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Minors 08/09

SPO - 9:15 - Henry

HIC - 2:00 - Boscan

Boscan had a nice outing today:  5/4/1/1/0/6, 6:2 GB:FB.  Cody Eppley (??) and Castillo got bombed by WV though, resulting in a 9-4 loss for the Crawdads.  Cristian Santana hit a pair of bombs.

BAK - 9:30 - Murphy

FRS - 6:00 - Beavan

Aside from the exorbitant amount of flyballs, a typical outing from Beavan so far.  6/9/1/1/1/3, 4:11 GB/FB.

OKC - 8:00 - Moscoso

AZRL - pm - Escobar?

 

Obligatory Shroom Props

 

More to come as games start.  More to come as games start.  More to come as games start.  More to come as games start.  More to come as games start. 

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great outing by Boscan, one of his better ones on the year

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 9, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Beavan looks great through 4

Hopefully this turns out to be his second excellent start in a row. It would be awesome for him to have impressive #’s as a 20 yr old in AA

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 9, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Beavan's inability to get Ks...

…is one of the most baffling things about this season.

27 Ks and 9 walks in 67 1/3 IP.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 9, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what's so baffling about it.

Velocity’s still down, slider not nearly as impressive as we were expecting and he wasn’t getting many K’s in Clinton last year anyway.

by LiamP on Aug 9, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our very own Andy Sonnastine?

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 9, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more along the lines of Volstad.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 9, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to look up progeria.

Yuck.

Thanks for posting all of this detail, but I was really confused at first, since I was unaware that your avatar had changed to this 18-year old Keith Law who looks like he just owned Hardball on his Commodore 64.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 9, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a weird place for this post to show up.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 9, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

Progeria Boy is what I used to refer to BG as.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wierd gb rate for BB today

4:11 gb:fb

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 9, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

Also, now we have someone to blame when BMac inevitably breaks down again.

Damn you Trip Somers!!!!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*The* fear.

Hopefully, if he breaks down again, he’ll say it was O’Leary’s fault… fingers crossed

I don’t think my role was that large, but it’s definitely nice of him to acknowledge my input.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 10, 2009 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impressive.

Is Trip advising the Rangers org on pitching…?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 9, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be cool to hear how he got involved and what he suggested.

OT: Teixeira… pshaw. I can’t wait till the Rangers take out Teixeira and the Yankees in the first round.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 9, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be interesting...

but it will definitely be quite a while before I write about any of that.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 10, 2009 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting.

Thx for that.

If Font has a Padilla-esque FB, that’s a good thing.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 9, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for this...

good to see a first hand account of some of the guys who all i ever see is the box scores. And you have me excited for Perez.

my better is better than your better.

by rangerjake on Aug 9, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Font

This is the first time he’s pitched anywhere near a full season’s worth of work. He pitched 42 innings in ‘07 and only 4 innings in ’08 because of SARS or AIDS or something. Between that and his age, I’m willing to cut him a huge amount of slack regardless of how raw he looks.

by LiamP on Aug 9, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, of course. I am too.

Like I said, he reminded me a lot of Vicente, and not necessarily in a bad way. His fastball was pretty much dominating the Greensboro offense single handedly.

If I expressed dissapointment, it wasn’t because he was bad or that I don’t think he’s a great prospect… it’s just that I guess I was just expecting more. The velocity never got above 93 all game long, and I went in thinking I might see 95-97 if he really reached for one.

And, perhaps I wasn’t clear on just how disparate his motion was when he threw the old yakker. It was almost comical. A couple innings into the game my father and I took to watching his windup and trying to be the first to identify if he was going through his windup hard (fastball) or slowing things down (curve). We got to where we were getting it pretty early cause it was totally obvious. After a while the family with a few little league aged boys in front of us picked up on what we were doing and they joined in. The kids were able to do it with no problem and were having a great time.

Still… Yes, I agree.

I’m cutting him slack and still have him rated very highly as a pitching prospect.

