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Josh Hamilton's Demise


The Good News: Over the last 14 games, the Rangers have gone 10-4, a blistering .714 clip.  The Bad and Ugly News: During this same period, Josh Hamilton has posted what stands as the most inept stretches of hitting for any All-Star player ever.  According to Baseball Reference, since his 3-hit game against the Twins on July 17 (a Ranger loss, by the way), here are his numbers:

55 ABs, 6 hits, 1 2b, 0 HRs, 2 RBIs, 2 BBs, 1 CS, 14 Ks, .113 BA, .145 OBP, .132 SA, .278 OPS

These paltry numbers yield one stark conclusion: Hamilton, despite his heroics last season, constitutes the Ranger's most pressing offensive liability, and he should not be in the line-up.  If the problem is physical, he should be placed on the DL immediately for the remainder of the season.  If the problem is something else, the Rangers brass have a tough decision to make.



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The major reasons he is our current #1 liability

1) Ian Kinsler, the other competitor for the slot, is now on the DL, and hopefully will be a contributor when he comes back.
2) RW has an odd fascination playing him every day when he clearly is the current weakest link in the OF/DH picture.
3) I think they rushed him back from injury, considering he basicly sucked in his AAA rehab appearances.

At least they moved him from the middle of the order. I wouldn’t mind seeing him sent down, or at least benched for a few days where he gets nothing but cage work.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hamitlon

i don’t think he’s the type of person that would take well to getting sent down.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is, but on the other hand I don't give a damn.

I’ve always thought that was a completely bullshit response. If a guy squawks for being sent down, when he isn’t getting it done, he probably is a craptastic team player.

To hold a team hostage while you are sucking the life out of the offense is the ultimate in clubhouse cancer in my opinion, and I don’t think Hamilton is a clubhouse cancer.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

ok, let me put it to you in a different way

if you send him down, he might never come back up. if you put him on the DL but keep him close to the team, he might be (probably will be) salvageable as a strong RF bat.

do you really want to stick by your principles on this one? Red Auerbach once let Bill Russell leave practice early because Russell said he was tired. I think I’m cool with coddling certain players.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

by lonestarJon on Aug 3, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard the same bullshit

with how CD would go into a tailspin if sent down, and I’ve heard that crap with most players. Then the player gets sent down and you hear how CD sounded almost grateful for the demotion.

I believe professionals understand when they are killing their teammates, and hate letting their teammates down more than they mind the demotion.

If a player goes into a tailspin when being sent down for improvement when they are obviously fail the team, most likely they are bad guys in the clubhouse anyway, and I don’t think Josh is a bad guy in the clubhouse.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this has more to do with Josh's history, and what the downtime and the shitty enviroment of the minors could do to him in the longrun

Than it is about him not being a good clubhouse guy.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

by lonestarJon on Aug 3, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is complete bullshit.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000000000000000

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 3, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

That’s pretty ridiculous.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you need to give him a little more credit

I think he demons have been conquered

"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 3, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

those demons...

…are never completely conquered. They can only be controlled.

by Brian Hayes on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

maybe it worked for CD. but the Hamilton is a recovering crack addict who has a chaperone with him. Even if he’s the most selfless guy in the world and would accept the demotion humbly but then relapse and your cold hearted ass would just say, “he’s not a team player.”

yeah, I’ll coddle him a bit.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we shouldn't send him down cause he's a recovering addict?

Is this you saying you fear he’d lose it and relapse if he got sent out?

Or just that his fragile psyche is such that he might just never be able to recover baseball-wise?

Or… What are you saying?

Cause what if he stays up and the pressure and pain of being a drain on what culd be a great thing for all of his friends and teammates gets to him and he relapses? Would your cold hearted ass just say, “He’s not a team player?”

I mean, how does this game work?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is nothing I have ever heard from Josh

that makes me think he would go into a tailspin, especially if you send Johnny Narron with him wherever he goes.

I think you could also DL him, if he wanted to instead of being sent down. His swing is all kinds of garfunkeled right now, and its not going to be fixed by playing his way out of it.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean nothing you have ever heard?

you’ve never met him.

