The Failure of the Ranger Offense
Oh, the irony.
All these years where we've lamented, if only the Rangers had league-average pitching.
Well, the Rangers had decent pitching this year. They had a great defense. The Rangers are 3rd in the A.L. in runs allowed per game, 4th in the A.L. in ERA+, and have allowed the fewest unearned runs in the A.L.
The 2009 Rangers have been great at run prevention.
If they only had league average hitting, they'd likely be a playoff team this year.
The Rangers are 20th in the majors in EQA this season.
Here is a complete list of the Rangers players who, by BP's stats, are at least half a run above average offensively this season (relative to their position):
Michael Young -- 21.3 runs above average
Nelson Cruz -- 9.5 runs above average
Ian Kinsler -- 7.8 runs above average
Elvis Andrus -- 3.7 runs above average
Julio Borbon -- 2.6 runs above average
Esteban German -- 1.6 runs above average
That's it. And of course, the last two weeks, Michael Young has been out of the lineup, meaning that Kinsler and Cruz (two guys who a lot of fans want run out of town anyway, Kinsler for popping up too much, Cruz because of the irrational belief that he's a horrible defender) are supposed to be carrying the offense, while we've had David Murphy and Marlon Byrd -- a couple of fourth outfielders -- hitting 3rd and 4th.
When you get right down to it, the Ranger offense has been killed by three things:
Josh Hamilton hasn't hit.
The first basemen -- primarily Chris Davis -- haven't hit.
The catchers haven't hit.
Going back to BP's numbers, Hamilton, expected to be the team's best hitter, has posted a .256 EQA, which is below average. He's been at -6.4 runs relative to average for his position this season, splitting time between right field and center field.
Chris Davis has been 25.9 runs below average for his position, 14 runs below replacement.
Hank Blalock has been 23.2 runs below average for his position, 8.7 runs below replacement.
And Salty and Teagarden have combined to be 13.5 runs below average for their position.
And that's the difference between being a playoff team this year and the Rangers sitting at home and watching in October.
If Hamilton and Davis hit in 2009 like they did in 2008, the Rangers are 4 or 5 games up in the A.L. West right now.
If the Rangers simply get average production out of the catchers, Davis and Blalock, they are in first place right now.
Hell, if just Hamilton replicates his 2008 season in 2009, the Rangers are probably no more than a game or two out right now.
But that hasn't happened. Hamilton faltered, the first basemen and the catchers faltered, and only Michael Young stepped up to pick up the slack.
And so the 2009 Rangers aren't a playoff team.
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I dont think many ppl
on this board want to run Kinsler out of town however a lot of ppl have taken issue with his placement in the lineup.
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
Noone wants to run either out of town
People are bagging on Kinsler because he’s an obstinate bastard whose LD% has dropped ~10% this year (along with a ~10% increase in FB %). The most frustrating thing is that he’s shown flashes of the kind of hitter he’s capable of being this season, only to go back to being the crazy uppercutting fool we’ve seen for most of the year.
Cruz is just tiring after playing a full year of baseball with no substantive rest. I’m eager to see how he does next year now that he can hopefully take the winter off.
by LiamP on Sep 17, 2009 11:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think people are also bagging on Kinsler
because he is supposed to be one of the stars of the club. 7.8 Runs above average isn’t bad, but folks were talking about him being in the MVP running earlier in the season. Merely being good is kind of a disappointment for him.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I'd be interested to know what portion of Kinsler's 7.8 runs
above average was achieved in April and early May?
by swampdonkey on Sep 17, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
and what part (if any, I'm ignorant as to how this is calculated?)
is due to a lack of playing when injured?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 17, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
that is a real fair assessment. 1B/DH and C are such disaster areas right now, that I think you can tear up the previous plans of using nothing but homegrown talent for that position next year. I think you start looking at FAs for that position, even if only NRI type players for backup.
I have no faith in Salty and Teagarden as the Catching solution, and I certainly think Smoak/Davis for 1B and DH is out of the question for next year.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
There definitely need to be some discussions
If the team runs into money and can somehow get a Nick Johnson type player on a good deal, they’d be remiss to not consider it. Chris Davis should not be handed the job because of 3 good months in 2008.
Same with the catchers, though I don’t want to see the Rangers overpaying for one, as we have been continuously told teams often do (unless they are part of our surplus). I think bringing in Pudge or similar as a half-time and hoping Salty is healthy is probably the best way to go.
Go Rice Owls!
Davis
If all he’d ever done as a professional was have 3 good months in 2008, the situation would be a little different.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I know
I’m still mildly hopeful. But at some point, an essentially lost 2009 compared to very productive 2007-2008 at all levels means that it is at least worth considering alternatives – especially 1b/DH guys who can slide to the DH abyss if Davis is actually back.
Go Rice Owls!
for clarification...
you are referring to his minor league accomplishments?
maybe we should give the job to botts.
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Sep 17, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I am
What someone does in the minor leagues is relevant in determining their likelihood of future major league success.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
His K rate in the minors
is also relevant.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
is is OBP?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 17, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
his OBP minus his average is pretty significant, as well as his BB rate and K rate.
However, I don’t think .300 hitters in the minors necessarily become 300 hitters in the majors, and since most of Davis’ minor league OBP is because of his average, I wouldn’t think he’d have the same OBP in the majors.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
It looks like his split is similar
around 50 points difference. Which I would bet puts him right in MLB average area for that.
What do voluntary mean?
average
is right at 70.
However, if you watched the Rangers a lot, you would think 70 is high :)
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
this is true
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 18, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I've always been with
the ever unpopular Keith Law on Chris Davis. I think the high K rate and low BB rate will keep him from ever being much more than a decent enough cheap, pre-FA option. I just think his contact rate will likely never be high enough to be much more than an average 1B at best.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
He'll essentially be Mike Jacobs with the bat and Chris Shelton with the glove
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you just write the first name you thought of
for a defensive comparison?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I've been with you in this group, as well.
It was a good way to get your head bitten off in the pre-season.
Although, I believe I was a tad higher on his contact abilities than you. He showed me.
I'm still holding out hope that he can get better
with experience…but it’s been a tough year
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think it was only us 3 holding up the fort on this.
I don’t know about you two, but I DID get my head bitten off about it. But the guy is kind of an arsehole with a crush on Davis, so …..
