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by Adam J. Morris on Aug 9, 2009 5:06 PM CDT
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Some things I loved about this game
- The obvious, Holland coolly and efficiently dispatching the hottest offense in baseball, in a game that might have been even better than the 10 K start,
- Borbon, after looking foolish previously, making an already fatiguing Lackey throw a bunch of pitches before getting a hit in the 7th, forcing LAA to go to the bullpen earlier than they wished. LAA plays tomorrow while TX enjoys a day off.
- And, best of all, it really looks like TX is inside the heads of the Angels. LAA looked flustered out there today. I love that, as hot as they’ve been lately, they must have the feeling that a team they can’t seem to beat very often is just not going away and they seem a bit harried.
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by t ball on Aug 9, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Yes. This.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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Another thing
Lackey threw a shit ton of pitches today. I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him have a rocky next start
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Absolutely
kind of what I was getting at with the Borbon comment. I was thrilled when they left him in there even longer after that.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
The most ever in the Scocia era.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
maybe he can join his friend Joe on the DL...
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
SICK NASTY!!!!!!!
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
sexy to the dutch degree
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
x
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
In the most important game of the year
Doc Holland goes to Anaheim and cuts the balls off the local team in front of their friends & family.
Awesome and a true statement.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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by Maximilian on Aug 9, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Derek Holland...
Tickles my pickle.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
Game Score for Doc
88.
Think that’s the best of the year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
How can you overstate what a
clutch, big time start that was? If they lose today they’re six back in the loss column. Best offense in the league in their park, facing Lackey. Amazing.
Again.
96 pitch 3 hit CG SO. How often does a pitcher go 9 innings and not get over a 100 pitches?
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
i've never seen this
what is this so shining thing?
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
And he came off the mound after strking out Guerrero
as if he’d posted a dozen games like that one already in his career.
What a fantastic performance.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
It doesn't happen very often.
Kenny Rogers did it in his perfect game and I’m sure it’s been done a bunch of times since then, but certainly not too often. Hell there aren’t even a lot of CG’s anymore to begin with.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought Greinke did it to us this year
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
rare
Greg Maddux did it a shit load back in the day. Chris Carpenter likes to do it too. Scrubs don’t do it often. Someone needs to research this. STAT.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's that fork now?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
That fork is Holland's foot
and he broke it off in the Angels ass.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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TAG does not give a shit about any fork
by RyanBlueThunder on Aug 9, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone have audio/video of him saying that?
I missed it
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Aug 9, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, the Ticket has it now.
I hope TAG doesn’t get in too much trouble.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I'd rather take the Wild Card
and face the Angles in the ALCS
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Give me the West
And let the Angles have the wild card. Take revenge on Detroit in the ALDS, then get the Angels in the ALCS.
by Outworlder47 on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
If the Rangers win the division
Maybe LAAAA can beat NYY in the 1st round. Rangers would have home-field advantage so they might even be able to get past DET.
day b4 trade deadline and after so far, Derek Holland>doc
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
We're in this Thang
It is still uphill, but we are gettinng toward the middle of August and we are still there
Just heard...
that Holland got a shaving creme pie in the face during his TV interview. Wish I could’ve seen that.
Just did. C.J. got him.
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
heh
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
by inactive lsb user on Aug 9, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just showed it
Looks like it was CJ that did it to him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Did Hamilton lick it off?
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Aug 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
strong
:-)
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Strong to quite strong
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
GJ
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
it was awesome
a “drive by”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is Holland smoking a cigarette and blowing smoke rings at the ceiling?
by davea on Aug 9, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And the Angles are moaning something about
“no lube”…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
The Cult of Derek Holland
that needs to be the tag line IMO
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I think some college students with no time on their hands should form a "Dutch Harbor" in the outfield
Maybe they could all dress up as fishermen and catch KKKKKKKrab.
Or
Dress up in 17th-century garb, smoke cigars, and be the “Dutch Masters.”
Officially gay for Neftali Feliz
I am so happy right now
There is like, seriously, a tear in the corner of my eye. What a fucking game Holland pitched.
Just because
Officially gay for Neftali Feliz
by RCCook on Aug 9, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
For Rev.
"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.
by inactive lsb user on Aug 9, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
And yes, it’s painful, but necessary.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Chew on this...we just might face the Angels at some point in the playoffs...
think our guys might have the edge?
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
i'll take being in the race in September
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Did Derek Holland...
Grow up right before our eyes today?
