Forgiving Josh Hamilton

by PacMan321 on Aug 8, 2009 6:45 PM CDT Comment 35 comments

Just found this article and I thought you all would enjoy.

It's called "Forgiving Josh Hamilton," and basically just says how the guy is a human being and deserves to be forgiven for his actions.

Dont know how all of you feel, but I seriously, genuinely feel for the guy. Addiction is something that's part of everyone's lives, even if it doesn't impact them directly.

Either way, here's the link: http://www.aarontorres-sports.com/?p=846

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I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Aug 8, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

it is funny how if the media members like you

they will ask people to forgive. and if they don’t, they will tear you to shreds and not let the story die.

i don’t disagree with forgiveness

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 8, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep

it is funny how if the media members like you

they will ask people to forgive. and if they don’t, they will tear you to shreds and not let the story die.

See: Young, Michael

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's funny how media and fans think it's somehow their place to "forgive" someone like Hamilton

It is none of our business to forgive him. His wife, family, and teammates can do that, but it’s not our place. I hope for him to live well and stay sober, but I cannot condemn or forgive him.

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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think he owes me an apology anyway. He had a great year last year, very entertaining to watch. I hope he can come back from his struggles thisyear at the plate. Not even a Rangers fan. I find the whole story kinda funny.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

addiction to any substance, be it alcohol or drugs(same thing, really)

is cunning, baffling and powerful. In every recovery, there will come a time where is no mental defense against that first drink, snort or whatever. When that horrible moment comes, his only defense is his spiritual well-being and his willingness to call someone (like a sponsor)before the slip can occur.
I’ve had 3 “friends” blow their brains out after several years of sobriety after slipping, rather that face the horror of falling into that hellhole again.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Aug 8, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tough for me to blame anyone`

for getting into a situation where they are licking whip cream off a nice rack.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 8, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah. Looks like forgiveness from his wife is the only thing to consider here.

I wonder how he described it to her before the pictures came out.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 8, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I stopped drinking in April '08

I don’t have any real temptation to drink (though I’m around people drinking all the time) and don’t see any situation where I’d end up drinking in the future.

Of course, I also have a tendency to look down on people, and not drinking gives me something to look down on other people (drinkers) about. I don’t know.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 8, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Did you also stop smoking crack at any point in time?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 8, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

years and years ago.

But I only smoked crack once, so, you know.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 8, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you stop on your own terms, meaning you aren't an alcoholic, temptation isn't a problem.

If you are, the temptation(obsession, craving) is always lurking, waiting to rear its ugly head with the notion of “it’s been a while, I’ve got this beat, I can handle it this time”. So it is with other addictions as well. March ’06 for me.

by randyd on Aug 8, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to the assessments...

that I had to take, I am an alcoholic.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 8, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am, and freely admit it, nor am I ashamed of it.

It’s just what I am and always will be. Doesn’t mean I have to participate in my own destruction anymore, though. Lots of people knew it before I did.

by randyd on Aug 8, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point is...

that a lot of “recovery” programs / literature focus on this victimology, which I don’t think is particularly helpful.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 8, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure I get the meaning of "victimology" as you used it.

Are you saying that, as in AA referring to alcoholism as a disease, and those who suffer from it are “victims” of said disease?

by randyd on Aug 8, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think...

that AA and similar programs encourage an unhealthy mindset, wherein addicts are taught to wear their addictions as lifestyle accessories and obsess over the recovery process, essentially replacing an addiction for alcohol with an addiction to self-pity.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 9, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not from my experience with it.

Self-pity is one of the things that will get you called out, at least in my experience. Very little tolerance for it. It’s seen as a trap that will bite you in the ass. Rather than wallowing in a problem and feeling sorry for yourself, get busy working to find a solution is the advice I’ve heard most often.
It worked for me when I had absolutely no hope of doing it on my own, but there are other ways of skinning the cat. I just couldn’t find one.

by randyd on Aug 9, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

People that work in addiction counselling...

and corrections tend to think AA is really the only option. But statistics show that it really doesn’t have any better success than other things.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 9, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably not any better than others, but still....

when dealing with an addiction, the most important part is finding something that works. As for the “choice” book below, I chose to drink, but I didn’t choose to be an alcoholic. In fact, the problem was that I lost the ability to choose when and how much I drank. Whether I was genetically pre-disposed to it or I inflicted it upon myself doesn’t matter.
As for those who really know about(as the book claims), I and most of the people I know spent a lot of time and/or money lying our asses off to those very same people.
Just my experience-it worked for me, but doesn’t for others.

by randyd on Aug 9, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have a friend named Crazy Ryan...

who’s schizophrenic. I’ve known him for 20 some odd years. I was talking to his dad a while back because he just recently quit smoking, and he told me that the way he quit was by smoking weed every time he wanted a cigarette. He said he didn’t get much done for 2 or 3 weeks, but now he doesn’t smoke cigarettes.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 9, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's funny

gotta get to bed-son has tryouts tomorrow, so it will be a full day.
In reading the reviews, several mentioned the author’s insistence that one needs to find and address the underlying causes, on fixing the living problem-on that he and AA are in total agreement.
I disagree with what I could glean from the reviews about his claims about powerlessness and lack of control, but I’ll leave that for another day.
goodnight Ben, and thanks for the conversation!

by randyd on Aug 9, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

The “disease model of addiction” is seriously flawed. Here is link to a book on the topic called “Addiction is a Choice” by Jeffrey A. Schaler :

http://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Choice-Ph-D-Jeffrey-Schaler/dp/081269404X

by Ben's Girlfriend on Aug 9, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't you create...

a username that was your actual name?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 9, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haven't read that, but

I lean that way, too. You choose how to deal with difficulties in your life, life doesn’t just happen to you like Malaria might.

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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Josh Hamilton doesn't owe me any sort of apology.

Thus, I don’t feel like he needs my forgiveness.

"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009

by ghtd36 on Aug 8, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 8, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He just

isn’t meant to be a role model.

by miles on Aug 8, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't like athletes as role models mostly, but

I would think a guy who struggles to overcome personal difficulties honestly is a good role model.

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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forgiving Vicente Padilla

Oh, sorry…wrong blog…different standards.

by Clueless on Aug 9, 2009 2:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Forgiveness requires repentance

no such thing has happened with Padilla.

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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In the religious sense...

i.e., making right with god according to doctrine, repentance is required. But I’m not aware of any repentance requirement for forgiveness in any other context.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 9, 2009 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, just use the word contrition or something

it’s the same principle. Padilla denied he had done anything wrong, so why would anyone forgive him? Hamilton owned up to it and said how sorry he was he had hurt his family and teammates. Padilla said he didn’t understand why the team was mad at him and denied he was a bad teammate.

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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hit post too soon

I suppose people can forgive someone anyway, but if you’re pissed at someone who wronged you, you usually would like for them to at least say they’re sorry first.

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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs