Thursday a.m. Rangers things
Well, the Rangers at least did play meaningful games into September this year. "Did" being the operative word, of course.
Losing 5 of 6, at home, to Seattle and Oakland has put an end to the season, though, in terms of being in a pennant race.
This team is finished, and it is time to look to 2010.
What is particularly unfortunate about this is that the Angels have been cooperating. If Texas had just split against Oakland and Seattle, they'd be 4 games back of Anaheim right now, and in a position where the final 7 games agaisnt the Angels would mean something.
Now, though, this team is just playing out the string. It has been a surprisingly good season, one that was unexpected and seen the team exceed expectations. But that just makes the recent homestand, the recent stretch where the team has simply rolled over and played dead against inferior competition, that much more disappointing.
And when I see things like what has gone on over the past several games, it makes me question whether the "veteran leadership" that has gotten so much praise throughout this season is really all it is cracked up to be. If this team's veteran leadership is as great as it is made out to be, I'd hate to see how this team would have reacted this past week if it didn't have such wonderful veteran leadership.
Jeff Wilson's game story says the Ranger players have no answers as to what is going on, other than Marlon Byrd saying the Rangers need a miracle to get back in it.
Rudy Jaramillo had a meeting with the hitters before yesterday's game, and the offense responded by going out and putting up all of one hit against Trevor Cahill.
Josh Hamilton has tightness in his right glut that has him shut down from baseball activities for a few more days. Given that the rest of the season is meaningless at this point, I'd just shut him down for the season and look to get him ready for 2010.
The bad weather has disrupted the team's routine.
Jim Reeves has a column about the team, although I'm not quite clear what it is about, other than the Rangers need more fight.
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What is there to look forward to
for the rest of the year? All the young players worth getting excited about are already in the line up. Maybe Ron will let Borbon play CF.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Martin Perez
badassing AA and AAA?
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im looking forward to the 2010 rough riders rotation
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Sep 17, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
All the young players worth getting excited about are already in the line up
Some dude named Smoak might get here in May.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 17, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am talking about the rest of this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
I misread it
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 17, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all the fan's fault for not showing up
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Sep 17, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously.
At least, according to Kinsler
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the fans would just show up
then he wouldnt have so many pop up outs
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
need more fans to show up and cheer his homers and steals
but pretend not to notice the popouts from swinging his ass off.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That picture looks strangely similar to yesterday morning's.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So true
It’s sad to go down with a whimper before the home crowd, but the Rangers had a good run and gave us some good times. Pitching was better than expected, maybe better than could be sustained through September. The hitting was bizarrely erratic — it seems like at times we hit like the 1926 Yankees and other times we morphed into 2009 Astros.
After watching almost every game, I am at a loss as to what went wrong … but I bet Omar Vizquel could tell us.
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by Caradoc on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am an admitted eternal optomist
I haven’t quite put the fork in them yet. I have taken it out of the wrapped up napkin, but that is all. If we sweep this weekend, however unlikely, we will be closer. I don’t know why, but I still think they can pull off a few w’s in a row and inch back. I am saving the fork until after Friday, then Saturday, and then Sunday.
by brandallini on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Magic Number update
Rangers have 17 to play
Division
Angels (17 to play) – 12
Wild Card
Red Sox (18 to play) – 12
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Veteran leadership
It is kind of hard to blame that, given the injuries to Young, who is I guess the leader of the clubhouse, and the marginalization of Jones and Blalock. For “on the field” leaders, who is there? Pudge, who just showed up a few weeks ago, and Vizquel, who is probably happier sitting on the bench than playing 3b everyday?
I think that it is just an effect of having your two offensive centerpieces injured and your so-called ace pitching like dog meat (and probably openly freaking out about his option, which can’t make anyone happy).
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
we may have the wrong type of veteran leadership. When the team was slumping in June, and MY and kinsler said that lack of patience wasn’t a problem, it may have pointed to the problem.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marlon Byrd, supposedly...
