I want an NL team in Dallas!
by The Ahmad on Aug 25, 2009 2:23 AM CDT
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How about that? What do you guys say to an NL team in Dallas. It would be similar to two teams in Chicago, New York, and LA. I vote taking one of the current teams in the NL not making enough money (Marlins come to mind) and building them a brand new stadium with a retractable roof in downtown Dallas. Dallas gets a team and the Rangers have a cross town rival. The fans and both clubs would love the competation. Think of the money that it would draw for the city and the teams. The bragging rights, etc. I would move them to the NL central and move the Rangers to the AL central. I would also move a few teams around as well into different divisions. I know it's a crazy idea, but I'm a fan of baseball and I'd love to see a second team in the metroplex.
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Yeah...
because our huge market is doing such a bang up job with the Rangers, we need another team in the market.
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by benmor78 on Aug 25, 2009 4:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In case you haven't heard
D/FW has been considered a “small market team” by all previous owners.
It probably makes more sense to add a 3rd team to NY than a 2nd team to D/FW.
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2009 6:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
isn't DFW the biggest or second biggest metroplex in the country
by blueballlefty on Aug 25, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFW
is the fourth largest metropolitan area in the nation. The problem is that in terms of baseball towns, it just isn’t one. unfortunately. The only thing I would say to this fanpost is that it is completely unreasonable to move the marlins now that they have a new stadium coming. I’d like to see another AL team in San Antonio and put them in the West
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Aug 25, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't work
would make more sinse for a San Antonio baseball club then a 2nd D/FW
by Ryan2907 on Aug 25, 2009 8:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
3rd team in NY
makes more sense than any other city getting a team.
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by t ball on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a NY team
that plays in jersey
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins are getting a new field
Dallas has shown in the past they will not pony up for a new stadium of any kind. The AAC is the exception to the rule and it just barely passed due to Ron Kirk. As stated above this market couldn’t handle two teams.
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by boomer1 on Aug 25, 2009 6:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
move another team to the NL Central, ala Florida…. giving the NL Central 7 teams. Move Rangers to AL Central giving West 3 teams. No.
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by SarasotaRanger on Aug 25, 2009 7:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
since Dallas fans are so loyal.
by rcreative on Aug 25, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dallas should get the rangers
and the new team can move into rbia
by awiley on Aug 25, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well that's some genius right there
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by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas
Doesn’t deserve the Rangers. If they couldn’t pony up for a new stadium for the Cowboys, what makes anyone think they’d do so for the Rangers?
Not to mention that the Rangers have always traditionally been Tarrant County/Fort Worth’s team.
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by RCCook on Aug 25, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
they are dallas’ team and they always will be. ft worth has the cats
by awiley on Aug 25, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas has the Roughriders
Actually when the Cats/Panthers were in the Texas League, Dallas had a team in the same league that changed names several times. The two teams eventually merged to become the Dallas Rangers who then later moved to Vancouver.
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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 25, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frisco has the Roughrider
Dallas is so completely run by jackasses they don’t deserve a baseball team.
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, could you expand on that a little?
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by Chase Irwin on Aug 25, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expanded version
“completely run by jackasses, past, present, and future”
There. I’ve done the Tarrant County real life superiority thing. Heh ….
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by Ed Coffin on Aug 26, 2009 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh jeez
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I guess that explains why the Star-Telegram always did a better job of covering the Rangers.
The Rangers have never been Dallas’ team. Dallas has been, and always will be, Cowboys first, second, and third.
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by RCCook on Aug 25, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true it's no wonder they're a small market team.
What’s North of Tarrant County? Nothing. What’s West of Tarrant County? Even more nothing. What’s South of Tarrant County? Nothing. Finally what is the population of Tarrant vs. Dallas Counties?
The only the reason the Rangers are doing as well as they are is because Dallas is to the East. If they were there to begin with, they’d have Collin and the populated part of Denton county directly to the north and Tarrant directly to the West.
As far as a stadium location, There’s a giant empty parcel on Industrial just south of Cadiz. Back when the Temple was built there was a warehouse there but it was empty.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tarrant county is in the top 20 most populous counties in the US
even if you surgically removed it and transplanted it to the frozen tundra, there’d be a big enough populace to sustain an ML team. having dallas nearby doesnt hurt, but i think the issue is more baseball just not having the rabi popularity across the entire metroplex that other sports and things do.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way...
