Stat of the Day
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2009 2:25 PM CDT
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The mind boggles.
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Too bad
they only score the 8th most R/G in the league.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
while having the second worst FIP
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Who really cares about FIP when your defense is *actually* good?
Yeah, the pitching could be better, but the Rangers aren’t allowing runs. If you want to argue that our defense is suddenly going to start sucking, fine, but if not, I think you’re being a little nitpicky. Am I wrong?
not being nitpicky, more pointing out that I don't care for that metric
especially the way it is used at times.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
hey Trip, since you're here
What do you think about the development of Feliz change from the low 80’s pitch that you saw in ST, and what it is now?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
You might be mixing a couple of my comments...
I saw him a lot last season. As a starter, he was working 94-97 with his fastball and hitting 80-82 with his change up.
I also saw him in Spring Training, but I was too busy recording video of him to really pay attention to his stuff.
The change-up velocity could be the result of the move to the bullpen or a new grip. It could also be that Terry Clark decided that Feliz’s arm-speed was too slow on the change-up. I like what he threw last night (and during the Futures Game), but I’m very interested to see what his starter-stuff looks like.
I guess I’ll have to wait.
Well it matters when it comes to evaluating individual talent and assessing value...
For example, does Feldman merit a long-term extension based on his performance this year?
If I'm the Rangers...
…I try to use Feldman as a trade chip this offseason.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Rangers: sellers of SPs?!
If we could get a good hitter for him, I would be all over that.
But I don’t feel like the league-wide interest in him is very high, and it wouldn’t be worth the Rangers time unless it was for a bona fide starter for us, or a legit B+ prospect, imo
Depends what the rest of our rotation looks like
Millwood, veteran FA, Holland, Hunter, Harrison???
I would rather hold onto Scooter another year at least until the glut of Main, Beavan, etc is approaching Arlington before trading such a valuable piece to the rotation. Being able to count on one guy to go out 31 times a year and give you 6+ innings per start is not something we need to be getting rid of this winter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I firmly believe Sheets will be a Ranger next year
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Because...
…I think his K rate is such that he’s going to be limited to a back-end starter, and given that we have Harrison, Hunter, Holland, and Feliz in the mix right now, along with Millwood and whoever can be acquired as a free agent (Sheets, for example) or via trade, I think Feldman’s highest value to the team after 2009 is as a trade chip.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you confident enough in a new SP acquisition and Harrison's effective return
to give up Feldman relatively cheaply? Or do you think the Rangers could actually acquire something valuable for him this offseason?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I would consider...
…packing him, Nellie Cruz, and maybe a couple of the lower-level arms and seeing if you could get something of significant value in return.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Feldman, Cruz and a couple lower level arms better get you something damn good
Two guys with at least 2 years of control left and two lower level arms better get you a damn good player.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Carl Crawford
might be available, but not sure Tampa would really want Feldman. I suppose Adam Dunn is a possibility or Carlos Pena.
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Fair enough.
I’m skeptical the Rangers get enough in return to make a deal worthwhile, but I certainly wouldn’t blame them for trying.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
When is the last time the
Rangers used 5 SPs in a season? I don’t think they are in any position to be trading away pitching depth.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Well
The Rangers also will have Moscoso hanging around, Kasey Kiker, Eric Hurley coming back, Brandon McCarthy…
Moving Feldman doesn’t suddenly make the Rangers bereft of starting pitching depth.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot Mendoza
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Ugh.
That list strikes me as fairly bereft of starting pitching.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I wouldn't list Eric Hurley nor Brandon McCarthy
I just assume give McCarthy to whoever will take him. Kiker and Moscoso are always talked about as guys who are destined for the ML bullpen.
?, Millwood, Feldman, Holland, Feliz/Harrison/Hunter. Feliz wins out; Harrison to AAA; Hunter to the bullpen.
Or we could be like Tampa, and trade Edwin Jackson thinking we have an abundance of starting pitching, then come the trading deadline, and were looking for a starting pitcher.
So I guess you consider Roy Halladay a back-end starter
Not that Feldmans gonna be anywhere close to Halladay but you don’t need a high K rate to be effective
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
When has Halladay averaged 4 Ks per 9?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 4, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Career minor league K of under 6 per 9 innings
And had back to back seasons of 5.4 and 5.6 per 9. Like I said he isn’t close to Halladay but you can be successful without striking out the world
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Halladay's K rate is well above lg avg
In fact, it is almost 2x Feldman’s K rate.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
This year it is
Look at his career
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
look at the BB and HR rates
also.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Like I said hes not Halladay
But the blanket statement that you can’t be successful only striking out as many as Feldman does drives me crazy.
Also its only his second season as a starter so pidgeonholing him as a low K guy is unfair. In my eyes he hasn’t even started focusing on striking out guys because hes still working toward going deeper into games.
