Greinke, Lincecum, and Newberg
by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 8:05 AM CDT
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Jamey suggests the following:
Kansas City’s choice of righthander Tommy Hunter or lefthander Martin Perez; (2) righthander Wilmer Font; (3-4) Kansas City’s choice of either outfielder Julio Borbon and hitter Max Ramirez – or outfielders Nelson Cruz and Engel Beltre; and (5) shortstop Leury Garcia to get Greinke and, say, reliever Juan Cruz (owed $3.25 million in 2010 and a $500,000 buyout in 2011). Tack on (6) Garr as well.
I think it would take both Hunter and Perez plus his idea of Borbon/Ramirez or Cruz/Beltre. That would give KC two ML starters (3 if Ramirez breaks camp with the club; I thought last year that a trade of Greinke should net 3 ML for it to be worth it to the Royals), plus two potential impact players on the farm. I'm not all that interested in Cruz, but if it only takes Garr to get him, fine.
Anyone interested in trade talk this early?
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Why do the Rangers need Greinke when
they have Feldman?
Seriously. It won’t happen. Hicks can’t afford to take on the approx. $14M additional payroll for ’09.
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by RangerMad on Sep 11, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you can't afford $14 M for Greinke...
…then why even bother? Part of the saber method is that you pay as little as you can for your league average vets to add to your young cost-controlled players, but then when you get close to contending you pay the exceptional players what they’re worth. $12 million a year for Millwood is a waste. $25 million for A-Rod (assuming you can afford it) is not. Especially if that’s the piece that puts you into the playoffs (where teams make extra). With the money they have coming off the books, plus the amount of interest a Cy Young contender would generate, plus the fact that he’s Zach MF Greinke, makes me think that it wouldn’t be the money that held this up. Mainly because it would be too incredibly depressing if it was.
If this could get done for Hunter/Font/Borbon/MaxRam, then just point me to where I can find my Rangers Greinke gear. I’d switch out MaxRam for one of the starters too.
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by GhettoBear04 on Sep 11, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke will cost less in 2010 than Padilla did this year.
Greinke’s contract: 7.25M in 2010, 13.5M in 2011 and 2012.
I don’t think money will have anything to do with it. it will simply be a matter of whether Dayton sees an opportunity he likes.
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by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat...
Selling very high on Hunter, an even better idea when you’re buying Greinke.
But they will not deal him to the Rangers without Holland or Neftali going back.
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by hightowersmith on Sep 11, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i would do that deal, especially since we wouldn’t give up our top 3 in Holland, Feliz and Smoak for 3 years of Greinke, who will most likely win the Cy Young Award this year. Of course, we could keep our young guys and give Sheets a shot next year, but he will always be an injury concern.
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by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No joke, who does the original poster think he is?
If you don’t call The Newberg by his proper name, you’re liable to get whacked.
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by WestTxAg06 on Sep 11, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd be in,
but I’d probably try substituting in Murphy in there somewhere for Cruz or Borbon, and also see what else we’d have to throw in to Get Soria instead of Juan Cruz. I really don’t want him on this team. Think they’d have any interest in Hurley or McCarthy?
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're going to get...
…Soria and Greinke in the same trade. That really would take somebody like Feliz or Holland…
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by GhettoBear04 on Sep 11, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woul anyone consider
putting Hamilton in that deal?
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
selling low.
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by Ryin A on Sep 11, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a big assumption
that Greinke or Lincecum will be moved at all.
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by DJCahill on Sep 11, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the assumption is
too big with the Royals given just how crappy they’ve been this year even with Greinke. I don’t think they even have a .500 record when he goes out there to pitch!
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is littered
with teams who held on to their big name gate draw despite not being competitive.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 11, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely
not the pirates, lol
by kevinkinsler on Sep 11, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just don't see this happening
unless the package is enough to make us all slit our wrists.
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by t ball on Sep 11, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Not that there’s a chance in hell of this happening, but I can’t see the Rangers getting Greinke without giving up Andrus, Feliz or Holland. Most likely two of those three.
by LiamP on Sep 11, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Would Usually Be True
But you’ve got to remember that this is Dayton Moore we’re dealing with here. He’s Sisyphus on the front end of the learning curve of GM-dom.
by Mister Naxal on Sep 11, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would include Holland
We wish Holland can be what Greinke is today. I would also only do a trade for Greinke if we sign Sheets and trade Millwood. I would want the starters to be
1. Greinke
2. Sheets
3. Feldman
4. Hunter
5. Feliz
Back to the offer
Holland, Cruz (has a lot of value and rather keep Borbon), Tea/Max, Harrison, and Beltre.