I was just reporting on what I saw.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

When you found out that Perez wasn’t starting but only pitching an inning in relief, did you make plans to follow Hector Ortiz to his car that night?

by LiamP on Aug 9, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, actually I was too horrified to get my Dirka-rage on cause I figured when he came in to relieve Brigham it was a tandem start so when he came out after only an inning I was having about three heart attacks a minute.

In the stadium they were in the clubhouse entrance for both teams is located behind home plate via a tunnel and each pitcher once they were out of the game would head in there after they were done.

So when I saw out of the corner of my eye someone who looked like Perez crossing the field to the tunnel after his inning I was like, “Huh?”, and then I noticed to my great big fucking horror that not only was it most definitely Martin, but… he was accompanied by the team trainer.

(!)

I swear, when I saw him heading down the tunnel after just an inning with the team trainer in tow I had four simultaneous heart attacks, two strokes, and just basically freaked out to the point I think I might spontaneously developed AIDS.

Luckily he came right back out after the next half inning and was bouncing around and laughing like an idiot with his buddies in the dugout so I knew he was okay, but by that time my relief at him being okay was so overwhelming I couldn’t muster up even an ounce of frustration, if that makes any sense.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol at the Santana comment.

Thanks for the great info.

"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley

by coolaid on Aug 9, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're looking at Font backwards too

Maybe you weren’t aware of how raw he is, but now that you are, think about how much room there is for him to go up. His body has completely changed on him in a matter of a couple of years, and he just hasn’t been on the mound that much. Keep him healthy, let him grow into his body (gain coordination, etc) and let him learn how to do the things that professional pitchers do. From what I’ve been able to tell, he’s the exact opposite personality type as Perez. He’s just a big kid still.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also meant to say

as a part of the “think about how much room there is for him to go up” part, this guy has been borderline dominating guys at the full season level for the last month or two. And he’s doing that with zero polish or know-how whatsoever.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I understand this.

Sigh.

I guess I suck at communicating.

Oh well.

I didn’t mean to say he sucks.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff, thanks Dirk. Shoulda made it a fanpost.

I had a comment/question on Font, but I laughed so hard at the Christian Santana description I forgot what it was. Maybe I’ll remember later.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 9, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally great read...

What a concept: eyeball testimony. Were we all so fortunate.

I’d have Cristian killed by 18-wheeler kerfuffle.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 9, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ty and yw to you and all the others who expressed 'preciation.

I just wish I could get up to see ’em more.

They’re just close enough to be a bitch to get to, if that makes anysense.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santana is gonna be good at baseball.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Aug 9, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He just hates you Dirk.

Tonight- 3-4 2HR.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Aug 9, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He just turned 20 a couple months ago.

If you haven’t given up on Beltre, you can’t give up on Santana.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Aug 9, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do you hate Wilmer Font?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 9, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

90-91 is low for Brigham this year

he has been up to 95-96 fairly often. I’m very high on him.

by JasonCole on Aug 10, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to hear.

That’s the problem with trying to draw conclusions from one game.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff Dirk

Only reenforces my belief that Perez will skip Bakersfield all together and start next year in Frisco. If we were moving affiliates I could see them possibly giving him a month or two in High A. I think the whole “keep groups together” mantra is really only applicable to the lowest levels on the farm. These guys and the rangers know that once you start talking about top prospects you can’t hold them back just so they can stay with their “friends”. Does that mean we won’t trade a guy like Boscan because he and Perez are buds?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing: Andres James, the backup Hickory SS, looks like he has progeria.

He’s like 5’5", 130 pounds and has the silliest little peanut head I’ve ever seen.

Progeria.

Seriously.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had to look up progeria.

Yuck.

Thanks for all of the detailed reports, but I was really confused at first since I was unaware you had changed your avatar to this picture of 18-year old Keith Law who appears to have just owned Hardball on his Commodore 64.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 9, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah, thanks.