R
Don't you three pull something
patting yourselves on the back. I thought Law might be right, but his smugness in responding to fan comments is really off-putting.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
To be fair
Botts never had anything close to Davis’s 2008. That counts for something.
But pointing to Davis’s minor league numbers won’t have that much value going forward.
Go Rice Owls!
If someone does nothing in the minors...
…and then has three great months in the majors, there’s a lot more reason to think that is a fluke and not repeatable or sustainable than if a guy dominates in the minors and has three great months in the majors.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m siding with you that Davis deserves more of a shot than Botts. Davis earned a “get one bad year free” card for that amazing 2008. And the good minors + good majors does mean he still has a reasonable chance of recovering (unlike Jeff Francoeur, whose debut I just noticed was significantly better than anything he ever did before)
But if Davis has a bad 2010, it becomes much harder to point to two good seasons in the minors 2 years previous as evidence that he deserves another yet another shot.
Go Rice Owls!
If Davis tanks next year like this year
then theres a very reasonable chance that hes not here moving forward.
What do voluntary mean?
be careful
if you go too far out on that limb it might break
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Sep 17, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Players that tank like Davis did the first three months of this year
usually don’t recover no matter their age.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
The hard part of that research is finding anybody
who was allowed to suck as much for as long as Chris Davis was allowed to do.
I’ve done it and there are a lot of ugly names on that list. A 35 year old Gorman Thomas is a good example.
377 plate appearances (105Ks) with 16 bombs 36 RBI. Hit .187 with a .687 OPS.
It was his last year in The Show.
Most of the people who suck for that long are vets who grow old overnight and lose their bat speed.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
So, you're saying it's hard to find much evidence for a young guy's prospects of recovery?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
This is what I said...
“The hard part of that research is finding anybody who was allowed to suck as much for as long as Chris Davis was allowed to do.”
Most teams pull the plug before it gets as bad as it did with Chris Davis. Players simply don’t get nearly 300 plate appearances with a .256 obp and 114Ks.
A 35 year old Dave Kingman was this kind of player. 273 plate appearances, .198 average / .648 OPS with 13 HR & 29 RBI. Done with the NL that year, played in Oakland for 3 more years.
I’ve done some research on it because I wanna know what his prospects are for recovery but I can’t find any young players allowed to do what Davis did.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Which means to most observers..
That you have no basis for predicting his future. None.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
The future of Davis is a mystery
because he was so good at a young age in 2008 and historically bad in 2009.
I don’t know that there’s anybody who was as bad as Davis was earlier this year who ever recovered and had what can be considered a good career so there is a basis on guessing what he will do going forward, bking.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
You're really going to compare Davis to a 35 year-old Gorman Thomas?
You’ve weaved yourself a nice little argument here. You say that Davis’ tanking is historic and then implicitly take a shot at JD/Wash for giving him so many at bats.
When asked to prove that the tanking is historic, you say it’s not possible because no one lets players suck that long (again, another shot at JD). And then, of course, you say it’s not possible for him to turn his career around.
Congratulations. What a ridiculous post.
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
Aggie,
I’ve looked and can’t find anybody allowed to be as bad as Davis was the first three months of this season.
Go look at baseballreference.com with these comps.
277 plate appearances, 114Ks, .202 average, .256 obp and what was it, 16 HR & 36 RBI
Let me know what you find.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Hank Blalock 2009
PRetty damned close outside of one early season power spike.
What do voluntary mean?
Aw yes, the greatness of baseballreference.com
In the first half of this season Blalock had 280 plate appearances in which he only had 55Ks (less than half of what Davis had).
Davis’ stats in 277 plate appearances in ( )
19 HR & 42 RBI (16 & 36)
.260 AVE (.202)
.307 OBP (.256)
.854 OPS (.671)
Hank Blalock was much better than Chris Davis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
For the season they are the same
Strikeouts are a byproduct of hitting, not something to count in the way you are.
The problem with Blalocks numbers is simple. He had a HR rate that wasn’t sustainable for him. Hank Blalock was never going to keep up a pace that would keep in the league lead for HRs over the course of a season. Hes just not a good enough power hitter for that.
For this season the difference between Blalock and Davis is 20 points of average. Thats it. And neither are good.
What do voluntary mean?
Strikeouts are important.
A fly-out/ground-out with a runner on 3rd is much different from a strikeout with a runner on 3rd. Atleast there’s a chance to score.
While Blalock and Davis were both equally bad OPS/otherwise, Blalock was more likely to put the ball in play.
Now, with a runner on 1st… give me Davis. I’ll bet he didn’t ground into as many double plays as Blalock did since he struck out so much.
Damning with faint praise..
For all real purposes
They have been the same quality of bat.
Oh and as for putting the ball in play. A topped grounder to 2b isn’t likely to score a runner any more than a strikeout.
Honestly the further you go into their numbers the more similar they look other than the difference in K’s which is important but isn’t a major factor in and of itself.
What do voluntary mean?
If you're going to make such broad claims, you better back it up.
That’s how you earn respect.
And remember, any players you do find also need to have a minor league track record and early major league success similar to Davis’s pre-2009 career.
So you can either prove your claim or retract your statement. Your choice.
Go ahead and do the research yourself
and if you can disprove it, I’ll tip my cap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Disprove WHAT???
You’ve all but admitted you can’t find any meaningful comps.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
That's not a good sign for his future, bking.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
sigh............
like engaging in debate with the guy on the street corner.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Clearly you can't prove your claim.
Should I take this post as a retraction of your earlier statements?
So you see...
most of the players who come close (but across the board are generally better) to what Davis has done this year are old and then out of The Show very quickly.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Does it matter?
Any argument for Davis or for Blalock is irrelevant. We needed to put the best team out on the field during a pennant race and neither of the two offered much help.
Right, which means you can't prove your point
I’m going to remind you of your quote one more time in case you forgot.
Players that tank like Davis did the first three months of this year usually don’t recover no matter their age.
You can’t prove your statement. Admit it.
You can go find the needle in the haystack.
We’re going to need more than one case also.
Have fun!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
You're crying on the inside, aren't you.
You’re the one making shit up. Therefore, it’s your responsibility to either prove your claim or admit that you can’t.
You can’t say it can’t you. You’re not man enough to admit when you’re wrong.
How sad for you.