…is (along with MY) the big veteran presence.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT. From Twitter
Buster Olney just reported Aaron Crow has agreed to a contract with the #Royals. A MLB deal worth 3-4 million.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 17, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what effect that has on Scheppers?
Are they comparable talent wise? A ML deal might be smart for the cash strapped Rangers. They could spread the bonus out over multiple years. Get it done JD.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you guys think the weather hadto do with it?
We’ve gone 1-5 on this homestand when the poor weather started.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the poor weather did affect some things.
But using it as a reason they sucked is very thin, at best. Bad weather also affects the opponent, last time I checked.
by FuturePants on Sep 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't completely blame the lack of performance on that
But like the Anthony Andro article says, these guys haven’t been able to go through their usual routine for the past week which includes a postponed games and many rain delays. Also consider the Young and Hamilton injury. 1 run over 4 games still shouldn’t ever happen, but it does certainly make things a lot harder.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the
weather is a bullshit excuse. I like Josh Lewin but when he talked about blaming the weather for this, I vomited.
Seattle and Oakland had to deal with the same weather, they have nothing to play for yet they kicked our asses.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gagree
The fans not showing up is a bullshit excuse too.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 17, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The M's and A's...
had to put up with the weather situation too.
And they weren’t doing it at home.
That’s a pretty weak excuse imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 17, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither teams were doing this for a week straight
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're really goint to try and blame this homestand on the weather?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not completely
But I don’t think its merely a coincidence that the team has played like crap with the weather being this horrible.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do...
this offense has looked like crap a lot this year.
Look at all the shitty pitchers the Rangers offense has sucked against.
If you can’t get up for a game in September when you are trying to make a push for a playoff spot then you shouldn’t be playing. Bad weather shouldn’t cause a good team to look like what we have seen the last week. It just shouldn’t. The approach at the plate by this team is the culprit here, not the weather.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 17, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying we would have blown out the competition
We probably still would have lost these games. If the weather conditions were better, we might be talking about a 2-4 loss or 3-4 loss instead of the team failing to score a run for the 3rd time in 4 games.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they also hadn't played 3 games in 19 hours
prior to the homestand.
by swampdonkey on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: "questioning the veteran leadership"
Shouldn’t Wash’s leadership also come into question? I mean the popular refrain from his supporters is always, “the team plays hard for him”. Haven’t seen that when the games meant the most.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 17, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"the team plays hard for him".
What does that really mean?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question becomes
do you judge Wash’s leadership over 140+ games or do you judge it over 5 games? Maybe I’m wearing rose colored glasses, but the answer seems obvious to me.
by swampdonkey on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that case
do you judge it over 140 games, or his entire Ranger career? I don’t understand how his leadership that causes the team to play hard waxes and wanes so much.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 17, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you choose to look at his entire body of work
as a baseball fan, you first have to acknowledge that pitching and defense is critical to any team’s success. Wash inherited a team that had neither and due to contracts, etc, it isn’t something immediately changeable. When looking at 2009, the Rangers are clearly a team that has overachieved, often with half a lineup staffed inexperienced players and pitchers. Unless you simply choose to be a Wash hater, I think you have to give him credit for a team that has transitioned from being a perennial loser to being on the doorstep of something special. To come out of the woodwork after 5 losses seems small minded to me. YMMV.
by swampdonkey on Sep 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash has been inconsistent the entire year
just like his entire career.
The one thing everybody raves about him: “they play their asses off for him.”
Yeah, what a beautiful display that has been AT THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME OF THE YEAR.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by Chase Irwin on Sep 17, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing well
is not equivalent to playing hard, though.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this doom and gloom and yet we still control our own destiny
I don’t have much hope for making the playoffs but until both Boston and LAA magic numbers are zero I have a little bit
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 17, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We do not control our destiny
for the wildcard.
We control our destiny for the division up to the point we lose one more game. After that point, we will need the Angels to lose games in addition to us winning out.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well technically no one controls their own destiny...