IF I could get a certifiable All Star pitcher under control for several more years then sure trade Feldman. But trading him away because we have guys like Moscoso, Hurley, BMac, and Kiker as depth is crazy.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Halladay's K rate has been hovering around 15-19% until 2008, when it climbed to above 20%
It was at the lowest in 2006 and 2007, which corresponded to the worst couple of years of his career. Feldman is about 11% right now, I think it can get a bit higher and top out at about 12-13% or so, provided that he improve his non-fastballs.
On the other hand, Feldman’s walk rate is about 7-8% right now, whereas Halladay’s is pretty much always below 4% except for that real bad year in 2007. That’s about twice as many walks – clearly significant. Halladay throws strikes 67-70% of the time, Feldman is barely over 60%. Halladay gets consistently over 51% groundballs, Feldman is at 46% right now.
No, you don’t need a ton of strikeouts to be successful, but it sure helps. Halladay is slightly above average in striking batters out, but he is awesome in getting ground balls and not walking people. Feldman is quite a bit below average in terms of strikeouts, average to slightly above average in allowing walks, and above average in getting ground balls. It’s not reasonable to compare Feldman to Halladay just by comparing K rates while ignoring everything else.
Whether or not he collapses
I doubt he has a sub 4 ERA for his career. I would suspect that his value is as high as it will ever be, and we have a shit ton of pitchers as prospects coming up.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I doubt Feldman has a sub-4 ERA for this season.
But if next year is circled in red on Daniels’ calendar, I’m not so sure he isn’t worth more to the Rangers on the roster than he is in a trade.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
How many of those guys can you count on for 30+ starts and 180+ innings next year
Cause Besides Millwood, Feldmans the only one I am confident in saying will give us that
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I think there is about as good
a chance that Feldmans ERA is over 5 as under 4 next year.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I don't think I mentioned ERA
But if I had to say I would guess its much closer to 4 than to 5. In fact I would guess its closer to 4 than 4.5
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I think FIP won't be very good with a pitch to contact philosophy.
This just might be a flaw in the stat.
Agreed
For a team that has a low BB, high HBP, low IBB and low K, it’s going to give you a skewed output IMO
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Not really
pitch to contact still means if your defense turns plays, you will have a low ERA despite a high FIP, and if they don’t, they will have a higher ERA than FIP. I don’t think there is anything pitch to contact does that skews FIP.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
The problem with FIP is the way people use it,
not something inherent to the stat itself.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
As a preliminary catch-all indicator of a pitcher's ability to control things in his control.
The problem is that people cite FIP with little accompanying support, so it looks hollow often times.
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
by inactive lsb user on Aug 4, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
right on
So is it not meant to be a predictor of ERA? Or is it meant to be a predictor of ERA with “average” defense?
For my money, it's not predicting ERA that's the goal,
so much as attempting to assess the “context-neutral” value of a pitcher.
This might be interesting reading.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I'd go along with this.
It’s useful when employed as an estimate of how well a pitcher has pitched, considered independently of the quality of the defense playing behind him. Of course, it’s impossible to completely and accurately decompose pitching performances with a stat like FIP, but it’s a first approximation.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I wonder if as it progresses,
they will use a UZR type system to see how pitch-location affects their performances.
I'd guess (and hope) that Pitch f/x will lead to better DIPS.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
my problem with FIP
is the assumption that all batted balls in the field of play are created equal.
And the other, related thing that bugs me is when people compare ERA and FIP and then categorize the pitcher as “lucky” or “unlucky”, as if he has absolutely no influence on the type of contact that batters are making on his pitches.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
How does FIP assume that all balls in play are created equal?
Your second point strikes me as a good reason why relying on FIP alone is not an especially good idea.
At the same time, I think many people overstate the ability of a pitcher to influence the outcomes of balls in play (just as they overstate the ability of batters to do so). I’m not saying there’s no degree of control whatsoever, but Wilson’s experience last night speaks to the problems with assuming that softly hit ground balls are harmless.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
And not all line drives end up as base hits.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Right, but what is your point?
Surely you agree that a greater percentage of line drives end up being base hits as compared to ground balls, right?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
This is a non sequitur.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I was responding to
but Wilson’s experience last night speaks to the problems with assuming that softly hit ground balls are harmless.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
OK, but it's still a non sequitur.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I fail French class. :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
OK, but "non sequitur" is Latin.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I know hence the :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I never know how to translate emoticons...
(I’ve mostly stopped using them myself.)
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
But
giving up a line drive has to be in your control. I don’t see how a pitcher would ever try to throw a ball in such a way that it could be easily driven, regardless of where it’s final location ends up.
The other reason this is a retarded statement is that groundballs are much more favorable than line drives.
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
by inactive lsb user on Aug 4, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s my understanding that the formula doesn’t differentiate batted balls, it just assumes a league average BABIP for all balls in play. Pitchers that allow mostly ground balls aren’t considered any different than pitchers that allow lots of line drives – both are just considered batted balls.
