Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff
Quiet morning this morning.
Anthony Andro has a story about the impact Marlon Byrd has had on the Rangers.
Michael Young has been named the A.L. Player of the Week.
The Ranger website has a story about Rockies manager Jim Tracy keeping up with his son, Ranger minor leaguer Chad Tracy.
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i get a little uneasy
when i see ‘andro’ and ‘marlon byrd’ in the same sentence…
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions
20+ HR and 50+ doubles this year
if that doesn’t say “MarlonByrdConteAndro” I don’t know what does…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
I forget exactly where it was on the series of tubes, but someone a while back had a good take on the steroid issue talking about the three times a baseball player has the most to gain by going the PED route.
The difference between being a shuttle-riding AAAA player and being a big league regular is huge in terms of dollars, even if you never make it “big” so to speak.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He's about to become Exhibit 1B for me...
Exhibit 1A being GMJ. I’m sure there are millions of others.
How much does a AAA player make?
$60K? The ML minimum is $400K. Even is they get dumped before thier first arb year, they will make ~$1.2M.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Plus you get put in the MLB pension plan
Not sure what the minimum requirements are, but if you can sneak in a few years of service time, you’re probably set on at least being able to have a roof over your head.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
1 day=full pension
Huge incentive.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Errr... I didn't think it worked like that at all.
I remember reading an article about some nomad good-faced backup MIF type who was being lauded by some MSM baseball writer for what a good person he was for retiring rather than trying to force his way onto some major league roster for the 3 more weeks of big league service time it would take him qualify for the full pension.
But I readily admit I’m no expert on this subject.
You could be right.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Pension
This reputable website says 43 days (LINK)
I think what everyone is thinking of is benefits, but my google-fu isn’t strong today and I can’t find anything.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, now it becomes clearer
Baseball: MLB was the first pro sport to set up a pension (1947). It originally offered $100/mo depending on the number of years played. The original requirement was 5 years service time, then it was reduced to 43 days for a full pension (1 day for medical). There are even players who have been called up to the big leagues, sat the bench for a few weeks, never got in a game, and will still receive a pension (The plan only requires the player to be on the roster, not appear in any games). Sweet Deal!!! The minimum a player will receive is $1,000/mo, and it maxes out at $180,000 for players with 10+ years service time. Pensions begin at age 62.
I had remembered the one day proviso from previous research, but I don’t have a ton of time today to dig deeper.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I remember a couple years ago when we called Chad Allen I believe up so he could get the medical benefit because his wife was having a baby or something
I thought that was a real nice gesture on the Rangers part
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i guess AJM's too busy
stoking the fires of marital dissatisfaction to write anything more extensive
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Bad economy
good for divorce lawyers.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
It's good for criminal defense lawyers and divorce lawyers.
Also, for whatever reason, those lawyers seem to do really well during Republican administrations.
That's ENTIRELY incorrect
A bad economy creates work for bankruptcy lawyers and litigators, but the corporate, M&A, real estate, and other associated attorneys get hammered as hard as their clients.
If a bad economy was good for lawyers, the big firms wouldn’t have been in complete blood bath mode, firing associates, rescinding offers, and canceling clerkships.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Yep
On the other hand, a good economy usually means less litigation. That’s part of why these big firms diversify.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Hence the reason you see very few thriving and growing large litigation-only firms these days
Tort reform sort of showed those guys that lack of practice diversification could be a very, very bad thing.
I don’t think it’s per se bad for a firm to focus on a narrow area of law, but you had better make sure that area of law is recession-proof and not subject to the whims of the Texas Legislature.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
It's ironic.
We litigate pretty consistently all the time. Difference is – in the last year, not as many people are paying their bills.
by FuturePants on Aug 25, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Tell me about it
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
wouldn't it seem reasonable though
that more frivolous lawsuits arise in times of economic success?
I guess overall less litigation but more of the “I see this company doing very well, so I’m going to try to get a slice of that pie”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not too much in my opinion
Either a person is litigious or they’re not. I’ve noticed that in employment matters the most. Once some people get paid to go away they’ll just keep filing claims against all subsequent employers, be it discrimination, wage and hour, etc.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
I still have a decent amount of litigation (although I'm one of the primary litigators in the firm)
But I’m also doing more creditor-bankruptcy representation. That’s the nice thing about working for a medium-sized (for Wyoming) firm. We can shift easily to where the work is. It’s not a DLA Piper situation where you basically lay off a crap load of people (mostly in the real estate division). Also, Wyoming hasn’t been affected by the economy too bad.
I have noticed some of the normal clients (small and gigantic) trying to deal with disputes in house and just calling me for advice versus handling the entire matter.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
From what I understand...
a bad economy is bad for divorce lawyers, due to how expensive it is to get divorced.
Also, couples with only 1 means of income probably won’t be splitting until the job market is better.
It is usually counter-cyclical
Bad economy means more people unhappy means more people getting divorced.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
have you ever given the following advice:
“It would be cheaper to keep her” ?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
The best decision is to not get married.
Cheapest, at least.
by FuturePants on Aug 25, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
but it seems to be one of those mistakes that everybody must make on their own, no amount of warnings ever seems to do the trick. Speaking from experience here.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Two partners at my firm both say that the best day of their lives was when their divorce went final.
It’s extreme!
by FuturePants on Aug 25, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
that's great - and it rhymes
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever calculated for your clients
how many $300 an hour hookers they could have bought instead of getting married?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
That's an excellent point!!!
People are too quick to jump to marriage a lot of the time. Every guy should experience a $300 hooker at least once, $1000 one if feasible.
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Aug 25, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
OM5T
I was watching the Tigers/Angels last night and did anyone else see Laird get into a shouting (and almost shoving) match with Verlander in the middle of the 6th (after Verlander was pulled)? Why does Laird get into fights with his pitchers? What a douche.