…I mean, after all, it’s destiny.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Sep 17, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I realize we dont control our destiny for the WC
But the division we do and so until the Angels magic number is zero I will hold onto a sliver of hope
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 17, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather? WTF are they playing badminton? They sucked because they sucked
look at the Jankees by comparo:
from Deadspin: “there are seven Yankees with .850+ OPSes and at least 20 HR. And Jeter’s not even one of them!”
the offense shit the bed, and the normally competent pitching finally wore out. The Cleveland breakout was the last hurrah for the offense. They shot their load and now all they want to do is snuggle.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Sep 17, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a really weird point you tried to make
Why are you quoting a Deadspin article discussing Jeter’s MVP qualifications while talking about the Rangers offense?
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Sep 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Division leaders like the yankees are producing runs AND pitching well
not one or the other
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Sep 17, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAA's pitching sucks this year
Detroit’s offense is in the bottom hals of the AL. Thier pitching isn’t much better. I expect both to lose in the first round of the playoffs.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about the offseason
Does this stretch of games seal Rudy’s fate with the club?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy's fate was sealed when Hicks ran out of money.
by LiamP on Sep 17, 2009 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Hard to justify paying one million plus to a batting instructor when your owner is scrounging the clearance meat bin at Sack-N-Save for lunches.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 17, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sack-N-Save
i went to one of those in college once. Let’s just say it was an experience.
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up in Garland, man
I still remember the Sack-N-Save opening being an event.
Didn’t compare to when Food Lion opened- The Lion blew Sack-N-Save away. But the Food Lion is a GISD Admin building now, and Sack-N-Save is still going strong two blocks down.
Garland is so bass-ackwards.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A Food Lion in Arlington
is now an alternative High School
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 17, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Food Lion
in The Colony (where I grew up) is now City Hall.
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by lisa w on Sep 17, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Food Lion got killed by a DateLine expose, IIRC...
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by bking on Sep 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Dont remember that. The old Food Lion in Highland Village is actually an upgrade now. It is a HUGE GOODY GOODY Liquor store :-)
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a fine company
No joke. I respect the hell out of Goody-Goody.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 17, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, they were bleaching the meat when it got old and turned
a gross grey/dark brown/bluish that spoiled meat does. And then, of course, repackaging and putting back in the display case.
Neat trick, huh?
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 17, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Food Lion in Denton is now the the Denton County Government Center
motor vehicle, property taxes, etc..
by tyd3311 on Sep 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So in summation
Food Lions have been turned into a HS, county govt center, city hall, and liquor store. Which is the most useful? Obviously, the liquor store :-)
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which one?
I remember them building the one at Green Oaks and Kelly Perkins, but that was almost 25yrs ago…
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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by WhipSmart on Sep 17, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green Oaks
and Arkansas IIRC. It was a while back, but it wasn’t 25 years ago.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 17, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We used to call Garland - "Garlack"
Everything seems to be in black & white there.
It’s the land that time forgot and gives you a glimpse of how cities appeared and what things were like in this country during the 1950s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 17, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call it 'Where the Streets Have No Point'
Garlack is good too.
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by Keynes on Sep 17, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahem,
its G-Town bitches….
I believe the Sack and Save was originally a Safeway, no?
by red shoe ranger on Sep 17, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a damn good season all things considered
It’s really sad that this season – yet again without a post-season trip – has been considered successful, but I can’t remember the last time I was so excited about the Rangers. Then again, I can’t remember the last time I bitched about how anemic our offense was, either.
We should have a better team next year, provided Hicks doesn’t f it up…
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I missed the first couple of innings and...
…when I was able to watch the rest of the game it was at a restaurant with the sound turned down. How did our TV boys sell this offensive shutdown?
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by Chad Crudup on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The same way they did every single day in June.