Maybe Davis is really Dominican.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
baseballreference.com
Treasure trove of stats and a good chance for you to go prove yourself.
Doug Flynn, circa 1982 was really bad but he was a different kind of player and didn’t strike out nearly as much as Davis.
Dave Hostetler 1983 was a good comp but he was a better hitter than Davis because he could get on base (.323)at a much better rate.
Done in The Show (save 6 ab’s with Pitt in ’88) the next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Rob Deer, 1993
14 HR & 39 RBI with Detroit
367 plate appearances / 120 Ks
Hit .217 with a .683 OPS.
Out of The Show for 2 years, 64 plate appearances in 1996 with SDO and then done.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Steve Balboni 1990
307 plate appearances / 91Ks
17 HR & 34 RBI
.192 average / .697 OPS
Done (had 5 PA’s with ’93 Rangers).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Remember, Davis last year hit .285 / .331/ .549 in 317 plate appearances as a 22 year old. In the minors, Davis hit .306 / .366 / .585 in 1345 plate appearances.
Oh, and btw, what does Rob Deer’s 1993 season have to do with anything? You realize that Deer made his debut in 1984, right? Are you so stupid as to take a player’s last full season and compare them to a player’s first full season as a 23-year-old?
I've looked
and can’t find any young players allowed to suck as big a dick for as long as Chris Davis was allowed to do this year.
That’s not a very good sign for the future of Chris Davis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
How is it not a good sign?
You have zero evidence of anything. How can you draw any conclusions from a lack of evidence?
How about
a 23 year old who hit .196/.324/.373 with 136 k’s in 443 PA’s for an OPS of .697
But that’s only the rookie year of Mike Schmidt.
Saw that one (but I'm not gonna do somebody else's work)
but Schmidt’s .324 obp dwarfs Davis.
Cory Snyder ’87 is a much better comp because of the .273 obp, he was 24 years old and it was his second year in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
How is this someone else's work?
Just because you can’t and don’t want to do it, it doesn’t mean it’s our responsibility to try and prove what you cannot.
If you make a claim, you better be prepared to prove your claim. Just admit that you can’t.
Did any of the players you found have Davis's minor league track record and major league success in 2008?
You can’t just find random scrubs who failed for three months and say they are comps. But you know that, don’t you.
a 35 year old compared to Davis???
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 17, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Two players - first two years in The Show
Player A – 749 PA 217 K’s 30 HR/80 RBI .237/.308/.426/.734
Player B -677 PA 227 K’s 36 HR/104 RBI .246/.294/.479/.773
Certainly comparable stats but I guess the A’s are glad they didn’t give up on Reggie Jackson (player A) as quickly as you seem ready to give up on CD (player B).
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Sep 17, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
As a 23 year old, Reggie Jax hit 47 HRs in The Show
and had a 1018 OPS.
The year before, when struggling, he still had a .316 obp which also dwarfs what Davis did this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
but you said age doesn't matter
first two seasons
RJ…31 HR……232/.308/.734…..749 ABs
CD…36 HR……246/.294/.773…..677 ABs
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
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"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 17, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I said I've never seen
any young players allowed to suck as big a dick for as long as Chris Davis was allowed to do this year.
You’re looking at two different seasons (in an attempt to give Davis a chance) and obscuring what he did this year.
Find a young player who did what Davis did in one year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
They are few and far between.
That just means that the Rangers made a poor decision to let him get 277 PAs before sending him down and/or they had no better options.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
If you've never seen it, then how can you say this:
Players that tank like Davis did the first three months of this year usually don’t recover no matter their age.
It’s your job to prove that statement. Either present some evidence, or admit that you can’t.
baseballreference.com
Get busy or live with the statement.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Not my job.
I don’t care if you’re wrong. I’m used to it.
It’s more telling that you can’t prove something that you declared to be a fact. You tried, and you failed. Just admit that you made a claim that you couldn’t prove.
And you wonder why nobody respects you or takes you seriously…
try these names
One obvious name from this year is Bill Hall, But also look up Adam Lind, Clint Barmes, Brandon Inge, Bret Boone, BJ Surhoff, Luis Gonzalez,Larry Parrish, Reggie Smith, Joe Carter and Dale Murphy.
It really is not that uncommon for a player to struggle for the first three months of the year despite what I said above. It pretty much happens every year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Very true
Remember Nelson Cruz? He started off his ML career with a .269 OBP through his first 145 PAs and a .282 OBP through his first 477 PAs. And he was 26 at the time!!!!! Remember how you proved that there was never a player in baseball who did something like that and ever had any kind of successful career. You are clearly right on this subject as well.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So Hank being 29 next season means he's going to get worse?
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Hank needs to be a DH.
Somebody smart will get him cheap and he should be okay if he doesn’t have to play in the field.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Yes, because his concentrating on 1B is what made him suck so hard at the plate
Are you even trying at this point, or are you just on autopilot?
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
I honestly had NO idea playing 1B was such a physical/emotional/mental drain on him.
Poor guy.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
So Blalock's Farve now?
“I’ll play but only if I can the minimum amount necessary.” Normally guys DH out of necessity (bad wheel, shitty D) and not preference.
I’ll concede he hit better at DH than 1B but we’re talking small sample sizes without any evidence of causation. I would label this argument as cum hoc ergo propter hoc
And I just won Ben’s contest.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
He didn't hit better.
He got a larger % of balls to go over the fence. I don’t think his homerun rate had much to do with his position. I think it just had to do with some very good luck on his part.
What do voluntary mean?
a DH that can't hit
sounds like the norm around here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 17, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Since you don't care about age in your comp
Go look at Blalock’ s 2002 season.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I do care about age in my comp but I couldn't find anybody
as bad as Davis was this year, particularly thru early July.
Blalock as a 22 & 23 year old was much better than Davis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Too bad at 29
hes the same as Davis at 23.
What do voluntary mean?
You did say
no matter their age
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I'm leery of Nick Johnson
It solely depends on contract. Hes getting old and is already injury prone. That usually a very bad combination.
What do voluntary mean?
If you could get him on a 1 year deal
which may or may not be possible – who knows in this market – then I would really consider it (if the Rangers have any money). Smoak probably won’t be ready until the end of the year at the earliest. And the team desperately needs an OBP guy. Johnson could DH if Davis bounces back or play 1b if Davis has problems.