I figured the old pic was over a year old, so y’all deserved a more recent dose of dirkahandsomenessality.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 9, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strop

with a 5 pitch shutdown inning, after getting 5 outs on 15 pitches yesterday.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 9, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

when listing next year's rotation candidates

i usually go 8 deep with Millwood, Feldman, Hunter, Holland, Feliz, Harrison, McCarthy, and Hurley, but that list definitely needs to start including Moscoso, and perhaps Nippert as well.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 9, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously too early to hone in too closely, but

if we look at the start of the season, Hurley is obviously a nonfactor, and they will have to start Feliz in the pen or at the very least in restricted AAA starts to keep him pitching all season. That would seem to make their current prime candidates just Millwood, Feldman Holland, Hunter, McCarthy, Harrison, Nippert and then Moscoso.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 9, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you can pretty much

mark Feliz down for a full season of winter ball as well as a spot in the ML rotation come April 1…

by Goyogringo on Aug 10, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I don’t think they’re going to go from 127 minor league innings to 100ish split innings to like 180-200+ major league innings after a full season of winter ball for the first time ever. If they do I’d be pretty pissed.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be just fine with it

especially since JD has already stated on at least 3 occasions (upon his callup, after the futures game, and during the Newberg chat or some other instance) that it remains an option if they want to stretch him out as a starter.

So you might be pissed but I’m not sure if your position has merit. 1. what rookie pitcher normally pitches 200ip in their debut? Look at Holland. Even if he started the season in the rotation, there wasn’t much chance of him pitching 180-200 innings. Why? It is his rookie year as a starter and he’s going to be inconsistent enough to pitch less than 6 innings per start on average by year-end. So in reality, no one expects Feliz to pitch 180-200 innings next year. Do you? I dont think you do. It is just an “ideal” for a pitcher to do that and a straw man in this case. Established aces pitch that many innings; rookies really aren’t expected to and like most rookies, a reasonable expectation would be 165 innings. 2. So given that reasaonable expectation, does your claim stand up? If Feliz pictches around 107 innings this year (25 more to end the season – 3 innings per week for the next 7 weeks) and pitches on a program of gradually increasing innings during winterball (say at least 20innings but not more than 40 over 2 months). He will have pitched between 127-147 innings this year. So in terms of innings totals proper(and their gradual accumulation), you are wrong to conclude he can’t be stretched out in reasonable fashion. 3. As for the assertion that being yo-yo’d – starter to pen to starter – is not good for a pitcher’s health, I think this is entirely debatable. It is certainly a practice – when done as a part of a pitcher’s normal development – that has gained prominence over the last few years if not having always been done with elite starting pitching prospects. But you don’t have to go too far to find a pitcher who has gone through it: Scooter. He’s made the adjustment 2 years in a row now – reliever to starter and starter to reliever and back again, reliever to starter, in an instant. He seems alright. 4. So the question remains, is your resistance to the move based on something more than a “common sense” assertion that it might be bad for his shoulder? Are “split innings” so evil when you see them proliferating everywhere around you as what can only be regarded as a normal major league state of affairs? Seems like a perfectly reasonable program of development to me (and the ptiching winter ball for the “first time ever” seems a bit of a non sequitur – what does that mean really? This is also his first time ever to pitch in the ML , and the first time to pitch after the first week of September, so…?).

by Goyogringo on Aug 10, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it IP that you are worried about or # pitches?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

full season of winter ball?

I am not sure that would be wise. He will undoubtably go to instructs and the fall league. I can see him pitching some in the winter but how many innings do you want him to pitch down there?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Care to speculate on the AFL list?

Moreland?
Smith?
Lemon?
Max?
Phillips?
Strop?
Jones?

by shroomer on Aug 10, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scheppers?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok. I forget.... How soon can he be signed?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know yet

He has to establish residency somewhere before MLB will declare him a signable free agent. I suspect that it will work out pretty well time-wise, and that he’ll be signed in the winter, whether he’s declared a FA in October or December.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no expert, but I believe as soon as he establishes residency in an appropriate country, he becomes eligible.

It seems to vary from case to case with the Cuban defectors, but I’d have to assume with a kid of this magnitude his people would have a pretty good idea what they’re doing and would get him eligible for the coming feeding frenzy that will surely develop this Winter.