…Tarrant county could support a baseball team all by itself out in some tundra. Not even if they won the world series every year. You have to draw from beyond your core area. That’s why Las Vegas won’t get a team anytime soon. There’s nothing around it. Same with San Antonio and Austin. You may say “look at the Reds”, but there’s a hell of a lot of people in Ohio.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
I’m from west of Tarrant County…
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by JBImaknee on Aug 25, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you know that you don't have many neighbors.
Weatherford just isn’t going to add a lot, you know?
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But my neighbors have more money
than most of the people in South Dallas who you are counting.
Really, if you were to pick an ideal location for RBiA to maximize local fan traffic, it’d be just north of the airport. That adds probably 10-15 minutes to those in west Fort Worth (where most of the $ is in FW), and cuts down on commutes from north Dallas (where most of the $ is in Dallas). Whereas downtown Dallas is not really that closer to the $ north of Dallas and further away from Fort Worth.
Downtown Dallas is kind of a dump (sorry, I know you live nearby – but I remember your post about how you can’t even find pizza)- unless you work there there is no real reason to go. Now, building a park downtown would probably be in Dallas’s interest to address this problem (aka many other cities in the past ten years), but as Cahill says they’d never get it together to do that.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Aug 25, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's money in South Dallas
It’s not just an enormous ghetto. A lot of Oak Cliff is pretty nice. There are country club estates with golf courses and all that shit not a mile from me. But the concentration of people…there’s no comparison.
Downtown’s not a dump. The people who do live here have money. And uptown there’s a lot more people with even more money.
I’d think the best place that the stadium could’ve been build would be Downtown Dallas, because it would be a great place with an awesome view. Great rail access (from Fort Worth, even). But I could settle on not North of the Airport but maybe to the East of it. Las Colinas.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine
that there is some fun weighted center of mass algorithm to run on where the center of population mass is in DFW. You know, the type that somehow throws the center of the US into western South Dakota because Alaska is sucking it up and to the west…
I’d imagine Las Colinas gets pretty close to it. Actually, the old Texas Stadium probably was right near there, especially back when it was built
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Aug 25, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with that scenario
is that it would require the mayor and city council of Dallas to pull their heads out of their asses long enough to get a baseball park built. Not a chance in hell.
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by DJCahill on Aug 26, 2009 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If DFW fans barely show up
to see a team thats in playoff contetnion, how do you expect them to be able to support 2 teams?? And honestly, I’m happy with Houston as a rival especially considering we’ll be better than them for a while to go…
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by hinduplaya on Aug 25, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fans barely showing up...
in Arlington.
That’s what you get when you build your baseball stadium in the Wasteland that is Arlington. They tried to satisfy two markets(Dallas & Fort Worth), and ended up satisfying neither.
Rangers draw an easy 30,000 a night if the stadium is in Dallas, or maybe even Frisco for that matter. Baseball is a “family” sport. Wanna hazard a guess where the heaviest concentration of families is in DFW is? Hello Collin County…
Yeah, so Dallas wouldn’t pony up and build a stadium. Hicks would have been better off paying for a higher percentage of the stadium up front to get it built in Dallas. He would have made more money in the long run. Simply building your stadium in any city that will pay for it is definitely sports management fail…
In more Hicks news, it was simply awesome to read his op-ed piece in support of Rick Perry. Hicks crediting Perry for Texas’ great business climate while simultaneously going broke was priceless. He may have been correct in his praise of Perry, it just makes it all the more ludicrous that Hick’s is failing at business.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In more Hicks news, it was simply awesome to read his op-ed piece in support of Rick Perry.
……in today’s DMN.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frisco?
Frisco was a cow pasture in 1994.
If you want to blame anyone for the stadium location, blame our former president & his ownership group, not Hicks. It’s not like the Rangers were going to move from a 5-year-old stadium when he bought the club.
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by RCCook on Aug 25, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frisco?
yup…
when accounting for the surrounding burbs in Collin Co, plus relative proximity to Denton Co. I have no doubt The Rangers could draw more fans in Frisco than Arlington. Oh well.
Good point regarding who owned the team at the time. I always blame Hicks, its like a gag reflex, it happens without thinking. The premise remains that while Dallas made a mistake in not getting the stadium built, the teams owner(s) made a bigger mistake when not considering future revenues to be gained by being in Dallas vs’s Arlington.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yes
because proximity to Denton is what makes all things great. Forget Ft Worth, Denton is where the Cheddar is.
by bushe on Aug 25, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you missed the greater point....
that Frisco would draw better than Arlington.
….like anyone could even know that.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine
the AAC, RBIA, and Cowboys stadium all within a mile of each other around where the AAC is currently located. Could have been one of the best sports areas in the nation….
