Josey Wales - The Contest
by benmor78 on Sep 14, 2009 10:14 AM CDT
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Do you know what a logical fallacy is? "A fallacy is an argument which provides poor reasoning in support of its conclusion. Fallacies differ from other bad arguments in that many people find them psychologically persuasive. That is, people will mistakenly take a fallacious argument to provide good reasons to believe its conclusion. An argument can be fallacious whether or not its conclusion is true." I was thinking the other day how Josey is like an almanac of logical fallacies.
Budding lawyer? Took philosophy in college? Recognize the tortuous bending of logic of a tired old man with a tired old bit? Since it's a dreary day, and kind of a downer for Ranger fans, I'm holding a contest. This post will remain open for the next two days. We're going to play Josey Wales logical fallacy bingo. The person who posts the most Josey Wales' examples of logical fallacies from the list in the above link (and no double dipping -- you can't just post the same logical fallacy over and over again with different examples) will win one of DShepp's t-shirts courtesy of yours truly. Post a link to the comment when you provide your examples.
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I love this example in Wiki.
Not part of the game, but just makes me laugh thinking about Josey.
Begging the question: demonstrates a conclusion by means of premises that assume that conclusion.
Example:
Argument:BillyJosey must be telling the truth, because I have heard him say the same thing many times before.
Problem:BillyJosey may be consistent in what he says, but he may have been lying the whole time.
Also called Petitio Principii, Circulus in Probando, arguing in a circle, assuming the answer. It is worth noting that a circular argument may actually be both logically and factually correct. Circularity itself has no bearing on the truth or falseness of the argument at all, the fallacy is to use a circular argument as a proof of truth.
Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?
by AceJC on Sep 14, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Probably the most common kind of fallacy I’ve noticed him indulge. As for specific examples, pretty much anything related to our 28-19 record following the June Swoon.
I’d like to think that if Josey were a budding lawyer, he’d not engage in such fallacious arguments so regularly. The LSAT’s arguments sections would have destroyed him.
by JDT217 on Sep 14, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben
I still have my Josey bingo card around on the home computer somewhere. It’s pretty much all his catchphrases, rather than logical fallacies.
Though given what we know about him, shouldn’t it be “logical fellatios?”
I keed, I keed…
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Josey bingo card was a failed bit.
Lots of hype, zero bang and a collective “That’s all there is?” sigh from the room.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha ha
Lots of hype, zero bang and a collective "That’s all there is?" sigh from the room.
That describes your bit to a T.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Lots of great things weren’t appreciated at the time of their release.
Hank says he’s lonely, BTW…
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bingo card
Now that I think about it, I know nothing was wrong with it technically. The idea was apparently good enough that Ben’s copying it for this post. Promotion of the product wasn’t an issue either.
So, after considering everything else, I can only come to one conclusion: blame the source material.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the 80-62 thread
not sure if it qualifies
Having Chris Davis, who still needs to hit in the 8 hole with Young & Hamilton out of the line-up, go 3 for 19 (.158) v. Baltimore & Seattle is a big reason we went 2-4 at the worst time of the year. Texas had gone 6-1 v. Seattle at home before this past weekend.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's sort of difficult to symbolize the structure of JW's "arguments."
But this is just a basic deductive fallacy.
Premise: Chris Davis went 3-19 during the 6 games against Seattle and Baltimore [therefore]
Conclusion: The play of Chris Davis is a “big reason we went 2-4” during the 6 games against Baltimore and Seattle.
Evidence in support: Texas had gone 6-1 v. Seattle at home before this past weekend
This argument meets the sufficiency criterion (nevermind the post hoc fallacy) only if JW can further demonstrate that Chris Davis’ play did not also contribute to the team going 6-1 against Seattle at home prior this past weekend.
by JDT217 on Sep 14, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yawn
You can do this for just about anyone at LSB. Josey’s bad, but he’s hardly exceptional around here in that regard.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 14, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Josey’s bad, but he’s hardly exceptional around here in that regard.