It’s not like I know him either but I’ll defer to the club (and people like Narron) on how to handle him

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard him in multiple interviews

Even before he came off the DL you could hear guilt from him on his lack of contributions.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DL

I think that’s a more realistic option than sending him down.

Will Carroll mentioned last night that he recently had almost the exact same surgery as Hamilton, and had no idea how Josh was able to move without pain, much less even play baseball.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Aug 3, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I don’t see why you wouldn’t DL him

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cause DL'ing him might result in a rehab stint in the minors where he'd relapse, you cold hearted bastard!!!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you are probably right

There is just nothing in his minor league or major league starts since the DL that indicate he is even 50%.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you talking about the potential for a relapse?

…because nothing he says or doesn’t say in public interviews provides any evidence whatsoever of his potential for a relapse.

The fact is that there is always potential for a relapse with any recovering addict.

by Brian Hayes on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, when you basically say that there's a chance he'll relapse if he's sent down, it's fine.

But when someone else suggests that he’d likely be able to handle it just fine, he doesn’t know Josh and shouldn’t try to forecast shit he doesn’t know about?

Huh?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm sorry

i have to explain to you why I would err on the side of not relapsing?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not like he hasn't been in the minors

for a couple months since he came back from drugs. This wouldn’t be a new thing for him.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC

Other than rehab stints, Hamilton hasn’t spent any time in the minors since he was reinstated by MLB. He broke camp with Cincy and either played for them or was on the D.L. during the season before last. Not that it matters to me either way in y’alls discussion.

by shroomer on Aug 3, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well he was a rule 5

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played in the minors with TB the season before he got rule 5'd.

And he did spend roughly two weeks out on a rehab assignment in ’07 while with Cincy, apparently without relapsing, unless you still choose to believe Miles.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I finally got curious enough to cube it – played 15 games in the NYPL in 2006.

by shroomer on Aug 3, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC, he was in their complex working out in extended for quite a bit of time prior to that as well.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nay.

It looked super religulouseriffic.

That’s, uh… let’s just say it’s not exactly my thing.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Religulouseriffic

Just so you know, I will be stealing this team for future use.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

by lonestarJon on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still a good read

no matter your views on religion. He is startlingly frank about his decent into madness.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 3, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you have to explain to me how you can think you know that sending down to the minors increases the chances of him relapsing.

Cause it’s pretty fucktarded.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

our minor leaguers are mainlining Heroin and smoking crack every day, and its an atmosphere brimming with temptation.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus it's not like sending him to Frisco

is like sending him to BFE.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 3, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And his personal life

is much different now then when he got injured and caught up in drugs

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah..

…if he’s honestly as religious as he’s made out to be then sending him to the minors would create the type of adversity in life which, in the case of the truly religious, would cause their commitment to God to strengthen even greater.

If Josh Hamilton has already or is going to relapse then I seriously doubt whether he’s on the major league DL or playing in the minors is going to make a bit of difference one way or the other. But, if anything, it would seem to me that being on the major league DL would be more conducive to relapse than a stint in the minors would be if Narron and/or his wife moved to OKC or wherever with him. In the minors, he’s busy working every night and making long ass supervised road trips and shit. On the major league DL he’s just sitting around with suddenly increased idle time – one of the biggest dangers for a recovering addict.

by Brian Hayes on Aug 4, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I don’t know why sending him down would make him unsalvageable but letting him endure the day-to-day psychological beating of knowing you’re hurting all of your teammates by sucking to an extraordinary degree through the last leg of a pennant race is going to send him into some horrible tailspin.

He needs to be sent down NOW (either straight up sent down, or DL’d and sent out on a rehab assignment) so maybe there’s a chance he can rebuild some of his value for the final push.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no shit

as a competitor, you do what it takes to win, and right now Josh knows that he’s done ABSOLUTELY nothing to help this team win for the past month.

He needs to go figure his shit out, bang 6 or 7 homers in Frisco (selfish-motive for this placement) and come back with some confidence, a clear head, and a re-realization that baseball is fun

by BuckyB on Aug 3, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ron believes in his players (except for Nellie)

somtimes to a fault. He strikes me as a person who over analyzes things and thinks they are smarter than they really are. That is why he kept running AJ out there in the #4 slot when he wasn’t hitting his weight. Somebody finally slapped him upside his head with a stat sheet and Ron realized he had to move AJ and Hamilton down in the order.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All you really need to know at this point:

Josh Hamilton’s wOBA: .281.

