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Ian Kinsler calls out the fans on the Bob and Dan show

Well, the gauntlet has been thrown, Ian has called the fans out on the mat. For those of you that weren't able to listen, basically, his sentiment was, the fans will come out for NYY, and BOS, but those games don't really mean anything, it's the within the division games that will make or break this team. Bob straight up asked him if the attendance (or lack thereof) is a concern, and Ian admitted it was. He said it wasn't that they needed the fans to help carry them, but that it gives them more energy to look up and see a packed stadium. (And I for one, completely buy that). One of them asked if part of the reason for the lack of attendance was the previous Decade of Mediocrity (Ha). Ian said he didn't buy that; he said that he thinks that the fans should be excited to come out and watch meaningful division games late in the season with the playoffs on the line, regardless of what has happened in the past.

My dream, as an avid Ranger fan, one who bleeds red--oh, wait--is to do anything I can to help this team win. Frequently, that dream manifests itself in me going up for a foul ball against Arod on the first row of the third base line and ripping it it out of his glove giving Kins another strike to put one 10 rows up and give the Rangers a walk-off-win. But, barring me running into a lot of cash and the perfect alignment of the stars, I'm probably not going to be able to have that much of a direct impact on the game.

What I can do, is go. Go sit in the stadium. Fill one more seat up. Take some friends. Help give my boys the extra energy Ian was talking about. So, that's what I'm going to do. As frequently as possible until this thing is decided.

I'd encourage every last one of you to do the same.

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I heard this.

While I appreciate what he is saying, it came off as really whiny to me. Love me some Kinsler, but he was basically just bitching.

by FuturePants on Sep 11, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ian has been real whiny all year long and very defensive about his game.

He seems to be a little fragile when people “rag” on his play or the suck he has shown at times this year. Very cocky and doesnt seem willing to admit his approach has sucked for the majority of htis year

Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!

by thad728 on Sep 11, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Milton Bradley has anything to do with this

Remember the stupid hip shake they had?

Milton had his ass in check

by oc on Sep 11, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the few interviews I have heard with Ian (including this one)

I have been relatively unimpressed by his demeanor and attitude. BaD radio doesn’t help too much with their awkward and long rambling questions.

by JDavidd on Sep 11, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

is this a replay interview

because I swear he said the same thing earlier in the year.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

it was a new one. Kinsler manages to take a dig at fans in almost every appearance on BaD radio that i have heard.

08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.

by Michael Cave on Sep 11, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like he's said this before

While I respect his candor, he comes off like a bit of an ass every time i head him on bad radio.

Attendance is up this year in case he didn’t notice, and even when its a “small crowd” its still bigger than they have gotten in recent years. One thing I think that stadium needs is to take away some of the upper deck seating and give it a more intimate setting. Very rarely are they going to absolutely sell that stadium out.

Its tough times out there for a lot of people, and they have better things to spend money on than a night at the ballpark.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 11, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And go all the way

to Arlington.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Sep 11, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i live near McKinney

i go to games as much as I can. I enjoy visiting the Frisco ballpark to check out our prospects in AA though, especially for the park’s proximity

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

he’s not impressed with Rangers fans. If he wasn’t locked up long term here I get the feeling he’d be on his way out the door — by his own choice I mean.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 11, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

Any acknowledgment that the country is in a massive recession with an unemployment rate of 9.7 percent and that people may not have the disposable income that allows them to attend baseball games as much as they’d like?

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Sep 11, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I seriously doubt that the country's economic status

is often discussed in clubhouses.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

None at all

Kinsler strikes me as a borderline douche. Bob and Dan asked about the last 10 yrs and kins said that shouldnt matter. I disagree. For a good deal of fans it will take more than one season to win them back. Im not talking about the diehards but the “casual” fan. The method in which Kinsler is using doesnt seem very conducive to success.