For some reason, this doesn't surprise me.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Aug 25, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Verlander pulled the plug on his mini-fridge?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There certainly are a lot of stories
by beat writers and bloggers indicating that Byrd is a core member of the team.
I wonder if we should expect him next year?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I think they'd like him back
On the other hand, Eric Byrnes, who is a very similar player to Byrd, got a 3 year, $30 million deal from the D-Backs, and there’s no way the Rangers do that.
This is Byrd’s one chance to cash in, and I expect he’s going to be looking for 3-4 years at $6 million or so.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
If the OF free agent market hasn't changed since last winter
does he get a multiyear offer?
I think he will, but considering his age and his peripherals being down this year I’m not positive.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Aug 25, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
This year
he shows up tied as the 10th best CF in baseball in terms of WAR on fangraphs. He has consistently been in the top half of CFs in baseball since being a Ranger.
I think Adam’s numbers seem pretty reasonable and someone will grab him. Its just one of those positions thats tough to fill.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
B
Type B. Here is a best guess at the possible rankings.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 25, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
quick gander and Ichiro is a B also
Wow….
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Aug 25, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we'll offer him arb. and he'll decline
So next year we can end up with two 1st round picks and 1 suppl. pick.
We’re definitely going to end up drafting some reaches because there’s no way they’ll pay top dollar for all 3 spots.
Money saved from this year in use?
New owners drafting high end high school arms thinking about continuing the DYNASTY past 2015? tehe
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Aug 25, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
there's no way we offer anything close to that, is there?
I could see 2 years at $5 million with a 3rd option year, and I still wouldn’t want to do that, especially if it meant no Sheets.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather see us take a pass on both those guys and go after Chapman.
Depending on what Sheets costs, though.
I think he’s too risky to sink more than 2 or 3mm guaranteed into a one year deal.
There are plenty of other risky types you could bring in on one year deals if that’s the route you wanna go to add rotation depth for ’10.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Chapman?
It’s a long day at work here, my baseball brain isn’t really on…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Cuban defector.
Great read about him here.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
that's right I saw that on TV
that guy’s pretty awesome. What’re the chances – 75% he’s a Yankee, and we’re a smaller chance of the remaining 25%, so maybe about 2% chance we get a hold of him? What if we promised him an immediate rotation slot?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know why the Yanks would be the 75% front runners.
IMO, the chances of us being the ones to haul him are pretty remote given our current financial situation/ownership clusterfuck.
I’d love to see us eschew the mediocre veteran route this Winter and blow our wad on getting Chapman inked, but I don’t see it as much of a possibility.
But the Yanks as the uncontested frontrunners… I don’t see it. Lots of teams are gonna be in on this guy.
The White Sox have been very aggressive in going after Cubans under Williams (The Hobgoblin, Viciedo, etc), the Red Sox have tons of cash and have gone the Cuban route before (that SS from earlier this summer who’s name I can’t recall and don’t feel like googling), the Cubs should be flush with cash once their ownership flips, the Angels have a ton of money coming free and have made improving their minor league talent pool a priority, the M’s have tons of cahs coming off the books and are looking to acquire young talent, etc, etc, etc…
I could see him going to any number of teams, honestly.
My guess is he signs a ML contract around 5/35 or so, but these things are ridiculously hard to predict.
Might be much more, might be much less.
And all that assumes he’s actually 21, which I think there’s sufficient proof that he is, but who knows.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
not to mention the mets
if santana figures to be out long term
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Out for the season, just bone chips
If that’s a “just”.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
oh i hadnt heard that
cool. i have him in a keeper league :)
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Aren't they supposed to be really hurting financially right now?
Not to mention the human fail that is Omar Minaya.
That being said, the Mets are a big market team who have never shied away from spending big dollars, even if not usually in the player development arena. They’re definitely in that team photo somewhere, along with a bunch of other teams.
Proving my point: There are tons of potential landing spots for Chapman other than the big bad Yanks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ive heard big figures thrown around for chapman
but if its around the 5/35 you suggested i could see them being players. bet theyd like to have that perez money back though.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a hard time seeing how anyone could pay more than, say, 6/50 for him given his rawness and the uncertainty surrounding him.
But this is a pretty weak FA market overall and plenty of teams have significant dollars coming off the books this Winter, so the bidding very well could go stratospheric very quickly.
The kid is a huge, huge talent.
There’s not really much precedent for a 21 year old lefty with a huge athletic projectable frame and present 100mph heat hitting the FA market.
I suppose you could go with Dice-K, but they are very different situations in a ton of ways.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Thw Wilpons got slaughtered
by that geriatric swindler, Madoff….for around 360mil, IIRC.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
ChiSox = my guess
I think having Cuban players around is a pretty big deal.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Supposedly their Peavy/Rios acquisitions
took them out of the running. I guess we’ll see, this kind of player is definitely up their alley.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, that's a ton of money they just took on.
Gun to my head I’d say Boston.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I could see him wanting to play in NYC
and I could see them having the money to pay him. Other than that, I have no basis.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cuban pitcher who recently defected
by walking out of his hotel.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Andruw Jones
might get cut? According to Jamey. If true, I’ll be a very happy man. First Eddie, now this?
Jamey guesses
a cut, I’m guessing that AJs Hammy and/or knees will be very painful and require a DL trip.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I said this yesterday and I think it bears repeating...
…I wish certain people (especially media personnel) would stop overvaluing Byrd. He is a nice contibutor on a contending team, but getting the same contributions from pre-arb players is why you build your farm system. Byrd is not the type of player that you give a multi-year 8-figure deal to.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Aug 25, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
you're right
but after the year he’s having and the value he brings to the team, it’s just so hard to imagine what’s going to happen
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Byrd has been a great value for the Rangers
They will have spend about $5M total on him for 3 years, great acquisition. But it would be foolish to resign him and expect to continue to get value. Cheaper options will be available and/or that money could be better spent elsewhere.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Hinske?
