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Should the Rangers Sit Kevin Millwood?

Texas Rangers pitcher Kevin Millwood reacts after giving up a solo home run to the Baltimore Orioles in the third inning of a baseball game Saturday, Sept. 5, 2009, in Baltimore. The Orioles won 5-4. (AP Photo/Gail Burton)

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5 months ago: Texas Rangers pitcher Kevin Millwood reacts after giving up a solo home run to the Baltimore Orioles in the third inning of a baseball game Saturday, Sept. 5, 2009, in Baltimore. The Orioles won 5-4. (AP Photo/Gail Burton)

Evan Grant thinks the Rangers need to think long and hard about whether or not Kevin Millwood is going to stay in the team's rotation -- not just for financial reasons, but for baseball reasons:

According to the MLB.com boxscore, Millwood hit 90 mph with just two of his 69 pitches. Both came in Franklin Gutierrez’s fourth-inning at bat with two outs. The second, Gutierrez ripped for a two-run double. For the most part, though, Millwood’s fastball ranged from 86-88 mph. His changeup sat at 83-84. When your fastball and changeup are bunched that closely in velocity, you aren’t going to fool anybody.  The slider registered 81-83 mph. And so, unless it had David Cone’s sweeping break, batters could look for the fastball and still be able to hit the slider. Millwood had decent success with his curve, which dropped down to the 70-71 mph range. He got a pair of strikeouts on the curve, including one of Ichiro Suzuki. And yet, he threw the curve only five times.

It raises this question: Is he healthy?

Washington said he asked Millwood that and Millwood responded in the affirmative. The media asked Millwood the same question and he responded  that he absolutely physically felt fine.

Except I’m still not sure. Remember the start of the second half of the season? The Rangers gave Millwood, who had spent the first half of the season as their most effective starter, extra rest. He went nine days between his last start of the first half and his first of the second. And in his second start following the break, he left after just two innings with a strained gluteus maximus muscle.

He has not been the same since.

Also some discussion of Ron Washington backing off his earlier statement that Millwood would start on Friday...good article, check it out...

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I think he's hurt

The more I think about it, it is the only explanation. I don’t put it beyond him to ignore an injury and not tell people because of his option, and we all know that hurt Millwood <<<<<<<<< healthy Millwood. He isn’t like some pitchers who are effective when they are less than 100%.

That and if the team still thinks it is in this race, it needs someone who gives the team a chance to win every time he goes out to the mound. Millwood is the scariest starter on this team right now, at least to me.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 14, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This, to me, seems to be the only thing

that could explain his dropoff. He didn’t regress, he collapsed, and the team is in a terrible fix with him right now because of it. I’m totally in favor of skipping a start to see if they can figure it out, but you cannot sit him for the rest of the year without risking a Scott Boras/MLBPA tag team of retribution. No way can you sit Millwood.

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by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"no way can you sit Millwood"

Why not? I don’t have a law degree like half this board, but it would seem to me that the grievance would basically boil down to the union making a case that he was set down for financial reasons, and the Rangers making a case that he was shut down for health/performance reasons. Seems like there would be sufficient statistical evidence in support of the latter claim.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 14, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, go ahead

but I’m saying be prepared for a huge battle with two entities that never shy away from an opportunity to challenge that sort of thing. Sitting a player just 8 outs (I think) away from a $12 million vesting option looks bad when there seems to be no health problem.

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by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there seems to be no health problem

Actually I thought you were saying the opposite in your post above.

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by hightowersmith on Sep 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

there seems to be no easily identifiable health problem. It wouldn’t surprise me if they found one, though.

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by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is 12 million dollars

worth alienating every potential free agent this club tries to sign under JD, Nolan & co?

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 14, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

free agency is largely about which team offers the most guaranteed money

If there is a FA that we offer the most guaranteed money to, I doubt he will take a lesser offer from another team because of what happened to Kevin Millwood’s option.