He makes a lot of sense if the $ and contract is right. I wouldn’t give him 3 years or anything, obviously. But if you could get him for what the Rangers payed Hank this year
Go Rice Owls!
I don't think he takes a 1 year
a 31 year old with a history of injuries would probably take a lower figure per year to get a 2 or 3 year deal with someone.
And I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that Johnson really should be a DH at this point.
What do voluntary mean?
UZR says he's been a bit below average this year
But, on that same token — UZR really needs a very large sample to be appropriate.
His career UZR suggests above average, so I’d guess that he’s probably aged into an average-level fielder at 1st.
The problem is
injuries tend to sap defensive ability. And if theres one thing you can say with certainty is that Nick Johnson will get injured.
What do voluntary mean?
Injury-wise, sure
But as a back-up first baseman, I think you could do much worse on the fielding side.
If he played in the field once a week, I don’t think he’d be painful at 1st — unlike someone like Giambi, who is just brutal.
I just don't see it
I think we would be more likely to get someone like Thome at DH if we go outside the team in this off season. One year contract only. Like I said I don’t think Johnson takes a one year unless its his only offer.
What do voluntary mean?
You don't spend money on a backup 1B..
You sign a stud DH who can back up 1B on occasion.
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BTW, I was agreeing with you...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
No point in discussing it
This team is going to be looking to shed salary this offseason, not add it.
If Millwood’s option vests, I think they are more likely to look to move Kinsler, C.J. and/or Frankie than they will be to add a significant salary.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearing money
Maybe a possibility would be a Cruz + Millwood for Bradley + lots of Cubbie $$$$s?
Obviously that is a stupid move, but if you think clearing $ is going to be priority #1, isn’t Cruz (who this FO seems to want to move) a good chip to get people to take away salary?
Go Rice Owls!
Not really
Cruz will be about $1.5-2 million next year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not thinking they move him to clear his salary
I’m thinking they move him because he’s valuable and someone doesn’t like him. Instead of getting prospects back, the Rangers get someone to take a bad contract as well.
Go Rice Owls!
That would be a horrible horrible trade
Cruz shouldn’t be used to try and get Bradley. If we trade Cruz it had better be part of a move for a TORP starter.
What do voluntary mean?
I know its horrible
I’m going along with AJM’s doomsday scenario here. Where we trade Kinsler, CJ, and Frankie because they can’t afford baseballs.
Go Rice Owls!
If the worst like that comes to happen
then I guess something like that makes some form of sense, but I doubt Hicks would do that just because it also guts the team and should make it harder to sell.
What do voluntary mean?
I think if they want to clear salary...
…those are the three guys they’d have to move.
They can’t trade Millwood or Young, and those are the three guys who will likely make the most money after Millwood and Young in 2010.
So if they are wanting to cut salary, it has to be a couple out of those three.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I'm beating a dead horse...
And I know I’m not really up on hot-stove stuff, but do you think we could move CJ/Frankie + Kins for Matt Cain and a minor-league MI with some upside?
I mean, Arias can’t play 2B next year, right?
No
that wouldn’t get you close to a 25 year old starter who is at worst a solid #2.
And Arias at 2b would be taking a weak offense and making it significantly worse.
What do voluntary mean?
If you offered the Giants Kinsler+ for Cain+
They’d take it in a heartbeat
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If the +
was at least one of Smoak/Holland/Feliz then your right. If its Kinsler and some minor league chaff then no. And I don’t think it would work for CJ or Frankie either.
Cain has more value than Kinsler. Unfortunately, after this year, significantly more.
The problem is Kinsler’s value is down this year. If Kinsler had played like he did last year then Kinsler + CJ or Frankie might get it done.
What do voluntary mean?
Kinsler
He’s signed to a team friendly contract through 2013 (might be wrong on the year). While his bat has disappotined this season, he’s still hit well above league average and been one of the top hitting 2B in baseball. Its also not all about offense. His defense has taken a huge step forward this year which has helped him nearly match last year’s WAR.
Cain still is pitching over his head statistically and the GIants would be dealing from a position of strength in exchange for a position of need. Kinsler’s value hasn’t gone down that much this year and Cain’s value hasn’t gone up that much. The Giants would have loved this deal before this season and they would still make the deal now.
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Okay
I misrememberd Cain’s contract status. Its probably closer then I was thinking. For some reason I thought Cain was under contract for more like 3 years after this, rather than two, assuming his option gets picked up.
But I still just don’t think that you get a 25 year old #2 or better starter for Kinsler and a good BP arm. I think you have to put something else in there outside of an arbitration bp arm.
What do voluntary mean?
Kinsler is one of the top 2B in the league
He’s entering his prime and is under contract through 2012 (just looked it up again) with a team option/buyout that should be pretty affordable at that time. Just like with Byrd, Kinsler is becoming a whipping boy around here people are letting that cloud their judgement on the player’s overall value.
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-The Outlaw
I'm not making Kinsler a whipping boy
I’m just saying that a Young top of the rotation, #1 or #2 is going to take more than a very good 2b and a BP arm to get. I don’t think that is some really far out there position to take.
Cain’s value is higher than that of Kinsler’s. You usually don’t make up that much value by putting in RP that are likely to start having an accelerating salary unless they are dominant. Unfortunately for us right now neither CJ nor Frankie are dominant, just very good.
I think we’re arguing about level of value more than anything now.
What do voluntary mean?
Wasn't this whole thing always about their value?
Using WAR from Fangraphs, Kinsler is the 4th best 2B in baseball. His track record suggests that his offense will improve next year and he’ll be closer to the true elite 2B rather than just being among the best of the rest.
Cain ranks 45th out of all SPs in baseball with a track record that suggests he could be a bit better. Personally, I think Cain isn’t getting better any time soon and his ERA next season will reflect that, but that’s a whole seperate thing.
Given the Giant’s yearly needs of offense and the two players’ contract situations, I think you’re still selling Kinsler short.
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You might be right
I just think with pitching being as valued as it is that Cain would still likely take a bit more than Kinsler + CJ or Frankie to get. The contract status of both evens it out some.
Kinsler is a very good player. I just know that year in and year out young pitching is always prized more than young hitting, unless its transcendent hitting.
What do voluntary mean?
Why Matt Cain?
