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Evan Grant on Joaquin Arias

Evan Grant has a story up on Joaquin Arias over at Inside Corner, and how he's gone from a prize part of the Alex Rodriguez deal to an afterthought.

I'm not entirely sure what role Arias could possibly have going forward on this team.  He can't really throw well enough to play shortstop or third in the majors regularly, and has never hit well in the minors.  And he turns 25 in September and is out of options after this season.

Ron Washington having him hit leadoff is really bizarre.

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They shoul dhave brought up

Esteban German instead of Arias. German is a true utility player with ML experience. JD blew this one.

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by RangerMad on Aug 5, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

JD was saying that German could play a role down the stretch for us

They probably just brought Arias up because he was already on the 40 man roster, but they really should have just DFA’d him and brought up German who at least has a shot to hit something.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Aug 5, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially now that we truly know how much Arias sucks at the plate and on the field

There wouldn’t be any Monday-morning quarterbacking now if Arias is given his “Joaquin” papers. (Walking, get it?)

by Inkara1 on Aug 5, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got it the first time .. but still funny.

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by inactive lsb user on Aug 5, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a guess

I’m thinking they went with Arias since he was already on the 40 and basically this is his last audition before they decide whether or not they should cut ties. I doubt he’s a Ranger much longer.

by rcreative on Aug 5, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Esteban German

Probably the best lineup change available among AA, AAA, and the ML bench is German. At least until Kinsler’s back.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 5, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is

Once Kinsler is back you’d have to keep him up or lose him to FA. I think we will wait until September to call him up

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not just give him Arias’ 40 spot, and option him when Kinsler comes back?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 5, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe hes out of options

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure he's a Minor League FA (He IS 31 after all).

So, you can’t option him down. You have to DFA him (or something similar) and hope he doesn’t choose to sign with another org.

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by bking on Aug 5, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

So,

this decades Kelly Dransfeldt?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Dransfeldt at least was a good defender

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's looked fairly

craptastic so far. Even putting away his lack of offense, which was a given, I can’t imagine keeping him over some waiver wire utility infielder next year. We will probably be able to find a NRI who defends better than he does.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Adam

according to blueballefty last night he could start for 10 teams….

08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.

by Michael Cave on Aug 5, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

And he could

All of them in the PCL.

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by t ball on Aug 5, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well played, sir

08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.

by Michael Cave on Aug 5, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

While Arias definitely doesn't have a role on this team going forward

I don’t think it’s anything to get upset about. It’s not like he’s losing games for the team or anything. It’s not something that’s even worth complaining about.

I can’t wait until Davs/Smoak/Borbon so we can see less Blalock/Byrd/Jones.

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by willamos2 on Aug 5, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Well,

2 nights ago for sure, last night was a team effort on the loss.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he is costing them games. That grounder in the ninth Monday should have been an out and the play yesterday with the bases loaded cost them runs. That one didn’t end up mattering but it could have.

by nrrh on Aug 5, 2009 1:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Did you watch the grounder in the 9th on Monday? That wasn’t really his fault.

by Drew062682 on Aug 5, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah it was...

It was slowly hit, and he didn’t take ANY sort of angle to get to it. He took it 3 ft onto the OF grass, which led to the bad hop, when even the smallest of angles to come in on it would have (a) gotten him to it on his terms and (b) given him more time to throw it.

Staying back on a slow roller like that doesn’t even play well in a beer league.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree...i just think it was defensive positioning

would vizquel have made it? Maybe, but if you’re holding a player like Arias to the standards of one of the best defensive players ever, I think that’s unfair expectations.

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by willamos2 on Aug 5, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not positioning

He chose not to move and let the grounder come to him. He should have charged the ball and he can make the out without much of an issue.

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by Gdawg on Aug 5, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously gagreed...

How anyone could see that play and think it takes “one of the best defensive players ever” to make it defies understanding.

Even if the hop hadn’t eaten him up, that was going to be a bang-bang play on JACK FREAKING CUST. If it was all about positioning, then virtually no one would ever get thrown out using that alignment.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It looked like...

…a very lazy effort from Arias on that play. Positioning played a factor but he could have easily overcome that with a little hustle charging that ball.

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by Chad Crudup on Aug 5, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was lazy...