08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.

by Michael Cave on Sep 11, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

…that’s awfully close to Tom “We’ll spend more when the fans come out” Hicks. Uh, Tom, when you’ve put up more losing seasons that winning seasons, it’s not hard to figure out why people aren’t throwin ‘bows to buy tickets. Uh, Kins, I love ya buddy, even bought a Kinsler shirt (I think fans wearing baseball jerseys are weird…I also think coaches wearing uniforms are weird), but let’s go ahead and pretend that there is a world outside of the one you live in. Let’s even pretend that in this crazy alternate world, people like seeing their home teams/teams they identify with win. So, in this completely theoretical alternate world where success leads to excitement which leads to ticket purchases, let’s also go ahead and complete this zany world with this thought: it takes more than 5 successful months to build a fan base the size of the Yankees and Red Sox. Oh wait, theoretic world, Spankees and Red Tights.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Sep 11, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm able to go

to 1 game a year. 2 games max. this year i managed to go to 4 frisco games here in tulsa. not that that helps any… but i cheered for kiker and smoak and moreland and diamond and pina in a hostile environment. maybe next year i’ll get around to going to a redhawks game.

" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers

by gossamer on Sep 11, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i was able to go to a redhawks game this year,

it’s a nice minor league ballpark, and okc really has improved that area around that ballpark. I wanted to see Feliz, but missed him by 1 day.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I see where he is coming from, but

the fact that this team has been mired in mediocrity, at best, needs to be taken into consideration. I admire Kinsler’s passion and the way he plays the game and I do think the players should absolutely want to play in front of a packed house during a pennant race. However, this isn’t Boston or NY – we do not enjoy a long history or tradition of success. These things take time and hopefully this generation of Rangers players will help usher in a new era. In the meantime, I want them to go out and win some damn games and get us to the playoffs.

by Barbaro Garbey on Sep 11, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know exactly where he's coming from because as a avid fan I want the same thing.

His approach is just off, but thats just his character. He could take a better approach of it instead of what he said, but I doubt anyone is offended or hurt by it.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Sep 11, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

well said

in this case he is thinking what a lot of others are thinking, just not communicating it in the most effective manner.

the other times I have heard him on BaD radio I did not agree with the content or the delivery

by JDavidd on Sep 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

comes off as a really big douche here. If he was playing for any other them, I think he would be a player I would root against.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Sep 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think other team's fans

think of him like we think of Dustin Pedroia. I have no basis for this though.

by JDavidd on Sep 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't hear it so ill reserve final judgement

But there are things you just don’t comment negatively on on as a player. The teams fans are one of them. I don’t care what they ask you, have some common sense.

Especially when you’ve had one winning season in the last deccade and have never won a playoff series. Of course that matters.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I didnt hear it either...

But he has said nearly the exact same thing before, and also when they were in boston he made a comment about how much more knowledgeable the fans were and how it was a better environment to play (paraphrasing)

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree 100%

it’s, also, cowboy country. To say that we had a double-header that pulled us to within 2 games of the wild card, and our local media talks about the cowboys and their fantasy football teams more than the rangers, should get Ian more upset. There are alot of borderline fans that need a winner to come to the ballpark. not everybody is a diehard fan.

to say one thing though, it annoys me that Yankee and Res Sox fans make more noise than Ranger fans when they’re in the ballpark,and there are too many of them. Of course some of them are obnoxious. I just hope we can win consistently. The crowds will continue to grow as more and more people realize what is happening at the ballpark.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Sep 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I struggle with this

I try to be loud when I go to Rangers games against NY or BOS, but it’s been so much wasted effort that I don’t go to those games anymore. On the one hand, it feels like I’m giving in to their fans, but on the other hand… I am much saner for it.

"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08

by lisa w on Sep 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol wot?

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Sep 11, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean

I’m tired of trying to support my team when the majority of the people near me are supporting the other team. So I just don’t go to those games anymore.

"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08

by lisa w on Sep 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah I get it now.

I’ve only been to a few of the sox/yankee games. It makes me feel kind of embarrassed when going to one because of that.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Sep 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loud crowds

I was at the last Ranger playoff game in 1999. That crowd was into the game. I don’t think we sat down the whole time. That was fun.