Chris Davis wOBA? .287.

Ouch.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

by lonestarJon on Aug 3, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ron, I that you?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me either

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by willamos2 on Aug 3, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So hes been averaging an 0 for 9 between hits

Ouch.

Against a curveball he doesnt wait on it and swing with any power, he just starts slow, and mid-swing lunges his bat toward it to foul it off. That’d be less annoying if he didnt then also swing softly at fastballs.

Hes the anti-chris davis as far as swinging for the fenches right now, and yet he has simultaneously been able to still strike out and hit for a horrible average as if he were.

Its very disturbing.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Aug 3, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yup

He’s not really even swinging the bat, just kind of softly guiding it towards the ball.

He looks worse right now than Davis did at his worst.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 3, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overmatched hitters throw the bat at the ball

and that’s what it appears that Hamilton is doing. The question for me is why he’s overmatched. Is he unable to read pitches or have his injuries this year robbed him of bat speed…or both?

by twinkilling on Aug 3, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short Term Solution--AJ

The short-term solution, at the very least, is to play AJ. Here’s his numbers over the same period: (BA/OBP/SLG) .207/.395/.621 (!), with 3 HRs and 9 BBs.

And put Josh on the DL or option him and bring up Chris Davis for a lefty bat.

by davea on Aug 3, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not Davis

CD can’t play the OF. Bring up Boggs, his shoulder seems fine now.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

If Boggs is ready to go, bring him up. I meant using CD as a lefty DH

by davea on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Josh's swing mechanics are so fucked right now....

He has a lot of moving parts in his swing, look at his lower half, look at his hands…..if you get that timing off and have that many elements in motion, you’re going to be in a world of hurt. I think that’s what Rudy was trying to work with him on by eliminating the toe tap. But in all honesty, he may have eff’d him up in the process.

Per Lewin the guy isn’t even hitting bombs in BP…..BP.

His swing is so mechanically fucked that being sent down outright prolly would only make things worse.

If it were me I’d stick him on the DL and then have him hitting off a tee / in the cage, then off to a rehab assignment.

Can’t believe I’d ever be saying that about this guy…

Get well soon Joshua.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is thinking waaaaay tooooo much

right now. He has tremendous talent, see ball, hit ball. He really seems to be feeling for the ball.

You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…

I think you should seek counselling.

(AJM to Josey Donuts)

by Michael Cave on Aug 3, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Davis has earned the righ to come back up to the Rangers

Without Kins, potentially Milly, and the ghost of Hammy, the Rangers are on borrowed time. I’d like to see how Crush responds to being put back in the lineup everyday, and platoon Hank and AJ at DH.

Hammy’s not himself, and should go to the DL yesterday. Someone call an old priest and a young priest.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally,

I’d put Crush in a shared time situation with the other 2, and he would earn more playing time by playing well at the major league level.

I think it would absolutely send the wrong message to the team to make CD a full time player, and take time away from the more productive Hank and AJ.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, but I'm in full-on "the sky is falling" mode

Without Kins, maybe Milly, and this version of Hammy, I don’t see how the Rangers can compete with that juggernaut out in California. My thinking is lets see what Davis, Borbon, and Feliz can do now, so we’ll have a better idea of what we have going into next year. And that’s not necessarily a white flag, because I think Borbon and Davis will be productive.

The truth is, I feel for Hank, because he’s pretty much salvaged the rest of his career this year, but I can’t see him fitting in here long-term. I say go young.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 3, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are still 4 games out

while thats a lot, with 7 games to play against the Angels, it is certainly not insurmountable. I’m no where close to throwing the towel in on this season. The Angels are in the middle of a white hot streak, but it isn’t going to last forever.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That should be

9 out against the Angels.

After this week, maybe I’ll come around to your point of view. Hopefully, they sweep the Angels and beat up the A’s and you come around to my point of view though.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather be talked down from the ledge

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 3, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh

Hammy is likely drug tested 3 times a week (like he was when he first got to majors after the layoff), and if you read his book he is playing for so much more than baseball. Plus Narron is still with him, so drugs are/will not be an issue.