I just think he’s lost at 2B. He doesn’t seem to have any feel for how to play anything.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't blame him

blame that sunflower seed eater for having him in there in the first place

by kaiserbillwolf on Aug 5, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, ummm..ok

How dare Wash play the utility IF at 2B!! If the guy can’t make that simple play, he shouldn’t be on the 25.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he shouldn't be

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 5, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's pretty evident...

But blaming the manager for a grown-ass Major leaguer (pretender or not) failing to make that routine play seems silly.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not helping them either

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 5, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all of the other easy outs on this team,

it sucks having the easist out batting lead off. Elvis and Murphy should platoon in the lead-off spot until further notice. The fact that our offense sucks right now is no excuse to make it suck worse.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Aug 5, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree with elvis and murphy in leadoff

elvis consistently gets good at bats at least.

by SteveP on Aug 5, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

u are right

they can’t win unless they hit the long ball

by kaiserbillwolf on Aug 5, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just hoping

That he’s being played because someone wanted him in a trade… not that what’s happened has been good in that regard either.. ugh.. I give up… we need more Omar.

by bstair on Aug 5, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Arias

I’m not sure he can throw well enough to play second, much less short or third.

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by RCCook on Aug 5, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

The play Cruz got hurt on ...

it was awfully close to a situation where the game is on the line and Arias is in short RF and cocking that cannon of an arm of his for the relay throw home with the game on the line.

by shroomer on Aug 5, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't he make the relay throw after the Holland pickoff error?

Seems like I recall him hauling off and throwing about a 100ft noodle.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why have him hit leadoff?

Doesn’t that contradict Washs Philo? Someone who isn’t experienced enough should hit lower in the order according to him. It’s mind boggling I tell you.

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by NYTXFAN on Aug 5, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wash believes Arias has experience...

that is why he said Arias is leading off over Elvis.

Despite that the King has 150 more PA and 50 more games at the ML level…

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by TxStCa on Aug 5, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Like Adam said it is bizzare although I dont think that iis a strong enough word.

I give Warsh credit for getting the pplayers to play hard, but sometimes his lineups are horrendous

by BEW on Aug 5, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Define playing hard.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

by lost in space on Aug 5, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Batting leadoff is a huge question

Granted, it probably wouldn’t have mattered where you try to bury him in this lineup but leadoff? Making sure he gets as many PAs as possible? I defend Wash as much as anyone but that’s a headscratcher.

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by WyoRanger on Aug 5, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Posted in other thread...

But I think Wash is simply (simplistically??) keeping the lienup the same as it would be with Ian in there. He seems VERY interested in keeping guys in roles. Notice that Omar also hit leadoff.

Like I said in the other thread – Strategy isn’t his forte.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least that's a reason

Maybe not one I agree with but at least he isn’t pulling names out of a hat.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Aug 5, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm 99% sure that's the reason

And I hate it

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 5, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree; I think the idea of "roles" in the batting order is silly.

if you have a guy with horrible platoon splits, for example, and you have to play him full time, there’s no shame in moving him around a lot.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

semi-related note, anyone else laugh at Wash’s quote about sticking with kins at leadoff?

Funny that this time last year (when Ian had a good OBP) he was complaining that he wanted to move Kins down, to take adantage of his power. This year, Kins’ OBP sucks, and he’s all behind keeping him in the one spot.

It’s a funny world we live in.

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by Keynes on Aug 5, 2009 1:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

x

the 40 gut trumps all

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by RangerMad on Aug 5, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

What is Germans options status?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

One left after this year, per Scott Lucas' site

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

So since Arias has no options left, he had to come up this year or make the team out of spring training next year

Otherwise we’d lose him without knowing if he can play worth a shit. He obviously can’t so now it’s time to cut bait.

by Inkara1 on Aug 5, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats German Duran

Im looking for Esteban German

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad..

He’s not on the 40, so I assume he is a Minor League FA by this point

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which means if we brought him up now

Whenever Kinsler got back either we would have to keep him on the roster (2 UIF?) or DFA him which would mean he could become a FA. If you wait until September to add him the rosters have expanded to 40 so you can keep him up even if he doesn’t get much playing time.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds right to me..

I think right now we’re seeing the last hurrah of Jack Arias. When Ian comes off the DL, I fully expect him to go down and not return.

Anyone besides me wondering if the Yankees didn’t hoodwink us? In hindsight, that whole charade of hiding Arias in another uniform number seems like it could have been an attempt to keep us focused on him instead of Cano.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arias' downfall was the ill fated attempt to make him a CF.