Cheaper options will be available
What would Hinske cost?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
hinksie
corner OF guy no matter how you slice it
he isnt going to get 3b reps w/ FOTF here, so you are going to compete him vs cruz and hammy for corner OF play? or vs davis/smoak/whoever else for DH play?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Outside the Organization
Do the Rangers really need to turn to the free agent market to fill their 4th OF position? Between Boggs/Murphy, the team is set.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 25, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I don't get
You go with Hamilton, Borbon and Cruz next season, with Murphy as your 4th outfielder, and potentially Boggs as your 5th outfielder.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Gagree.
A Ham/Borbon/Cruz/Murphy/Boggs outfielder corps is just fine, fwiw imho btw.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
and hope nobody gets hurt
Golson is the 6th OF then ???
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Gentry
looks like he is likely to be a roster casualty this winter.
Although I think he’d be a better keep than Boggs.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
I don't think anyone uses a 25 man roster spot all season on him
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
probably right
but a plus defensive CF w/ a .385 OBP and 48 out of 53 sb seems like the type that someone would certainly try.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
An NL team would take a chance on him probably
Not much power, but good speed and defense combination.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He's repeating AA, though.
He might go, but it wouldn’t be a huge, huge loss if he did.
I don’t know that he’d hit a whole lot better than Golson next year at the big league level.
They’re both plus CF’ers with great speed and questions as to the bat.
I think I might rather have Gentry given his SB prowess and better chance to post a decent OBP, but Golson is apparently pretty darn good with the glove as well and he’s plenty fast.
It’s not like we’re talking abot future all-stars here.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
He is someone who
a team might take in the Rule 5 draft and bring to ST just to get a closer look. They then can keep him all year, work out a trade or send him back to Texas.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
why?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Guess I just like what i've seen from Boggs
Seems like a player who could settle in as at least a 4th/5th OF’er in the ML for a long time.
easily
if healthy, I think he could fill that role for a while here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Boggs
At the major league level, Boggs has shown that he can get on base. Hardball Times had Boggs with the third best arm for all LF’ers in 2008. Here is another article from HBT about a better way to calculate expected BABIP (xBABIP); as such, this is a more sophisticated way to deter if a player was lucky/unlucky. Boggs topped the 2008 list for most unlucky hitters based on the difference in BABIP and xBABIP. So there is a lot of potential for Boggs, who can already draw a walk and play exceptional defense (great range too).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 25, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I've always liked Boggs
But I’m worried that the shoulder injury could be chronic, as it’s been lingering around for a couple years now. He is also going to be 27 next year and his power seems to have disappeared.
I don’t have a problem with him on the 40, just think that Gentry’s OBP, CF defense, baserunning, good health, and youth might give him the edge if it came down to one or the other.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Is he having surgery on his shoulder after the season?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
he's got some pop, too
if he ever catches fire in the majors, I think he could play Marlon Byrd ball
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Murphy is useless as a fourth outfielder
With Hamilton, Borbon, and Cruz, Murphy won’t play much at all. Borbon will start against all righties, and Hamilton and Cruz are (or should be) full time players. Boggs should at least see some time replacing Borbon against lefties.
Murphy
is useless as a fourth outfielder.
Fixed.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Agreed, but on this team
Murphy is useless as a fourth outfielder
What do you do with a player who (a) isn’t good enough offensively to play everyday, (b) has little defensive value, and © wouldn’t have a place to play even if he was good enough to overcome (a) and (b)?
BS
You can’t copyright the word “and”.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Three words: The. Good. Face.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget...
…he’s soooooooo white, soooooooo Baylor-y, and wears his his pants sooooooo old-school-y
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Aug 25, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
You’ve already got option here, Hamilton, Cruz, Murphy, Borbon, Golson, Boggs, Gentry even, and at some point next year maybe Moreland. If the team goes outside for an OF it should be for a huge upgrade, not an also ran to displace one of these internal options.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
CF
Apparently the team is uncomfortable playing Borbon in CF, and everyone thinks it is too hard on Hambone to play there everyday. So do we just punt defense in CF, or stomach the risk involved w/ putting Hamilton there everyday, or do we need a CF contingency plan?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
I seriously doubt
they are permanently uncomfortable with Borbon in CF, however they feel about it right this minute.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Yeah
I suspect he’ll be the starting CF on Opening Day, 2010.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I haven't read into anything - why do they think he's bad in CF?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't.
They are comfortable with their CF options right now and so they’re just easing him into the position at the big league level.
Word is they want him to work on perfecting his reads and jumps and have him working hard pre-games and getting extra practice with Pettis.
Here’s a good short little article on it if you missed it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for squashing that thought
I had argued this point a few days ago.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I simply couldn't understand how he couldn't be the CF
of the future here…how anybody could say something like that
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
All excellent points
except nobody answered the question.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Again I say
there is no free agent named Hinske and I cannot imagine why you would trade for the Hinske that is already signed to a too large contract.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I'm still thinking Ordonez
He seems ideal for a reclamation project. Plus, if he doesn’t work out, the team can just bring up Smoak in May. Of course, if we went with Ordonez, it’d be important for a guy like Murphy to learn to backup 1b (with Davis being the only true 1b on the roster).
Outfield: Cruz, Hamilton, Borbon, Boggs (Murphy, Ordonez)
DH/1b: Davis, Ordonez, Murphy
Infield: Kinsler, Andrus, Young, Vizquel (or the like)
Catcher: Salty, Teagarden
AAA: Smoak, Ramirez, Moreland, etc.
what about Thome, instead of Ordonez?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Thome has a higher OPS over the last 3 years
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Last year was a down year
The year prior .950 OPS.
He got off to slow start this year dealing with injuries, but I think was he has done since June 9th, .335/.372/.571, is more indicative of what he is capable of as a full-time DH.
He has a few really good years left in him at DH, I would bet on it.