It is all mechanical with him right now, which is amazing to me because he came back after a four year layoff and belted the ball.

by rangersfan32 on Aug 3, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I have a couple of friends that insist he’s back smoking hubs….makes me so mad…..

They also insist that he was on roids last year……I hate the steroid scandal for this reason alone.

Maybe we need to fly Clay back to Arlington so he can toss Hammy his pregame bp….something, who knows.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 3, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember kinslerhomer's ST videos of Hamilton

and his absolutely RIDICULOUS bat speed.

I think the injury has murder his bat speed, or he’s added about 2 lbs to his bat at some point

by BuckyB on Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

the guy is special.

He is just flailing up there.

If he’s hurt he needs to man up and admit it, go to the DL, come back and contribute later (even if it’s the beginning of next year)

Easy for me to say, I’m sure it would be tough for him to admit such.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 3, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow that's ridiculous

I saw Josh smile last night after a walk. He looks healthy to me… loving life.

he is going to get it back, he is too talented not to.

by rangersfan32 on Aug 3, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

addiction

I know a lot of drug addicts who recovered, largely through committing themselves to God and becoming super religious. And still relapsed. Sometimes months later, sometimes years later.

 How closely is a major league baseball player watched when he pees for the drug test? Is the administrator standing inches next to him staring at his crotch to make sure he’s actually peeing with his own dick? Or is he standing behind him and just kinda watching/listening to see or hear a pee stream without having any view of the package producing it? Or does he just hand the player a cup and stand outside the bathroom door and then collect it when the player emerges?

Drug tests can most definitely be beaten, especially by those with resources (money).

Just sayin…

by Brian Hayes on Aug 4, 2009 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

They can be beaten even if they watch the urine flow out.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 4, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: "if you read his book he is playing for so much more than baseball. Plus Narron is still with him, so drugs are/will not be an issue."

That’s a truly ignorant declaration to make period, much less definitively. You don’t have any experience w/ people in recovery, do you?

I’m not saying Hamilton is teetering on the verge of a relapse or anywhere near it, but this notion that because you’ve been moved by a speech of his you saw, or his tear-jerker of a book, that therefore you can deduce that he has climbed the mountain of sobriety once and for all, or even for the foreseeable future, is ridiculous, and I wish people would stop spouting it.

The rate of recidivism amongst addicts is in the nineties, percentile wise. That’s right, over 90% suffer a relapse at some point. It is almost always a case of 2 steps forward, 1.9 steps back. So no, we have no damn idea whether drugs are/will be an issue, and that “we” includes Josh himself.

I think Josh has a lot of things working in his favor. He has a job he loves, teammates and family who support him, his faith, and best of all, he was smart enough to hire a fulltime babysitter. I’ve always been shocked that wealthy people/celebutards don’t go the babysitter route-it makes such uncommonly good sense. I also think another advantage he has is that he wasn’t an addict for years and years. Shorter “habits” are obviously less fearsome.

But FYI: rare indeed is the recovering alcoholic or addict that doesn’t have a compelling, powerfully uplifting message about how “they’ve seen the light and and are turning over a new leaf once and for all!”

He may very well beat it but it won’t be b/c the odds are in his favor.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 4, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and imo,

W/O our elite Hammy, we do not make the playoffs this year.

Of-course, whether the faster route to get Hammy back is playing it out, DL time, or minors time is the question.

by rangersfan32 on Aug 3, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I allowed to wonder

out loud about how we can have so many players struggling offensively this year when we have the best, most highly respect and highest paid hitting coach in baseball?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because coaches get too much credit when things go right and too much blame when they go wrong.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did JD say anything about Josh

at last night’s Newburg deal? Or was it addresses at all?

"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." - Satchel Paige

"Josh Hamilton doesn't act like he is Josh Hamilton. He acts like a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy named Josh Hamilton." - Jason Parks

by pro82 on Aug 3, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

said something about how

he is human, and it is just a matter of confidence related to swing, but said Josh is confident… so who knows lol

by rangersfan32 on Aug 3, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bottom line

he stinks and should not be playing on a team trying to make the playoffs until he gets better.

" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers

by gossamer on Aug 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

too me it looks like he is still playing

with an injured oblique muscle. Do you know how much torque that guy would use in his swing last season? Do you know how much of that torque was generated by using his side? A lot.

Ever since coming off the DL and shortly prior to his DL stint, he is not generating near the same torque and is hardly using his side at all.

Bobby Jindal '12

by dstar442005 on Aug 3, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

May be a bit of insight there

Your foundation strength is your midsection strength, no matter how powerfully developed the arms and legs may be – they primarily leverage that total strength along planar lines to swing with power, and are counterfeited when forearm or thigh muscles bunch up due to extra effort. (See why 340 yard drives in golf are all from total swing effectiveness not attempts to power the ball). Young usually applies a composed swing at the ball. Cruz hits most shots very bvery hard, reflecting his immense central strength, but doesn’t uppercut or jack at the ball.

If Josh has either residual pain, residual weakness, or unhealed repair to the abdominal or side area, he simply can not physically but his old rotational strength and bat speed out there.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Aug 3, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if that's the case

this should have been identified by the team by now, and he should be on the DL.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 3, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah send him to

fucking bakersfield (sarcasm) . The dude is an all star, he has overcome shit before he will overcome this, he just needs to let the bat go and stop trying to swing perfect every time.

by blueballlefty on Aug 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No...

he doesn’t need to start “letting the bat go.” That’s a large part of his problem. He’s swinging at everything. He needs to be more patient at the plate and stop swinging at bad pitches.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 3, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ inf

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 3, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are actually totally wrong

in a way, I do think he could use some patience but his strike out looking % is actually up 6% from last year, his pitches per plate appearances are actually slightly up, and his ball in play % is the exact same as is his line drive %. the last two have nothing to do with patience just thought it was interesting, and you obviously have problems with analogies, I wasn’t suggesting he swing more, just swing more relaxed when he does swing

by blueballlefty on Aug 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have problems...

with analogies when they’re made and actually work.

Nowhere in your incredibly deep statement did you make an analogy.

Try again.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 4, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hambone

needs to spend some time with the AAA hitting coach because we know Rudy is just going to tell him to be more aggressive.

by kumizi on Aug 3, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hamilton

i think its fair to say he was a little overrated. don’t get me wrong he is a good player, he posted .304/.371/.530 last year. thats an allstar player. but combining that with his comeback story and performance in the hr derby and some people were talking like he was the best player in baseball. as far as whats going on right now obviously he is still hurt, i don’t think there is much debate about that. i don’t remember the exact particulars but i remember there was debate over whether he should have hernia surgery that would keep him out until september or have something else done and only be out a month. whatever they decided on it doesn’t look like it fixed the problem.

by selppuc on Aug 3, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

His swing is awful right now. He swings at every first pitch. You throw him a strike, he hurts you. Now, pitchers don’t throw him strikes and he hurts himself.

This talk of relapsing is nonsense. However, I will say this. Josh gave up smokeless tobacco this season. Watching him now, it appears that he is using it again, but it could be gum, or seeds, or even non-tobacco chew. Anybodu remember what destroyed Pete Harnish’s carrer?

by DallasMobBoss on Aug 4, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There is and has never been mafia in Dallas

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I seriously doubt you've done much reading on the subject then

Unless you are talking about the Texas Syndicate, or La Eme, both prison system gangs, or the various outlaw motorcycle clubs, none of which fall under the accepted definition of the mafia or the mob, then no, the mafia has never established a foothold anywhere in Texas (houston is the one exception I’m unsure of).

If you are serious about your doubts, google me up some Dallas Mafioso kingpins and such.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was talking about all those gangs

But if they don’t fall under the “accepted definition” then I guess I’m wrong.

My bad.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, although your quotation marks do give me a hint,

but regardless, I was just going on the traditional definition of mob, which is ’synonymous" (kind of like “accepted definition”) with italian mafia.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I was being sarcastic

sorry…been dealing with my home warranty company all day.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 5, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ok, twice in one thread I've been obnoxiously imperious

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what Jack Ruby said

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jack Ruby, a jewish nightclub owner, was doing the bidding of Carlos Marcello (New Orleans) or Sam Giancana (Chicago), depending upon which source you believe

No such thing as Cosa Nostra in Dallas.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I do know

that my Uncle, who is a part owner of the Stoneleigh P, one of the first liquor by the drink bars in Dallas told me that he pretty much had to get his jukebox from a connected company back in the early 70s. I have no idea who the guy was or who he was connected to, but I have no reason to doubt my Uncle. It was essentially said get it from us, or bad things will happen, and it was after the first go at the club burnt down.