The magnitude of that performance today CANNOT be overstated…
2 out of 3
no question he’s pitching at a playoff-caliber level
by Sherman McCoy on Aug 9, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Derek Holland this season to the Rangers
is what John Lackey’s rookie season to the Angels?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
N41D is the registration assigned by the FAA to a Gulfstream aircraft...I thought you might have an aviation connection.
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
I think it stands for Nowitzki 41 Dallas
I could be wrong though…and I really don’t know why I’m answering for him
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
That’s OT.
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
by rangerdanger on Aug 10, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously.
The clutchness of his performance today was very, very important. Says a lot about the kid that he can walk into a game and throw the numbers he put up today in the middle of a pennant race, facing the team that his is chasing. Good grief I love this kid.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
It's a celebration, bitches
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Aug 9, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ya know
the producer of that show is the ambassador to France?
by GregoryM on Aug 9, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Will Holland be the Ace next season?
Or will he still have ups and downs? I’m thinking it’ll be the former.
Latter
He’s still very young. He’ll definitely be better next season than he is now, but he’ll have ups and downs.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 9, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll probably get there by the end of this season
by knuckleball03 on Aug 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, his FIP is around there if not below that after today despite
a very inflated HR/FB rate
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
i wouldnt go there yet...
but i think its possible… this kid has ace quality stuff and will only get better.
He and Feliz will both have ups and downs next year, I suspect
However, in Holland’s case, I’m betting there will be more ups than downs.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by LSJ on Aug 9, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
how bout we make a move so that he's our 3 or 4?
by Sherman McCoy on Aug 9, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be surprised if we don't sign sheets
nothings changed since we signed him this offseason, other than the rangers looking like a better team to be on.
the preceding post was a great success.
I don't think it's a big deal either way.
Sheets isn’t going to cost that much, having not pitched for a year and coming off of an injury. With Sheets, the rotation will be something like Sheets/Millwood/Feldman/Holland/Hunter with (hopefully) Feliz back as a starter in OKC and Harrison/McCarthy/Nippert/Moscoso ready in case of injuries.
Even if Sheets sucks, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think the Rangers may be adequately covered. Sheets being effective for even half a season would be a massive bonus.
Pitching Bukkake!
holy shit that’s a lot of quality arms.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And honestly, most of those guys would go well in the bullpen.
Especially McCarthy. He’s a good pitcher for 3 innings, and would make an excellent long man. If you think about having pitchers of that caliber in the bullpen, it makes our staff scary good.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
McCarthy is no longer a starter
he cannot stay healthy
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Why send Feliz back to OKC?
AJM convinced my that Feliz should be a starter. He’ll be 22 next year and he’s a power pitcher—time for the big leagues
Because he lost a TON of SP development time this year.
He only pitched like 40-50 innings as a starter in OKC and he’s only going to end up with something like 65-75 IP this year.
and then have him
pitch a couple of months in AAA
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Yep
Plus you may be able to squeez that extra year of team control out of him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You'd have to keep him in the minors through June at least
Not sure the exact date, but you pretty much need him in the minors for 3 months or so if you want to sneak that extra season out of him. I don’t see that happening.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yeah its a longshot
But if our starters next year stayed healthy and productive and if Feliz stumbled moving back to a starter it could happen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I still don't see how Feliz doesn't make the rotation out of ST
Send him to instructs or winter ball to give him more innings. Then, as long as he has a strong ST (I believe he will), he guarantees himself a spot in the rotation. The Rangers have had no problems with pushing their talent.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I want him down a few months.
Longoria’ing him while we shiffle through some of many options for 5th starter makes a ton of sense.
Plus, there are things the dude legitimately could use some work on.
He’s still a bit raw.
No need to put him in the rotation out of ST unless he absolutely forces you to do so.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
I agree here
I have no problem with him spending a few months in AAA next year if it means it’ll benefit him as a SP. His FB is legit and he just needs some work on the secondary stuff to be ready.
secondary stuff
holding runners, not tipping his pitches, fielding his position…
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
All stuff that he will be better of learning in the Majors
How many times is he going to allow runners on in AAA? He won’t see a tipped pitch get punished nearly as often in OKC as he would with the ML team. Its a learning experience and its best for him to get that out of the way as soon as possible.
Plus, I think people are underrating his secondary stuff just like with Holland earlier in the year. Yes, they aren’t perfect or up to their full potential yet, but they are still solid pitches right now. He just needs more reps with those pitches which he can get up in the Majors.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think Feliz will be that good that he forces the decision
I also don’t think its a good idea for the Rangers right now to worry about the 5th starter options. Get the highest ceiling guys in the rotation which means Feliz gets the edge over other potential rotation options.