And really, missing out on the big ticket free agents that they have bid on has been one of the most fortuitous things that has happened to the team recently.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 14, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought it was going to be incentive-laden BECAUSE

they were going to have Millwood vested.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its incentive laiden

because Sheets just missed a full year with a bad shoulder.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES.
If there is a FA that we offer the most guaranteed money to, I doubt he will take a lesser offer from another team because of what happened to Kevin Millwood’s option.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Sep 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta disagree

if we do this to Millwood, I doubt we convince future FA’s to accept any vesting option deals. And even if the players aren’t particularly concerned, I can’t see any agent, worth his salt, not making this an issue in future negotiations.

by swampdonkey on Sep 14, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a winner

We basically remove our flexibility to up the value of a contract without risking more on the barrel head money.

Millwood’s vesting option was basically stay healthy and pitch 30 starts and collect your last year.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...

He hasn’t done that.
If he had pitched 30 starts worth of 6+ innings the prior two years, he’d have vested with as little as a 182 IP average over those two years.

If we flat out benched him and he had gone 5 innings of shutout ball with his normal velocity and such — then there’s an issue.

But, his velocity is down, his control is shot, and he’s very clearly laboring. When we go to sign a FA, if it’s not an injury-plagued FA, then he will likely heavily discount this based on the fact that:

A) He’d only sign if we offer more than the others anyways.
B) Winning solves everything, and if we’re a winner, FAs will want to play here to win.

So long as the Rangers do not over-do it, they aren’t going to suddenly be unable to sign FAs.

by Trickman on Sep 14, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

We are in a pennant race

get to the playoffs and retaining talent should be a lot easier.

by oc on Sep 14, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you cannot sit him for the rest of the year without risking a Scott Boras/MLBPA tag team of retribution

You can with a proper note from the doctor.

And it’s not like the Rangers are some FA destination a la 2001. Sheets aside, they probably won’t be bidders again until the ownership straightens out (ie, winter 2011).

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by hightowersmith on Sep 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can avoid the MLBPA grievance by just declaring the option vested without the 180 innings

Then sit him. It’s a stupid financial decision, but this is about winning. He doesn’t give the team a chance to win.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 14, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 14, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doctor's note

If Millwood does not agree that he is hurt, good luck using the doctor’s note. And your point about free agency seems optimistic. Players will remember that sort of thing.

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by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that

sitting him without vesting the option would basically send a much longer term message to FA than this off season. It would be something that they boot on for a long while. And it wouldn’t just be the High end ones. It would be pretty much everyone short of the NRI level guys who are just trying to stay in the league.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sitting him without vesting the option would basically send a much longer term message to FA than this off season.

I can’t see such a message being louder than the sound of a cash register opening.

That’s what free agency is about.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Sep 14, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

You hit the point on the head and missed seeing it.

If we get the reputation for benching players, deservedly or not, when they are close to incentives that are basically saying stay healthy for a season we show that we aren’t willing to pay players for their play.

That is what will do much more harm in the long run than the 12 million for Millwood next year.

I think the option is you push Millwood and Holland back till next week, weather permitting, and then go with Feldman, Hunter, McCarthy/Nippert on regular rest. And to show that your not playing games with contracts you vest Millwood’s option right now.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we get the reputation for benching players, deservedly or not, when they are close to incentives that are basically saying stay healthy for a season we show that we aren’t willing to pay players for their play.

Focusing on the team’s decision regarding Millwood’s incentive clause, instead of the overall contract he got, is missing the forest for the trees.

When the sunk amount is that huge, the marginal amount is less important.

A medically documented injury – remember, this is in the midst of truly poor play by Millwood – would be all the reason the team needs to sit him until he’s a free agent this winter.

And even if he isn’t injured, I still think the team has a leg to stand on.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Sep 14, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Medically documented injury

puts him on the DL and he can’t really complain about that. But I doubt that is currently the case.

The contract at this point isn’t a relevant issue. The contract is basically over, other than the incentives clause. The incentive clause was basically stay healthy for the last year and you get another year. If millwood stays healthy and the rangers deny that clause then they will look bad to any potential FA. If they did it to X player why wouldn’t they do it to me.