I think the differences in his MLB readiness and the down economy will prevent him from beating DiceK’s overall package (factoring in the posting fee the Sox paid, I mean), but I see him pretty much knocking Strasburg’s eventual figure out of the park.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing here as far as his readiness

It will be somewhat interesting to see whether he gets a major league deal. He probably will, since that will get him some fringe benefits, since he’s probably not that far away, and most of all since he’s going to get so much money. But we are talking about a prospect, a 21 year old, and a pretty raw pitcher.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see him NOT getting a major league deal, actually.

Though I think him starting off in the minors is pretty much a lock as well.

He’ll need time.

From what video I’ve seen the arm is simply amazing, and he has just about the perfect pitcher’s frame, but he’s been making his living crushing inferior opponents, and so he hasn’t really had to refine his stuff at all.

I’d guess he starts next season pitching for someone’s AA affiliate.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right

mostly because of the money and contractual situation. You’re not going to give him $40-50 million in the form of any kind of bonus, and his agent should be able to get his clock going. You know that someone would go for that in an open bidding situation.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scheppers?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt he signs by then.

My guess is they’ll sign him sometime over the Winter or maybe even early Spring, but that’s a total shot in the dark by me.

No proof whatsoever.

Just seems like with the quotes we’re getting about his situation as a no-deadline guy (other than next year’s draft, obviously), that the plan is to hold off on signing him, and it makes sense to me given our financial predicament that they’d want to roll him over and put the bonus on next year’s ledger if at all possible. I’m not even 100% sure that’s the way shit works, though.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that

but Joba Chamberlain was in a pretty similar situation to what Scheppers would have if he were to sign, and he went to the lower level Hawaiian League. I don’t think that Scheppers is any more advanced than Joba was at that time.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah those seem good

Tim Murphy will probably have pitched too many innings, but I could see them wishing they could get him more work. Did Whittleman go last year?

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AFL?

Hmmm…my guesses of the 6 off the top of my head:

Smoak
Mad Max
Vallejo
Garr
Reed
Swanson

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swanson passed my mind as well. At least one of the pitcher will almost assuredly be someone like that.

My only question about the bats you guys are talking about is that I think that those AAA guys, Smoak and Ramirez in particular, may be a little too much for the AFL. The only real benefit I’d see for them is extra reps and confidence. Because they should destroy the pitching that’s typically sent there.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoak and Ramirez

Neither have been lighting it up in AAA thusfar, and Ramirez has been hurt much of the year…

Smoak is probably not a real good candidate — you could pull him and replace him with Golson, maybe, or Renny Osuna. But I think Max would be someone who would be a good fit.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Max play

in Venezuela last year? I think they’ll just do that again with him.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to think that’s more likely too.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 10, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 10, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rules
Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to the following requirements:
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All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
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One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
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One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.
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No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
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To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

by shroomer on Aug 10, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I guess you can’t have Swanson and Reed…I knew about that rule, but had the deadline wrong.

Sub in Diamond or C. Young for Reed, then.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Max isn’t gonna get activated in time, right?

Only one of … Reed, Swanson, Tatusko, Roark, etc … would be eligible.

Has Chris Davis reached “more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31” yet?

Corey Young is another possible name – might be why they promoted him before Aug 1st – to get him eligible as a AA player.

by shroomer on Aug 10, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davis is above a year of service

I think the disabled list rule applies only if the player has been on the d.l. the whole season up to that point.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget AFL2 either.

Taking the spot of Hawai’i Winter Baseball. It’ll be basically the same thing, just in Arizona.

by JasonCole on Aug 10, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm calling that

the Arizona Autumn League.

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by t ball on Aug 11, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, nice flurry of stuff from you all the sudden.

Good stuff.

Hadn’t seen anything new in a while, though apparently that was due to some massive computer problems from what I’ve heard you say on here.