The Rangers can have fans get into games. This is the type of team that will be able to psyche people up. But the team has to earn it, and managing to hang in the race into September isn’t exactly forcing their way into the picture. And Kinsler, who is quickly becoming a member of the Hank Blalock Memorial Frustrating Young Ranger Sluggers Club, is a big reason why most people are wary about committing too much to this team.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 11, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is definitely Cowboy country...

…but high school baseball is still pretty big in Texas. I know basketball has taken over in the cities, but baseball is still a pretty big deal everywhere else. Just look at how much talent comes out of Texas into the majors (even pitchers! who pitch outdoors! in texas! and don’t suck! wtf is this!?!).

I don’t think it would take an Atlanta Braves run to develop a good fanbase here. If nothing else, look how quickly people jumped on (and off) the Astros bandwagon.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Sep 11, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

…is a hell of a talent but he’s got a hell of a mouth on him. I know ballplayers don’t read the WSJ every day, but they should at least be aware that it’s a little tougher to get by nowadays. I’m sure if this were a “normal” year in terms of the way the Rangers usually play baseball, they’d be lucky to draw 15k a night.

They’d sell some more single tickets if they were to have 1/2 off parking promotions. None of my friends are interested in baseball and that’s not where they want to spend their disposable income these days. I can’t get anyone to go to a game with me. Last couple of years I had no trouble getting people to go now and then just for the novelty of it but not this year. Anyway I’d go by myself and sit in one of the cheaper seats if parking were cheaper. There’s just something about having to drive all the way out to Arlington and then paying to leave your car there while watching the game that pisses me off. I’m not sure how much parking affects attendance but I can’t be the ONLY one out there who it’s a factor for. Or maybe I am. I’m a bit weird.

Anyway, Kinsler’s making a lot of money…he doesn’t give a fuck about these things.

by Black Francis on Sep 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Parking is an annoying cost at games everywhere

I practically refuse to go to Padre games because parking downtown is such a hassle, particularly on Friday and Saturday nights; the very nights it’d be fun to go to a game. $20 bucks is what you have to expect to pay since you’re competing with restaurant and bar traffic, which is silly for a team whose product is worth at most $5 to watch. Of course, San Diego has a trolley that drops you off right there, for the completely useless price of $5 per person to take twice as long to get to the game.

I remember the same deal in Houston. But for some reason I could always manage to find good street or cheap lot parking for Astros games.

You would think though that since RBiA has ample parking around it and no practical mass transit that they’d make parking cheaper as an incentive, but maybe they’ve learned through marketing that parking is enough a hidden cost that they bring in more fans by cutting tickets by 20% than parking by 50%.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you just park at the old town station?

6 minute trolley ride, 4$ ticket, free parking.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Sep 11, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arlington

Another annoyance is the total lack of public transit that services the Ballpark. The only way to get out there if you don’t have a car or are visiting the Metroplex is by taxi ($$$) or car rental ($$$). Traffic also really sucks on the drive out/drive back. Arlington needs to join DART.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Sep 11, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

arlington cannot join DART

there is a max amount on state sales tax. each city (as you may/may not be aware) potentially has different sales tax amounts, but it cannot exceed a certain amount.

arlington opted out of DART, so they are giving this portion of sales tax (that DART would use) to cowboys. arlington cannot opt in, b/c they have no sales tax to give.

if you will remember, cowboys tried to get irving to rescind their agreement w DART so that cowboys could tap that sales tax money.

basically, jerry is forcing arlington to give money, adding to arlington’s traffic problem and precluding them from joining DART to address those problems. that’s an overly simple statement, but you see the point.

beyond that, rangers not marketing to people that don’t live in metroplex or people that don’t have cars

defeatist pussy lives here

by sam in so cal on Sep 11, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

…there are several options for this.

1. Arlington could cut the budget elsewhere and stick the tiny DART sales tax in. Not going to happen.

2. Arlington could provide some very basic mass transit out of their current budget (Not going to happen).

3. The only reasonable solution. The Legislature kills DART and The T, replacing it with a regional transit authority that encompasses all of the metro area. In the next 25 years if Arlington cannot or will not join one of the current transit authorities it’s going fuck stuff up bad. Right in the middle of everything, no way to bridge the gap.

by Black Francis on Sep 11, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm right there with you Francis.