He hurt his arm and that really hurt his developement.

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by RangerMad on Aug 5, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I buy that..

Is it really true that a guy used to playing SS would injure his arm playing a few games in CF? Really??

Of course, we’ve seen him lose his mind playing out of position this week, so maybe the change to CF did make him do something incredibly stupid and ruin his arm.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am going by what EG said
Is he a center fielder? No, that experiment lasted a week in January of 2007 and his throwing arm hasn’t been the same since.

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by RangerMad on Aug 5, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could always go eat a side of chicken

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by boomer1 on Aug 5, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what that means

but for some reason it made me laugh

by BEW on Aug 5, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course

he may have just been an overrated prospect. It happens.

He was always fairly unique amongst prospects that of the people who watched him play, half would rave, half would say he was fairly meh.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see why people were high on him

Speedy SS prospects are always fun to gauge; he did hit reasonably well in limited AB’s with the team before.

I do hope he can catch on with another team once he’s done here.

by Maximilian on Aug 5, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to call him

the Human Rorshach test due to all the responses from seeing him play. I only saw him once as a minor leaguer, and he looked completely disinterested in the game.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't exactly term his current body language as 'interested' either.

Something went terribly and irreconcilably wrong. The dude mopes around as if he’d rather be the counter girl at Hot Topic.

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by inactive lsb user on Aug 5, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even back 4 or so years ago

when he was supposedly a hot prospect, he seemed disinterested. I always suspected he never really liked baseball, but he was good at it and it was going to be his biggest payday.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m also glad Ajayem posted this, because now I have another soapbox to ask why not DFA Arias, bring up Vallejo, and add Pirate to the 40?

I mean, mebbe the FO believes in Jack as a SS or emergency 3B, and that Vallejo’s only a 2B- but otherwise, I can’t see that Arias gives you anything so much better than vallejo (or Stevie Kraut) would give you right now.

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by Keynes on Aug 5, 2009 3:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

In no particular order..

1) Until this callup, Jack had hit OK (.300+ last year, IIRC) in the Show. Vallejo is shitting the bed in OKC right now. This Thing can’t afford for the GM to screw the pooch by bringing up someone who’s “clearly not ready.”
2) Why add AJ to the 40 unless you’re calling him up? You don’t hand out 40 spots mid-season without a valid need. Even Johnny Donuts knows this, or at least Nolan can tell him over bedtime stories.
3) Right now there are no other viable options for the utility role, so they are probably going to rock with Arias until Kinsler comes back. Too bad JD was too busy making apuddle in his office to get in on the Wilson trade.

Ok, I’m done channelling….

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arias had hit okay in The Show...

…but in very limited ABs, and had done nothing of note in the minors.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 5, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lest I be misunderstood... or called an Arias cheerleader

I know he’s shown damn little – just explaining why keynes’ suggestions may not fly…. and exorcising a demon or two while I’m at it…

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know it won't get off the ground

Maybe it’s just a private swap-Eddie-for-AJ obsession I have. I know that won’t happen, so I have to aggregate it to dumping Arias (which is a nice side bennie in and of itself).

Plus, I don’t see how Vallejo makes this thing any weaker, and maybe he catches someone’s eye while he’s up for a winter trade. The dude has value, but since he can’t/won’t play short or third, there’s not much value here as a backup second baseman.

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by Keynes on Aug 5, 2009 3:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm in no hurry to lose Vallejo

His value will hopefully improve as he masters AAA (here’s that hope word again), and maybe we get knocked out with an offer for Kinsler one day in the future.

I agree that dumping Arias makes a nice side bennie in another move, but I just don’t see us getting our wish until Kinsler comes back.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vallejo

He has two more full years of options so why the rush to get rid of him? His value couldn’t be lower right now with his abysmal year hes having. Next yar he will be our only viable utility candidate already on the 40 man roster in the minors so if someone gets hurt he will get some action.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 5, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Per Heyman today

Jon Heyman of SI.com calls Toronto’s team the “Blew Jays” because he believes GM J.P. Ricciardi blew the Roy Halladay trade talks. Here are the details and a couple other rumors:

•Heyman says too much talk, too much candor and an overly steep price prevented Ricciardi from making a deal.
•Heyman hears that Halladay would have approved trades to a variety of teams in the East and Midwest.
•The Jays never agreed on prospects with the Rangers, but would have sent $5MM to Texas in a possible Halladay deal.
•One executive says the Jays “overplayed their hand.”