Frankly I think its your problem that you are so focused on your point that you don’t realize there is another. Yes if we spike the deal on money we can likely get any FA we want to come here, but that means writing a bad contract. To get an advantage on a competitive contract that is where you add in things like incentive clauses, which if we deny Millwood one that is basically triggered already, our things on the back end of contracts to up their value will be viewed as worthless.

And honestly, short of a verifiable injury, I really don’t think that we would win an arbitration hearing. Remember almost every arbitration type hearing goes in the players favor, its pretty much just how it works with the baseball system.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Millwood had 3 ways to get it to happen:

540 IP over 2007, 2008, and 2009.
360 IP over 2008 and 2009.
or
180 IP in 2009.

He missed the first two by long shots due to not being healthy.
Right now, he does not seem healthy and the Rangers are obligated to put their best product on the field.

If they suspect that Millwood is playing through an injury, then they should bench him, or observe him through some bullpen’s and “tinker” with him, to see if he’s ok.

I’m curious — what if the Rangers’ brass decided that he had basically lost all value and released him? Or would that be the equivalent to benching him?

by Trickman on Sep 14, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be so happy

if they are able to figure out a way to sit him out the rest of the season. I just as soon he take all his veteran leadership somewhere else next season.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 14, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And the funny thing is he is still a

solid type B FA

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Sep 14, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd bench him and deal with the repercussions

it’d be one thing if he’s been performing well, but he isn’t. The Rangers would be lying if they said that next year isn’t a factor in their decision, but it’s not the only factor.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's lying out his ass

The Rangers can talk all they want about ‘mechanical tweaks’. They’re just covering their butts. And Millwood’s probably

by oc on Sep 14, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with t ball above

you can’t deprive a man of $12M if his wear-down was caused by him being a work horse earlier in the season for us. That results in more players acting like Milton Bradley, which is not what you want as an organization.

That being said, I really hope that we get some kind of great excuse to not pay him

by BuckyB on Sep 14, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How come Padilla isn't filing a grievance against us for cutting him

so that he couldn’t reach his incentives for winning the Cy Young ($500K) this year?

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

because they're still paying him

this year and buying out his option for next year.

by MikeEl on Sep 14, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

but still, the Rangers gave Padilla millions just to go away. Why would anyone complain about that?

by MikeEl on Sep 14, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he can't win the AL Cy Young in the NL now

and he had a nice incentive for that.

Just sayin…almost any time a guy gets cut, he could say it’s about the money. Seems like the MLBPA would be on very shaky ground.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can push back his start or

skip his turn in the rotation. But, they cannot deprieve him of the opportunity to reach his milestone.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Have Josh or TAG mentioned this at all during the broadcasts?

or is it radio silence? Will they even acknowledge it once he goes 4 2/3 IP in his next start?

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever their script says for that night......

…..that’s what they’ll go with.

Or maybe Emily Jones can Tweet about it.

by Hard8 on Sep 14, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sit him

I vote sit him on the pine until we are either in or out of the playoffs. His starts only give us one outcome. Not a good option though.

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by horsedooty on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Abso-friggin'-lutely you sit him.

He is this team’s worst starter right now (yes, even worse than Holland, because at least Holland goes 6 once in a while), and if this were anyone else, they’d have been sat the heck down already. This whole option vesting clause is screwing the Rangers over monumentally, and it’s not fair to the success of the club to have to make a decision to play a guy who is hurting the team’s chances of winning just to not piss off the MLBPA. It’s ridiculous, and he needs to sit until the club figures out why he sucks.

If you can fix it and get him back out there at 100% before the season ends, I’m all for that. But if not, then he sits and stays there, regardless of the repercussions that the team may or may not face from the MLBPA.

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by utlonghorn24 on Sep 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This.

Ric Renner is a giant douche.

by txhc on Sep 14, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't sit him.

Sad as it is, and as much as you would like to, you can’t. Not only would it create a firestorm with MLBPA, and not only would it alienate a lot of potential free agent pitchers, but — and I hate to pull the veteran card — he’s a veteran. Michael Young, Ian Kinsler, Josh Hamilton and who knows who else would turn on the organization, and fast.