One of my biggest grievances is that parking costs 12 bucks and it’s a bitch. It used to be 10 dollars then for some reason they raised it, I told my friend that the rangers needed to start winning first before they asked for more of my money.
 Regardless, I use the non rangers parking lots when I go or take a friend with a lexus. I may whine like a little bitch but I won’t stop going to the games.

by bruce182 on Sep 11, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?

by Chase Irwin on Sep 11, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1 zip up pop up!

that Eddie Guardado/Leyland gif would come in handy here :)

HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?

by BigGuns on Sep 11, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler may seem to come off like a douche

but every one of you come off like a bunch of bitches

by bdk03a on Sep 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heh

HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?

by BigGuns on Sep 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec this.

I LOVE THE RANGERS!!!

by dstar442005 on Sep 11, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i kind of agree

why is it a big deal that he asks for the fans to come out to the games when they matter? wouldnt you?

ugh, sometimes i think LSBers love to bitch about their own players because they think it makes them look cool

Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'

by blalock84 on Sep 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've logically concluded

That this thread is made up of your favorite posters and you are just trying to look cool =p
Really though I don’t see where you are coming from with that logic, but whatever.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 11, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol yes i'm sure thats why everyone is commenting on this.

To look cool? good lord you’re an idiot.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Sep 11, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, but internet coolness is very important to me

Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'

by blalock84 on Sep 11, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

…I hate people who complain at silly little things like unemployment at 10% and come up with reasons complaints for why people who might come out to Rangers games decide against it. Pointing out the Rangers record this decade is total loser thinking and it’s not going to help the extra 0.0001% that it completely necessary for this team to make the playoffs.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Sep 11, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh no

now we are all sad.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Sep 11, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, good, so you too recognize that Kinsler comes off like a douche.

So what are you complaining about us for?

Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson

by SarasotaRanger on Sep 11, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is my dream as well:

My dream, as an avid Ranger fan, one who bleeds red—oh, wait—is to do anything I can to help this team win. Frequently, that dream manifests itself in me going up for a foul ball against Arod on the first row of the third base line and ripping it it out of his glove giving Kins another strike to put one 10 rows up and give the Rangers a walk-off-win

Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'

by blalock84 on Sep 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have this dream too...

but in my dream, I use my glove or bare hand to slap the ball out of mid-air and afterward yell “GET THAT SH*T OUATTA HERE!” I wouldn’t even try to catch it. I’d just box up like I’m making a basketball rebound and make sure that there’s no way in hell the opposing player catches the ball.

by e2drummer on Sep 11, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha, whatever it takes

seriously though, that’d be about the hieght of my Ranger fandom if i did something like that

Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'

by blalock84 on Sep 11, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, above average

where are the fans?

what a dick.

this team has sucked more times than not. don;t turn in one good season and expect everybody to be crawling over each other to make the pilgrimage to the temple.

he should be apologizing for the millions of dollars fans wasted the last several years watching this team shit themselves.

defeatist pussy lives here

by sam in so cal on Sep 11, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, attendance at Ranger games was for the most part decent (even when the team was bad)

until after 2005.

Something happened and the fans turned their back on the team.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 years of losing caught up to them

I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.

by JTodd on Sep 11, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

home attendance as a % of capacity since 2001 (rank of 30)

2001 – 14
2002 – 17
2003 – 19
2004 – 14
2005 – 16
2006 – 19
2007 – 18
2008 – 27
2009 – 20

by JDavidd on Sep 11, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with the exception of 2008

I think your assessment is wrong or at least not right. And if you would have provided reasoning that would have been wrong too.

by JDavidd on Sep 11, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't bother

His position is that Jon Daniels taking over as g.m. has ruined baseball in Arlington, and that’s why “after 2005” is the key period of time.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably just another one of those coincidences

concerning JD.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably just another coincidence

attendance immediately improved when Nolan took charge and implemented change.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Last year, when Nolan took charge, they didn’t care.

