Looking Ahead to the Offseason...
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT
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Despite our still being in it, I have been conditioned over my years as a Rangers fan to start thinking about the upcoming offseason by this time of year (and honestly, usually well before this time). One of the weirdest things about this season, beyond truly caring about the outcomes of games in August, has been how hard it has been to identify specific areas to upgrade on this team, both for this year and going forward. This is mostly because the rotation has been the default setting for that category for so long.
At the trade deadline this year, outside of an obvious candidate like Roy Halladay, any other target would have felt like a small and insignificant upgrade at any one position, despite the obvious problems this team has had offensively, and that sort of extends into this offseason. For example, despite the likely loss of Andruw Jones and Marlon Byrd, does this team really need to go after an OF with Cruz, Hamilton, Murphy, Borbon and Boggs hanging around? Does the team want to invest in a DH long term with Davis, Smoak, Max Ram and Moreland all still hanging around? An ace would be nice, but with rotation depth next year potentially including Millwood, Feldman, Hunter, Holland, Feliz, Harrison, McCarthy, and Hurley, you’d really need to target quality over quantity. But if they do decide to shop from the top shelf this offseason, they picked a poor time to start drafting in the back half of the first round.
I have included a toolbag of links from the luminiferous aether to hopefully help stimulate some conversation on what our 40 should look like and which FA or trade targets we should pursue.
We have some major contracts coming off the books (Padilla at 12m, Blalock at 6m, Benoit at 3.5m, Byrd at 3m, and Guardardo at 1m would equal 25.5, less the 1m that adds onto Millwood’s salary next year and the arb cases). Is this enough to make a run at a guy like Lackey? Could we also afford to bring in a guy like Abreu on a one year deal? I think they are both currently projected as type B free agents, although both are on the fringe between B and A. The obvious added bonus in signing either player is the damage it does to the Angels, while also addressing our greatest needs (legit TORP and OBP minded DH).
Links:
Scott Lucas' Rule 5 eligibles...
Scott Lucas' Rangers Organizational Depth Chart...
BBTiA's June 40 Man Roster Opinions...
Cot's Rangers Contracts Page...
MLBTR's List of 2010 Free Agents
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We need to trade for Milton Bradley
and ask the Cubs to pick up half his salary.
by Agreen07 on Aug 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i've been thinking the same thing
it seems like he could be had for cheap even with the cubs picking up half the salary
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by blalock84 on Aug 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be all for it except
that I rather have Smoak/Davis as the 1B/DH combo.
by Coolbean04 on Aug 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be all for it except
He really threw the org under the bus when he left. I would think some of the players here would like to punch him.
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 7, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? How?
I
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by DJCahill on Aug 7, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had some sharp quotes
but I don’t think it was anything that the org wouldn’t forgive if they got him at a good value. He will probably have some sharp words for sweet Lou when he leaves Chi…that’s sort of his MO.
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by clark on Aug 7, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that said
I don’t want him.
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by clark on Aug 7, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was good here
but he basically quit the second half of the season last year because he had a couple nagging injuries and he didn’t want his numbers to go down so that he could get a big contract. Let the Cubs have him.
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by kentbenfer on Aug 7, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the Rangers being...
very active this offseason.
They will probably go after Sheets if he shows he’s healthy enough. Maybe a couple veteran filler types that will be cheap like they did with Vizquel and Jones. Abreu would be a great guy to go after depending on the cost. Stay the hell away from Lackey though imo.They will probably need a utility IFer, not sure if Omar would be willing to come back and play that role for another season.
Again the catching situation could be interesting with Salty, TT, MaxRam, and Pina has to be added to the 40 or he could be lost.
The ownership situation will be interesting to follow as well. Just not sure the Rangers are going to be willing to spend a lot of money in the offseason.
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by slc ranger on Aug 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be interested in offering Bedard a one yr incentive laden deal
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by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rich Harden
I’d make a run at him as well.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those are guys you can't count on, but are worth the rist
since when they pitch, they are lights out.
I’d rather go for Harden. Bedard may have surgery on his shoulder soon, so who knows whats gonna happen there.
We still have the option to go after Sheets. We don’t lose a draft pick there, but I figure he will be a hot commodity this offseason. What would be nice is if we signed sheets as this season winds down, and don’t wait for the offseason.
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by NothinG on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you should be able to get him with a base contract around $6 million which go up to around $10 with incentives
There is a very good chance that the Mariners will not offer him Arbitration, saving you a pick as well.
If the club is feeling frisky, they might be able to sign 2 of the Bedard/Harden/Sheets triumvirate with the money Muddy Puddy frees up – without giving up any picks
by Telegraph on Aug 7, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know you can never have too much pitching
but this sort of feeds into what i said in the OP. It isn’t a matter of quantity for this team any more. I feel pretty confident this team can field a rotation that stacks up with any other team in slots 2-5. What is missing at this point, honestly, is the ace. That said, we don’t have “ace” payroll availability here, so we may have to take our chances, as we have done for the past 3-4 years, with a guy whose raw ability excedes his dollar sign because of injuries or other issues.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Hollandaise and Feliz should get there in quality eventually, but not immediately. After that, we have a bunch of 3-5 guys: Hunter, Feldman, Willmood, Nippert, Moscoso, The Zombie brothers of BMac and Hurley. Each one of those are ML-level pitchers if healthy, so there is depth.