I absolutely understand the argument to bench him, and in a vacuum, of course you do it. But you’re not in a vacuum, and there are a ton of mitigating circumstances to keep you from doing such a thing.

You’ve got to let him pitch, let him trigger his option, hope he has a big first half, and trade him at the deadline or hope he finishes better than ‘09. It sucks, but it’s the most reasonable option given the circumstances.

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by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vacuum or not

we’re not discussing carpet. Also. We don’t need pricey Vets to sign here. Kinsler is signed. MY is signed. Will they remember Millwood in 2012? Benching a guy who’s gone 1-5 down the stretch? When we lose a race by a few games?

Skip his start. Treat him like any other player on the team.

Respectfully,

by 3Bagger on Sep 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he is pitching like he is now...

No.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Sep 14, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's bad enough...

Millwood has already been pushed back to missing his next start.

That leaves 3 possible Millwood starts remaining.

Assuming he makes his next start, if he goes as badly as this one (3.1 innings?) then he would likely miss the following start. If he didn’t pitch badly, then we probably win the game and let his option vest.

That leaves one last start to either give to Millwood, or avoid. If we’re in the thick of a pennant race, it seems very possible that we could skip Millwood for those last two starts to give them to Hunter or Feldman.

This wouldn’t be “shutting him down”, but it would be pretty close while still giving him a serious chance to vest his option.

by Trickman on Sep 14, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sit him and tell him they're vesting his option anyway.

Sucks to have to pay the 12mill, but gives the team a chance to win.

by MikeEl on Sep 14, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See, there's an option.

Do you try to renegotiate his contract quickly?

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by ghtd36 on Sep 14, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think you can afford to just

throw 12 million at him. he is not worth it. and if he is injured every pitch can make it worse, and then he will be worth nothing next year, yet he would still cost us 12 M

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by NothinG on Sep 14, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you have almost no choice but to throw it at him

the downside to not letting it vest, short of a catastrophic injury, is too high.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's time to move past this era of mediocrity

of which Kevin Millwood is the epitome. the option year and his poor performance have provided the perfect opportunity to do so. the players association and hypothetical free agents be damned, you’ve got to do what’s right for the players that are here now and that we’re building around.

the litmus test to me is: can you imagine Millwood winning a playoff game if by some miracle the Rangers made it? I certainly can’t. he would find a way to lose. it’s a bit of a stretch, but I can see Feldman, Hunter, and if he has one of those incredible days, Holland, winning in a high pressure situation.

they’ve already gotten rid of one half of the soul-crushing free agent pitching tandem, time to finish the job.

by tangiers on Sep 14, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What would Millwood get on the open market?

$8M or so per year? It’s not like the Rangers would be depriving this guy of $12M.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shit, the Rangers should just buy out his option for $4M

and, in effect, pay the difference between his option year here and what he will get elsewhere.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Millwood won't get 8MM on the market

The guy would probably be lesser demanded than Jon Garland and earn somewhere around 4-5MM.

He’s old, isn’t even a workhorse anymore (<180 IP last 3 years), and has been very lucky.

Clubs will recognize this. He’ll be lucky if he gets a 2 year contract worth 10MM.

by Trickman on Sep 14, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

I was thinking he’d get Randy Wolf money.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops

seems I’m backward as Wolf got $5M.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we can't afford to have millwood in this rotation

Holland is a question mark as well. I would almost switch Holland and Feliz, and put Holland back in the pen. Let Feliz start for a couple of weeks.

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by NothinG on Sep 14, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it wouldn't hurt for Millwood to miss the start Friday

Push Hunter up a day, let Feldman come back Saturday, then go with Milly or Holland (or even BMac) Sunday depending on what happens between now & then…..we nearly HAVE to sweep Oakland (2 outta 3 anyway) or it’s probably a moot point.

But Millwood will/should still get his 5 innings and vest his option……there will be hell to pay with the Union, FAgency this winter, not to mention team wide morale.

If he’s the team guy he’s made out to be, he’ll realize that Feldman, Hunter, etc. give us a better chance vs. the Angels right now & gives him a few extra days rest & time to figure some things out.

by tklawless on Sep 14, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IF you do it

you push Millwood and Holland back to the next series and have Hunter, Feldman, and BMac/Nippert go on regular rest.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this...