If you are moving Kinsler, you need to get a bat back, not a pitcher.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
so get Cain and Sandoval
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 17, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
it's more of a pipe dream
and a really far fetched one at that.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would they be looking to cut salary?
I know there are economic problems but gutting a team that was competitive all year isn’t going to increase the value of the team for when it gets sold. You need a nice, shiny product.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
That's not going to happen
If you’re trying to clear salary, moving some of your best players that are making 4 million or less next year isn’t going to help you out any.
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Time for Jaramillo to be gone
No matter his reputation, or how much the players say they like him, it’s time for a new voice.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Sep 17, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs
Rec this.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 17, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree as well
The biggest thing I see with this offense is that it hasn’t “grown” in the past few years at all. Obviously Hamilton and Kinsler entered the picture, but the approach is still the same. I think this year has revealed how other teams can adjust to the Rangers offensive approach successfully. It’s pretty simple, really. Don’t throw strikes. Throw pitches that a swing will only result in a miss or a weakly hit ground ball. Even if they are balls, they won’t be against the Rangers.
This team has a few veterans like Young who are good enough to lay off those long enough to have a productive at bat. But I think much of what we’ve seen this year is other pitchers exploiting this weakness, particularly with the younger free swinging kids, like Davis and Salty. Unlike most of the guys who Rudy has worked miracles, these kids have real talent, they don’t need to be “worked,” but they need to be pointed in a better direction than they are heading now.
Go Rice Owls!
Who do you replace him with?
Coolbaugh?
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Hitting coaches are hard to find?
Nah, not really. Many get fired every season, to be replaced by someone you never heard of.
I don’t know if the club would consider Coolbaugh or not, but he does seem to have helped a player or two who was sent down.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I guess to ask it in another way
Do you stay within the organization or go completely outside of it? Maybe let Wash have a lot of input?
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm begining to really question Wash's judgement
I guess beginning is probably not the right way to put it though. But on the other hand I do think you have to let a manager pick his staff.
What do voluntary mean?
Even questioning
his judgement you have to admit his philosophy seems in contrary to Rudy’s. I wouldnt be opposed to him picking a hitting coach based on that
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you include Wash in the decision making process
He shouldn’t be the sole guy responsible for picking out a new hitting coach, but you should give him some veto power if he doesn’t like the guy. The coaching staff needs to all be on the same page.
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-The Outlaw
Yeah, I think that's pretty well founded
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I'm not sure what Wash's philosophy is
As player Wash walked 143 times in 5,035 minor league plate appearances. That’s 2.8% of the time, or 1 in every 35 PA. His OBP – BA was .023
In the big leagues he walked 65 times in 1,689 PA. That’s 3.8% of the time, or 1 in every 26 PA. HIs OPB – BA was .031
As a comparison, Yuniesky Betacourt (poster boy for free swinging) has walked 81 times in 2,412 major league PA. That’s 3.3% of the time or 1 in every 30 PA. His career OBP – BA is .025
Wash’s hitting philosophy may be different now than when he was a player, but I not so sure.
no, no, no
we need more runs, not less…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 17, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
it is time for a change
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
What I find amazing are the Rockies
Trade away Holliday and everyone figured they were toast (along with losing Fuentes). Yet there they are with 3.5 game lead in WC.
Baseball’s a funny game.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
The Rockies
are becoming a very well run organization. Reminds me of the A’s in years past.
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Being a team like the A"s + a team that can spend a money
could become a very deadly combination, thought I dont see them lasting long having to face Lincecum, Cain, etc. in years to come
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
he already started
by dealing Alderson for Sanchez
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by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Before PECOTA and the Manny trade, the Rockies were my pick to win the west.
And, after the Marlins, the team I would have bet PECOTA was most likely to be significantly wrong on.
Blalock had 54 games at 1B and 49 games at DH where he started -
Is he being compared to other 1B or DHs?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
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Both
It is weighted based on playing time at each position.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Good grief Josey
both Blalock and Cdavis have been just horrible. There is nothing to dissect or discuss.
I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.
by JTodd on Sep 17, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
Both have been terrible. About as bad as can be. So no one should be defending either player. I can see where people are saying Chris Davis is part of the future, but we were in the middle of a pennant race and I think you have to give the team the best shot to win. Neither CD or HB gave us an opportunity to win.
Good post, and it actually gives me hope.
If you’re right and the problem is 1st, catcher and Hamilton, then our prospects for improving at all those spots are good. Hamilton is still very inexperienced as an mlb starter. Hopefully, if his body let’s him, he’ll get more consistency over the next couple of years. Davis and Smoak are still both very young and both could be stars. Salty and Tea are both good defensive catchers, and Salty, i think, will get better offensively. Here’s hoping.
It's not over yet...
6 games back with 7 games head to head… they just have to win all of those, then have the same (or better) record as the Angels in the other 10 games. Piece of cake. Or maybe I’m just delirious.
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I assume you're joking,
but if you assume Texas has a 50/50 chance of winning any individual game, the odds of them winning 7 in a row is 0.8%
Scary thing is that if the Angels lose tonight we'd of still gained a half game on them
Hank Blalock hasn't played in a game since Sept. 6, and is hitting just .182 in 99 at-bats since Aug. 1.
We gotta lotta losses...
Yeah we gotta lotta losses! Nobody’s better than us! We need [these] wins, guys!
Hamilton
We’ve seen the good, the bad. Be interesting to see how he shows up in 2010.
Was he right for any significant stretch this year?
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by hightowersmith on Sep 17, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
there was that one road trip where he hit almost .500
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by Jason Brynsvold on Sep 17, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
consistency also hurt this team
especially Kinsler and Jones. Both had great Aprils and some good series sprinkled in throughout the year. But both had long stretches when they did not contribute at the plate.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
They don't come close
to the problems of C and 1B, which never really contributed anything all year. At least Kinsler and Jones helped contribute for months at a time.
All players are going to have hot and cold streaks, but you can’t get zero from two positions, especially one as offensively important as 1B.
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My comment is an addendum to what Adam wrote
and not meant to trump any problem he outlined.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Then you could also talk
about Murphy, who disappeared in April and August.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Murphy's slump at the beginnign of the year
and his 27 AB slump in August were nothing compared to Kinsler’s slumps.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
But then again
the good Murphy was nothing like the good Kinsler either.
What do voluntary mean?
Kinsler's hot streaks
were also significantly hotter.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I'm willing to forgive the catchers
Salty at least looked better defensively this year than in years past. And Tea isn’t hitting all that worse than I would have expected (though his defense hasn’t been as stellar as I’d hoped either).
But first base is just an unmitigated disaster. Chris Davis was a failure of historical proportions, and the team was screwed because their backup plan was spelled Hank.
Go Rice Owls!
Yes, and help should be coming for 1st.
Chances are it’s better next year even if it’s just Davis with another year of experience and Smoak. As far as the outfield goes, it should be better next year too. Hopefully Cruz will get more playing time, Hamilton will be healthier and Borbon will be a fixture with Byrd or Murph as 4th.
If you think Wash would ever......
…..have Byrd as a “4th outfielder” you’re nuts. A friend put it well last night- Heaven could shit out Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig in their primes, send them to the Rangers, and Washington would still bat Byrd 3rd or 4th.
Byrd is a useful player. But the manager here just doesn’t know how to use him.
Granted, Wash does inexplicably play him over Cruz,
i would be surprised if Byrd is back next year though. Someone will probably give him more than Hicks can afford, so, in that case the problem would be solved. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Wash is directed to play Cruz more next year.
How very sad.....
…that Wash would have to be ordered to play his most productive hitter more often. You are right on. But it’s sad.
That's the way to solve it
Wash can’t bat Byrd 3rd if he’s not on the team. Sad to say that might be what’s required.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Byrd has been one of the team's top 5 offensive players over the season
Arguably the 4th best. Bitching about him hitting 3rd or 4th in the lineup is ignoring the bigger problems on the team which Adam outlined pretty well. 1B, DH, and C are the big problem areas with Hamilton’s injuries/ineffectiveness playing a huge role in the team’s lack of offense.
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-The Outlaw
Agreed
but Cruz has been the second best bat in the lineup this year. Bitching about him getting sat down for the 5th best bat in the lineup is something to complain about.
Right now its more like we have to have both of them in the lineup every day. Its sad but that’s what it is.
What do voluntary mean?
The problem still isn't Byrd
Based on what Byrd is doing this season what the rest of the offense is doing, he needs to be playing everyday. So does Cruz. So do Borbon and Murphy (at least against right handers.
As for it being sad that Byrd should be in the lineup every day, again I have to disagree. He’s got a 107 OPS+ as a CF. He’s not perfect and he’s far from a super star talent, but that is a player that nearly every team in baseball would have playing every day.
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Like I said I agree
the both need to be in the lineup right now.
I do think I would put Cruz at 4th well before I would put Byrd there. Cruz is just a better hitter.
What do voluntary mean?
Ideally, the top of the lineup probably looks like this
Borbon
Kinsler
Young
Cruz
Byrd
Although with Young being hurt, the lineup has to be changed a bit. In the end, I don’t think you gain or lose that much by moving Byrd to 3rd or 4th and bumping Cruz down a slot. As long as you aren’t burying either of them in the bottom of the lineup or having them hit leadoff, its just a crap shoot.
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-The Outlaw
so our whole season
rested on the shoulders of a 23 year old second year player? I’d rather find another scapegoat.
Um...
I didn’t say that. Nice strawman.
Obviously there are lots of problems. But the biggest problem was 1b, and I think that is undeniable. DH was a problem too. As was catcher, but I think that is less of an issue, since replacement level is much lower.
And by the problem being at 1b, I don’t think that is Chris Davis’s fault. He’s a kid. The team should probably have had some sort of fallback plan that wasn’t named Hank Blalock in the event that his being 23 flared up. And indeed, he wasn’t ready. But because the team wasn’t prepared for that contingency, they stuck with him longer than they should have and when they did send him down continued to get poor production from the position.
Go Rice Owls!
Anyone who thinks that Cruz is a horrible defender
should go watch tapes of Brian Jordan, Richard Hidalgo, Milton Bradley, and anyone else who we’ve tried to plug into right field ever since Juan left. Its stupid that when we’ve finally found a guy who is actually pretty good in RF, and people just want to trade him away.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Concur...
and sadly I could easily see him being dealt in the off season.
I sure hope it doesn’t happen though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think the problem with Cruz
is he takes such godawful routes from time to time that just aesthetically he is ugly out there. However, I’ve seen much worse (which goes without saying from team that used to have Juan out there).
He definitely has room for improvement and should be getting lots of fly balls during spring training.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
i agree on the routes
so just think of how much better he could get if he refines that. Cruz should be one of the cornerstones of this team.
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Sep 17, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Not much to say
It’s odd. I feel validated about thinking Cruz was the crown jewel of the Milwaukee deal, and then ignored and off-put to realize that he hasn’t been “approved” someplace within the organization. He’s one of those who arrives late, becomes an AllStar in the eyes of the players and coaches, but unless he gains favor is going to be underutilized.
And I agree wholeheartedly that playing all year around the past four years has to have worn him nearly out. No matter how strong and healthy you are, playing virtually a thousand games in a row with only spotty days off takes a toll. Reckon Wash sets him down in recognition of that? I sure don’t know.
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by Ed Coffin on Sep 17, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Just get rid of Rudy.
Just do it. Fuck the feelings of the players, they’re grown men and this is a business.
I see a lineup with:
Salty
Davis
Hamilton
Blalock
Kinsler
Cruz
and I see a lineup that has the potential to walk a lot, but refuses to.
Obviously, Rudy’s philosophy isn’t geared towards walking. It’s geared towards “If you like it, hit it.” This has to be stopped.
"If you like it, hit it."
What’s wrong with that philosophy? Sounds like a damn good philosophy to me.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Drew effing Gooden??? F U Donnie.
Because
Several people on this team really likes the first pitch. Every at-bat.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Those balls in the dirt appeal to them too.
They’ve been golfing with Millwood too much I think.
After reading your comment, I just gotta ask
the question. “Just get rid of Rudy” and disregard the feelings of the players? In favor of regarding the feelings of a few fans?
If the belief is that the players feel let down when the FO doesn’t bring in any help at the trading deadline, how do you think they’ll handle losing a hitting coach they all appear to like and have great confidence in?
Great question
And I don’t know. But here’s a take. Going down the most essential players, I’d bet you’d find variance in the “they all appear to like and have great confidence in”. Young surely likes him and has said so, and speaks with the authority or self assurance that he basically speaks for the team. Cruz probably has some issue (coupled with apparent reluctance by Wash to turn him loose). Byrd speaks positively with pointed critique about perceived shortfalls, when asked. And so on.