By talking about how Cahill really had it going on.
by FuturePants on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can always believe
any story being sold about how Cahill really had it going on.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not ready to summarize 2009 Yet
Irrespective of standings, earning postseason play, or differences both directions in preseason or midseason expectations. I think there are several reasons why I’m in a pause mood about the Rangers right now.
1. All the pitching uncertainty. Whatever I thought about the starters early on has mostly been wrong, at least in part. And what I thought about the youngsters called up has been both better and worse than expected. The pen has been both uncharacteristically good in intervals, and like most bullpens, has had some dramatic failures. So going from 2009 to 2010 is going to keep me focused on what mode the team will be in. Will it be do everything to win now, or will it need to be sustain the development and take your lumps as they come?
2. I need to stop slotting position players into stereotypes of themselves. A 30/30 Kinsler could turn out to be a lesser asset to the team than a .390 ONP Kinsler (that’s just an example, tainted by current view). Hamilton has become an enigma to me. I don’t know if he’s extra vulnerable to disabling hurts, or cannot maintain his psychological war against “Josh Past” and endure the long baseball season, or what. I’m curious to see if Byrd is under the lens of disposal value (picks) or retention value. I wonder if Young can stay as good as he is and continue to make every effort to exceed expectations, especially at his defensive position (and I really don’t worry about the bat but he’s going into ten years of efforts to excel and his body may not be as reliable as that of a younger MY). And there are an assortment of players about which one has to ask, “Is he an is what he is, or an issn’t what is is yet?” That would include both catchers, Davis, Murphy, and Boggs.
3. Finding it very very hard to know what to expect from prospects moved to the big club. Borbon, Andrus both exceed some expectations and my instinct says they have to be out there every day (with a few rest days in the 162), but I’m not sure our field manager won’t still go with individual trust or perception of experience in any case other than Elvis, who has proved himself to whomever is looking.
4. Finally, field management. I’m not angry that Wash doesn’t choose position starters on the same basis I would, and I’m only mildly irritated about his apparent failure to take things like splits into account. But dammit, he’s the manager. Underperformance in the batters’ boxc has reared its’ head way too much, and it is his job to call his coaches to task if their duties are not paying back Ranger performance. Yeah I know it’s finally up to the players. But unseen to the fans, Wash should have (and may actually have!) endorsed the work Pettis has done, and privately crucified Rudy on a weekly basis. I like Wash. I don’t care about any 9th Ward vocabulary. I do care that he may not be teough enough in organizational terms (at times with specific players and all the time with his direct subordinates). I guess within a year we’ll see.
So one more thing. I hope I didn’t preordain anything to the baseball gods with a season prediction of 87-75 which could be their 2009 record. These guys as a mix are better than that. Really.
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by Ed Coffin on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post Ed.
This season needs to be viewed as successful just due to the amount of playing time that the youngsters recieved. An added bonus is them being in a pennent chase until mid-Sept. There is much to look forward to this winter and next year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a new hitting coach
that stresses patience. I want guys that can work the count, draw walks and sport high OBP.
Teams that rely on the HR ball go through some serious cold streaks. Guys that can get on base any means possible while occasionally having HR’s play at a more consistent rate.
I just hate how Kinsler now uppercuts everything instead of being a gap hitter that causes havoc on the bases. If Kinsler hit like past years with Borbon leading off and having the ability to steal at will. A top 3 of Borbon, Kinsler, and MY would be DEADLY.
I would LOVE to see a lineup of
Borbon-L
Kinsler-R
MY-R
Bradley-S
Hamilton-L
Cruz-R
Davis-L
Salty-S
Elvis-R
by Coolbean04 on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best moment of 2009
watching a kid catch 2 foul balls from Hamilton four pitches apart. That still blows my mind.
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by willamos2 on Sep 17, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good choice :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
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by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the team is playing hard, they're just not playing well.
Too hard, they look like they are pressing at times, and that to me is what causes mistakes like swinging on a 3-0 count, base running errors, etc. They’re trying too hard to make things happen. I don’t think the team is rolling over and playing dead, they’re just not playing well. I don’t think that equals not playing hard. It’s not like the entire team has stopped trying, or just jogs to first base.