Man, you’re about as down on Kasey Kiker as could be. I agree it’s silly how overrated he is by some, but I don’t think he’s the abject disaster you kind of portray him to be there. I know he’s frustrating to follow game-to-game, and I’ve never seen him live, but the surface stats to offer a glimmer of hope. But, hey… it’s your opinion and you back it up with reason and logic, so who am I to say you’re wrong?

Abreu is a tough one. We all knew he was raw, but apparently he’s proving to be rawer than raw this season in the DSL. But the tools are supposed to be top notch, right? He signed for 550k or thereabouts, iirc, so we must’ve seen something in the kid.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Goyo's latest reports

seem down on just about everyone.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like Venezuelan boys,

manchild pitchers with pitchability, Justin Smoak and Tommy Mendonca, Edwin “Easy Eddie” Garcia, underdogs, uneasy yet parsimonious prose, and most importantly, dispassionate prospecting realism – how’s that for a happy baseball disposition? The “good” prospect profiles will follow if I have time; I just needed to exorcise my system of unfounded-prospect cheer…

by Goyogringo on Aug 11, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah perfect computer storm

As for Kiker, I do enjoy the occasional rhetorical flourish, especially when deflating rosie-cheeked prospect mystifications, but I think he will make a fine lefty setup guy. I’ve made my case why he is having a bad year, and I could be wrong about his future role, but I don’t think that would be a bad thing by any measure if he ends up in the pen. Whatever the case, TX will leave him as a starter next year anyways, as they do with any SP prospect who has a chance, so only time will tell.

As for kids like Abreu, I’ve come to the conclusion that, one the one hand, “power” hitters need an extra year in the DSL unless they are 7 figure signs and, on the other hand, signing a young power hitter for less than 7 figures probably isn’t worth it. The warning signs don’t look great for him, as I pointed out, and the ghosts of Santana, Johan Yan, and ESolis will haunt him until he makes it to full season ball. The other obstacle he faces, in my humble opinion, is that he’s Dominican. As other writers have written, it seems that the baseball culture in the DR is broken- it is a tryout culture so actually getting to watch a prospect play high school baseball for 2-3 years is not possible. High school baseball doesn’t exist there. What you get is a guy trained to do well on skills tests and feature tools. So what you have to do with the DR kids is to teach them how to play baseball, from the beginning, and some just don’t have the aptitude for it, or maybe it takes them 3 years, but more often than not, they flame out, but you might not be able to tell straight away. So he clearly passed the eye test, but it could be a while.

I’ve been ruminating on the differences between Venezuelan and Dominican baseball cultures lately and have a few thoughts on why VZ propects seem to be more advanced generally (outside of the 7 figure guys). I think – and this is just reasoned speculation – Venezuela must have a baseball culture that is not rooted in the tryout/ academy system in the same way that it is in the DR. Based on the advanced skill sets that players like Perez, Escobar, Alvarez, Edwin “Easy Eddie” Garcia (the top SS in the system not named Profar or Sardinas) and Tomas Telis bring to the table at 17, as well as the fact that many VZ players don’t make their debut until after they turn 18 (presumably after they graduate high school) VZ prospects seem to i bring more baseball experience to the table, making them less risky, easier to assess. In the end, it seems that the youth still play baseball in VZ and but not so much on the island.

Given the problems that TX has had in the Dominican with prospects busts – yan, santana, solis – and prospect frauds – wilson ventura, wilson suero, Juan Polanco, Ariel Ventura – TX has moved away from the Domincan over the last 2 years (08/09). Despite the fact that they have no academy there, all of the top 2008 signs were Venezuelan except for Abreu and this year, no Dominican signs have been announced to date. This is now a Venezuelan-heavy system; 12 out of 15 players in my DSL “rankings” are Venezuelan and the results seem to speak for themselves.

My question is, who is doing such a fine job in Venezuela while Preller is drinking cold beer and clocking 60 times in San Pedro de Macoris while getting all of the credit?

by Goyogringo on Aug 11, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they continue to use him in the bullpen

for the remainder of the season, which is what will happen by all indications, then I could see him get 5-6 starts in a winter league to stretch back out and work on his range of pitches, but that will most likely come in a “safer” setting like the AFL rather than a traditional winter league.