IF we sign Sheets in the rotation, the guaranteed spots go to Sheets, Millwood, Feldman, and Holland. There are some nice options for that final spot, but I think you have to stick with Feliz and let him develop in the Majors. Otherwise, there’s not much left for him to do in the minors other than be able to dominate.
So sorry to guys like Hunter, Nippert, McCarthy, etc. They’ll eventually get their shot, but they’ll have to wait in the minors or the bullpen for that to happen.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
still telegraphs his slider
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Yeah
At times it has looked like a really good pitch though. You guys are probably right and he could use a little more time pitching in the rotation at AAA, I just really like what I’m seeing from him so far. We’ll see how the numbers look at the end of the season, I really can’t say at this point what I’d rather do. I could see an argument for either situation.
A couple at bats so far guys have just fouled off several fastballs in a row before being put out
ML hitters can hit a fastball as Adam freaking Kennedy showed us. He either needs to get confidence in his secondary stuff or it needs to get better.
If he switches back to a starter he needs to spend a month or two in OKC to start next season
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't see the point of rushing him to the rotation
He’s only going to be 22 next year. Let him actually get a good run of games at OKC, and put him at the front of the line when someone gets hurt.
yeah
but maybe not at the very beginning of the year. Got a lot of other arms.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
AJM doesn't need to convince you of that
if Feliz can get 6+ innings per start, he should definitely be a starter…just watching the way he toys with batters, when he finally learns how to sequence those pitches correctly, he’s going to be really fun to watch.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Goddamn Sheets
Tired of injured pitchers. Get someone in here who isn’t fucking hurt. Yeah it costs more but maybe there will be new ownership by then.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well who is that exactly?
Giving 100 and something mil to lackey?
Sheets certainly isn’t some guaranteed ace right now, but I’d be glad to have him around for the relatively small deal he will command.
Id rather have sheets than an expensive mediocre guy or just 100% going with the inhouse options. If we get ownership to buy someone good then sure.
the preceding post was a great success.
and it is pretty funny that lackey sticks out as the best healthy FA pitcher..
when hes missed big chunks of the last two seasons, more than sheets was the couple years before he got knocked out for 09.
the preceding post was a great success.
yea, just take the risk with Sheets
if he’s healthy, he’s probably gonna be a well above average pitcher if he isnt, we’ll have plenty of depth
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
The thing with Sheets
He won’t sign here unless guaranteed a spot in the rotation. The Rangers are deep enough RIGHT NOW not to do that. If he’d sign without that guarantee, given the Rangers’ history they’d give him a rotation spot anyway.
I dont’ know about Lackey. Maybe they can pry Halladay from Toronto for cheaper this winter. Never know what they’ll come up with.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
A healthy Ben Sheets is guaranteed to earn a spot in the rotation.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
and rightfully so
If the dude’s healthy then he’s as good as Lackey at least and a helluva lot cheaper.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
when is the last time he took the mound?
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why you have good options in the minors
They aren’t as good as Sheets but if Sheets goes down they are right there and you don’t miss much of a beat
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You said he'd be as good as Lackey.
When in reality he hasn’t pitched in FOREVER and nobody knows what he would end up looking like. I’d rather them stay away from him and acquire someone who’s healthy, via trade most likely. That way they can keep slots open in the rotation for guys who earn their way into it.
If Sheets would sign a minor league deal or agree to pitch out of the pen first, I’d have no problem with it. But that’s not how it will go down and the chances are good, believe it or not, that he would be a complete waste of time.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said he'd be as good as Lackey
But when healthy he is better than anyone on the Rangers right now. If you sign him you give him a rotation spot and as long as he is healthy he has that spot. If he gets hurt, which is a good possibility, then you go down to your minor leagues and grab one of your guys down there. And with our depth we have those guys down there aren’t gonna be the likes of Sidney Ponson or Kris Benson anymore. They are gonna be ML quality sgtarting pitching. Not as good as the guy they are replacing but good enough where you aren’t worried about dipping into the minors for someone.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No
Even if technically healthy there’s a good chance he’s never the same pitcher again. You’re not guaranteed a damn thing with this guy and that’s my point.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no guarantee that Roy Halladay won't go down
with a career-ending injury tomorrow, either. Guarantees are somewhat beside the point.
What do you estimate are the chances that, if healthy, Sheets will/won’t be an effective starter next season?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I have absolutely no idea
about how sheets would pitch, like I said. That’s why I said I’d stay away from him. Get someone who’s MORE LIKELY to contribute and contribute a lot, even if it costs a lot. I know there are risks. There are always risks.