That is a ridiculous statement
by Anonymous New Guy on Sep 14, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I refuse...
to take part in your contest Ben.
If I can’t state the same logical fallacy over and over again then there is no point, since that’s all JW does anyway.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Seems simlar to the methods of
Joseph Goebbels.
by SanDiegoKev on Sep 14, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, that was quick!
Godwin’s Law in full effect!
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wait?
Let’s get down to the nitty gritty of the methodology in question here. The constant repetition or the hammering of the Big Lie, gets bigger and bigger, no?
by SanDiegoKev on Sep 14, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Danks Law
“As an LSB or NMLR discussion grows longer, the probability of an invoking of the Danks trade or Chris Young trade approaches 1.”[
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 14, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U nuss the days when this was the JuanGon argument
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 14, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup. the gonzo trade was my first experience with josey just losing all sense of rational thought in a discussion
he hasnt made consistent sense, since…. and that was 4 or 5 years ago now i guess.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Sep 14, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed him
In Inglourious Basterds.
by brettgardner on Sep 14, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
because we can’t live with a 1B who has an OPS below .710. Jeeeeez, Tiny E hit better than that as an 18 year old in AA!!!
argument translated: an 18 year old in AA had an OPS > .710, therefore, our 23 yr old first baseman prospect should perform better in the major leagues
by BuckyB on Sep 14, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this probably doesn't count, but
The mindless cheerleader
in me doesn’t care or use logic
by BuckyB on Sep 14, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A reply
WestTx
Yeah, and I think Jamey’s anger with Galloway is not so much that his friend gets ripped
Its that Galloway continually rips the Rangers and everyone associated with them when he very clearly has no idea what he’s talking about, nor has he for at least a decade.
Josey’s response
The problem with those thoughts, Aggie
is that Galloway has written several highly complimentary columns on the Rangers this year (including one today).
LOGIC FAIL!
by BuckyB on Sep 14, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this
would be a Seinfeld reference involving Josey and a picture of Hank F.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If Josey was in the World Series,
They would have to rename it the “Fallacy Classic”.
(Thank you. I’ll be here all night.)
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
by txranger7 on Sep 14, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone explored the possiblity
that Josey is actually Hank Blalock? Josey could be Hank’s LSB log in, because I can’t see how anyone can have that much love for him. Plus, now that Hank is glued to the pine, he has plenty of time to post random gibberish.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
by RA Dickey on Sep 14, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RA Dickey
It’s not love or like for Hank Blalock.
When he played, he gave us a better chance to win than Chris Davis.
28-19 after the June Swoon confirms this as do the three months of an .840+ OPS (Davis has yet to have a full month in The Show with an OPS above .710).
Davis has been here three weeks and his average, obp and ops have shown no major improvements. The fact that he still regularly hits 8th (with Young & Hamilton gone) confirms exactly how he is viewed by management.
If the team wins at a higher pace than 28-19 and CDavis finally starts playing well I will gladly STFU but that hasn’t been the case.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis' post-ASB OPS is almost 200 points higher than Blalock's.
But please, go on.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, he actually STFU
JW is no liar, apparently
by BuckyB on Sep 14, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I know who just won the contest, Tep...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 14, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry,
no mulligans in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, no, he's still on the course, actually.
And he’s shooting a full 200 shots lower than Hank Blalock.
But again, please, go on.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock has had a disappointing year
(and I’m betting we hear some kind of back story when this season ends) but in The Show, where it counts, Blalock’s OPS is STILL 51 points higher than Chris Davis.
Still 51 points higher in The Show.
The reason Davis is playing every day now and regularly hitting 8th has little to do with his ability and almost everything to do with the general manager who drafted him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then...
…because a player (Blalock) played better earlier in the season than he is now, he should be put ahead of a player who is playing better than him right now (Davis)?
By that logic, Jason Jennings should be our closer. Dude was lights out in May (2.61 ERA!).
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y otra vez...