I think he definitely needs to sit, I’d say for at least two, possibly three starts. I don’t want to just skip him once. If he’s gassed, I want him as rested as possible for his last start of the regular season.

At the same time, I don’t think sitting him and then finger wagging about his option if he doesn’t make it sends the right message to the other current players and to possible future acquisitions. Let’s pay him his option and then sit him for two or three starts or, if he’s injured but still pitching to get the option, the pressure’s off and he can come clean.

by Mister Naxal on Sep 14, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

that is probably about the best option. Not sure its going to happen though, in fact I’d almost bet it doesn’t.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I assume the Detroit Tigers won't be able to sign anymore FAs

by benching Magglio Ordonez long enough this summer to keep him from getting to 135 starts or 540 plate appearances (just barely, too!) so that his $18M option for next year doesn’t vest?

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and neither will the Giants for benching Freddy Sanchez, a guy they liked enough to trade for

so that his $8M option next year doesn’t vest.

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by willamos2 on Sep 14, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez...

was injured right after he went to the Giants.

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by slc ranger on Sep 14, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two completely different issues

Sanchez spent 15 days on the DL which he had to agree to I believe. Means he wasn’t going to get near the PA requirements anyway. If the put Sanchez on the bench to save money without injury I do suspect that he would have a case, unless replaced by a superior option.

Magglio Ordonez and Millwood would basically be the same thing right now. If the Tigers benched Ordonez for the remained of the season, considering he needs around 20 PA to hit the total to lock in the contract, then yes I do believe it would really hurt their chances with future FA. Basically equate Millwood and Ordonez I do firmly believe if either team sat them down so they wouldn’t vest they would hurt themselves long term with contractaul issues and likely lose in arbitration anyway.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Sep 14, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was about to post

what are you talking about, they’re playing him.

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by t ball on Sep 14, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Millwood did us a great service at the beginning of the year.

He had a terrific ERA and was certainly our ace when we had a very young pitching staff.

Would we be this upset if it were reversed, and Millwood was pitching like this in the first half of the year and was lights out after the ASB?

The guy petered out, some blame on Ryan for the new approach, some may be on Milly for not sticking with a good workout plan and staying in tip top shape (you have to notice he is looking a little bit bigger and less in shape than at the start of the year).

But I don’t think he should be penalized for a contract that BOTH sides agreed on. Skipping a start and making sure his arm is ok is probably going to be what happens. This would be exactly what would have happened at the start of the year if he was pitching this bad (if that. Wash may have just kept putting him out there, who knows?).

Give me team chemistry and emotion over stats any day. Do you think 34,000 Ranger fans were screaming their asses off over Pudge and his .275 OBP?

by AceJC on Sep 14, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When saying that Millwood looks a little bigger

how can you tell? If every pitcher that wears a baggy uniform is out of shape, then we got shutout last night by an out of shape pitcher and another out of shape pitcher in NY could win the CY award this year.

by swampdonkey on Sep 14, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More doughy.

Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?

by Chase Irwin on Sep 14, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nolan's philosophy didn't hurt Millwood

Millwood had to start 30 games and pitch 6 innings per game to get to 180 IP.

Millwood wasn’t throwing pitches above and beyond what he had done in the past.

Largely, Millwood was lucky early in the year, helped himself out by not walking too many people, and benefitted from a very stout defense behind him.

Over the last two months, the guy hasn’t been able to find the strike zone consistently, has gotten absolutely pounded, and has cost the team a chance in a couple of games.

Millwood has had 3 chances to vest his contract, and missed heavily on two of them (540 over 3, 360 over 2). Making 180 IP isn’t just being healthy, it’s being effective. A starter has to be somewhat effective to average 6 IP over 30 starts.

He has not provided 180 IP of effective starting, and it does not look like the next 5 IP would be an improvement on 5 IP from any of our 5 other potential starters (current 4 + Nippert).

by Trickman on Sep 14, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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