BigSteve was throwing out definitive statements like “…but when healthy he is better than anyone on the Rangers right now” and I have seen nothing to suggest that.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You've seen nothing to suggest that?
When healthy over the last 5 years he has never posted an ERA over 3.89
ERA+’s of 162, 128, 119, 117, and 139 during that span.
When healthy Ben Sheets is one of the best pitchers in the league much less on the Rangers
The question becomes…is he healthy. Which if we decide to give him a contract I would assume we feel he is healthy.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Let me clarify.
His 2008 was pretty damn good. For three years in a row before that he missed lots and lots of time.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d love to have the guy around. What I wouldn’t like to see is he being handed a rotation spot just because he’s the vaunted Ben Sheets.
This is not a pitching starved organization anymore. No matter what happens this year, in 2010 they are bona fide contenders, and teams like that do not hand over rotation spots to guys who didn’t even pitch the year before. This team is loaded with minor league talent and they’re not all headed for the 25 man roster. The price will be high but go after someone who has pitched the last few years and has been good. Someone that deserves a rotation spot. Someone there aren’t as many questions about.
You, apparently, don’t have many questions about Sheets. Forgive me but I’m just not so sure about him stepping right back into the game and regaining his old form.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheets
For three years in a row before that he missed lots and lots of time.
We agree he has missed significant time in his career.
My point is that when he has been on the mound he has been one of the best in the league. Better than anyone on the Rangers right now.
If the Rangers feel he is healthy and give him a contract he gets a rotation spot. Then if he gets hurt, like is very possible, you go grab a Harrison or McCarthy or Feliz from the minors and you don’t have that big a drop in production.
I have complete faith that if he is healthy he will be like the Sheets from the rest of his career. Thats why the question is…..is he healthy? If the answer is yes then you pencil him in your rotation no questions asked
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Never said he wasn't good.
He’s always been kind of fragile but he’s never had to miss a whole year before and you’re ready to pencil him in. After missing so much time yeah I do have questions and lots of them.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Rangers deem him healthy enough to give a contract to
Then I am ready to give him a rotation spot…yes
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You still haven't stated who's more likely to contribute,
and whom the Rangers could reasonably acquire.
Lackey you’ve said you’re not sure is worth his likely cost, if I’m reading your post correctly.
The alternative you’ve suggested seems to be to acquire Halladay more cheaply this winter, which would be great if Texas could pull it off ~ but, of course, they’d be competing with quite a few other teams for his services, and there’s still that sticky no-trade clause issue.
Who (else) strikes you as more likely to contribute than a healthy Ben Sheets?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
There are other trade candidates aside from Royden Halladay.
Javy Vazquez could be on the market, as could a number of other dudes.
Are the Cubs tired of Zambrano’s fuckatarded antics?
Kazmir, Guthrie, Garland, Dug Davis, Brett Myers, Carl Pavano, Nolasco, Cain, Hudson, etc. etc. etc.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
Javier Vazquez
Meh.
Garland or Doug Davis? Both free agents, neither guys I’d be interested in bringing here.
Carl Pavano? Super bleah.
Nolasco? Sure.
Guthrie? Meh.
Myers is a headcase.
Kazmir looks like he may be hurt.
Most of the guys on that list, you’d be bringing in someone just to bring in someone, not because they’re going to be your TORP.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 9, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
BA HA H AH HA AHAHAHA HAHAHA!
Javier Vazquez
Meh.
BWA HA H AH AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
I mean…. BA HA HA H AH AHAHAHAHA!!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
He turns 34 next year
He’s having a career year. But he seems better suited to the N.L., particularly given his history of being homer-prone.
Let’s put it this way…if we could get him, that would be fine, but I don’t see him as a missing piece or a legit #1.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 9, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He prefers to play in the East Coast
Remember when he was traded to Arizona and bitched his way out?
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
Javier Vazquez
has been a stud this year
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Theres plenty of options out there
Problem is to get those guys you have to give up that depth we have. And since just like theres no guarantee Sheets can stay healthy theres no guarantee anyone can stay healthy.
I don’t think anyone you listed is enough of an upgrade over what we currently project to have to lose a chunk of the depth that I feel will be the thing that helps us out the most next year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's a laundry list.
While I don’t necessarily agree with all of Adam’s evaluations, picking on his assessment of Javier Vazquez misses his larger point ~ with which I largely agree.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Yes, I was just throwing out a list of all sorts of possiblities.