I think that’s a solid offer with them getting 4 MLers and one boom/bust prospect.
Harrison becomes expandable since BMac can be the #6 starter when an injury happens. Cruz is a huge hit but we have to give value and I rather keep Borbon for our future. If we trade Tea, I would sign Pudge to be the backup and have Max in AAA to regain his offense. Beltre is worth the risk if we have Hamilton, Borbon, Murphy, Boggs, and maybe Byrd if we resign him.
I really hate to lose Holland but Greinke is amazing.
Can you see another team putting a better offer than the 5 player I listed? Would you do it?
by Coolbean04 on Sep 11, 2009 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I don't like
is that our rotation would be all righties.
by Coolbean04 on Sep 11, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you would have had the same opinion
about this trade and Holland 3 starts ago…. what a difference 2 weeks can make
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Sep 11, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Substitute Feldman for Font...
…and Kansas City would think about it.
As is, KC doesn’t do it.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then I say no
Hunter, Feldman, Borbon, Ramirez, and two other decent prospects for Greinke & Cruz?
That’s too much to give up, in my estimation. Even more so if you substitute Nellie Cruz & Beltre for Borbon & Maximus.
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by RCCook on Sep 11, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do this.
Hunter + Feldman + Cruz: 8.7 WAR.
Zach Greinke: 7.9 WAR.
I wouldn’t want Juan Cruz back, but I would not balk at that deal for Greinke, although we’re buying high on him, we’re also selling high on a few of our guys as well.
by jwiscarson on Sep 11, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd want Cruz back if KC picked up some skrill.
Why not?
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by Ryin A on Sep 11, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing...
he’s been below replacement level this year.
We could always re-sign Jamey Wright if we wanted to have fun on that rollercoaster again.
by jwiscarson on Sep 11, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
Borbon, Kiker, Beltre, Salts, Font.
They have to think about that, don’t they?
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by Conjunction on Sep 11, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do we want Juan Cruz again?
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by JBImaknee on Sep 11, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and if we did want him
the Royals would trade him for Arias
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 11, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to be redundant
but if KC picked up half/most of the tab I’d love to give Cruz a shot next year.
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by Ryin A on Sep 11, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get it
what is there to like about Juan Cruz?
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bounce back year
Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100. - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Sep 11, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right because
his other year in the AL went so well….
with OAK
0-3, 7.44ERA, 1.84 WHIP
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with those who think Moore will need to be overwhelmed rather than looking to get something for Greinke.
Hunter, Perez, Cruz, Beltre, Leury is probably about as much as the Rangers can give up without digging into their depth of ML-ready guys to the extent that an injury or two next year would force them to look outside of the organization.
I don’t think the Rangers can feel comfortable about their pitching depth if they lose two young ML SP in a deal. Hunter, Feldman, Cruz, Beltre, and Leury really hurts the Rangers depth on both sides of the ball.
But, I tend to agree with AJM in principal in that I think Moore is looking more for immediate return than a return that will be ready 2-3 years from now.
I don’t think Feliz, Holland, or Andrus would HAVE to be in a trade to obtain Greinke, but if the Rangers don’t trade one of those three, then they have to add more players to the deal. Personally, I still would be OK if they traded Holland, but I would not include Perez, then.
Moore would have to be bowled over. There is no doubt about it. Anything less than a spectacular return would be horrible PR.
Hunter, Perez, Cruz, Beltre, and Leury might not be a bowled-over type of offer. It depends on what Moore thinks of Cruz and Perez.
Hunter, Feldman, Cruz, Beltre, Leury would look a lot more interesting from KC’s perspective, given Feldman’s excellent season, but again the hit to the Ranger’s pitching depth is too significant, given the loss of offense in Cruz.
Holland and Cruz would have to be the two headliners to really bowl over Moore, I suspect. I can’t see the Rangers moving both of those guys. I think the chances of a Greinke trade with the Rangers are really, really low, like 1%, and, as others have pointed out, it entirely hinges on wether Moore would except a trade without Feliz/Andrus/Holland in it.