Meanwhile, before the next wave of prospects comes up and Feliz/Holland establish themselves, it’s a good idea to set aside about $10 miilion/yr in the portable ace fund to sign people like Bedard until we are able to get a true ace through trade. If it doesn’t work, just imagine that we donated that money to feed starving children in Africa.
by Telegraph on Aug 7, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd rather have Sheets
than Bedard or Harden at this point, unless he is just totally done. I know there isn’t much evidence for this, but I have a feeling he is basically a Ranger next year. JD is really good about keeping things under wraps. I also think we already have a deal in place with Purke, for what its worth.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Bedard is a pussy, don't forget that.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 7, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he'd be interested in not even thinking about considering accepting your offer.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 7, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
you think teams are going to be rushing to offer a multi-year deal to a guy that has pitched 81 and 83 innings the last 2 years?
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by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't the mariners
just match that deal? A better OF defense, a more pitcher friendly park and still some residual interest in seeing the whole Eric Bedard experience work out?
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by FirebatM3 on Aug 7, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
of Webb, Harden, Bedard and Sheets, I think we easily have the best shot at Sheets. In fact, I would put the odds on us signing him at over 50% at this point. We have been flirting for too long, and now we’re even a legit baseball team!
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle hasn't really worked out that great for Bedard, has it?
I don’t see why he’d give them any preference over Texas. Didn’t the former GM basically call him out for being a pussy last season?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I don’t see why he’d give them any preference over Texas
If you’re on a one-year deal trying to re-establish value, would you rather pitch at Safeco or TBiA?
Didn’t the former GM basically call him out for being a pussy last season?
Yes. Although I’m not sure why he’d hold Bavasi’s retarded comments against current management.
by LiamP on Aug 7, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be interested to see if the club approaches CJ and/or FX2 with multi yr extensions
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankie eligible for FA after next season, CJ after 2011.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Id say 3/12 mil for both should do the trick. Although Frankie is getting up there in age if I recall so you may not want to tie yourself down too long with him especially with his injury history
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by bigsteve on Aug 7, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grabow interests me
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Aug 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign one of Webb/Harden/Bedard
Could be had for cheap because of the injury issues with them.
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by sprite on Aug 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this about sums up
what we need to do… throw Sheets in there as well
also, I’d like to see if we can get a decent discount on ole Marmot Byrd…
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by dstar442005 on Aug 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if our staff next year was:
Webb
Harden
Bedard
Sheets
Holland
And we just promised all the Hunters/McCarthy’s/etc that they would be up soon enough. That couldn’t cost more than 25M guaranteed. If we can sit Milly’s option doesn’t vest, this is my solution (but not really at all).
Would be fun, though
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would be fun
is watching them all pitch well until June, then start watching the injuries mount up, and then have a patch work rotation by August, when it really matters.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a terrible idea, granted
but the “patchwork rotation by August” would consist of:
Holland, Feldman, Hunter, McCarthy, and Harrison
so yeah…. kind of the plan anyway
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did Millwood go?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he;d be the one person we'd have to let go for my genious plan
but he’s not exactly been leading the team during our current playoff run
i’m not really sure why we’re arguing over my joke proposal, but it’s fun
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't Arizona take that one year option on Webb?
With the buyout it amounts to around 6million.
That’s a plenty good bargain for a guy like Webb on a one year deal.
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by thedirkatron on Aug 7, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one guy who mildly interests me
is Brad Penny. His stats this year aren’t too good on the surface, but his FIP is respectable and he’s a groundball pitcher playing in front of the worst defense in baseball and pitching in the best offensive division in baseball. Coming to a much improved defense and pitching in a weaker offensive division, I could see him becoming an inning eating middle of the rotation guy again. Of course, he’s a “coast” guy who will probably want to move back to the NL, so this is a long shot.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brad Penny is from Oklahoma or Arkansas
I forget which.
Not that there’s a difference.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 7, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
i guess i could have just looked that up. it seemed like he had no interest in pitching for a midwest team last offseason. maybe he will expand his options after this clunker of a season.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 8, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another position player option
could be a trade for David DeJesus. He had a down year offensively while playing in the hell that is KC, but he is usually a solid bat and one of the best defensive OFs in the league. Any OF with DeJesus and Cruz would be a huge asset, with Borbon potentially playing CF and Hamilton rotating with DeJesus and Cruz for the DH spot to give them all periodic rests.
I wonder if KC would trade him for David Murphy straight up (who is the cheaper player and controlled for a longer period), or perhaps for Murphy and someone like Kirkman or one of the other fringe 40 guys we have.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
After the year Murph is putting up I don't want to trade him
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by bigsteve on Aug 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me either, at least not for DeJesus
Murphy will be 28 next season and DD will be 30 and considerably more expensive.