Point being, they are employees and Rudy is part of their management team. I really don’t know what “all” players think of his supervision.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
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by Ed Coffin on Sep 17, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think with players from other teams coming to Texas to have Rudy
work with them probably is an indication that Rangers players aren’t critical of Rudy behind the scenes. From experience, I think having the confidence of your charges is important if they’re going to take direction from you, and Rudy would seem to have the confidence of the players.
by swampdonkey on Sep 17, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a consideration
Imports do have a pretty good record of improvement.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 17, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me introduce you to
Phil Nevin, Jerry Hairston Jr, Brad Fullmer, Brian Jordan… need I go on?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
So
Maybe one of every five reclamation projects working is actually pretty good?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 18, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's probably not far off from the rest of baseball's success
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 18, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The lack of production at 1B has been a huge issue
with This Thing but I’m not so sure about DH.
The average AL 1B has an OPS of .829 while we rock a .673 at that position (distant 14th).
The average AL DH has an OPS of .781 and we rock an .814 at that position (5th in AL).
Funny thing about Blalock is that he had an .811 OPS when he was the DH (above average in the AL) but a .661 OPS when playing 1B. Does nobody in the Ranger FO see this? Blalock was drowning because he couldn’t play every day in the field.
I get why Davis is where he is and why Blalock is so low when playing 1B.
Please tell me how the hell Blalock as a DH is anywhere close to below average when his .811 OPS as a DH is significantly above the .781 OPS of the average AL DH.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Are you a cartoon character?
I mean, does someone come to your house every morning and draw you on an easel?
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
Yes, he is a cartoon character
Josey Wiggum

by Panorama on Sep 17, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a really funny gif
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
OPS is less important than OBP
And your boy was rocking a sub 300 OBP while there. He is one of the reasons that the offense failed this year. Its hard to get consistent offense when you have someone hitting in the middle of the order getting out at that rate.
What do voluntary mean?
based on your logic...
we let hank DH for davis and make the pitcher bat. problem solved.
nippert is .125
feldman is .125
millwood is .122
but i think they all have potential
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Sep 17, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I can understand Blalock taking a huge hit from EQA when he played 1B
but give him 600 ab’s as the DH and you get 40+ bombs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
So you think
that he was going to sustain a much higher level of HR hitting than he had done before despite being a worse hitter than he has been at any other point in his career? You realiy believe that he was going to keep up a pace for the whole season that would basically have him matching Pujols for power and having more power than Fielder, Braun, Teixeira, AGon, and most every other power hitter you could name. I’m sorry even you can’t believe that.
What do voluntary mean?
So, Hank needs LOTS of games off to rest..
AND lots of rest between ABs??
Seriously, I don’t see how his different numbers at 1B and DH can be anything other than a statistical anomaly so far.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Probably attributable to Hanks tendancies to fade in the second half
and his playing 1B in the second half (against RH and LH pitching) and DH’ing against primarily RH pitching in the first half.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Sep 17, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Its really just
an absurd HR rate, for Hank Blalock, in the 1st half that has made him look worse in the second. In the first half of the season he was on a pace to hit more HR then every player in the league not named Pujols. Anyone should realize that Blalock wasn’t likely to keep that up.
What do voluntary mean?
No matter what anyone thinks of Blalock
he’s gone. 1B/DH is not a place the team is going to keep that salary around for.
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1b/DH might be
but it won’t be with Blalock. Hes going to have to find a NRI I think. Hes turned into a piece of trash with the bat. Its sad.
What do voluntary mean?
and I should add
that pretending that Blalock would have somehow been a monster bat in 2009 if only this, that, or the other thing had been done is just shtick.
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Shedding payroll
How about dealing Kinsler?
Anybody?
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I sincerely hope Ian Kinsler does not become the new whipping boy (replacing Young)
around here simply because he had the guts to call out the fans.
It wasn’t a smart thing to do because you can never win that battle and the fans aren’t showing for reasons unrelated to the play on the field.
Still, there’s no reason to take out frustrations and dogpile Kinsler.
That’s what a dumb baseball fan would do.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 17, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't trade Kinsler
who has a very team friendly contract, unless you get blown away.
If we have to get payroll down into the 20 million range then what we are seeing now is irrelevant anyway.
What do voluntary mean?
That we're even discussing cutting payroll to something close to Marlins territory...
…again, makes me stabby and suicidal.
I think thats unlikely to happen
You don’t sell a team at top value by cutting the payroll to zero and likely being to build a loser when you look like your trending upward.
If the FA were better this off season then I think we would really see what was up with Hicks.
What do voluntary mean?
Interesting FAs this year
This is just the list of guys I think we should take a look at. The actual lists at these positions is much longer.
SP
Randy Wolf (would be my #1 target)
Erik Bedard
Justin Duschshduhcxheuihwheuhfiherer
The Rich Harden reclamation project
Horseface Lackey
Jason Marquis
The Ben Sheets reclamation project
Todd Wellenmeyer
RP
John Grabow (we need a guy like him if Dutch is going to stay in the rotation and the Eddie G. experiment is over)
Joe Beimel
Kiko Calero
1B/DH
Nick Johnson
Adam Laroche
Eric Hinske
Hideki Matsui
Mike Sweeney
Aubrey Huff
C
Rod Barajas
Pudge
Yorvit Torrealba (4mm option)
no $$$
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Yeah, I know...
Just saying that there are some quality FAs out there who could fit into our intermediate-term plans.
Here's what I don't understand
You want to save that 4mm that Kinsler would earn next year if Millwood vests, right? Why wouldn’t you just trade him somewhere and offer to pay 8mm of his 12mm salary? Aren’t you essentially accomplishing the same thing?I don’t think Millwood’s value has diminished to the point where a team wouldn’t take him for 1yr 4mm either.
by LiamP on Sep 17, 2009 12:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Question
Do you expect this team to be sold in the next 12 months?
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's a fair proposal
It certainly helps the team out a lot more than trading away one of our top players so they can pay an aging and declining pitcher.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Why?
I thought the goal this offseason was to improve the offense. Trading away one of their best offensive players doesn’t seem like a smart thing to do if that’s the case.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
What's the point?