No te oigo con los juevos de Blalock en su boca.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks babelfish!
And again… I do not hear to you with the juevos of Blalock in its mouth.
lol
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 14, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found one!
“The fact that he still regularly hits 8th (with Young & Hamilton gone) confirms exactly how he is viewed by management.”
vs.
“The reason Davis is playing every day now and regularly hitting 8th has little to do with his ability and almost everything to do with the general manager who drafted him.”
So he’s not viewed well by management because he’s hitting 8th, but he’s playing every day because the GM (who’s, you know, part of MANAGEMENT) drafted him?
Logic fail!
And while we’re at it, you never did respond to a question I posed you a couple weeks back- do you really think JD is unique in playing “his guys” over ones acquired by the previous regime?
Because from the way you’ve gone on with that argument, you act like it’s a concept you’ve never encountered before, instead of something pretty much every GM/manager in the history of pro sports has always done.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he's here because JD drafted him...
what the Hell does that matter if Nolan is running the show?
by JShoe on Sep 15, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why Hank is on the bench.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post ASB:
.199 .227 .333 .560
- vs -
.269 .301 .478 .779
Hmm, who would I pick?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 14, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for finding the numbers.
My mistake: Chris Davis’ post-ASB OPS isn’t “almost 200 points higher than Blalock’s.”
It’s more than 200 points higher than Blalock’s.
Shame on me.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about this
.202 .256 .415 Davis when he was sent down.
.229 .261 .389 Blalock after he was given the 1B job
.269 .301 .478 Davis since returning to the MLs.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty cut and dry right there.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hank Blalock war
ended with Blalock forfeiting.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock Caused the June Swoon!
Blalock in June: OPS .593, Record: 7-11 (.398%)
Davis in June: OPS: .675, Record: 11-14 (.417%)
Neither is good, but it seems Davis was better than Blalock. I blame Blalock’s sub .600 OPS for sucking the life out of the offense.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 14, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you won't.
You never just STFU.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Sep 14, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOh! Ooh! I got this one!
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
by philkid3 on Sep 15, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if Josey keeps posting in this thread
can he be the winner?
by GregoryM on Sep 14, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just Buchholz and
another pitch would have been a good deal.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sportsillustrated.cnn.com is blocked by my work for sports and lingerie/bikini
Seriously? Also, ESPN is blocked.
by Inkara1 on Sep 14, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Rudy at #12 as possible replacements
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Sep 14, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
V the A's this year.
Hank Blalock 11 for 45, .750 OPS 3 HR 6 RBI
Chris Davis 4 for 20, .623 OPS, 1 HR 2 RBI
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got a haircut.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched "What's Up Tiger Lily" yesterday morning
Hadn’t seen it in a few years- almost forgot how funny it is…
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK?
Do you just not have a response to the fact that Chris Davis has been clearly statistically better than Hank Blalock since the All-Star break?
Or are you going to start referencing splits against teams that Davis hasn’t faced since being recalled?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it makes you feel better
I expect Blalock to start at 1B tonight. CD fouled a ball off his foot last night and Wash will see this as a good reason to put Hank in the lineup.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.
Hank F has been buried on purpose.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong
Wash has CD at 1B and batting 8th.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As well he should...
Baseball is a funny game, when you tend to suck as bad as Blalock has since the ASB you get buried on purpose.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he has.
He sucks, so they purposely buried him.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If no first baseman on the roster is actually going to help us win. . .
. . . I’ll go with the one that might be a part of our future.
by philkid3 on Sep 15, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to play that game?
V the Mariners this year:
Hank Blalock 13 for 48, .863 OPS 4 HR 8 RBI
Chris Davis 8 for 30 1.013 OPS 4 HR 7 RBI
V the Blue Jays this year:
Hank Blalock 5 for 21, .606 OPS 0 HR 1 RBI
Chris Davis 11 for 33, .954 OPS 2 HR 8 RBI
V the Diamondbacks this year:
Hank Blalock 0 for 4, .200 OPS 0 HR 0 RBI
Chris Davis 5 for 8, 1.825 OPS 1 HR 2 RBI
by Inkara1 on Sep 14, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's also interesting about Hank F
is just how much he has tortured the Angels during his career. He kills the Angels like no other team and it’s not close.