No one in their right mind could think I was listing those guys all as TORG’s.
Just throwing out a bunch of names to illustrate the ridiculous amount of choices available in an off season.
Adam’s point is fine, but since it’s refuting a point I wasn’t trying to make (a specialty with him) I don’t know how me picking on his fucktarded analysis of Vazquez is unfair in the slightest.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
I didn't say it was unfair.
I agree there are a ton of guys the Rangers could go after. My question to Black Francis was who was more likely to contribute than a healthy Ben Sheets, among the guys the Rangers could reasonably acquire.
Once we’ve established that, we can go on to consider and compare those guys’ prices, and that’ll help determine if going after Sheets is as bad an idea as Black Francis seems to think it is.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
And his question to you is, "The fuck makes you think Sheets is gonna be (and stay) healthy?"
There aren’t many dudes who can contribute as much as a fully healthy Ben Sheets, but that’s like me saying I’m breaking up with my girlfriend cause the sex isn’t as good as it would be if I got Jessica Alba all naked and greased up and chained to the wall in my basement…. that’s a pretty bad play by me, cause there’s a very slight chance I’m gonna be able to get Jessica Alba all naked and greased up and chained to the wall in my basement.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
Assume Rangers wouldn't sign Sheets
unless he’s healthy. There are two questions:
(1) How do the Rangers project him to perform?
(2) How do the Rangers project him in terms of future health?
Your interesting Jessica Alba scenario aside.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I sign him and hope for 120 innings.
You take 120 innings of a healthy Ben Sheets and combine that with 50-60 innings of Harrison/McCarthy/Nippert/Moscoso/Hurley/whomever, and you’ll still end up with a well above replacement pitcher.
The benefit is that it would cost you the same as a Jon Garland/Doug Davis/replacement level pitcher would.
well you wont get alba
with that attitude
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Well I think the first thing you have to determine
if you are the Rangers is whether Sheets is healthy or not. If he’s healthy does he look so damn good in workouts that you sign him and guarantee him a slot? If they make that determination I guess I’m fine with that. I mean it’s not going to be a deal that wrecks the organization or anything. However if it didn’t work and they’re fooling around with him until June, then it would hurt them in the standings.
Like I said I don’t know who I’d go after because I’m not a scout and I’m not a GM. As a fan I’d prefer to see them give up some depth to bring in someone who’s been healthy and effective.
I’ve never been one to talk about trades a lot. That’s a game I think is a waste of time and I just don’t get into it. But certainly there are guys out there and I sure wouldn’t mind them giving up quality to get quality. From what this team has shown they’re worth doing that.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree with your first paragraph.
In signing a healthy (for the sake of argument) Sheets to a one-year deal for 2010, for example, the Rangers would be taking both the risk that Sheets doesn’t perform well, and that he might get hurt again and waste their money.
The question is: what’s worth that risk? And is it outweighed by the (lack of) other options?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Well
…it’s not their money I’m worried about. I’ve been working on the assumption he wouldn’t cost much.
There are two things I’d like to see them go after this winter:
1. A healthy starting pitcher of high quality. There are options…it just depends on what they’re willing to give up. Bigger risk than Sheets in the long term.
2. A bat.
The team is that close to being very, very good and I’d like to see them go for it.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
From Cots,
Javier Vazquez
limited no-trade clause blocking deals to NL West & AL West clubs
He’s not coming here.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Plus he and his 10.02k/9 and 1.82 bb/9 are the suck!!!!
/AJM
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
Bit homer-prone,
but damn nice numbers.
And think of my fantasy team! ;)
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
He's certainly having himself a halfway decent year lol
I would be concerned with bringing him back to the AL though. Great K/BB ratios that get hurt by being HR prone. He’d come here and probably be a good number 2, but I wouldn’t want to pay the price to bring him here even if that no-trade clause wasn’t an issue.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Think we could get Josh Johnson
without giving up any of the big 4?
That's why they call them business sox
absolutely not
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
dirkatron's list isn't a bad one
I’m not going to scour the rosters but the main option I was thinking about was Zambrano. Really, though, since he was hurt badly enough to miss a whole year I’m thinking there are many, many, many guys who are more likely to contribute. Could be wrong but nobody knows. Nobody.
by Black Francis on Aug 9, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
OK.
I wouldn’t be a fan of the Rangers’ paying much to acquire Zambrano and his ~$18 million/year contract over the next three years. (And, of course, he also has a full no-trade clause, and he’s a pretty decent batter, so especially to come to the AL, you’d expect him to make waiving that clause cost you.)