Kinsler’s value is significantly higher than what the remainder of his extremely reasonable contract will pay him.
by LiamP on Sep 17, 2009 1:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This team can't afford to pay him
Four, six and seven over the next three years?
We won’t have a new owner for two of those, and all we’ll hear is more bullshit out of his mouth about how this is a small-market franchise in a big-market town
Sell high, deal him now. Deal him for a top-flight pitching prospect who’ll be ready next year
Pull a reverse-Upton and move Borbon to second
Fuck you
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Whiney, hurt-fan logic?
I should expect better of you, but sadly don’t…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
heh
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 17, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought they were a TEAM. OF. FUCKING. DESTINY.
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't say
what destiny, or when that destiny would manifest.
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I hope people are preparing themselves for the articles in December about how we're really playing for 2011
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There a lot nice pieces in place
but they need to also plug some holes and there’s no money or prospects in OKC / Frisco to do so.
Boggs, MaxRam and Smoak are going to have to carry the load of improvement in The Show and that’s a pretty heavy load.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Huh?
Really? A team with this many talented rookies can’t get better? A team with an amazingly underperforming Chris Davis and Josh Hamilton couldn’t improve?
Even if the team makes no personnel changes over the offseason I could see them being better next year. Some players might do worse next year, but there are a lot of players you could expect to do better, especially with the bats.
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Amazingly underperforming Chris Davis?
And Josh Hamilton?
I hope Hamilton’s our DH next year
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand your post
I meant that Davis and Hamilton performed way under expectations this year, and I can’t imagine they will both be quite that bad again next year.
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I love how folks just assume
that (1) Holland is going to have it completely put together next year; (2) Tommy Hunter and Scott Feldman are going to reproduce their peformances from this year; and (3) whoever occupies the fifth spot in the rotation will be better than league replacement.
I’d be thrilled if even 2 of those 3 things happened, but I’m not too optimistic.
And why not
Holland is 22 years old and coming off a season in the minors where he went 13-1, 2.27 ERA over three levels while striking out a batter per inning, and allowing only 40 walks and 3 homers in 150 innings. Oh and he’s left handed and throws a couple of 96 MPH fastballs. So yeah, I think he’ll improve on his 7-11, 6.01 ERA of this year.
Tommy Hunter is also only 23 years old, so its not unreasonable for him to do this again.
With Feldman, its a bit less likely, as he’s 26, but certainly in the realm of possibility.
And don’t forget that Feliz will probably be anchoring the rotation next year. Won’t that be a treat to see.
Otherwise, we’ll still have to find a fifth starter from our rehab projects of Matt Harrison, Eric Hurley, Brian McCarthy, and from Dustin Nippart. Plus, who knows, maybe we’ll see a 19 year old Martin Perez or a Kasey Kiker or a Blake Beavan or Omar Poveda……..
None of the four guys you mention at the end of the post are going to be in our rotation next year...
Feliz will not be “anchoring” the rotation next year. He may get 12-15 starts after a mid-season call-up.
I’m skeptical. Guys like Hunter and Feldman so vastly exceeded expectations this year that I expect some sort of regression (how much will be key).
Who the hell is assuming all that?
Holland doesn’t have to completely put it together to improve by a significant margin.
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Totally agree
Young team that was competitive until September? No way they could be any better next year. Instead of selling the team, Hicks should just have an estate sale, auction off the players to the rest of MLB and turn RBiA into a flea market to sell all the other stuff.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
I kinda agree with you
I mean we have loads of young talent that can only get better (hopefully crush can turn it around next year), but the financial mess papa Hicks put himself in, along with all of Ranger nation, is really disappointing, and having to be a ward of major league baseball is really going to suck
And mankind is naught but a single nation - Qu'ran 2:213
Umm, that might actually be that hookup last week dude....
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
My friends and I have talked about this all year
The last several years we have all of the offense and no pitching or defense, and finally after at least 10 to 20 years we get some pitching and defense at the same time, and the offense tanks, how the hell can a team be this snake bit (Cubs not withstanding) i mean we have no Goat or Babe curses so what the hell is it? Do the Angels really have a guardian Angel, they have dominated the division for 10 years. I will have to root for the Tigers or Red Sox in the Playoffs, and that sucks!
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
Well
Setting aside the pitchign for a moment, it is hard to have a team that is great offensively and great defensively.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 17, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They clearly disturbed an indian burial ground...
probably when they built the outfield bleachers at Turnpike Stadium.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
The curse of Denny McLain
The Senators traded their entire starting left side of the IF to the Tigers for a clearly washed up McLain.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Forgot about that one....
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Link?
Glad I have parking passes in the season lot then.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
No
If you show up after 1pm then you pay cowboys parking prices. If you are in before 1pm you pay rangers parking pricing.
Not sure how long after the game they will allow you to stay there however.
What do voluntary mean?
Well
I believe there’s a postgame concert, so that should be tons of fun. I’m thinking about packing a dinner to have on the way out of the parking lot.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
Pretty much.
If you hang around for the concert you probably are better off just hunkering down for a while at the parking lot as you will be hitting the middle of the cowboys rush.
What do voluntary mean?
Anyone know what the contract status is for Aubrey Huff
Since he was traded to the Tigers, he has decent power, hits a lot of doubles does not strike out like a power hitter and gets a good number of walks, he has a lifetime .341 OBP, and an .814 OPS and he is from Mineral Wells Texas, I would live to see him at first base for the Rangers, or at least first base/DH
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
I believe
hes listed as a FA this year. The problem is I think he is really on the down slope. Hes a career high 700 low 800 ops player. This year hes fallen off from that. Theres just too much of a chance that he started his decline phase and will be the same or worse next year.
What do voluntary mean?
BAD Radio
discussing Rangers.
Nothing about The Fern but they are kicking Hicks in the nuts.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
BAD Radio
is absolutely nailing it on the lack of attendance.
Love the restaurant analogy and Arte Moreno reference.
Great work, boys.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
BAD Radio
Now saying the fans are simple minded for the most part and the FO counts on them being that way.
The FO doesn’t want you questioning them or the moves they make.
Oh my.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
They're just trying to get a reaction out of people
by oc on Sep 17, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
They are copying Galloway.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Maybe the fans are questioning the moves the FO did/didn't make
so that is why they supposedly didn’ tshow up.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

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