But once he Implemented Change — because he made so many changes this offseason, after all — the fans sat up and took notice.

I’m sure that even if the team were on pace to win 75 games instead of 95, the attendance would be up remarkably, because Nolan Took Charge and Implemented Change.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attendance is up this year, Adam.

I’m expecting a huge bump (maybe 30,000 per game) when we get to see the full effects (a team that wins 90+ games) of all the change implemented by Nolan.

We’re in much better hands these days and the organization has much more credibility with the fans than it had from October ’05 – February 08.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible...

that even if there was some causal relationship between JD taking over as GM and a drop in attendance numbers that this reflects fan ignorance (and impatience with a dramatic overhaul of the team) more than JD’s ostensible incompetence? I’m thinking, in particular, of fans like, say, you.

by JDT217 on Sep 11, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm agreeing with you

It will be even better in 2010 after Nolan fires Johnny Donuts and brings in a real g.m.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh...

Omar Minaya should be available by then.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 11, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You referenced hopelessness earlier today.

The most hopeless I’ve ever been about This Thing was in 2007.

Glimmers of optimism awoke in me on that glorious day in February 2008 when Nolan Lynn Ryan came aboard.

Don’t think Little Boy Donuts will get his walking papers this off-season (dodged a big bullet last year) but he needs to pull his thumbs out of his ass at the Winter Meetings or the next trade deadline if he wants to stay around for good.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm agreeing with you

He’s incompetent as a g.m. You’ve made that clear. Nolan isn’t going to keep an incompetent g.m. around. So he’ll be fired this offseason, and attendance will skyrocket.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We agree about his incompetency but not that he'll be fired this off-season.

When the organization truly believes his is competent he’ll be able to make significant trades by himself and go to the Winter Meetings by himself, you know, like he used to do before Nolan was hired.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quit wimping out, here

Nolan isn’t going to accept incompetence. He’s going to Implement Change. And that means he’s going to send some Texas High Heat at Jonny Donuts. He’s going to treat him like Robin Ventura, and get a real baseball man here, like John Hart, whose departure led to all the fans bailing on the team.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Little Boy Donuts has

received the Ventura Treatment…when’s the last time he made a dumbfuck Danks for McCarthy trade?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn you are retarded...

Danks sucked in AAA and McCarthy was hailed as the next Jack McDowell….sometimes shit happenss and you never know it.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Sep 12, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

Seeing the smartest man in baseball, John Hart, who’d done so many great things in Texas, replaced by Jon Daniels devastated all the Rangers fans, who started staying home.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 11, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Losing happened, ass.

Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson

by SarasotaRanger on Sep 11, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just losing

but there were horrific dumbfuck inexplainable trades, terrible free agent signings, the hiring of a gm & manager that didn’t know what the hell they were doing, losing the good young players they developed, a number 5 media market with one of the lowest payrolls in baseball…

it all took a toll but it came to a head in October 2005 and things haven’t been the same.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 11, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How the fuck do you KNOW

they didn’t know what the hell they were doing? Looks to me like they got their shit together. I believe without JD, we would not be sitting here with Herr Dutchman, Happy, Elvis, Borbon, Hamilton, O’Day, the Byrdman, Matty Ice, etc, etc, etc, on the big league roster, and a stocked minor league system that ranks among the top in baseball.

KC, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Washington, Toronto, etc have been in a rut for a goddamn decade. We’ve finally have at least a puncher’s chance at the playoffs and you stil want to piss and moan like a belligerent old northeastern curmudgeon.

Is it JD’s fault that he’s cash-strapped by a cheap-and-or financially mismanaged owner? No, it’s not. Do I agree with all of the trades he’s made? Hell no, especially giving up A-Gonz/CY and John Danks, respectively. However, he’s made up for it and put them in a position to compete. Lay off him.

I really don’t understand you.

Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson

by SarasotaRanger on Sep 12, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm calling 12k tonight....

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Sep 11, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

don’t like him, never have. His approach at the plate is maddening, although the stats show him to be a pretty damn good hitter.