29 HR / 80 RBI with .301 average / .932 OPS.
This year was no different (4 HR / 8 RBI with 1007 OPS).
Yet you can’t play him this weekend or later on because somebody, somewhere thought it would be wise to bury him. 4 at bats in the last 12 days? Okaaaaay…
Chris Davis v LAAA this year?
2 for 23 (.087 average / .217 OPS).
At least the GM up in the suite (wearing a snuggie, sipping cocoa and “monitoring all things related to the Ranger minor leagues while Nolan sits near the dugout”) got to see somebody he drafted play while the vet with the better season gets buried.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss someone saying that Hank wouldn't play against the Angels this weekend?
You make it sound like he won’t be playing this weekend.
And as long as JD keeps drafting/bringing in players like O’Day, Elvis, Smoak, Borbon, Hunter, Feliz, and Holland, he can monitor the minors all day long.
Leave JD out of this. Hank is stinking it up right now. He’s the Millwood of our offense. He can’t defend as well as Davis, can not hit as well as Davis recently, and is not a part of our future. If he’s buried, so be it.
The Rangers are moving forward with the team that is going to win today, tomorrow, and in 2010.
Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?
by AceJC on Sep 14, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's work on trying to beat Baltimore and Seattle during September
in the year we’re actually in contention before worrying about 2010.
The Sack of Shit going 3 for 19 was a big reason we lost both of those series.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Sack of Shit going 3 for 19 was a big reason we lost both of those series."
Conclusory/Ipsedixitism
by JDT217 on Sep 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logical Fallacy
Hanks’ career split pre/post All-Star break:
Pre-ASB – .288/.348/.497/.845
Post-ASB- .247/.307/.425/.731
so with a Pre-ASB line of .260/.307/.547/.854 then logically we could have expected .219/.266/.475/.740 which would have sucked but the fallacy is the notion that a .199/.227/.333/.560 line that he actually sported carried This Thing in July and August.
.199/.227/.33/.560 is beyond disappointing…for $6 million it’s highway robbery.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Sep 14, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Davis performs well and the Rangers win, there's no problem but ...
the sack of shit has to hit 8th (with Young & Hamilton gone) and goes 3 for 19 v Seattle & Baltimore and the team loses 4 of 6 games.
It also happens at the worst time of the year when the team cannot afford to lose to inferior teams and they consequently find themselves at the abyss and in all likelihood done.
So it’s really simple, make sure the sack of shit peforms and then win the game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Again...
Do you just not have a response to the fact that Chris Davis has been clearly statistically better than Hank Blalock since the All-Star break?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just make
sure the sack of shit performs and the team wins, ghtd.
That makes things very simple.
3 for 19 and losing 4 of 6 to Baltimore & Seattle in September is shitting the bed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Because the performance of Chris Davis is solely responsible for the outcome of the Ranger game on every given night.
If he goes 0-4, but Tommy Hunter pitches a complete game shutout, the Rangers will still find a way to lose.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No..... Hank
going 0 for 13 with 6 K’s vs Boston in August was shitting the bed.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Sep 14, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank F is buried
This now all on the shoulders of Chris Davis and his sub .700 OPS shoulders.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it important
that only Davis perform well and not someone like Kinsler who bats at the top of the order?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what did Kinsler do in those two series?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
What if Davis performs poorly and the Rangers win, or performs well and the Rangers lose?
In either case, that “sack of shit” is still hitting better than your buddy Hank F lately.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Sep 14, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey is getting unraveled
There’s nothing sophisticated or nuanced about calling a player a sack of shit. I’m actually surprised that phrase isn’t capitalized.
by cstorm15 on Sep 14, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey's MO
Is, when his arguments are exposed as just awful and stupid, he begins to insult either the person he is arguing with or the person they are debating. Classic Josey Donuts.
by FuturePants on Sep 15, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
When it’s completely inarguable he’s being an idiot, he goes in to ad hominem.