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by Michael Cave on Aug 25, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are close to getting your wish
just 15 miles away
by bushe on Aug 25, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what im talking about
take out that fucking cici’s and put an AAC in there
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Baseball is used to be a “family” sport. Baseball has been an business expense account sport for quite a while now.
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regarding who attends games....
relative to the other big sports I would contend that baseball is more largely attended by families than the other sports.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been to way too many games
that reported decent attendance, and you saw a ghost town in the field boxes, because the corporate tickets were in a secretaries desk.
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by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so according to your logic..
the cowboys will suffer the same fate by moving to the “wasteland” of arlington. I dont think the location matters as much as running a shitty team out there for the past 40 years. I would put money on the fact that the rangers will see a huge increase in attendance next year. simply because we finally have a team worth watching.
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by coldskeet on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football is different
It is once a week. A football game is an “event.” There are only 8 of them a year that you’re going to attend. That’s part of the reason TV ratings are so much better for the NFL than for other sports…it is a one-day-a-week thing.
So having football farther out of the central population area is less of an issue.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas snobbery never fails to rear it's pompous head
It cracks me up when Dallasites try to bigtime FW and Arlington and all the surrounding burbs.
Note to Dallas: 2nd rate cities look silly when they thumb their noses at other 2nd rate cities.
Dallasite: Whenever you feel like experiencing a real city, Tarrantboy, head on over.
tarrantboy: Oh, did you move to Chicago or New York? Or Boston?
Dallasite: No man I…
tarrantboy: Oh I know, out west. San Fran? I’ve always wanted to see Frisco. Or LA? Seattle?
Dallasite: I still…
tarrantboy: Vegas baby?
tarrantboy: D.C.? Philly?
tarrantboy: The Big Easy?
dallasite: Only the best city in Texas…
tarrantboy: Austin?
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dallas is a Beta World City
…right along side DC and Boston. Fort Worth, as much as I love it, ain’t on that list at all. New Orleans certainly isn’t and neither is Las Vegas. Great for tourists maybe but they don’t even rise up to the level of 2nd Rate. Philadelphia and Seattle are Gamma World Cities. So they’re 3rd rate. Maybe Fort Worth would be 7th or 8th rate.
Not every city can stand with Moscow, London, Paris, and New York, but Dallas has a lot going for it.
Austin is fucking awesome but it’s not an important city unless you’re talking about music or the cesspool that is Texas politics.
And again I’m not a Dallas snob. I was born and raised in Fort Worth, actually. I’ll always consider it home. But there’s a reason I live in Dallas…that’s where the business is. That’s just a fact. I could move to Fort Worth but I’d just be driving here all the time.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas is equal to Boston and DC
Ahahaha. OK, Dustin.
The Philly comment is a funny one, too. And I didn’t even mention San Diego or Miami.
Dallas has cheap real estate, an excellent business climate, and great food going for it, among other things. And the reason Dallas has so much cheaper real estate than those other cities I listed? It is undoubtedly b/c those other cities are so much less desirable to live, right?
Big D has nothing else on any of those other cities I listed, and less culture than the Big F.
I think this comment best sums up the exaggerated self-importance of Dallas-fellaters like you and redshoe:
Not every city can stand with Moscow, London, Paris, and New York, but Dallas has a lot going for it.
Mmk. That’s like saying not every baller can stand with Ruth, Mays, Williams, and Mantle, but Toby Harrah has a lot going for him.
Get over yourselves.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas fellater?
I just live here. There are lots of things I dislike about it but anyone with any sense knows that Dallas is much more important as a city than Fort Worth is.
I didn’t come up with the World Cities thing. Go argue with them if you don’t like it.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point remains that attendance would be higher if the stadium were in Dallas.
the rest of your spew is nothing but the manifestation of an inferiority complex.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 27, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the attendance automatically be higher?
Dallas County has about 1/5 of the metro area population, why should we assume attendance would go up just because it’s there? More people from Dallas would go, but fewer people from Ft. Worth, Arlington, etc. would.
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by t ball on Aug 27, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its all
hypothetical. No way to know for sure…. but, do you think the Mavs’ have their current sellout streak rocking if they played in Arlington? I would hate to think of the Mav’s having to try to fill that joint if it were out there.
Take your pick, either city pays for your stadium to be built, in full…..where do you want it? Dallas, or Arlington? Where do YOU believe you would see a higher gate?
Granted, I’m kinda a Collin County snob….. visit a Mckinney Mickey D’s and you cant turn around without brushing back a 5 year old. I just think there are a TON of families in Collin County and being in Arlington leaves Collin damn near completely out of the mix in regards to draw. A Dallas stadium loses everything West of Arlington but more than makes up for that by bringing in bigger #’s from Collin.