The batters are pressing, the defense is regressing a tiny bit, perhaps as well as pressing, some key pitchers are slumping…
None of this has much to do with manager, coaches, GM, etc. It’s a young team and a team with little experience playing meaningful games at this time of year.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me say, though
that I think hard looks at coaches and manager are warranted even when the team plays well. Perhaps Rudy’s time has come and gone. His reputation with team and league are stellar, but perhaps it’s time for a new voice.
I think that even with young talent around that might suffice (if everything went right), and budget troubles galore, the front office should be looking to add a high OBP bat this winter if at all possible.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
They are pressing far too much, to me it is a fairly obvious conclusion.
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by Rodney on Sep 17, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When our Final Stretch became a SLUMP...
10 years from now, people will probably forget how close we actually were to winning this division in 2009. The Angels were beatable. And we actually BEAT THEM! 9-3 so far? I could blame a lot of things. But I blame these things most of all:
1. Owner Hicks – He was a distraction all year long. Our franchise actually played out the plot point from baseball movie. We became the Indians. Meanwhile, the very low payroll should have offered excellent flexibility. Not this year, thanks to “Double Down on Soccer” Hicks. Hicks failed the organization in a way that ownership rarely does. He’s the opposite of the Angels ownership.
2. Ryan’s Pitch Count Plan – I guess it helped some, but it seemed to hurt Millwood most of all and we really needed him to set the pace and lead the way. He was obviously out-of-gas. Will anyone remember this in a few years? Probably not.
3. The Fans – Yes, they were somewhat absent. Wanna know why? This is the worst RECESSION in three generations. Why blow your cash on something that’s theoretically free on television? Otherwise, I was surprised how vocal and electric many games in 2009 seemed to be.
My 2 cents anyway.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a post going up at 11 a.m. that identifies why the Rangers aren't going to the playoffs
And none of these three items are involved.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
I’m more creative and insightful?
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Rather fatheaded remark from AJM, wasn’t it?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 17, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
If Hicks isn’t an issue, you’re inaccurate.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall Hicks
once stepping into the batters’ box or donning a glove.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his financial situation
did preclude the Raners from acquiring someone at the deadline.
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by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but still
I doubt a lot of money would have solved the team’s problems this year. What player could they have acquired at the deadline that would make up 6 OR 7 WINS in less than half a season? Sorry, there aren’t many 15 win players available at the deadline for any amount of money/prospects.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it did effect the team
I cant imagine it didnt weigh on the team just a bit. Enough for them to make the playoffs if the problems werent there? Probably not. However, the news that they couldnt offer Purker what they wanted, couldnt add salary, etc im sure didnt help the situation..
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by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
That’s like saying, I don’t remember the AIG CEO selling one derivative contract?
We had ZERO financial assets to help the cause. The man who spent on A-Rod was absent because he made bad bets. The Team suffered.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pointing zero fingers
at the players pretty much kills any credibility.
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by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, the players, but what else?
Plus. Most people have, and will handle that area. If I mention our First Base slump, etc, I figure most people have that part covered.
Frankly, I’m amazed that ownership is so unimportant. How many of you people work for Hicks?
The Yankees will win it all this year (possibly) because they just bought a champion. You think that’s a GM or Coach story over there? No cash, no pennant.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's too early to attempt to digest 2009 just yet
but the enduring problem all season with This Thing has been the OBP.
You don’t go to the playoffs in the AL any more with an OBP at or below .320.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the absolute value of a teams obp doesn't matter
since the lg avg changes every year. But you are correct in that OBP does matter.
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by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
League average doesn't change much
Average OBP in AL
2004 338
2005 330
2006 339
2007 338
2008 336
2009 335
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by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranger Mad
Can you find a AL team in the last 10 years that has made the playoffs with a .320 obp or below?