Now, I heard the story 20 years ago, so I don’t remember all the details.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not asserting that there weren't/aren't organized extortionists and other organized crime in Texas

I’m sure there are, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the guys leaning on your uncle implied or even outright claimed to have mob connections.

All I’m saying is, for a number of reasons (Texas being a non-union state, a lack of large, multi-generational italian enclaves, relatively far from traditional mafia seats of power, ports, municipal politics, etc.), there has never been a Mafia family seated in Dallas or the rest of Texas.

There are plenty of lesser known Mob hot spots/seats of power: Youngstown, Milwaukee, KC, Tampa, Buffalo, Cleveland. Texas just isn’t one of them, at least not since prohibition, and mostly not even then.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

the Mob didn’t at least have a few guys reporting to a boss elsewhere. You’d figure that if nothing else, there is always prostititution and gambling everywhere. I always understood that the reason mobs liked vending machine companies is they were a convenient place to launder cash.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

My own theory would be that it isn’t nearly as easy to move into a new area and establish a foothold where you are rootless, and of course, a vital ingredient in their success is the neighborhood code of semi-silence.

Their bread and butter, however, has always been two things: control of unions and garbage, two things which would require more than a few bit players. Incidentally, if you are curious, this is an excellent book on the billion dollar link between waste management and the mob in NY:

http://www.amazon.com/Takedown-Fall-Last-Mafia-Empire/dp/0553528831

But if it puzzles you that it hasn’t happened in Texas, it hasn’t happened much anywhere in the west, aside from Las Vegas. The entire west coast is by most accounts mafia-free.

In another book I read, Superthief, by Rick Porello, the master commercial burglar in the title (a Youngstown-Cle guy) explained that the reason so many more scores and inside jobs get done or fenced on the east coast and Midwest is b/c the western and southern areas aren’t set up with a long tradition, network, and crime infrastructure. The market just never developed for the Cosa Nostra types.

Superthief is another great read: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b_0_7?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=superthief&sprefix=superth

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oswald

killed Kennedy all by himself. No proof of anything else except that Americans love conspiracy theories. I have no idea whether or not a Cosa Nostra style family ever held sway over the Dallas area, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were still some racketeers around as Dan’s uncle experienced.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 5, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you find the single bullet theory plausible?

I think it is interesting in this case to remember that the Mob was a good deal more powerful in 1963 than it is today.

I have no firm beliefs about what actually happened that day, other than that the conclusion that Oswald acted completely alone is might shaky.

I’m no lover of conspiracy theories, but when you look at the body of evidence, including some of the wiretaps released by the FBI and the CIA (due to Bay of Pigs), and compare it with the dubious credibility of the Warren Report, I don’t see how you can be so dismissive.

And racketeers doesn’t = mafia.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 5, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember all the details

but about 15 years ago I read about a dozen books on the subject. I actually came into it from a period on reading about the mafia, thinking that of course they had something to do with it. After reading all of those books on every side of the argument I came away convinced that all the theories had been debunked.

It doesn’t matter, the case is now so wrapped up in 45+ years of misinformation and disinformation that most people would never believe he did it, no matter what the evidence. There is an entire industry that depends on that disbelief, and many people with a vested interest in keeping the mystery alive.

I find it entirely credible that a lone lunatic can get away with something like that. It seems more likely every year with all the freak killings that go on. People do insane things for insane reasons, they don’t have to be part of a massive conspiracy by some mysterious power group. The Warren Report has zero bearing on my feelings, I think they did a terrible job.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 5, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd paragraph

I meant most people would never believe he did it alone. He may have thought he was pleasing someone, but I don’t think anyone pushed him into it.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 5, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did I step into the History channel?

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 5, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You never know

what conversation is gonna break out at LSB :) Your corner sports bar for Rangers fans.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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