Just my VERY UN-scientific humble opinion…..
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 27, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mavs sellout streak
they’ve been a very good team the last few years, they’d sellout in Arlington. It’s all about winning. Unless you build the ballpark in Sherman they’re going to come if the team is winning.
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by t ball on Aug 27, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you continue to
spiral into irrelevancy…
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The friendless loser has spoken!
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by Chase Irwin on Aug 26, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS all of this!
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
by BigGuns on Aug 25, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian nails it again
There is nothing distinctive about Dallas. Its just a generic big city, surrounded by generic suburbia, and if it has any distinction its being the home for a lot of generic restaurants. The plastic city on the Trinity.
I can’t imagine any traveler making Dallas an end destination.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 26, 2009 4:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a great place to raise a family, Dan!
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by Chase Irwin on Aug 26, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always wanted one of those furry-flying-dragon thins from the Neverending Story
and that’s only slightly less likely to happen
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thins = things
Lack of spell check on the mobile posting will be the death of me
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by Keynes on Aug 25, 2009 9:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Remember how much Hicks flipped out over the AirHogs?
Now try a mlb franchise.
by Sherman McCoy on Aug 25, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
where in downtown dallas do you want to build this thing? have you considered that adding a 31st team would almost surely necessitate adding a 32nd team as well? Who is going to pay for this stadium, cus I can all but guarantee you it won’t be the people of Dallas…im sorry but fantasies aside i dont think this is a good idea at all.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its actually a wonderful idea
and one that MLB would never go for.
IF Dallas, and say Cuban, could get a stadium built, in say Fair Park, there is no doubt that the new team would eventually outdraw The Rangers on a consistent basis. However, MLB has no interest in cannibalizing one of its franchises. The Rangers are a Tarrant Co. Turd, built right in the middle of two huge population centers, while residing in neither. Horrible, horrible planning.
Yes Arlington can and will work regarding the Cowboys. See 8 home games vs’s 81.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes precisely no sense.
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by ghtd36 on Aug 25, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
better idea...
new team in Dallas
Nolan buys Rangers and moves them to Austin.
Arlington residents spend their weekends at the Wax museum.
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by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas' leadership
is way too third rate for that to happen.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 25, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I think the people of Dallas would vote for the Stadium and get behind the team, but once all but one City Council member realizes it won’t be in their district they could not care less.
by Sherman McCoy on Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what happens to RBiA?
It sits unused after having existed for only 15 years?
Yeah. Ok.
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by Aquaman56 on Aug 25, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFW may be large population wise, but
Baseball wise no way, Texas in general is not a baseball state, football rules this state, we are lucky to have 2 baseball teams in the state, people barely support the 2 teams that are here now, a 2nd team in the metroplex would never work, there is only one other area of texas that someday may support another team and that is the San Antonio area, but that would likely be many years down the road.
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by TRFAN on Aug 25, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For a non-baseball state
…Texas sure does produce a hell of a lot of baseball players.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
the 2nd most populous state and has good weather most months for playing baseball, of course it does.
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by t ball on Aug 25, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those people have to play baseball
…and I assume if they’re doing that there’s interest in it. Football may be first, but there’s plenty of room for baseball here. Maybe not enough to support two MLB teams in DFW, but there are 6.3 million people living in DFW and that’s is way, way, way more than most MLB markets. The Rangers would draw well if they had any sense.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers will draw well
when they win. Dallas sports fans don’t support crappy teams except for the Cowboys.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most sports fans don't...
..it’s just the deranged lunatics who follow bad teams on internet sites day after day after…uhh, nevermind.
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by GhettoBear04 on Aug 25, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having sense would include putting together a winning team, of course.
In baseball winning will draw more support than losing. It doesn’t matter if it’s Dallas or not. KC is a baseball town and they don’t show up because the Royals are who they are.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well OK
the point is still the same. Win and they will show up to your games.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griping about the location of the stadium...
You think location is going to hurt the Cowboys with the Dallas crowd?