And yes, I think he will at least be given a shot at starting next year, but he will be up against the collection of arms listed by Brett above.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rough night for Wieland, and even worse for Poveda

Omar is getting torched lately. He has allowed 32 hits and 11 walks in his last 18.1 innings. OUCH!

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 10, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

getting tired?

Did he play winter ball?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the lack of strikeouts is catching up to him

his numbers outside of ERA and H/9 werent all that great so it kind of had to come back to bite him at some point i think

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Cole tweets

that Max Ramirez is playing C for the AZ Rangers tonight. Hope he gets going soon.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is

0-2 with a K so far

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the update Max hater.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't trying to hate

if it makes you feel any better hes now 1-3 with a double

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no why would I be?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes that does make me feel better...

It has been such a wasted season for MaxRam. I would love to see him just rake this last month to get that hope back to start next season.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 10, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Midnight Twitter from Jason Cole-
Big, big news on the Rangers prospect front coming early tomorrow. Trust me on this one.

Okay, let’s play the speculation game … what could it be?

- Purke and/or Scheppers signed? Can’t see Purke signing until the 17th considering the haul he’s demanding, so maybe Scheppers accepted a Rangers-friendly compromise offer.

- Perez promoted to Frisco? The RR’s are off today, but tomorrow MP could start sliding in front of Ballard every 5th day for a pitch-limit outing.

- Perez to BAK and/or Ross to HIC? I don’t think JC would call these moves “big, big” news – just interesting news or something. So, doubt it.

- Further news about some fresh Latin American signings that contain some sexy names? Seems unlikely, all the big names are taken already, right?

- Smoak called up? Doubt it. Even ignoring the Davis angle, seems like the 40-man situation will keep Smoak a minor-leaguer until next season.

Anything else you can think of that could get a baseball-jaded crusty bahstahd like Jason Cole to qualify it as ‘big, big’ news? I’m leaning hard towards Perez-to-Frisco.

by shroomer on Aug 11, 2009 5:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

my guesses

1. either Chris Davis or Justin Smoak promoted, or better yet, both!
2. Aroldis Chapman secretly shepherded into Nolan’s ranch house in Buda
3. unknown Pacific Rim prospect signed away before their draft, ambassadors are recalled
4. either Sardinas or Profar set to make their debuts
5. One of the remaining Latin American free agent arms is signed or the only remaining bat.
6. One of the “other” Cubans is signed (yawn)
7. Someone is convicted (or exonerated) of a crime or rules violation (drugs, rape, visa)
8. Miggie de los Santos makes his short -season debut (or Denny Peralta, or Kevin de Leon, or Ayennil Mendoza)
9. someone gets promoted
10. someone (else) gets injured
11. a" lesser" draft pick signs (Bell, Lemke, Blash, Williams, Revell, Strong, Law etc)
12. Hicks busts the commissioners chops and announces he has signed one or both Scheppers and Purke.
13. Omar Poveda or Max Ramirez out for the year due to injury, joining Timmy Smith it seems. Poveda had a very strange outing last night and the announcers said they have never seem him pitch like he did (ZERO FB command, changeups getting away from him, just plain weirdness i guess). Having listened to most of his outing, i got the impression that they were concerned with him and thought he might be injured but they never said as much.
14. Ogando/Beltre are freed

Or the #1 choice, which is, Nick McBride has signed!!! Whoo, Hoo, party favors all around… I like this kid, nice frame, potentially plus fastball( now: 88-91+93) good curve, and above average fastball command…

Now get to work on the 2 that matter most JD.

by Goyogringo on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, that would suck if Poveda's hurt

Perhaps he’s fallen victim to the Finnerty curse?