Hated him from the very 1st BaD show. He’s a defensive douche, ala Roy Williams.

I’d personally like mgt to pursue trading him this offseason. I really want to see a different approach next year by Ranger hitters and I’ve concluded some of these current guys aren’t going to change their styles.

At the very least, may he never hit lead off in a Ranger’s uniform again, AMEN.

by red shoe ranger on Sep 11, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow...

idiot. Who do you supposed we replace his 30 homers, 90 RBI’s and 30 steals with? Joaquin Arias, Engel Beltre, Justin Smoak, Martin Perez? Good Lord, get a hold of yourself. Just because you don’t like the guy, you want to give up one of the biggest pieces to this teams success?

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Sep 11, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If

Martin Perez can play 2B on his off days then he immediately moves ahead of Feliz as the most tantalizing Ranger prospect.

I didn’t suggest we “give up” Kinsler. I’m assuming the return on him would be significant.

by red shoe ranger on Sep 11, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, so still who do you have play 2nd?

cause there isn’t a major leage ready 2B in the league better than Kinsler.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Sep 11, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Kunkel?

Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."

by Section 339 on Sep 12, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly,

I prefer watching them on my HD TV. I can pause it when I want to go the bathroom/fridge that are just 20 feet away. My central air is set on 76 degrees and my couch is much more comfortable than stadium seats. I watch every game and cheer every night.

I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.

by JTodd on Sep 11, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

me too

and this is why all sports will eventually be pay per view.

by red shoe ranger on Sep 11, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eventually?

you obviously never try to watch games outside your area

try tuning into a fox regional affiliate to watch another team sometime

blackout

pay for mlb package or don’t watch

defeatist pussy lives here

by sam in so cal on Sep 11, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um,

not bloody likely!

"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball

by rangerdanger on Sep 11, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler is a great talent...

and I really like him as a player. He needs to keep thoughts like this to himself though. People have their reasons for not going to games. Whether it’s watching bad baseball for the last decade, can’t afford it, et al. it’s really not his buisness.

His job is to go out and play. Don’t worry about the attendance. That job is for someone else. Just go out there and play, and if possible try and hustle a little more, pay better attention while on the bases, and try to stop popping up so much. =p

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 11, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh

I haven’t heard it, and probably won’t get to since I don’t live in Texas, but… whatever. Kinsler is starting to seem a little loudmouthed this year, but as long as he’s not descending into Milton Bradley-ness or becoming a Manny Ramirez-like distraction, I don’t really care what he says off-field.

Now, when he says shit like “oh, there’s nothing wrong with my swing” when he’s on his way to setting major league records for popups and flyouts*, that’s when I get a little concerned. All he has to do to keep me happy though is play up to his potential.

*hyperbole, I don’t know is he really is or not.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Sep 11, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Boooooo

More annoying than I expected.

They didn’t ask him about the fans.. first he takes the shot in the beginning randomly, then they they said how noone (which I take to mean national media, local media, and yes the fans including diehard ones who do care..) expected them to be winning this year and somehow he uses that as a launching point to complain about attendance?

I assumed they had actually asked him about it and he was just a little too honest for his own good. Instead he seemed to be on a mission to talk about it.

Hmm…

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Sep 12, 2009 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I think I’m starting to understand why opposing pitchers hunt for Ian’s head a lot of the time. Douche.

by JDT217 on Sep 12, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Is this Gregory M Williams ? A.K.A., The Hammer?!?

"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball

by rangerdanger on Sep 12, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler calling out the fans is just whistles and bells

…to generate interest, especially as the Rangers are now competing with not only the Angels and the Red Sox

But now the Cowboys.

You people shouldn’t take this too personally.

Ian planned this perfectly

by oc on Sep 11, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Its not the first time he's said it though

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Ian getting that spot on BaDD radio went to his head.

Which I don’t know why it would, BaDD radio is the worst program on the Ticket.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Sep 12, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

don't you think it could be something else that went to his head?

Perhaps a big contract?

I’m not terribly upset about it, mostly because I think most regular people are the same way, but I think the money changed Kinsler’s personality quite a bit.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 12, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I agree with him.....