But maybe, somehow, he comes cheaply in players returned to and salary paid by the Cubs.
My impression, though, is that you don’t want to debate individual players, and that our differences on Sheets tend to involve different hypothetical starting points.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
We already got rid of one looney in Padilla
We don’t need to add Zambrano’s crazy ass either. I don’t really see him as much of a team player either.
Well if thats the case
you aren’t guaranteed a damn thing with anyone then if you want to get technical.
If the Rangers deem Ben Sheets worthy of a contract then he is guaranteed a rotation spot because he is better than anyone currently on the Rangers roster.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yea, exactly, if we sign a pitcher, it needs to be someone who is gonna be really good if healthy
we have enough solid SP options that is pointless to just sign a solid healthy 3-5 SP.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
like who, Rich Harden, John Lackey, Eric Bedard
give me 25 starts from one of these guys and that is much better than any other pitcher spare can bring.
And, how many pitchers aren’t injury concerns, especially once they hit FA? There is always risk there.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Show my i.d. card to the border guard
The i.d. says I’m Captain Erik Bedard
Of the United Federation of Planets
But he don’t speak English anyway…
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 9, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody knows
that the world is full of…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Aroldis Chapman.
He and Neffy and can sit in OKC at the start if the season while Milly, Feldman, Der-Hol, Hunter and Harrison/McCarthy/Nippert/Random Vet churn out some early innings.
Then, as soon as a spot opens up… BOOM goes the mother fucking radar guns.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
Whats the word on that guy?
Is he basically just a FA? When can teams start going after him or signing him?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He's a FA as soon as his residency has become official.
No idea how that’s going, though to listen to people it’s pretty much assured to be done by the Winter, which is likely when he’ll sign.
I think 6yrs/50-60mm is what it’s gonna take.
The lightning in the arm is so huge.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
So...MFYs or bust then?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Que?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
He's questioning the Rangers capacity to sign Chapman.
Competing with, for example, the mother-fucking Yankees.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
As is every team in baseball with any sort of money to spend whatsoever.
He’s gonna be looking for a ML contract as opposed to a big bonus, so he should “only” cost 8-12 or so million a season, which is a big number, but not something a team couldn’t handle if they really loved him.
My guess is 6yrs/55mil.
But it may be more than that.
He’s got more potential than Dice-K, but there weren’t the same questions with Dice that there are about Chapman. Chapman is raw as hell and will need some minor league time.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
gatta ad them to the usual list of suspects now,
I suppose.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
OTL profiled him this morning
Turns out he’s in Barcelona. Wonder how hard it is to establish residency in Spain? You have to figure they went to Spain from the Netherlands for a reason. Also, he has his passport, which is a surprise and which is awesome for him.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Surely doesn't hurt
but his agent knows what he’s doing.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems to.
Stated he didn’t want Chapman in the DR because of the potential for harassment. My guess would be that Barcelona is a convenient Spanish-speaking spot for Chapman to hang out before he departs for points Stateside.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
My guess would be they went wherever he could get his papers pushed through the fastest.
Cause it’s all about getting himself declared a FA so he can sign this Winter and come to America.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
According to the ESPN article
here,
The next day, Chapman, Mejia, Pedro, Pedro’s father (who also knew Chapman) and a bodyguard squeezed into a car and drove 22 hours straight through France to get to Barcelona, stopping only for meals.
What a sight it was for people along the French countryside to see dark-skinned Latino men hop out of a car to ask for a place to eat. Chapman chuckles at the thought of it. For those precious moments, freedom tasted like a baguette.
It was official: Chapman was a free agent.
That could well be wrong ~ maybe he needs to do something else in Spain? ~ but it suggests Chapman’s already a free agent.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
The more I look at this,
the more it seems like a rhetorical device. Based on what I can find, acquiring a Spanish [i]Tarjeta de Residencia[/i] seems like it would take at least a few weeks, in the best of circumstances…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Oh he's realistically already a FA
He’d basically have to get deported or try to move to the US all of the sudden for that to not happen eventually, especially since he has his passport. It may be that all European Union countries are fairly similar these days in terms of the hoops you have to jump through to gain residency. But it’s not the easiest thing from what I understand, so you’d want any advantage, if there are differences by country. And I wouldn’t doubt that speaking the language is a positive factor in that as well.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
OK ~ that was more or less what I'd thought.
I actually spent a little while reading up on the requirements for Spanish residency, but I started getting tempted to move there, and that won’t work right now.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I saw that.