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 11, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

# 14 would be awesome

and then i want aroldis chapman

then the rangers could make an entire rotation out of pitchers that can throw in the upper 90s

by trgordon723 on Aug 11, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of those 14 is correct

"It's not a good strategy, but it's my strategy." -- Courtney Lucas

by Lucas on Aug 11, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

grrrrrr

Is it in the top 7 or bottom 7?

by tyd3311 on Aug 11, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does it rhyme with peppers?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are a tease

come on man you said early this morning, well it’s midmorning now.

by Hull Fan on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes you are correct

but Lucas implies he knows as well by declaring it one of those 14, thus he is also teasing for not supplying the answer.

by Hull Fan on Aug 11, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna say #4... Profar debuts at AZL.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 11, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that big big news?

does it warrant a ‘trust me on this one’?

by tyd3311 on Aug 11, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to me, but

Cole’s opinion about how big prospect news is might vary.

by Hull Fan on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. I'll go back to my original thought, which is that it has to be a signing.

Otherwise, why the hush-hush?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 11, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me, "big news" would be a signing.

A promotion, or even a series of them would just be interesting.

Actually, after waiting all dadgum morning for this “big news” if it’s not a signing I’ll be slightly dissapointed.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 11, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I wanted a signing, goddamnit!

Heh.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanna say

that Jason Cole sez July 2nd signings are prohibited to play formally until Fall Instructs – thus, an informal league satellites around the DSL made up of July 2nd guys. IIRC.
.

by shroomer on Aug 11, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

not if they sign current year contracts. Most don’t but it has happened with elite position players (just not this time).

by Goyogringo on Aug 11, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Lucas' morning farm report he mentions that he's updated

a minor league statistical database. Then he sez,

One particular data point is about to become obsolete, but that’s okay.
So, we have a promotion. Gee, I wonder who it could beeeeeeeeee …

by shroomer on Aug 11, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to post that.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 11, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's gotta be a signing.

Either a top Latin dude or one of Purke/Scheppers.

Sano is still out there, for example, and it appears to be quite a year for premium SS prospects on the international scene. I could see the Rangers taking advantage of it and restocking their IF talent level.

As cool as that would be, I’m hoping it’s an announcement that Scheppers has signed. That dude needs to get some innings under his belt this year.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 11, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My gut says promotion. A signing would be cool. As far as promotions, big, big news would have to involved Smoak or Perez, right? Purke signing would be the other big thing on the radar, but it seems too early for that.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 11, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoak's still not hitting particularly well and Davis would be ahead of him (based on performance and 40 man implications) IMO

Seems odd to promote Perez so late and with him pushing 100IP.

I’m going with a signing of some sort or a Davis promotion.

by LiamP on Aug 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 11, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another 6 50-pitch starts in AA

would still leave MP under 120 IP – less than Feliz last year.

by shroomer on Aug 11, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a brief look at

the top remaining international free agents on the market. There are 4-5 really nice arms still sitting out their jockeying for the least-deflated price. The market is really depressed after clubs dumped a boat-load of money on position players.

by Goyogringo on Aug 11, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice read.

Also, I can’t help but giggle at the fact that there is a baseball player named Bum Ho Lee. One of those guys you’d like to have just for the epic name.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 11, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I asked JD whether there was anything else budgeted for LA kids and he was dismissive.

Actually I was thinking of names I’d read about on minormoosings.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 11, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the Newberg Night Q&A, I mean.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 11, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm convinced that they can snag one of these

guys in the 350-450 range; they are(or were) all throwing in the 88-92 range, with some pitchability and two are 6.6 monsters- I’m going to go with Perdomo as a likely sign as he has been linked with the club previously. And it could always happen later in the fall like the Alvarez signing …

Right now all of the clubs are working guys out and attending their showcases and waiting to get a bargain as the agents are still asking for pre-J2 money.

by Goyogringo on Aug 11, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im guessing its Kiker to OKC and Perez to Frisco

With Ross to Hickory

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 11, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cole tweeted

Perez to Frisco

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 11, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What's all this about Perez?!?

My news was Mark Hamburger being activated from the DL.

: )

Anyhoo, sorry about being a tease. Didn’t have official confirmation.

"It's not a good strategy, but it's my strategy." -- Courtney Lucas

by Lucas on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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