In other words, missing the good part of the bat is considered “luck” rather than something a pitcher can control. Just seems counter intuitive to me, and doubly so when you start looking at some of the pitchers that show a consistent tendency to outperform FIP.
Popups, groundballs, flys, line drives…these must be considered things that are “beyond the pitcher’s control” to really validate what the statistic is measuring IMO.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Yep, I believe word on this is that we have to wait for hit f/x data to confirm.
I absolutely think you’re right and that some pitchers might be able to pitch to contact better [Feldman, for instance] when they have a good idea of what the movement does to a hitter’s swing on those pitches .. and people wonder why he gets the jam shots, broken bats, come backers, etc.
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
by inactive lsb user on Aug 4, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The question is how much control Feldman has over both contact
and what happens after that contact is made.
If you believe that over the long term, a pitcher can exert significant influence on both of those factors, then FIP is likely to strike you as a rather unhelpful stat. If you believe that the vast majority of pitchers cannot significantly control either of those factors, then FIP is likely to strike you as valuable as a first approximation of a pitcher’s “neutral-context” performance.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
FIP is decent
but far from complete.
My hypothesis is that some pitchers could be significantly better than others at it. I don’t know if there is a “vast majority” of people that can outperform FIP for any appreciable length of time.
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
by inactive lsb user on Aug 5, 2009 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If by "assuming a league-average BABiP,"
you mean that the formula for FIP uses a league-specific factor to put FIP on the same scale as ERA, then yes, that’s right ~ but really, FIP simply ignores all of the factors you’re talking about.
Maybe that’s a de facto assumption if people working with FIP label a pitcher’s performance as “lucky” based solely on the difference between his ERA and FIP ~ but then we’re back to problems with the way people use FIP, not inherent to the stat itself.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I have no problem with the stat itself
But look at how its used the vast majority of the time. Fangraphs for instance uses FIP as the basis of their pitcher’s win values. That completely ignores many of the other factors in a pitcher’s game. They aren’t alone in using FIP like that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
What other factors would you like them to use
in calculating win values?
I think the post I linked to above gives a decent explanation for why they choose to do it the way they do…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
tRA is probably the better one to use
If you’re talking about a single stat to use as the basis of a pitcher’s win value.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
As Dave Cameron wrote,
That doesn’t mean that we’re set in our ways and that these win values will never be improved upon. If and when a new metric like tRA is proven to be significantly more effective in valuing pitchers (and I’m hopeful that it will be, given more data exploration on the topic), we won’t be standing here as guardians of the infallibility of FIP. We want to get to the truth, and do so as quickly and as accurately as possible. I will encourage you (especially those of you in the "tRA is awesome/FIP sucks" camp), though, to not let minor differences cause you to miss the fact that FIP and tRA lead to very similar results.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Why not?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
lol @ Moscoso tag line.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
or your older brother's
heh
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
New here
this is my first post..i’ve been on this site for the past few months but never joined..its good to know that im not the only one who freaks out when they blow games like last night.
Rangers 2010 World Series Champions
by effortlessdelivery on Aug 4, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
Just went over to LOL
for some reason this makes me proud:
“You are banned from Lookout Landing.
You can browse the blog, but you can’t participate.
Cunt"
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
Not really.
Halos Heaven is one thing. LoL actually runs the type of ship I wish we would over here at times.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
That is the same message I have
I got banned 2 months ago for nothing really. I think they were having a bad night. It wasn’t Jeff that banned me it was the other guy.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Who's the other mod there again?
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Ah yeah. Now I remember. Don't know why I couldn't think of him.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
I wonder if he is kin to Ray Carruth?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Probably not related to Rae
Instead of banning you he would have hired people to shoot you.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
And Graham
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
by LSJ on Aug 5, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Pitching
Never once did I think during the offseason that our pitching would be doing this good, and our offense..not so good. Blows my mind
Rangers 2010 World Series Champions
by effortlessdelivery on Aug 4, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions
No, No
Didnt you get the memo? The pitching is not any better this year. Its all defense
by BEW on Aug 4, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
it is a little easier to play defense
when every ball is not a missile..lol. I think the drop in the walk rate is underappreciated.
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
Give the saber-geeks some time
and they will figure a way to attribute that to the defense also.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I was feeling bad about last nights loss...then I watched the Feliz highlights again...
then I realized Holland is pitching tonight….I had to take a nap after that.
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Aug 4, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Holland
so Holland with an encore tonight?
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by effortlessdelivery on Aug 4, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
That would make the last 48 hours mighty tasty
or would that be 24 hours?
Nap time.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
If Feliz comes in to relieve Holland I think the universe may implode
Or at least LSB servers will crash
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I hope he doesn't
that arm needs to be protected
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
No but the A's would be screwed
Rangers 2010 World Series Champions
by effortlessdelivery on Aug 4, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions
Is your friend.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Mike E?
No, no he’s not.
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
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