I could get on board with this.
But the price’d have to be right.
He can’t play the field anymore (he was bad before, now he’d just be turrible even if healthy) and we have a cheap internal option at DH assuming Smoak and Davis are both good to go next season… though hopefully we’ll have the sense to Longoria the fuck out of Smoak first.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless the team is ready to commit to Cruz as a cleanup hitter, then Ordonez makes more sense
The team is always looking for a right-handed power hitter. Plus, although I have no evidence to back this up, I’m guessing that (a) Rudy and Ordonez would work well together and (b) Ordonez can regain his power stroke in Texas.
that would be pretty damn awesome, I love that guy
except it would mean no Smoak/Davis platoon at 1B/DH with room for Max if he bounces back, but I’m cherry picking here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Ordonez
Is his option with the Tigers definitely not going to vest…?
I thought he was right on top of that games-played/PA incentive.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Aug 25, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right. Damn.
2010: $15 million club option w/$3 million buyout, 2011: $15 million club option. Both option years guaranteed w/135 starts or 540 PA in ’09 or 270 starts or 1,080 PA between ’08 and ’09, 2010 option increases to $18 million under those circumstances.
Last year Ordonez had 146 games and 623 PA. This year, he’s at 98 games and 394 PA. In order for his option to vest, he needs either 26 starts or 63 PA. I’m guessing he reaches that number…
And if they didn’t play him enough there might be grounds for the union to bitch…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Aug 25, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
i think they already did when the tiggers sat him for a week or two earlier this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Meh.
I think the Tigers could have made a very convincing case for platooning Mags after his horrid first half. (.260/.330/.343).
Plus he’s very quickly fading into one of those “Crush lefties, flail against righties” types that lots of aging sluggers turn into. (.847 vs. .693 on the season.)
It’s not like they’d be benching a slugger or something.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
so pairing him with Rudy isn't the best idea?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 25, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Might not help his lefty/right splits
But Rudy would probably help Ordonez start hitting for power again.
No LORPs. We need more BORPs.
We’re much better with BORPs.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
heh
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Captain Obvious checking in
Critical 6 games.
3 v MF Yankees with Nips getting one of the starts so that is an automatic loss.
3 v pesky Twins and I wanna say the Rangers are 6-19 in their last 25 dome games.
What keeps getting lost in bringing up CDavis is how this team is going to do v LH pitching with his bat in the line-up and we get two games v LH’s besides the Nip start to navigate as well.
Give me a 2-4 option the rest of this trip way and I’d take it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Nobody can be any worse vs. anyone than Blalock.
Fixed!
by FuturePants on Aug 25, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
CDavis hit .143 with a .491 OPS v LH pitching.
Don’t know what Blalock did v LH pitching the last two months but it was much better than Davis did the first three months of the season.
The 6-19 in dome games is something I thought I read.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
x

"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Aug 25, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tears. They taste so sweet.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Comparison
Blalock hit .214 with a .685 OPS this yr. .230 and .660 OPS for his career. So thus far this yr he has actually exceeded his past performance.
You quoted Davis’ numbers this yr. Thus far for his career he is at .215 and .715 OPS even with the terrible yr this yr. He hit .279 with a .916 OPS last yr (actually better than against righties). In AAA he hit .260 with a .756 OPS. So while he doesnt admittedly murder lefties he will most defnitely be an upgrade. I believe his first half this yr was an anomaly. We will see…
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Aug 25, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
What Davis did in 2008 v LHs
doesn’t really matter when you are facing LH pitching in 2009.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
The exact argument used against Blacock every single time you brought up his 2008 numbers against lefties
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So what hank did in 2008 doesn't matter either right?
Cause I know you’ve trumpetted that argument around a few dozen times
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Then why did you always bring up Blalock's past numbers?
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Aug 25, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I have watched a lot of major league baseball
and it’s nothing new to see high strikeout batters who basically do nothing but hit HR’s.
Baseball history is dotted with those kinds of players. You see them all the time but usually not for long if they can’t get on base.
I haven’t anybody in the last 40 years of MLB who was allowed to suck that big of a dick for as long as Chris Davis was allowed to do the first three months of this season.
A .256 OBP with 114 Ks in only 277 plate appearances (within those pa’s, a .143/.491 OPS v LHs) appears to have trumped all. Right now, we’re hoping against all evidence presented to us this year that Chris Davis can suddenly hit LH pitching.
Hope (vomit blood).
I hope (more vomiting) this works out and the team plays .600 ball the rest of the way (which would justify the move) but I don’t of anybody who was that bad for that long who pulled out of it the next year muchless the current year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
should read -
“don’t know of anybody who was that bad for that long who pulled out of it the next year muchless the current year.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
JW
.256 obp, 114 K, 277 PA
vs
.274 obp, 94 k, 430 PA
neither is very good…
to quote one of my friends, its like saying its better to be stabbed to death than killed by someone with a bat. either way you lose
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop trying to argue with JW. I'll give you a hint...

The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
disgusting, but funny
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
lol
I’ve never seen that one before
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Probably because
you were the catcher when it happened to you, gdawg.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
OHHHHH BURN!!!!!
Now try it again, but without Blalock’s balls in your mouth
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Aug 25, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ko king
I don’t have access to what Hank F hit v LH pitching since the glorious night in July.
I wanna say Hank F’s OPS v LH pitching was in the low .500s and he’s somewhere around .680 v LH’s now so he must done okay. He wasn’t getting on base but he was hitting with some pop. Far more importantly, the team wasn’t impotent when the opposing team threw a LH pitcher at us.
If Davis plays every day v LH pitching and replicates his performance of earlier this year, we’re F’d and can kiss the playoff berth goodbye. Throughout June, teams seemed to manipulate their rotations so we saw as many LH starters as we could and the results were terrible.