He really does look 21 which, along with his passport, cleared up pretty much all my doubts about him being one of those dreaded 21 going on 28 types.
He’s still super raw, though.
But that arm… oh, that freaking arm.
That thing is special.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
I'm always a bit skeptical of Cubans
there is always ridiculous hype followed by years of mediocrity. But, hey, well worth kicking the tires, for sure.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
And Martin Perez
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why do people say this shit?
This isn’t a card game
by oc on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
What? You have a problem with people using common phrases now?
Weird. I bet I could find you using one out of context in about 15 seconds. But I’ve lost interest now.
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Sit tight. Your wild-card standings are on the way!
by oc on Aug 10, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm enthusiastic about the rangers, you caught me.
Now back to your crazy objection to the use of “well played”… whats with that?
the preceding post was a great success.
oc seems to have a problem
with anything that he didn’t do getting kudos.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
What the fuck is your problem, it’s a commonly used saying, go play Street Fighter or something.
that's the only way we're going to get a free agent starter
that can plug into this rotation. and be a TOR pitcher
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
with Sheets here?
doubtful.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 10, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
some comments
Looked to me like Holland didn’t shake off TT much this game. I think part of his problem has been his shaking off his catcher (ie. thinking too much)
Disappointed in Borbon. He is suppose to be a low K hitter. My fear is that he struggles early next year and makes us miss Marlon.
Holland will become the ace we have been waiting for in the middle of next year.
I hope this losssand series lose, puts the Angels into a slump and nice long losing streak.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
On Borbon
It’s one game in a tough environment. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
don't deny my right to overreact :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
He struck out 4 times
couldn’t get a bunt down to move Tiny E and then had a major baserunning error all while hitting lead-off in the most important game of the year.
Who could understand my reaction to KKKKulio’s day when The Gut had options?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
That baserunning error had no effect on the game.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Why???
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Yet TT was amazing according to you...
and deserves more playing time to boot…they had similar offensive outputs today to be honest when you consider the SB by Borbon
and then lets talk the D from both
ass
What was idiotic
was putting a rookie in as a leadoff DH. He should have been hitting 9th, and playing CF.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
andrus can't lead off
but washington will roll borbon and arias out there at leadoff?
makes no sense
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I didnt pay complete attention so i dont know everything was said
but to be clear if i say someone sucked today it doesn’t mean i think they suck overall =)
the preceding post was a great success.
I just wanna know what's so damn hard about beatig the fucking Angels...
I’m looking at you,AL Central,AL East.
We’ve bent them over and had are way all season long.
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 9, 2009 5:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
im trying to figure that out
myself
it boggles the mind
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The Twins-Angels series results were shocking to me.
I used to hold the Twins in such high regard, but after they got destroyed by the Angels…sheeesh…
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
also, German should stay up here
he played alot of OF in the past and can play 2b/3b, runs well and can take a walk… keep him and Omar, still can have 12 pitchers with AJ as 4th OF DH and German as reserve OF
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Can I just say...
Shut the fuck up Josey…..you vitriol spouting dumb sack of shit
i swear half of the GDTs when you are around merely include you making statements of how big a jackass you are…
again, shut the fuck up, all you do is make yourself dumber every time you post something
Psst.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/3/863636/ignore-script
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by LSJ on Aug 9, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Rohn, be honest, did you do this with Byrd after the game in the shower?
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Also
TT ended up 1-4 w/2ks and 4 LOB…spare me anything about a great game
also, he got his hit off of a 50 year old loogy and he looked like a fuckin retarded monkey up there in every other AB
Has day was very Blalock-esque
Which explains why Josey thinks he had a good game.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by LSJ on Aug 9, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and
a throw out on a caught stealing, a homer, 2 RBIs and a run scored.
Not a great game, but not terrible by any means.
by 2005Longhorns on Aug 9, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Who did he catch stealing?
I don’t remember that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It was a strike 'em out throw em out
I believe it was GMJ after the walk
by 2005Longhorns on Aug 9, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was yesterday.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by LSJ on Aug 9, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't someone say Lackey was gonna throttle the Rangers, or somesuch?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
lHollandaise Sauce
Tastes pretty good.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 9, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
can someone check out the comparison of Halladays numbers vs Hollands since the trade deadline?
im curious to know what it is…
by mikeyoungfuturehof on Aug 9, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
Well technically his first good start was before the deadline.
so its 4 runs in 13.2 innings for holland
and 6 runs in 17 innings for halladay (yes in 2 starts)
the preceding post was a great success.