Ooh, do I get a token on that square, too?
by philkid3 on Sep 15, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to the GDT archives
Specifically before his first game back just before the first pitch was thrown, I said Chris Davis coming back up and playing every day was the beginning of The End.
It didn’t work in June and it isn’t working at the most important time of the year. Getting shutout by Brett Tomko at home? What the fuck?!?!!?
Hopefully Davis gets his act together next spring or Justin Smoak is everything that’s been promised.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good grief
How did this team ever have a 20-9 May and in first place in the AL West with Davis at 1B is a astounding!
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 15, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rest of the team carried
CDavis’ sorry unproductive ass in May.
I say sorry unproductive ass because CD hit .189 that month with a .238 obp.
When injuries happened in June, they couldn’t keep propping him up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 15, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Therefore, couldn't you also say...
That the rest of the team carried Hank F’s sorry unproductive ass the rest of the year?
Also, have you ever heard of the phrase “small sample size”? “Cherry picking”? How about the word “logic”?
by jwiscarson on Sep 15, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to trade elvis + feliz + holland + Davis + hamilton
for a solid 1bman… I didn’t realize they were the main impactor on whether a team wins, but I guess so
by BuckyB on Sep 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Hank F tonight. Training wheels and pacifier still very firmly affixed.
1. Julio Borbon, DH
2. Elvis Andrus, SS
3. Ian Kinsler, 2B
4. Marlon Byrd, CF
5. David Murphy, LF
6. Nelson Cruz, RF
7. Ivan Rodriguez, C
8. Chris Davis, 1B
9. Omar Vizquel, SS
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 14, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if CD has training wheels and a stroller
Hanks wears Depends and uses a walker.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would we want to have nelly cruz
in the 6 hole when he should be four if u ask me nelly would be 4 which would make Davis 6 right? So logic and lineup dont go hand in hand anyways only part I love is 1 and 2
Nobody punished like Earl and No one was nastier than Ryan
by Garcia34 on Sep 14, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian should be batting 6th
Byrd 3rd and Nellie 4th.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm afraid you're right.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Sep 14, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really expect anything else when you created this fanpost?
by LiamP on Sep 14, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually expected people...
to link to old Josey posts and label them with which fallacy they represented.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Sep 14, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about others...
but I already feel like enough of my LSB time is wasted skim reading through his bullshit.
This last thing I want to do is take the time to go back and look through all his posts.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The problem here is that...
I think we’ve all had the same arguments with Josey since we individually started participating here. I remember arguing with him about Brandon McCarthy right after I joined, when he uttered the genius phrase that his “arm was rejecting the notion of pitching in The Show”, as if his arm were a sentient being with a will unto itself.
Frankly, every argument I’ve had with him since has just been one big blur. It’s like having a baby poop itself. You might remember the first time and the most recent time, but unless your baby poops all over the wall and the ceiling, the rest of them run together.
by jwiscarson on Sep 15, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet Brandon McCarthy's body did indeed
reject the notion that he could be a starter who could be relied upon to take bump 30 times this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 15, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His injuries are attributable to his mechanical flaws.
So, you really should be saying that he couldn’t pitch in the majors with his mechanics. This is not an indicator that he could not pitch at all, but that his mechanics were really bad. I think we’ve all seen Trip’s high-speed videos and commentary about this.
by jwiscarson on Sep 15, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come back to me when
he makes 30 starts in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 15, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks.
One of these days, I’ll kick the habit of responding to you. Your inability to distinguish simple differences in statements and make basic correct logical deductions is really like a drug habit. I keep thinking that it’s humanly impossible for you to chronically commit the same logical fallacies, but you do it time and time again. You ignore posts where people have proven you wrong, and then restate the same argument you’ve tirelessly made for ages without a moment’s pause for introspection, or even a moment’s pause to read a dictionary definition.