And Murphy has a .818 career OPS, guess how many times DeJesus has bested that in his six full ML seasons?
Zero.
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by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after looking at Dejesus's numbers
I had pegged him as a better OBP guy, and he’s not. I still love what he brings defensively, and after watching how much of a difference defense can make to a pitching staff this year, I am completely sold on building a strong defensive team.
Speaking of the Royals, is it time to think about using our minor league depth to try to pluck away someone like Soria? He’s cheap through 2014, so he won’t come cheap in a trade, but a bullpen with Frankie, Wilson and Soria is a thing of beauty.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets vs Harden
If Rich Harden will accept a one or two year deal he is the guy I would rather have. But if he won’t then I say go 1 year 4 mil with incentives that could bump it up to 9 mil for Sheets with a team option that fully vests at 180 innings and partially vests at 120 innings. Fully vesting option would be for 12 million and a partially vested option would be for 6 mil with incentives that could bump it to 12 mil.
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by bigsteve on Aug 7, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden
So frail that he can’t throw the slider anymore, limiting him to the FB/CH (although they are tremendous pitches). Increased FIP/tRA, increased FB%, huge jump in HRs (20 already this year) and he’s coming from the junior league.
I would pass.
by LiamP on Aug 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Daniels
will try and find the next buy-low candidate who can come in here on a one-year-deal and turn things around. My guess for this offseason right now would be Carlos Delgado.
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by kentbenfer on Aug 7, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's not a bad guess
he is a guy we’ve wanted in the past, and he’d be an ideal DH to mitigate the injury risk. He’s only a year removed from a very solid offensive year. I actually really like this suggestion. Abreu is my first choice, but he’s played well enough to get paid handsomely this winter, so that probably takes us out.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delgado had a good start to the season, too
but he won’t want to potentially be a bench-bat
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won't have to be
he will essentially take Blalock’s place as our DH and backup 1B.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
if the org didn’t want to go with a davis/smoak look
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak will start in AAA
and I have my doubts he’s up in September, despite what Jamey says (or what Jamey says JD hinted at…I don’t really remember). Why not just bring Davis back up and leave Smoak off the 40 all summer?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I trust the org's decision
they seem to have made all the right call-ups
But the argument to bring up Smoak would be that he is really freaking good and we need some OBP help
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 Rule 5 list is scary
there is no way we protect all those players.
it may work itself out by then. I’m thinking Engel Beltre is a bust unless he shows something ‘real’
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by NothinG on Aug 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's why i think we'll see some trades
where we offer some quantity for quality types to teams like SD and KC, or any other team that needs to restock its farm and has some room on the 40.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
is still only like 20 years old right, if that? Still way too early to call him a bust.
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by kentbenfer on Aug 7, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance at Vlad coming in to DH?
Ballpark might entice him. How much would he cost?
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're on a roll of bad ideas today.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 7, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
i had a few drinks at lunch, really brings out the John Hart in me
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I'm jealous
(about the drinking part)
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intern with a criminal defense firm sometime
they run a really tight ship (sarcasm)
by BuckyB on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know asking the question
is baseless because it isn’t rooted in reality, but if we replaced MY’s defense at 3B with Adrien Beltre’s, would we be the best defensive team in baseball?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
likely
I think it would depend on what kind of defense we get in CF next year. Come to think about it, I think there is a good chance we have the best defensive team in baseball next year even with the statue at third, if Borbon lives up to the hype as a plus CF defender.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 7, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i think could be done is put Beltre there and just move MY into the DH role
i am very skeptical if not totally uncomfortable with trusting Smoak and Davis can both step into the DH/1B roles and be productive. I think one of them will struggle come next year if they are both playing full time at the ML level
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by blalock84 on Aug 8, 2009 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were to fall out of contention...
Do you think it would be wise to sit Millwood to save that 12 Million? Could we better spend that money in free agency/trades than on millwood? If there were some good deals for a guy that would be here for 3-5 years I’d rather do that then just hang on to millwood for one year.
by rangerjake on Aug 7, 2009 2:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
i've been talking about this for the last 3 months
but Millwood’s performance has basically made it to where there is zero chance he gets benched. That, and benching your #1 SP in the heat of a race for the playoffs would go over worse than a swine flu giveaway at the ballpark.
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by willamos2 on Aug 7, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might try asking him to take a pay cut to help the team, but not bench him
Benching him is silly and shows a horrible commitment from the organization, and will probably scare away free agents worse than the heat does. Bad idea to even think about there.
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by utlonghorn24 on Aug 7, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the player's union
would be displeased, and I think future free agents would tell JD to “eat a dick”, as baseball players are wont to say. outside of that, i also think Millwood, as the only veteran secured to be a member of our pitching staff next year, should probably be kept around for that fact alone (and for his amazing ability to perform in contract years).
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 7, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, the union would kibosh that faster than Longhorn getting shot down at da club
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 7, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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