What destroys the order is that Nelson Cruz does not hit LH pitching. He’s at .202 for the year and .231 for his career. The .231 is buoyed by what he did last year in September when he was out of this world v everybody.
This year he’s reverted to what he’s always done v LH pitching – suck.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
you want to say 6-19 in domes?
What does that even mean? You want to say it?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Really it means
he likes to pretend he has this info in his head, he didn’t even have to look it up ‘cause he’s such a baseball genius.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
In case you missed it
Nippert is having a great season with a a 7.5 K/9 and manageable 3.5 BB/9 with an average HR rate. As usual, your timing in bashing a player is pretty awful
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
can i just say
that the newbergs emails comparing holland to halladay are getting kind of annoying
i mean…clearly the fact that halladay has an era of 4.40 since july 29th means he is no good (since his career era, is 3.47 spread out over almost 2000 IP) — beyond that in those six starts he has gone 7, 9, 8, 8, 5, 6 (and his last 2 starts are his shortest or second shortest IP in a start all year – in 25 starts, discounting the one where he got hurt)
i know we are supposed to be happy about hollands last 5-6 starts because obviously halladay has sucked it up in his last 6 starts — which is exactly what he had done if he was a ranger…right?
fwiw in his last 15 starts he has gone less than 7 innings 4 times, 2x in his last 2 starts, once when he was hurt and once in his first game back from being hurt (he allowed 3 ER in 9 innings between his other 2 starts of less than 7 innings)
now dont get me wrong, i love holland and im glad we didnt trade him for halladay, but he has a total of 3 7 inning starts in his career. to say that he is better for this team, right now, for the 2009 strech than halladay is not something that i, nor any other rational baseball fan, should believe. but we (newberg) shouldnt be acting like holland > halladay for the rest of this year, hands down…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
I think it is very on point
I, for one, argued that there is a decent chance that Halladay would be subpar or get injured between the deadline and playoffs. And, I got my ass chewed for arguing that Halladay is anything other than an automatic win every start.
And we all agreed that if we traded substantial parts for Halladay and didn’t make the playoffs this season, the trade would be a momentous failure.
Newberg’s comparison just goes to show how right JD was in refusing to trade as much as JP wanted.
automatic win, no
is he a good bet to give the rangers 7 innings quite often? yes
is he a good bet to have an about 3.5 era over the year? yes
is he a good bet to be better than holland over the next year and a half? yes
would the rangers be more likely to make the playoffs with halladay instead of holland? yes
equally long term (say 5 years) is it better to have holland? yes (cost is only one reason)
did i want to move halladay for holland? i wouldnt be opposed to it but im glad we didnt (shows the team is sticking to the plan)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
how are those gambles that would have failed
so far he has pitched 7+ innings in 21 of 24 starts. in the AL east. for the blue jays
how is it a gamble to predict that he will throw about 7 innings in his starts the rest of the year (average), that he will have a 3.5 era for the rest of the year (career average and .5 runs above his current ERA), and that he is a “good bet” to be better than holland over the next 1.5 years?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
All that is important is how he performs after the trade
your stats show why it may have been more likely than not that he do all those things, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are gambling that he will continue to do them…
halladay has his worst 6 game strech of 2009
holland has his best 6 game strech of 2009
your bet for the rest of this year is that holland will stay at his best and halladay will stay at his worst?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't change the fact that Halladay, at this point
will most likely not have netted us any wins over Holland… let alone Holland and a group of other players, like Chris Davis
Therefore, the trade would have been a waste of prospects, and would have made the team worse (under the obviously-huge assumption that he would have pitched the same for us as he has for TOR).
And I agree with Trickman, I’m just showing you that it WOULD have been a terrible, terrible trade with everything we know, NOW
really?
you think that holland=halladay over the rest of this year and all of next year
this is in a vac. where its only holland for halladay — like i said other players change everything. some ppl/fans just seem to think that holland>halladay over the next year and a half and that boggles my mind
and to say it would have been a horrible trade is stupid
halladays last 6 starts:
@ SEA
vs NYY
vs BAL
@ TBR
vs BOS
@ TBR
holland last 6 starts:
vs SEA
@ OAK
@ LAA
vs BOS
vs MIN
halladay went less than 7 innings 2x in those starts
halladay went 9 innings once
went 8 innings 2x
went 7 innings once
holland went more than 7 innings 2x in those starts
holland didnt make it into the sixth inning 2x in those starts
holland threw more than 7 innings 2x in those starts
halladay faced harder teams and went further into the game
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Alright
a) i’m not considering next season at all, as we can always trade for him over the off-season if we still deem that it is worth it
b) You’re misstating my point. I’m saying, that Halladay is giving you proof that a pitcher’s starts are unpredictable, regardless of how good they are, and we should not have even considered giving up our all our prospects for this reason, imo, when we have a major up-hill battle to the playoffs as it is
Why use Halladay's performances from July 29 to date?
What do those performances really have to do with your argument?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
It easily allows one to see the hypothetical
What if we had traded Holland + 4 others for Halladay on July 29th AND
1) Halladay had gone 2 – 4 with a 4.5 ERA and
2) Holland had gone 4 – 1 with a 1.9 ERA (or w/e)
How much would we regret this trade?
Except now, posters can’t scoff at the notion that Halladay would EVER pitch anything less than a shutout victory
But we don't know what Halladay would have done with Texas.
This sort of counterfactual doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
The key point is that Holland has pitched so well since the deadline that no matter how well Halladay might’ve pitched if a trade had gone through, it wouldn’t have been a profitable deal for the Rangers this season, so far.
And if you believe Holland’s going to be even better next season, then you could argue the same for 2010.
But a six-game stretch doesn’t prove anything about Halladay or Holland.