Well, Halladay had a CG against the Yankees
9 innings 10 hits, 5 runs 4 earned. He went 8 innings, 9 hits 3 runs (2 earned) against the O’s today.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by LSJ on Aug 9, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
it's only a couple starts
No matter what, Halladay is one of the greatest pitchers in the game. Holland is going to have his great moments and I hope he reaches the heights Halladay has, but I think he still has a ways to go and comparing 2 starts is irrelevant. You can do that with any pitcher.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
It's so... round.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
So close to having more errors than hits
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
From HH
Holland got us Nobody’s fault. The guy flat out owned ass.
I will agree with this…….. Texas has some good young pitching right now.
How long have Ranger fans been waiting for someone to say that?
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." - Satchel Paige
"Josh Hamilton doesn't act like he is Josh Hamilton. He acts like a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy named Josh Hamilton." - Jason Parks
it's nice to start to see our young pitchers
impacting our ML team.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
son of a bitch
is there anywhere you can download rangers games off a torrent or something?
i just woke up
I can recap it for you real quick
Holland picks up ball. Strike. TT throws it back. Repeat.
by Sherman McCoy on Aug 9, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Really doubt that. But..
There are condensesd games that come up a couple hours after the games, which show the final pitch of every at bat.
Pretty sure the only way to see it in whole at this point would be to get mlb.tv, which you can buy for a month or whatever.
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Not the same thing, though.
To appreciate Holland’s performance, you really need to watch the whole thing.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Whoops. Meant that to be a reply to shroomer's post, not yours.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
In a few hours
there will be a condensed version of the game for free at mlb.com.
Shows all outs and balls in play.
i remember the devil rays (in full on awful times)
winning 14 in a row or something.
the preceding post was a great success.
"we are going to focus on the yankees-sox series"
you don’t say BBTN, ya do’t say…
the preceding post was a great success.
It really went without saying...
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Quick Pitch
on MLB Network at the top of the hour (6:00 CT)
They have to leadoff with Rangers vs Angels
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I can't believe we were a MY single from having a good shot at sweeping the angels at home
this series surpassed my expectations, woo.
the preceding post was a great success.
just playing to the competetion
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Yup.
2 out of 3 – I’ll take that given how hot the Angels have been lately.
FWIW, I was at all three games here in LAAAAA.
Holland was…fantastic. Complete confidence. Incredible how efficient he was. Just awesome. Like most of us, I’m giddy over the fact that we’re gonna be seeing this kid for a long while…
MLBN started with Phillie/Marlins
followed by Rangers/Angels. ESPN still talking Boston/MFNYY
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Well, to be fair, they're catering to an audience for their upcoming schedule.
Using their “highlight” show to promote their upcoming game and drum up interest so maybe people stick around is just common sense.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
as a rangers fan...
you gotta let that shit go.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
sox are 2 games over 500 and closer in their division than us
boo.
the preceding post was a great success.
We used to win division titles like that.
AL Worst FTW!!!
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 9, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Which people were still trying to say early in the year
Al west now looks like one of the better divisions.
the preceding post was a great success.
Seattle would be only 2 games back in the Central
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
But if we were in the central we'd be like a hundred games below .500, cause of all the games against the stupid Tigers.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
yea, i cant wait til we go back to playing just 3 games there
that was such a beating
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
did they talk about it yet?
just went to watch MLBN highlights
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
On that game
WTF moment with the home plate ump tossing victorino in center…crazy
id love to know what the hell he did…
He raised his hands in the air at the ump.
That was it. He couldn’t have said anything because he was 300+ feet away. Kruk was having his way about the ump being douche.
That seems to be going to far indeed
Ive thrown out some people before, but damn, ive never thrown out someone who was 300 feet away from me….
that is just insane, im sure he was already pissed at Howard for his antics on the K before that, and im assuming he heard a lot from others in the crowd/dugout, but that is still just insane
between that today and Jerry Crawford going temporarily insane while arguing as well…good lord
Who is Holland's competition
for greatest 25th round draft pick of all time?
my better is better than your better.
Top guys
Assuming we are talking about 25th round picks that signed, not guys who went in the 25th round out of high school, went to college, and ended up being first rounders…
Nate McLouth
Brian Fuentes
Paul LoDuca
Matt Mantei
Rob Person
Darren Daulton
Mike Hargrove
Andy Hassler
Paul Splitorff
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 9, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
actually a somewhat decent list
of course with the number of guys taken there over the years somebody had to be pretty good
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
also
sign and follow guys like Holland are a little different considering they get top round money etc
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
yea, i know he got 5th or 6th round money
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"