The Rangers don’t draw fans because they’ve sucked so badly for a damn decade. They wouldn’t draw 30K a night in the middle of June and July in Dallas either if the product were what it has been for the entire decade prior to this season… Dallas/Fort Worth is home to maybe the biggest bunch of bandwagon fans in the country… Nobody went to Mavs games until they started winning, and they were right in the heart of downtown…
The Rangers are only going to be a big draw if they’re winning consistently. Doesn’t matter if they put the stadium in Dallas, Frisco, Fort Worth or Burleson… If they’re winning, people will make the drive. If they aren’t, people won’t.
by N41D on Aug 25, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Again
Football is an event. Eight home games per year. Location doesn’t matter as much as said before. Part of the reason the Rangers don’t draw is because they have sucked for so long. That’s a big part. But when they were winning they should have been selling out like the Jake. Hell, look at what Baltimore did and in the nineties just as now that was a hellhole city in sharp decline. Not that CLE is any jewel.
by Black Francis on Aug 25, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers' attendance rankings FWIW
01 – 11th
02 – 15th
03 – 18th
04 – 13th
05 – 15th
06 – 16th
07 – 17th
08 – 25th
09 – 18th
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Aug 25, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and the NHL should do the same.
by robert_d_wilfong on Aug 25, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not before I get a first team in Salt Lake.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 25, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NL team in DFW
Ummm, not so much.
The closest DFW ever got and ever will get to landing a NL team was back when there was discussion on moving the Rangers to the NL Central during realignment. But the dumbass Ranger’s brass refused, and the Rangers got stuck with West Coast teams and 9pm start times, while the Brewers go to the NL and get great division rivals in the Cubs, Cardinals, Reds, Pirates, and Astros. How great would that be if the Rangers were in the NL Central?
And why all the hating on Arlington and RBIA? If the stadium was in Dallas, I do not think it would draw significantly more. Everybody says more people live in Dallas Co. But everything south of downtown is a pit. And Frisco? Please. That is more out of the way than Arlington. If it was built today, I might concede Southlake or Grapevine, but at the time, Arlington was the right choice.
Wild Card first place Texas Rangers!
by chadero on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad the Rangers didn't go to the N.L.
N.L. sucks.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DH
I just do not like the DH. Padilla would not have been as likely to throw at batters, if he knew he had to step into the box.
Wild Card first place Texas Rangers!
by chadero on Aug 25, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate watching pitchers look like idiots swinging the bat
I don’t want to pay to watch an automatic out every time through the lineup or 5 sac bunts per game.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
One of the most frustrating things in life is seeing a pitcher come up with the bases loaded in the second inning.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 25, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers used to hit OK way back in the day
It wasn’t until they didn’t have to hit, that they got so bad. Also, that is what pinch hitters are for later in the game.
Wild Card first place Texas Rangers!
by chadero on Aug 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we aren't back in the day anymore
Time travel would be sweet though, good idea.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and quarterbacks made for pretty good safteys back in the day too
should we make everyone in the NFL play both ways?
exploding highfive
by sarnold on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point
Kind of nice when you don’t have to deal w/ NYY/Bos every year in the playoffs.
by Sherman McCoy on Aug 25, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone
so against 9 pm start times?
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by studcrackers on Aug 25, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real Jobs
It was great in college, but when you have to get up at 6am, going to sleep at 12:30 is a beating. I can do it for a night or 2, but when there are 3 games in Oakland, then 3 games in LA, I end up only watching the first couple of innings before I fall asleep for most of them.
I am looking forward to the 6pm start time tonight against the Yankees.
Wild Card first place Texas Rangers!
by chadero on Aug 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
my dad gets up that same time and he enjoys them as much as me
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by studcrackers on Aug 25, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bit.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 25, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to comment that I totally Agree
With the folks that say the stadium should have been in Dallas. I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to put a competing team in the Metroplex – it would destroy the Rangers. That said, in order to be a big market team, you need an enormous amount of season ticket holders. I live in Dallas and occasionally make trips out to Arlington but I would never consider being a season ticket holder out there. Not when I frequently have to work in Plano or Frisco and I’m looking at an hour+ drive to the ballpark after work. I’m sorry but no one wants to do that. If the stadium had been somewhere around the AAC – there would be an enormous number of affluent people in the immediate area that could easily attend games. It would be within 5 minutes of Uptown, Highland Park, Downtown, and Oak Cliff (it does have some nice areas). Plus, people forget that you don’t have to be rich to attend a ballgame. It’s not all about money – a lot of it is about ease of access. And even people that couldn’t afford season tickets can still make some games at $10 a ticket. Not to mention, it would be much easier to get the business community there due to the proximity to nearby businesses. I have no doubt that the franchise would be much more successful.
For those that are naysayers, consider the Mavericks attendance compared to the rest of the NBA (4th overall):
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance
Also consider the population density of the DFW area:
http://www.nctcog.org/ris/census/searchcounty-m.asp
JMO
by Dfarth on Aug 25, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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