If the whole point of the argument is to point out that Halladay is fallible, then fine ~ but there seems to be more going on here than that.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
were kind of saying the same thing
holland has done better than anyone would have expected his last six starts for the rangers
halladay has been fairly close to his overall stats for 2009 his last six starts (other than his ER)
But a six-game stretch doesn’t prove anything about Halladay or Holland.
you summed up what i wanted to say in one sentence. bravo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't agree that Holland's done better than anyone
could have expected, or that Halladay’s performances over his last six starts are representative of his 2009 season.
So I’m not sure that we’re kind of saying the same thing…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
ok lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
that is the time length newberg is using
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm aware.
I’d ask Jamey the same question.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
since the trade deadline i think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I get that.
What I’m less clear on is why folks feel Halladay’s performance with the Jays in those six starts is any sort of basis to judge the trade counterfactual.
If Holland had also stunk things up over his six corresponding starts, for example, would that have changed anyone’s mind about the value of the hypothetical trade?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Its all to show how Halladay isn't guaranteed to be perfect
And would definitely not be worth the price tag JP Riccardi wanted or even the lesser one that the Rangers were offering
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Again, if that's all it is, that's cool.
I’m surprised people needed to be reminded that Halladay’s not infallible, but maybe I shouldn’t be.
In some of the arguments in this thread, though, I’m not sure I’m not seeing serious comparisons of Halladay and Holland drawn from a paired, six-game sample, and counterfactuals drawn from that comparison. That also surprised me (though maybe it shouldn’t, either).
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Lemme get your position straight
are you saying:
a) That you wish we had traded Holland + 3/4/5 prospects for Halladay?
my position
that for newberg or anyone else to say that holland > halladay for the rest of this year is foolish.
my position is that
a six-game stretch doesn’t prove anything about Halladay or Holland.
that we didnt already know (holland could be good, but hadnt shown it in his stats — halladay is consistant and has ~2000 innings to see what he is)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He is consistent
But he is still subject to poor stretches.
Halladay isn’t immune to variance, he simply shows less than most pitchers. I think that’s what’s at issue here is that he has shown a particularly unlucky stretch, which confirms to certain naysayers that Halladay can have bad days while Holland can have good days too.
right
and hollland has had his best six game strech of 2009 while halladay has had his worse (ERA wise) of his 2009
no halladay wasnt a guaranteed win every time out but he is pretty much a guaranteed 6 innings 10+ GB, >2 HR guy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
They're simply showing the hindsight review.
Luckly for us, Holland has done better than expected and has happened to do better than Halladay.
Now… how much of that has been luck on Holland’s part or unluck on Halladay’s part is a tough question.
Would Halladay have done just as well against the same lineups with the same defense as Holland did? Who knows.
But, for Rangers fans that were upset about not trading for Halladay — this gives you a quick comparison that says that it was a good idea not to make the trade.
Would Halladay have done just as well against the same lineups with the same defense as Holland did? Who knows
this is more my point
people act like it was a great no deal because halladay is doing "shitty’ (4.4 era) right now and having his worst 6 start strech vs holland having his best 6 start strech
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
A tangential point:
The Jays have given up an unearned run in each of Halladay’s last five starts.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
And, you don't gamble your future away
unless, imo, you know you are going to the playoffs, and you think it gets you a ring
I agree with BuckyB
Of course I was against giving up all of those players for Halladay, so I would tend to think that way, but part of the rationale was that you were gambling SO MUCH on Halladay being utterly dominant this stretch run. Like BuckyB, I suggested that it was possible that Halladay wouldn’t be just dominant, and I was basically stoned in response. No, we don’t know that he would have done this for us, but it is a chilling reminder of just how possible it was and just how huge of a mistake it would have been.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
so if halladay goes the rest of the way this year
pitches 6-7+ innings every start, has an era of around 3.5 (his era this year is 3.03, including the 4.4 stretch currently happening)
to me it was like the teix deal…you were trading him for this strech run and for NEXT strech run as well thats one thing
but to say anything other than the fact the rangers are more likely to make the playoffs thisy ear and next year with holland vs halladay is ludicrous to me. now to say that they are more likely in 3 years to make the playoffs? thats a different story
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly wouldn’t suggest that anyone should have predicted that Holland would outperform Halladay, and I would guess that Halladay will finish with better post July 29 numbers. Like I said, when we were all debating it, I said a few times that a problem with giving up so much for so long for a short term boost was that you couldn’t just write 9-2, 2.17 down for Halladay the rest of this stretch run. It was more unpredictable than that. And like I said, I was called names for being so dense as to speculate that something so absurd could happen. My main issues were timing and just how overwhelming the package was, but this was something that had to factor in. Yes, you were doing it for next year as well, but NO ONE would have considered the deal if they didn’t think he would be a huge boost this summer/fall. And they can still trade for him for next year if they want, at a reduced price.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I enjoyed the EMail,
but then again, I was against the trade for the cost on the table, and after reading so many people bangin the table for the trade, its good to see we are as good or better production right now, and are likely to get even better production down the road.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
right now, over a six start strech, holland has been better than halladay
over the last year, who has been better?
over the next year, who is more likely to be better?
now 3 years down the road is another story and had we traded borbon, holland, salty, ??? for him thats another story…but right now to “expect” holland to be better than halladay is a HUGE strech for me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
But right now thats all that matters to the Rangers is that 6 start stretch
What Halladays done in his career up to this point helps us out none. So while Halladay may be better then Holland next year, I suspect he will but not by a wide margin, Holland has been better lately and will be with us longer than halladay would have been
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
holland has had the best six game strech of his major league career
halladay has had the worst six game strech of 2009
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
How much better would Halladay have been these last 6 games than Holland was?
In 3 years who would be on the rangers still?