It’s like LSB is holding this continuous intervention for you, Josey. We’re all trying so desperately to get you to stop your addiction to stupid, but thus far we haven’t broken through.
by jwiscarson on Sep 15, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
He's gotta hit rock bottom first.
Wonder what that would be?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Sep 15, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I got to rock bottom
…but I’ve found the troll script helps a lot. I made mine just say “Some Stupid Bastard” when certain people make a post.
by Black Francis on Sep 15, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and Josey
…is never going to hit rock bottom. He’s in a static condition, doing the same thing over and over again.
by Black Francis on Sep 15, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously considered installing it, but...
sometimes, I read Adam’s (or another well-respected and well-spoken poster’s) arguments with Josey and find them hysterical, so I decided against it.
And sometimes I allow myself to get dragged into these banal arguments and curse myself.
by jwiscarson on Sep 15, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if I do want to read them I just open up another browser.
I find myself doing it less and less because with him it really is the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
by Black Francis on Sep 15, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do, Uncle Rico
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 15, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure i get the contest
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Sep 14, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pine Box not playing again tonight
Thank Goodness!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 14, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so
us open men’s final not shown live in US?
interesting…
usa
by Longhorn on Sep 14, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the US Open
back in June? :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
it’s on CBS right now
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, they pre-empted Monday Night Football for it.
Pissed me off to no degree. I timed my break (I work nights) to catch some of the game, and instead, it’s tennis.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 15, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all honesty..
I’d rather not see CD or Hank play. They both have been terrible.
Can we not agree on that?
by kch tx on Sep 15, 2009 2:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis is part of the future
a lot more reason to play him than Blalock even if he wasn’t outhitting Blalock.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Sep 15, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No we can't.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 15, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CDavis makes them minimum.....
Blalock has stolen $6.2 mil this year alone…….how long did he go without a walk, while playing every day? 42 straight K’s without a walk? At least he set a record while sucking.
by tklawless on Sep 15, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This Thing
June Swoon…….Little Boy Donuts……..KKKKKKKKris………… waaaaaaaaah :’(
by CS3 on Sep 15, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot one
The Show
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Sep 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Source validation
Not so much simply logical fallacy. In a sense, a fallacy being logical approaches becoming an oxymoron. However, any statement made or term applied should be based on either a provable reality, or a deduction that leaves no further logical decomposition.
Just as Wikipedia is generally not accepted as a content source in the academic world, statements or descriptors made without verification (including verification of citations) should not be accepted. Here are some of Josey’s engaging but unvalidated works.
- The Show. (should require experience within major league baseball, or acceptance by validated writers who have used the best practices in their analysis to determine the threshhold of major league competency). Use of slang protractions one is not qualified to have leaned from either type of productive use should be eliminated. Further, “the show” has multiple meanings and a variety of terms of usage. Conclusion: at best, it’s hollow simile and used improperly in any judgmental commentary critical of participants in major league baseball, be they administrators or competitors. Cease and desist.
- The Great Game. (see “The Show”) Further, there is no concrete evidence that baseball is either larger, more significant, holier, more sanitary, more humane, more appealing, more useful, or more rewarding than other sports, not to mention other enterprise that could be viewed as a game. Conclusion: easily mistaken as an expression of reverence or high status, clearly a valid opinion but clearly not a validated nor logical factual conclusive descriptor. Don’t demean the term by including it in self aggrandizing prose.
- Little Boy Donuts. Ascribed as a term of disrespect for Jon Daniels, General Manager of the Texas Rangers. Flawed logically in several ways. Mr. Daniels is not little. He is less physically large than some other humans, and is physically larger than some other humans. One illogical appellation. Mr. Daniels is not by legal definition nor by racial epithet a “boy”. Although male, no metric is given to qualify how such a term is ascribed. Fails first perception logic. And Donuts? Never qualified as either of description of Mr. Daniels physiology, or some oblique reference to his mindset or power of reasoning, nor any propensity to purchase, transport, consume, save, collect, hurl, ring toss, crumble, bite, paint, decorate, or distribute donuts. Thus an inapplicable term, lacking in both definition and factorials which might make the term appropriate.