FWIW, I would accept a Holland, Cruz, MaxRam (or Tea), Beavan (or Kiker), and some other minor league player deal. That is a lot to give up, sure. It gives KC three young ML players (if you count MaxRam), one of which is an All-Star and another with All-Star potential. I would be less happy about this if the Rangers weren’t also able to sign Sheets, but I still would do it.
I think CD has learned what he needs to do to be effective. I would be hoping for a quick development of Smoak to fill in for the loss of offense in Cruz, and the Rangers would need to resign Byrd so that Hamilton can stay out of CF when Borbon gets a rest. Mostly, I guess the offense next year would be a little worse, the defense about the same or a little better if Borbon is really good, and the pitching quite a bit better with the Greinke at the top and Feliz breaking in at the back end of the rotation.
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by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Borbon
I really like what I have seen this season from him.
I would do Hunter, Millwood, Cruz, Arias, Saltalamachia, Beavan and Beltre for Greinke, Cruz and a bad contract we can live with.
Gives KC potentially FIVE ML players a future starter and future CF.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Sep 11, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would need to pick up a significant portion of Millwood's contract so he would be tradable for KC.
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by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell high on Borbon
Like we should have done last offseason with Davis
by tyd3311 on Sep 11, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
KC could then turn around and trade Millwood as an expiring contract for a couple other middle range prospects.
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by pbpsean on Sep 11, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody wants millwoods contract
this isnt like basketball where expiring contracts are valued
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by studcrackers on Sep 11, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood's contract
for one season isn’t that bad a deal. The Rangers could get something for him. Not anything great (I imagine they could have gotten more at the deadline, if they’d been up for dealing), but someone will pay for Millwood when the best FA starter is John Lackey.
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by JBImaknee on Sep 11, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're dreaming
if you think you could get more than a middling prospect back for Millwood, or even be able to trade him without having pay a significant portion of his contract. I doubt he would make half that on the open market right now.
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand choice A
Is there anybody here who would need more than 2 seconds to decide between Perez or Hunter?
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Sep 11, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
When dealing with an organization who does strange, stupid things sometimes, it is a good idea to give them an option you’d never even consider in case they opt to be strange/stupid at that instant.
That said, there is an argument for a Tommy Hunter over Perez, and that is that Hunter has demonstrated an ability to get major league hitters out, whereas Perez has only shown that he gets A ball hitters out better than anyone in the universe at 19 years old (or whatever he is). Yeah, Hunter’s ceiling is considerably lower than Martin’s, but his downside risk is also much less, and if KC ownership says “whatever you get for Greinke, there needs to be someone on the field we can point to tomorrow” you may be surprised who they’d choose.
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by JBImaknee on Sep 11, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Mostly, I think Moore just wants players that are closer to the majors. I think neither Hunter nor Perez is what he’s looking for in return. The kicker there is whether he would think Cruz is good enough to be the prized return. If so, I would bet he would go with Hunter rather than Perez just to get more immediate ML talent in return.
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by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my thought.
In all honesty, I think someone within KC’s front office realizes that they’re borderline idiots when it comes to trade valuation, and the fanbase (or what’s left of it) would lynch them if they traded Zach Greinke at all, so they’ve just flat out said they will not accept any deals.
I imagine that would change if someone made a stupid offer to them (like Lincecum + Cain for Greinke and…say, Coco Crisp, and Yuni and all our old crappy bullpen guys + $10M), but probably not.
by jwiscarson on Sep 11, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are severely overestimating the "stupidity" of Dayton Moore
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Sep 11, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Greinke
The problem with every suggested trade that Jamey has put out there over the past couple years is that the Royals wouldn’t do any of them.
We saw what the price for Halladay was, and Greinke is more valuable given that he’s tied up for twice as long, at less per season.
I think you have to offer Holland, Perez, Cruz and maybe a catcher before they even think about it.
by Darrell McKown on Sep 11, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and there is no way in hell you offer that
I dont want to give up two of Holland/Feliz/Perez
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by hinduplaya on Sep 11, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the royals just traded two prosepects to Seattle
for the worst every day shortstop in the major leagues. let’s not give them too much credit here.
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by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be right. I don't think it's wise to offer both Holland and Perez, though I would've done it for Halladay, which
was before it was apparent how quickly they could develop.
I think the Rangers can afford to offer one of the next 4 potential impact players: Holland, Perez, Feliz, and Smoak. They can’t afford to offer 2 of them, IMO, because they all appear to be ready to contribute over the next two years, which I would not have guessed even at the ASB this year.