So the BJ’s were going to send the Rangers $5MM. If so JD called Ricciardi’s bluff on prospects. Ricciardi probably thought JD would cave. Good for JD if this is true.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Aug 5, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Heyman = Idiot

JP did not blow anything. Just because the Indians asked for a craptastic quartet of prospects for Lee does not mean the Jays have to follow suit.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 5, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we will see if he can get

the same package this offseason or at the deadline next year. That was not the point of the post it was the BJ’s sending $5MM to Texas.

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Aug 5, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

$5 Million

Oh, okay. I’m guessing that the money was to entice the Rangers to send Holland over in the deal (didn’t read the article).

by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 5, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Aug 5, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Carroll

(or was it Goldstein?) who said they did miss an opputunity to trade him at peak value, and they won’t get close to the same package at the Winter Meetings

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Aug 5, 2009 4:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

And if they do keep him and lose him to FA there is no way those picks will be what he could have got. JP blew this and it is on him and no one else. I would be suprised if he was still the GM at this time next year.

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by boomer1 on Aug 5, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Package of Prospects

And what prospects, exactly, could JP have gotten in a deal? Nobody has said anything concrete. The 2011 draft is shaping up to be quite good. I believe it is podcast #3 in which Law and his friend talk about the quality of players eligible for the draft in ’11.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 5, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you defend JP so?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 5, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defending JP

I don’t think it is hard to defend JP when he expects a reasonable return for Halladay.

That’s not to say he hasn’t made his fair share of mistakes, and he has come across as an ass in the media.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 5, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a slam-dunk that he gets less this winter

I know its the conventional wisdom, but it not a lock IMO.

Once the season is over, contending teams could be more willing to part with ML-ready or ML players in a deal, as the opportunity for them to backfill is less time-critical.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 5, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that he has to consider if he could get a better offer.

Cliff Lee had an effect on the market, but so did CC Sabathia from last year and probably Tex. But realistically, if something like Feliz + Smoak + Kiker + Borbon/Teagraden was on the table, how much better of a deal can you get than that? Feliz + Smoak are two top 15 prospects. The only way to get better than that is by asking for young major leaguers (not major league ready), but chances are if Toronto wants them, they’re already contributing something to that team. It just makes it more difficult.

I’m happy the trade didn’t go down because I don’t think the Rangers are quite there this year, but what sort of offer exactly does get that trade done? 2 MLB position players + 1MLB-ready excellent reliever/great SP prospect + 1 AA top-10 (for that team) prospect is a shit ton of talent. If you want to say, well Tex netted us so much, why shouldn’t Toronto get that, realize that we took back high ceiling players who were farther away. None of the players we took on would have the impact of Feliz + Smoak would one year from the trade.

by GhettoBear04 on Aug 5, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it all depends

whether and what they get for him in the offseason or next trade deadline.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 5, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Per DMN Arias is a RedHawk and

Esteban German is up.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/08/roster-move-arias-down-german-up.html

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Aug 5, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Bannister

Bannister has been DFA’d to make room for German.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 5, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me sounds like Kinsler may be out longer than expected

Otherwise I see no reason to do this now unless they have a plan on keeping German around once Kinsler is healthy

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

arias

that’s gotta hurt. you get this big chance in the spotlight and you totally blow it. and you don’t get longer than 2 days to fix it (not that I wanted to see him again).

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He looked miserable

He looked bad at the plate, bad in the field, and made some fairly clear mental mistakes out there.

I had hopes for him, but he just didn’t seem like he wanted or deserved to be there.

by Trickman on Aug 6, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you are in a pennant race

there is only so much patience a team can have.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 6, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the race they're in

is more like for one of those little umbrellas they put in cocktails.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 6, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a question for all:

Why isn’t Max Ramirez brought up in the discussion for minor league bats that could help out the major league team right now? Is he still hurt?

by GhettoBear04 on Aug 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

hurt and sucked above AA

I think he still has a chance but his time is fading. He’ll be 26 I think next year so hes not exactly a real young guy

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 5, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Evan Grant sucks, why bother reporting anything he says.

by Big Tex on Aug 5, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

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