- Jon Boy. (See Little Boy Donuts). Also fails to provide associate fact or facts that Josey is sufficiently acquainted with Mr. Daniels to identify him by first name.
- Hank F (or any other player name followed by F). F is not sourced to a word beginning with the letter F. One cannot prove by reading aand attempting to decipher meaning just what F represents. There is no factual resource that isolates using the letter F behind a players’ name, unless that players middle initial in fact begins with the letter F, or his surname begins with the letter F. If used as a pejorative adjective, such as “fucking”, it’s representative of an unqualified, unvalidated expression of opinion. One does not know if the Hank in question is engaging in sexual intercourse, is performing so poorly as to draw denigration, or performing so well as to earn profane laced admiration. Conclusion: use of “F” is ambiguous, and the purpose for such use cannot be validated.
(this could go on and on and on, examining both pattern of speech and ostensible reason for using arcane, oblique, defamatory, or other ill-conceived terminology, but the point is, Josey’s contribution of posts within discussion entries on a baseball blog are “logically” unfounded, without validation, and don’t merit examination for logic.)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Nothing on narcissism?
How about a bloated treatise on hypocrisy?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 16, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Hypocrisy can be rampant, and sometimes met with opposing hypocrisy. It is not a foundation for or delivery system that includes logic. And narcissism is a personality trait, which can affect the presentation of information, but not the content of information itself.
Don’t let labels and tags for people be a theme when discussing fact versus non fact.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 16, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so far...
Ed’s the frontrunner for the free DShepp t-shirt.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Sep 16, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in all fairness
I’m off the mark with regard to fallacy. Ben took a brilliant approach to evaluating discourse, and I spun off into basis. A nice prize might be more appropriate to someone who stuck with the fallacy theme.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 16, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work, but one quibble
“- The Show. (should require experience within major league baseball, or acceptance by validated writers who have used the best practices in their analysis to determine the threshhold of major league competency). Use of slang protractions one is not qualified to have leaned from either type of productive use should be eliminated. Further, "the show" has multiple meanings and a variety of terms of usage. Conclusion: at best, it’s hollow simile and used improperly in any judgmental commentary critical of participants in major league baseball, be they administrators or competitors. Cease and desist.”
Fair, but relentlessly elitist. I can’t help but think of sportswriters in mainstream publications disparaging the knowledgeable bloggers “living in mom’s basement” (FJM has returned, did ya see?) because those bloggers, well, don’t resort to the same cliche-ridden claptrap the MSM guys employ. Which is the real problem with “The Show.” It’s a stupid cliche that no one—not MLB players, MSM sportswriters, or douche pumps like JW—should use.
by JDT217 on Sep 16, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
However to me, validated writers are those like Joe Posnanski (and Adam) and maybe bloggers like Jeff Sullivan, who dig into, research, and examine the basis for what they say and write. I see the barbed wire fence (imaginary but mean spirited) the BBWA thinks is in place, and didn’t mean to be anything like that. I was hoping to suggest “quality writing”, both in terms of composition and in terms of accurate, well founded backgrounding.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 16, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Self-aggrandizing
two words that maybe describe Josey better than any others.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Sep 16, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
Self-fellating is probably a little more…I don’t know. Effective.
by Black Francis on Sep 17, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A relevant quote
“I see Chris Davis taking another step forward although this year it might be incremental. By 2010, he should be able to hit 40 bombs (if healthy) in The Show.” – Josey Wales
by RobertC on Sep 16, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're Josey
After careful analysis of thousands and thousands of posts, I have come to the conclusion that Josey is your sock puppet.
/smiles wryly and winks/ Well done, my man … well done.
by robert_d_wilfong on Sep 16, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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