…..even if he comes across a bit douchey, arrogant, cocky or whatever.

It still doesn’t change the fact that I wish the stands were full and the atmosphere was electric during this important stretch. We’ve all been waiting, and waiting and waiting some more for those ever so elusive “meaningful games in September”, so now that they are here, we can come up with all sorts of reasons for people not to go.

I understand the economic crunch, but as long as people are paying $5 for a cup of coffee each day (some more than once a day) at Starbucks, then some people are not struggling as much as they contend. However, the reality is that a good number of fans cannot afford it, and I understand it, but I am amazed at how many people that can afford it might use “the economy” as an excuse not to go. Some of those folks are on here.

The DART issue may be a problem for some who can never get to Arlington, but that Trinity Rail thingy gets you pretty damn close. Basically, if you REALLY want to attend, you will find a way there.

I don’t know, perhaps I am just turned off by some of the many excuses people can come up with as to why they don’t go. I’m actually happy that he at least is saying that they want us out there, and if they feed off of the energy of the fans, what’s wrong with saying they want us out there.

Hey, perhaps he is a douche, but that doesn’t make him wrong. Too many people get their feelings hurt over the littlest things around here…..I like certain players and I root for them, but I root for the uniform most of all. Not all players are going to be the nicest guys in the world……and even if they are cool, the first time they say anything “we” don’t like, everything positive they have ever done is out the window and people start ripping them apart. There are several extremists on here, based on their back and forth waffling on players…..it’s just tiresome.

I hope the fans do fill it up, and I hope the team feeds off the energy….and if they don’t show up because of Kinsler appearing to be douchey, that’s pretty weak. If they TRULY cannot afford it, that is one thing, and quite understandable. The rest of it is just weak-ass horseshit.

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Sep 12, 2009 6:29 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

i disagree

of course fan involvement and high attendance is a good thing and we are all for it. and when we go to a game we like to think that our support has some sort of contribution in spurring them on to perform better. ian could have easily gotten that point across in a diplomatic way had he wanted to, but he did not. his point was more to admonish fans and the media for their collective “dissing” of this team.

you ask what’s wrong with him saying he wants us there, and that’s a fine question to ask, but there’s a difference in saying you want someone to do something and chastising them for not doing it.

the economy, the lack of recent on-the-field success, the heat, the location of the ballpark, the construction and traffic in the area, and a general antipathy towards baseball are some of the possible explanations for attendance being less than what the rangers would like it to be. these are all legitimate reasons not to go to a game. but the best excuse is that it’s not mine or anyone else’s fucking obligation as a fan to go to a game. for the record, i dont buy $5 coffees, but if i did, even if i bought $5 coffees specifically with money i would have otherwise spent on rangers games, it wouldnt be any of ian kinsler’s or nolan ryan’s or tom hicks’s business (or your’s for that matter) to tell me off for it.

i do agree with you that ian’s comments shouldnt completely turn us off from rooting for him. he was just being honest at least, and im sure there are plenty of other players on various teams that feel similarly. most of them have the better sense not to say it publicly. regardless, i still cheer for him and am glad he is signed here long term at a very affordable price.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Sep 12, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem whatsoever with what Kinsler said.

Ogulnick said that there were several other Rangers (off the record) who echoed what Kinsler said but were much more negative about the fans.

Jeez, less than 17,000 for a game in late June with LAAA? That’s inexcusable but we all know why it happened.

Large doses of apathy set in after 2005 and the fans still need to be wooed back. Winning this year with a very likeable team is going to set them up next year and hopefully they maintain the momentum.

We also need a Mark Cuban / Jerry Jones type of owner who gives a damn about winning and won’t take the fans for granted.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 12, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think attendance is a bit of a lagging indicator

of team performance. When a good team starts to fade, fans still come out for a while, until it’s clear the team has burrowed its way down to a new tier. And when a bad team finally starts to show signs of improvement, there is a lot of skepticism, as we have seen throughout this year. I think we can finally acknowledge this team is the real deal, but a lot of casual fans, whose attendance is contingent on believing this team is a true contender, are maybe only now starting to believe.