This is just hoolland we are talking about not to mention the other pieces it would have takent to make the deal
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
halladays last 6 starts:
@ SEA – 7 ip – 0 BB – 6 k – 11 GB: 15 FB – 1 HR
vs NYY – 9 ip – 0 BB – 5 k – 16 GB: 15 FB – 3 HR
vs BAL – 8 ip – 1 BB – 4 k – 19 GB: 8 FB – 0 HR
@ TBR – 8 ip – 0 BB – 6 k – 11 GB: 12 FB – 1 HR
vs BOS – 5 ip – 2 BB – 7 k – 8 GB: 9 FB – 2 HR
@ TBR – 6 ip – 1 BB – 8 k -8 GB: 13 FB – 1 HR
holland last 6 starts:
vs SEA – 8.2 ip – 1 bb – 10 k – 9 GB:9 FB – 0 HR
@ OAK – 4.1 ip – 4 bb – 4 k – 6 GB: 6 FB – 1 HR
@ LAA – 9.0 ip – 1 bb – 8 k – 9 GB: 13 FB – 0 HR
vs BOS – 6.2 ip – 2 bb – 3 k – 7 GB: 16 FB – 2 HR
vs MIN – 5.1 ip – 0 bb – 3 k – 4 GB: 15 FB – 1 HR
so halladay threw more IP over those starts, had a better GB:FB Ratio, had fewer BB, had about the same number of K and gave up more HR
if its just holland vs halladay there is ample evidence (about 2000 innings worth) that over then next 1.5 years that halladay > holland (just on the mound, money not included)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That didn't answer my question
And you can’t just look at the next 1.5 years since Holland will be our property for the next 6 after this one.
How much better in those starts would we have been with Halladay instead of Holland? It would be hard to be much better.
So while yes Holland could implode the rest of the way and Halladay could get back to dominance you just don’t know. Halladay has the track record which gives you more security in thinking he will be fine but Holland could just as easily pitch as good as Roy does over the rest of this season and for the next several years.
Add in the other players we would have had to give up and anyone who thinks we should have made the deal is smoking crack
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
im only looking at holland vs halladay
im only looking at the next year and a half
and yes, it would be hard to be much better over hollands six game strech (1.85 ERA, .189 BA) but to expect that over the rest of the year from holland is sure streching it
and if you were going to pick one to continue their trend way uP (holland) or way down (halladay) no one in their right mind is going to pick holland over the rest of the season other than a huge ranger homer
Holland could just as easily pitch as good as Roy does over the rest of this season
no, that is expecting way too much from the guy but people are looking at this six game strecha nd ignoring his previous 9 starts where he threw 6+ innings all of twice. as a starter his era is still 4.5. he has given up 14 HR as a starter in 81 IP (vs halladays 18 in 180 IP)
there is no statistical viewpoint that says or implies that holland > halladay for the rest of this year. not one!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with everyone else
Its a good point to keep bringing up because people will keep saying we need to sell the farm ASAP for any good veteran player. Yes, Halladay is a great pitcher, but you were betting on Holland not being any good in the next few months (as well as 2010). This needs to be said to try and slow down this offseason’s talk about how we need to trade for whatever people think is the missing piece.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
but you were betting on Holland not being any good in the next few months (as well as 2010).
your betting that over the next year and a half that halladay > holland
and im sorry, but there is not any statistical data to even consider the fact that holland > halladay over the next 18 months, simply between the lines (not thinking about cost to get him, cost to pay his salary)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Well this year is the more important time frame
You know you’re in playoff contention this year so a huge factor in the trade is do you gain much this year.
There is statistical data to consider Holland to be greater than Halladay for this team. The cost to get him and the cost to pay his salary play a huge role. First, there’s the possibility that Holland is becoming the ace pitcher we were hoping for in the minors. Then consider the team’s financial issues and what it means to bring Halladay in. The Blue Jays were wanting Smoak IIRC, so you’re giving up one of the bats you’re expecting to help the team next season plus making it tougher on the team to make a move with a tighter payroll. If the two pitchers are at least somewhat comparable next season, then Holland > Halladay for us.
And this is all a gamble that needs a lot of things to go right for the Rangers to make the deal work. You need Halladay to be great and much better than Holland as well as the Rangers to make the playoffs to make it worth giving up 6 years of Holland plus Smoak/Feliz/Perez. Its a gamble that I wouldn’t want to take and looking at the two pitchers now plus where the team is at shows why its such a tough gamble.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
FYI
I believe that RIchard has a live chat running at 11:00 with Jon Daniels over on the DMN Blog.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions
So what happens with Tracy this summer?
He’s been able to have a good bit of success in Frisco now over the past year which includes a dominant stretch over his past 50 games. He should start next season in OKC or arrive there shortly into the season. I think he has to be one of the guys we protect this offseason, right?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
My off the cuff reaction is no
Sort of like with Botts a few years ago. I kind of doubt that he looks like enough of an impact bat for someone to carry him all season.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
any thoughts on Gentry?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
yes
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
I wouldn't add him
I wouldn’t discount the possibility that I’m underrating one of these guys, since they are having their best years at a high level. But just based on the (scouting) information available (in addition to my eyes and what we can all see in stat lines), I don’t think that Gentry has enough offensive potential or that Tracy’s bat is so promising to override the fact that he’s a future DH, such that it’s worth clogging up your 40 to ensure keeping either of them.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The way i view those guys
Is this year we don’t have the wave of talent needing to be added. That means if theres room you can add some guys like Gentry and Tracy. If you sign someone better you simply DFA them and you probably keep them anyway. And if you don’t need the roster spot they are capable of filling in if a rash if injuries comes on.
Basically i would hate to lose a guy like Gentry and then have Borbon, Boggs, and Murphy go down with injuries and either have to go sign some retread, overpay prospect wise in a trade, or roll with someone with little to no experience out there.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Does Gentry have experience?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Im talking about experience playing the outfield
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
If we have a rash of injuries
One option I could see is using say a Chris davis in the OF or bringing up someone who isn’t as good defensively as Gentry is
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
There are a lot of possible options in that worst-case scenario,
and you have to weigh what you’re giving up in terms of the 40-man spot against what you gain against those options.