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by Josey Wales on Sep 17, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not easy
even in the NL.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CHW came close in 2005
with a .322 OBP. But it is not that bad considering they were only .08 below lg avg. The Rangers are .15 below avg this year. The .320 you provided didn’t really provide much perspective.
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by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Didn't provide much perspective..."
yet you couldn’t find another team that made the playoffs with an OBP below .322.
My recollection is that White Sox team was an extreme exception and that most playoff teams have an obp closer to .340 or above but that number is fairly loose.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 17, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its pretty clear
that a poor offensive team isn’t going to have a great chance at making the playoffs. You can choose whatever value of OBP you’d like, but it statistically doesn’t mean anything if you aren’t going to compare it to league average/ Also, ignoring SLG completely like you’ve done also takes away from what you’re trying to say. Considering the source though, there isn’t much else to say.
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by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a quick note
Only 7 times in the last 8 years ( I am including 2009) has a playoff team ranked higher in the AL in SLG than in OBP. That is 7 out of 32 teams.
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Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here would be my list
1) Team wide offensive slump in June. The lights pretty much shut off with every player, and players, team leadership, hitting coaches and manager had no idea how to pull them out.
2) Collapse of Millwood and Holland. Down the stretch, losing 40% of your rotation is just brutal.
3) Injuries to Hamilton which made him ineffective most of the year, and Kinsler’s mediocrity outside of the first month removed 2 of the biggest guns the offense was supposed to have. After the first month Kinsler looked like a MVP candidate, by the ASB he was only a marginal All Star selection, by the end of the year he was just another guy.
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by DJCahill on Sep 17, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I would not disagree with your point at all. I would see some of them this way.
1. Slump in June, despite that? We’re 2 games out a few weeks ago.
2. Millwood and Holland, agree big time, which is why I blame Hicks for not allowing JD to grab some serviceable vets to fill the hole until Millwood gets his rest. And Holland as well. The Dodgers did this. The Red Sox re-tooled this year.
3. Our injuries sucked. But, before injuries, Hamilton was sorta sucking anyway.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll have to show me
evidence of Ryan’s pitch count “plan” in actual games this year. I really don’t see a difference other than the defense allowing starters to go an extra .1 or .2 innings because there were more plays made this year.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Millwood had a few too high pitch counts.
I think that was more a result of Wash trusting his “ace” and Millwood having a good game and being good enough to stay in that extra inning. Millwood might have also told Wash he wanted to stay in the game and felt great.
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by Gdawg on Sep 17, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch Counts
I agree with your point, after all, what was the “Plan” other than a media thing. But, it did seem like Millwood hit the 115 range a lot early in the year. I do remember watching that with a cautious eye.
But, I don’t have the data points to back it up. I may be wrong.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point from both you and Gdawg, but
Millwood was efficient early in the year, and I think it was his pitches per inning rising later in the year that may have been just as big a problem. The early high pitch count starts may have set him up for a bigger fall when he regressed, fatigue adding to less efficient pitching for a whirlwind of suck.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Padilla-Millwood
Agree. My point is, Millwood is older. We should expect some fatigue from him. We dashed Padilla to the DL a lot to rest and save his arm. Now he looks terrific!
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitch counts
Last year Kevin Millwood threw over 100 pitches 13 times out of his 29 starts (45% of the time)
This year Kevin Millwood has thrown over 100 pitches 23 times out of 28 starts (82%)
Last year Vicente Padilla threw over 100 pitches 17 out of 29 starts (59%)
This year Padilla has thrown over 100 pitches 11 out of 18 starts with Texas (61%)
Last year Scott Feldman threw over 100 pitches 7 out of his 25 starts (28%)
This year Feldman has thrown over 100 pitches in 17 out of 27 starts (63%)
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by bigsteve on Sep 17, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood is the only pitcher
that seems significant in your post, though. Feldman, now in his 2nd year as a starter should have been expected to have more 100 pitch starts, and he was pitching very well, too which means he stays in longer. Millwood might be the one pitcher you could point to and say the team’s attitude made him stay in too long.