I’d agree that next year should bring a healthy boost in attendance. They will have an entire off-season to develop the season ticket and corporate type sales. They will have a number of exciting players to market and they will be able to credibly make the case to fans that this is a team poised to be one of the bests in the American League.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Sep 12, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winning is the number one thing but it's not the only thing.

You can’t take the fans for granted.

You can’t let your young players go that you developed because you say you can’t afford them.

You can’t make boneheaded trades or free agent signings.

You can’t appear to be apathetic about winning.

Keeping the highly unpopular GM in a suite when playing at home (he will sit in a seat near the dugout on the road) out of sight and off the field is also a good policy going forward.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Sep 12, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

large doses of apathy set in long before 2005

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the business office should take advantage

I think they could do a better job of this opportunity. I think I’d be saturating the market with promos and giving away big blocks of cheap 3rd deck seats to groups of school kids or whatever.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 12, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they would but the reality is

no promo will be successful if you dont have jim knox to plug it to death

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Sep 12, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Economy might have a tiny bit to do with it

but how many people are gonna drop a couple HUNDRED dollars to see the Cowboys this season. A family can go to a Rangers game for 6 dollars per adult and 5 per child and possibly have the kids get in free depending on age. There’s a parking lot on Randol Mill Rd and Magic Mile St that’s 7 bucks to park (Every Friday Rangers Parking is 5 Bucks + Fireworks). I bring my own water, cokes and snacks for the kids and will usually stop at Sonic or Whataburger and get a couple burgers to take in.

Anyway what I’m saying is I’m not sure how many people know how affordable it actually is compared to other local entertainment. And holy shit the Rangers are actually playing for something in SEPTEMBER!!

Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."

by Section 339 on Sep 12, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah..

as far as sporting events go its much cheaper than football or nba, etc. and a lot of people dont realize you can bring in food and drinks. someone was asking me a while back about where to sit, etc and if they should get the all you can eat seats. and i told them, you can bring in food and drink check the website. they were shocked.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Sep 12, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but...

…if everyone did what I did and went to one Cowboys game and two Rangers game last year, the Cowboys attendance would look a lot better than the Rangers attendance due to the number of games. I don’t live in the metroplex anymore, so I can’t make it up to as many games.

It’s a lot harder to grow a baseball fan base into what the Red Sox or Cardinals, etc, have. Look at the Rays, they are a good team but still have some attendance issues. Especially in a city that has a big NFL draw like the Cowboys, Rangers players will have to realize that they aren’t going to get a big fan base overnight.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Sep 12, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Avid Dream

This is somewhat a reality for me, but it was once a dream: As an avid Ranger fan, one who bleeds red—oh, wait—is to do anything I can to help this team win. Frequently, that dream manifests itself in me going up for a foul ball against Arod on the first row of the third base line and ripping it it out of his glove giving Kins another strike to put one 10 rows up and give the Rangers a walk-off-win

I actually have season tickets on the front row, hence the screen name :-) and on July 19th, caught a foul ball by leaning out over the tarp to get it. The next pitch to Kinsler was a walk off home run. Now, the ball was a rocket, as most Kinsler foul balls to my section are, so there was no chance of it being caught for an out.

However, I too dream of pulling a “reverse Bartman” on A-rod or any visiting player. I came close once. I always back off when the Rangers are attempting to make a play, but Oakland outfielder Aaron Cunningham sure didn’t like it when I got in his Koolaid last year causing him to misjudge a routine popup in fair territory right on the line in front of me. The next game he played in left field, I made sure to let him know what an amazing play he made, to which he proceeded to shoot me the middle finger. I didn’t go down like that though, but I’ll leave my response to him out of the post to protect the innocent :-)

Nevertheless, with the cool moments like those, there are the epic fails. Missing a foul ball that should have stayed in my glove is quite embarassing and when it’s so bad that you hear the entire Ballpark booing you instead of just the people around you, it’s like rubbing salt in the wound :-P

by FrontRowVITZ on Sep 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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