The Rangers weren’t willing to let Holland go for Halladay, but Greinke is a whole different thing for the reasons you state above, plus he is younger and there is always the possibility Greinke could be extended here.
Holland+Cruz is a good headline, I think, and add another upper-level bat, and throw in any other minor league pitcher or two not named Perez, and that deal would be fine by me.
If the Rangers did move Holland, their starting pitching depth would be
Greinke, Feldman, Millwood, BMac, Hunter, Feliz, Harrison, Hurley, Moscoso with another group getting a look at the very end of next season into the following one comprising Perez, Kiker, Beavan, Poveda, Kirkman, Gutierrez, maybe Main, maybe Scheppers.
Some of that second tier depth would be gone in the trade, of course, but the top 9 looks like a stout group.
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by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"We saw what the price for Halladay was"
I think the Halladay failed trade is more instructive to teams WITH a Halladay than teams trying to trade for one.
Cuz we also saw what Halladay wouldn’t fetch.
Economics being what they are, I think it is increasingly unlikely that another team can extract the kind of haul Texas did from Atlanta, even for a player many times more useful than doucheface was.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Sep 11, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The argument could be made
that Greinke is more valuable than Halladay because he still has his best years ahead of him.
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doucheface = Teixeira
Agreed on Greinke >>Halladay, although I’d still have a scintilla or two of worry about Greinke’s past psychological issues, but Greinke’s youth still trumps.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Sep 11, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we can use Cliff Lee as a comp to what this deal would be
and the phillies did not give up a ton to get Lee. I don’t see why Greinke would cost more than him. Halladay doesn’t mean anything because no deal got worked out. mainly because jp is an idiot.
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by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of a lot of reasons Greinke should cost more than Lee.
Greinke’s better, younger, cheaper, under control for more years.
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by rooster on Sep 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee is a Cy Young Award winner
and is showing up big time for Philly. He has pitched very well after a poor start to the season. Greinke may be better, but that does not nullify the fact that it is a comparable deal.
let’s talk Santana, only years would be better in Greinke’s dept. Santana was by the best pitcher in the game at the time and he is still one of the top pitchers in the game. Minnesota did not get a haul for Johan. I understand there are different circumstances, yadda yadda, but these are still comparable deals
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by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke
I think he has a good bit more value than Cliff Lee, for several reasons. He’s better, he’s younger, and he’s signed for more years.
Also, to clarify, I was suggesting earlier what I thought it would take to get Greinke. I would not offer Holland, Perez, Cruz and a catcher for him.
by Darrell McKown on Sep 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread got me to thinking
If I’m dealing for Zach Greinke, I’m making that move with an aim to contend for a championship in each of the next three years. I want to the best possible team that I can put together over that time frame. Got me to thinking…which of Nelson Cruz or Justin Smoak is going to be the more productive player over those three years? I don’t think that’s an easy question, and if Smoak has more trade value than Cruz, I’m pretty sure I’d rather trade Smoak than Cruz.
I guess I’m more of a believer in Cruz than most, I think it’s likely he can match this years production over the next 3 years, and Smoak would have to develop perfectly for him to become what Cruz is right now, a 3.5 – 4.5 WAR player.
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by tricer on Sep 11, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
further
The BJs were apparently asking for Smoak and Holland, if the Royals would take those two plus parts – would you do that for Greinke?
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by tricer on Sep 11, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be incredibly difficult
but for Greinke, I think so.
by MikeEl on Sep 11, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke is an established beast.
Holland and Smoak are not.
I do that deal.
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by Ryin A on Sep 11, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough to say without knowing the other parts
I don’t think you can say no based on how unproven Smoak and Holland are and how awesome Greinke is. Looking at the short and long term needs of this team though, I just don’t know if the Rangers can afford to give up a player like Smoak just to get the SP boost.
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by Gdawg on Sep 12, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna say
I have had, and still have… the biggest boner for Zack Greinke
by oc on Sep 11, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they should just try and trade for soria
would give us a beast of a bullpen and slightly cheaper in terms of cost to get him. this also allows you to move feliz to the rotation if we so choose to, which judging by the way he is pitching is not a given. Given the choice would you rather have a very good starter or an epic closer? plus odds are he holds up longer in the pen than in the rotation. not saying I would leave him in the pen, just saying its not the worst idea to leave him there.
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