I feel, though, that Millwood would have had his ups and downs whether or not his pitch count had been kept a bit lower. He’s just not that great a pitcher, and we can’t say for sure that it isn’t just coincidence/regression/luck that has him sucking right now instead of April. Everyone says he’s gassed or lazy, etc. I don’t see it. He hasn’t gained weight or looked any different to me, he’s simply not pitching as well.
Remember all those stories about Millwood’s likely and impending regression in May and June? They were right.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like he HAS gained weight
I think he showed up at ST in the best shape of his Rangers career, having worked out like a fiend all winter. After the season started, I think he just fell back into his normal in-season routine that was not as rigorous as this year’s off-season routine.
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by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attendance is up this year
despite the economy
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by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not relatively
We had a winning team all year long. We should have above average numbers.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
above league avg?
If my ciphering is correct the Rangers attendance is up 7.6% while MLB is down 6.8%. I think the Ranger FO is happy with the turnout this year.
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Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd best year in Rangers history
Probably so. But, you can’t have your 3rd best year in franchise history and be thrilled with these comps over last season or over the last several seasons.
Anyway. I was trying to address the critique that the fans did not show up and support the team.
by 3Bagger on Sep 17, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our hopes of any postseason is over
It’s been a nice run..
we’ve had a great year. I feel good about the future.
however, this is depressing. I seriously thought we could get to the postseason this year
2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015?
by hurlerhurley on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Surely one of your most cogent posts.
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by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, t...
just not feeling to good right now. i’ve also been up all night which doesn’t help.
2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015?
by hurlerhurley on Sep 17, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was complimenting your post...
not insulting it.
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by slc ranger on Sep 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't one argue that Ryan's "high pitch count" strategy
actually hurt the Rangers this year AND next by allowing Millwood to burn himself out AND reach his 180 IP?
If only Wash had pulled him a bit earlier…
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by willamos2 on Sep 17, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Millwood's only injury this year was to his butt
and not to his arm or shoulder. I don’t think an “extra” 10 pitches is at fault when the total pitchcount is still in the 110-115 range.
by swampdonkey on Sep 17, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
an extra 10 pitches in one game isn't a big deal
But if the guy throws an extra 10 pitches in ten starts thats an extra 100 pitches he threw which is about equal to a complete extra start
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by bigsteve on Sep 17, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at it the season has been an unreal success so far...
- We broke in a 20 y/o SS who more than held his own
- We may have finally found a true veteran anchor for our rotation (not saying he is an ace) in Feldman
- Introduced Holland to the big lgs. Yes he has been up and down but still.
- Feliz has given Rangers fan more hope in a pitcher since i can remember
- Borbon showed he is ready for the majors.
And we had success in spite of…
- Kinsler’s best impression of an all or nothing hitter.
- Hamilton showing he may be the most fragile person ever
- Getting terrible production from our first basemen
- Having one of the worst collective hitting approaches Ive ever seen. I know the Rangers usually dont have much of an approach but at least in past years they have crushed the pitchers they did swing at.
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
- Hamilton showing he may be the most fragile person ever
Brandon McCarthy says “hi!”
Good points though. I keep having to remind myself this is way, way ahead of where I thought they’d be this year.
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by lisa w on Sep 17, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
good pt on McCarthy ha. I guess it is about perspective. I expected McCarthy to get hurt, but didnt expect Hamilton to be this fragile
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by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Hunter asks...
What about me?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha,
hey didnt say i covered everything. Just another reason why this has been a great season. If you were to tell me before the season that the rangers would have 80 wins on Sept 17th, id take it everytime
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by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we may need to implement
the Bradley rules with respect to Hammy.
by SteveP on Sep 17, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank God 2010 looks bright
Millwood
Feldman
Hunter
Holland
Feliz
by SteveP on Sep 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Sheets
Trade Millwood for Bradley.
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