Would Golson’s defense and bat, for example, be poor enough by comparison to justify using a 40-man spot on Gentry, in your opinion?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I think we can afford to have Gentry on the roster for next season
The year after that is a different story. But I think hes the kind of guy who will slide through waivers pretty easily so the risk of losing him for nothing is minimal. In the upcoming years we probably won’t have the luxury of garrying guys like gentry because we have so much high ceiling talent coming up but this winter we have a bit of a lull and I would rather see us be cautious and protect him than risk losing him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
For me, it really depends on who else Texas risks losing.
To be honest, right now, I don’t know exactly who all’s Rule 5-eligible, so I don’t have a good idea of which other players Gentry might force off the roster. (I should look that up on Lucas’ site.) If there’s really not a jam for roster spots, then your argument makes sense to me.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
This year there isn't a jam
which is why I want him protected
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I was looking it up earlier today
43 guys on the 40 man currently. There are 9 guys that could be gone after this season (German’s either a FA or won’t be offered arbitration). Then you have Diamond, Eyre, Mendoza, and Arias who could all probably be bumped off the 40 man without any issue. You could probably risk Boggs too depending on who you want to add to the 40 man this winter.
There are about 10-12 players that are at least halfway decent where you consider adding them, but it looks like you’ll have no more than 5 guys be added.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
Beware, though. 2011 is just around the corner. The Fortypocalypse is nigh...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
that should be your new sig
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it should...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Fixed.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a bad moon rising, huntressatron!
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Aug 25, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares about 2011?
The guys that need to be added this offseason are going to be easy to DFA if they don’t show something next season and you’re going to have a better handle on guys like Poveda, Ramirez, Golson, and whoever else I’m forgetting.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He'll be 26 next season and he has the experience of repeating AA.
That’s a kind of experience.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
You may be right on Gentry
The guy is almost 26 and in AA, but he is an excellent defender, and he’s having a very nice year. The fact that their 40 doesn’t have to be that crowded is a plus for him.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Seems like a pretty ideal 5th OF.
Great defense, and his steal tool seems to be pretty ridiculous.
But he’s old and doesn’t exactly have a ton of offensive ceiling.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Old?
Hes a year younger than Boggs, posted the same OBP as Boggs did in Frisco, hit for a higher average. The only thing is he doesn’t have the power Boggs did but in a 5th OF thats the last thing im really looking for.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
does he play better defense than boggs?
(i have no idea)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Ive heard its pretty even
And with Boggs’ shoulder issues I don’t know how much CF he is going to be asked to play anymore whereas Gentry can play a pretty good CF from all accounts
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
do we know anything new about his shoulder?
i would think the rangers wouldnt go into next year with just borbon and hamilton as their only CF guys…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Everything ive heard is its bothersome
Don’t know if hes gonna have surgery on it or not. But surgery or not it probably takes him out of CF. So Borbon, Hammy, and Golson are our CFs on the roster
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i always forget about golson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 25, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think he could ever contribute to the Rangers?
The Rangers could use as many potential Major League bats as they can get for the upper minors. There’s probably about 10 guys on the current 40 man roster that will be gone after this season or we could easily dump off the 40 man without losing anything significant. If it came down to Tracy or Diamond/Arias/Eyre, who would you choose?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Personally, I wouldn’t place a very high priority on any of those guys. As much as Arias blows, you might be in a situation next spring where you need a cheap infield utility guy, but other than that, meh.
On Tracy, a big problem that I see is that he provides no defensive value or versatility. He can’t catch, he can’t play 3B, I seriously doubt that he would be anything but a liability in an outfield corner, and he’s not even a very good 1B. So here, he has to be such a good hitter that he’s more valuable as a DH than Max Ramirez or whoever that one bench spot might go to. What I don’t know is if scouts might be saying that what he’s doing this summer is for real and that a light has come on at the plate. I tend to underrate that likelihood, but I could be wrong.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Z's response a tad better
But this is a very close second
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
I'd shit myself with rage if we protected Chad Fucking Tracy this Winter.
Guys like him are a dime a dozen, and often cheaper if you’re willing to shop around.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Where's the harm
if there is room on the 40 man roster to add him without losing out on anyone better which there looks to be.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He fucking sucks, that's where the harm is.
Just because we might not have a full 40 this off season based on the guys in our system doesn’t mean we should use that as an excuse to protect suck ass mother fucking sucksters like Chad Tracy.
Use the spot on someone from another org.
Take a shot on a minor league FA or two.
Someone better.
Someone who might actually be, you know, good at major league baseball someday.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Because eventually you'll have to remove him..
….to make room for someone else when you have to promote someone, or add an NRI in the spring, or something like that.
What’s the point?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
And
if they draft them, they have to keep them on their 25. If they claim them, they only have to keep them on their 40.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
can you start
linking Newberg, so I don’t have to check my email?
lets get sum real analysis up in this bitch…
-Jayslick
Post.Fail.
by red shoe ranger on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
Hey now.
JD just answered two of my questions.
That’s a Well.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Glad to see they're aware
that people are annoyed by FSN’s game presentation.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's an odd fact:
If I’ve done the numbers right (and I’m fairly sure I have), for July and August thus far, Blalock’s been better against LHPs than RHPs:
In 65 PAs vs LHP: .250/.261/.516
In 132 PAs vs RHP: .232/.265/.400
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
(Obviously, caveats about small sample sizes and context follow here.)
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Just as I thought.
This team had a much better option with Blalock playing at 1B v LH pitching than they did prior to July 5.
Not great numbers significantly better than what CD put up (.143 average / .491 OPS) and also helps define exactly why the June Swoon ended and why the team went on a 28-19 roll.
If CD shits the bed again v LH pitching, the Rangers will not go to the playoffs and that’s why bringing him up is such a huge gamble.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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by Josey Wales on Aug 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions

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