Tuesday morning Rangers things
Okay, an 82-67 record.
The Rangers need to go 8-5 the rest of the way to win 90. They need to go 7-6 to tie their 2004 mark of 89-73. And they need to win their final 13 games to match 1999's franchise-best 95 wins.
If the Rangers won their final 13 games, Anaheim would have to go 5-3 in their remaining games against teams other than Texas to win 95 games.
The $12 million is the focus of Jeff Wilson's game story this morning. Millwood looked sharper, be it because of his work on his mechanics, the extra rest, or just getting back on track.
Kevin Millwood and Scott Feldman are the only guarantees for the rotation next year, according to Ron Washington. Tommy Hunter, Derek Holland, Brandon McCarthy, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison, Eric Hurley, and Dustin Nippert are slated to compete for the final three spots, per Washington.
Personally, I'm not sure what else Hunter needs to do to go into 2010 with a rotation spot. And of course, given what happened this past spring, I imagine Feldman is only "guaranteed" a spot until Bruce Chen or Jimmy Haynes or Brett Tomko or someone comes in and throws a few nice innings in early March, resulting in Feldman heading back to the bullpen.
(I know, I know, I need to let that go. But that really bothers with me still. I have a hard time having a ton of faith in the decision-making in this organization when I consider that the powers that be felt the team would be better off with Kris Benson in the rotation than with Scott Feldman.)
Former super-agent Dennis Gilbert is heading one of the groups that is interested in the Rangers, although he's reportedly not a front-runner.
Jennifer Floyd Engel has a bit this morning about calling MLB and asking for the person who is running the Rangers, while re-hashing the Galloway and Reeves columns from earlier.
The Cubs have designated Thomas Diamond for assignment, and presumably will put him on waivers. Given that the season is almost over, I wonder if the Rangers wouldn't consider dropping Kevin Richardson from the 40 man roster and claiming Diamond. I suspect that the Rangers have pretty much cut ties with Diamond, and aren't likely to put in a claim, but I've been surprised before.
Jeff Wilson has a bunch of injury updates, including on Michael Young, Matt Harrison, Josh Hamilton, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia (who underwent TOS surgery yesterday). I'm starting to think Harrison might have a better chance of coming back this season than Young.
Ron Washington says he "wouldn't hesitate" to bring Milton Bradley back to the Rangers, although Evan Grant says letting Marlon Byrd walk and bringing Bradley back would lead to a clubhouse revolt. I'll have some more thoughts on this later today.
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If Bradley comes back and Byrd is let go, this team is way more messed up than we think.
Bradley is a douche who is so concerned about everything but busting his butt to help is team win!! There is no place on this team for guys like that. Milton is a very gifted player, especially at the plate, and the Rangers could definitely use his still set. But I personally dont think you give up your “players/team values” for his skill. He worked well here with Warsh and in the club but i cant see the team really opening back up to him after last year, his comments at the beginning of the year, and his actions this year. The first sign of adversity, he runs and hides and with this team there is going to be some adversity due to youth and ownership.
I would be PISSED if he is brought back.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Byrd is likely gone
I don’t think hes a starting OF here going forward. If hes not starting you can’t afford to pay him the 5-6 million a season hes going to get. Hes a pretty good player who we probably just got his best years for cheap.
As to Bradley, I think it would all depend on exactly how much of the contract the Cubs eat. If the Cubs eat 6+ million a year, then I would consider it, because theres little risk. If he comes in and acts like hes an idiot, you cut him for little loss.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Sep 22, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not so much concerned about bringing back Byrd but
more so bringing back Bradley. Isnt MB on a 12M per year? So we would be paying him the same as it would cost to keep Byrd?? Not sure I dig that thought.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHICAGO WILL EAT PAYROLL
Sources say a LOT of payroll.
Like, depending on the return, maybe 80-90%.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and that return will be like a
Kiker or Beaven. No thank you sir!! The more they eat the more they are going to ask for. So what would you be willing to give up??
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Sep 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give up a Kiker or a Beaven in a heartbeat
We have a lot of LAIE types in the minors.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I’d just as soon hang on to Kiker/Beaven rather than get Milton on a fraction of his contract. Milton can’t solve this team’s ineptitude at scoring runs and drawing walks this year.
by FuturePants on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a magician
but he’ll damn sure help, as well as crush some lefties.
A 3-4-5 of Hamilton-Bradley-Cruz sure looks nice.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Bradley?
A guy the Cubs desperately want to get rid of?
I wouldn’t.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I thought he would cost that...
Just, that if that WAS the price, that I could live with it.
I think we’ll get him for less.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so???
The recent report from Onley (see above) was Millwood and a B to B+ prospect? Isnt tha Millwood and a Kiker/Beaven type?
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Sep 22, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood is a salary dump
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is dead to the Cubs
they showed that when they didn’t just bench him but suspended him. Your talking the cubs paying 6+ a year and taking a c prospect back.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Sep 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I believe the scenario laid out by Olney (I think) yesterday was Millwood + 1 B+ prospect
If the prospect is Beavan or Kiker, i’m perfectly fine with making that trade.
by LiamP on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Losing Millwood’s contract plus gaining Bradley’s bat is worth giving up a replaceable prospect.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The return for Bradley would be much less than Kiker/Beaven
I think your talking more about the type of guys we sent to the Astros for Pudge.
You don’t get good talent for someone that your likely to DFA. They killed any negotating power they had with Bradley when they benched him.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is a better player than Byrd
Clubhouse dynamics = meh.
Also, there is way too much perennial fear that this clubhouse will “revolt” Who are these guys who if they are so cocky that they think that their little opinions on who is best for the team should have more sway than the teams? That is the one thing about the Young clubhouse, it seems like people have to walk on eggshells around them. Back in the Teixeira days, there was whining about Dellucci. Then there is whining about not committed to winning. Then there is Young’s whining about moving to 3rd. Kinsler’s comments about the attendence. And now little signs that if Byrd leaves they’ll whine some more.
When you make the playoffs, we’ll care what you think. Shut up and do your jobs.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its not whining about Byrd leaving
If Byrd leaves in FA these guys understand its a business. The problem is if you let Byrd walk when hes gonna make 5-6 million and bring in Milton with your portion of his contract being the same as what Byrd would make. Byrd is a great clubhouse guy, he plays his ass off everyday, every play. He is a great influence on these young kids that even though you are in the majors you still play your ass off. Bringing in Bradley, a guy who admittedly dogged it for a large portion of the season, a guy who wont play at the first twinge of injury, and a short tempered guy who can cause problems in the clubhouse at the drop of a hat.
Unless the Cubs eat almost his entire contract it will be a negative result to trade out Byrd for Bradley. The on field plus you get is negated by the off field negatives by alot
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley > Byrd
our starting outfield is set with Cruz, Borbon and Hamilton…Murphy is fine as a 4th outfielder, and we will have Bradley as a DH/emergency 5th OF and Boggs, Golson, etc. coming up as other potential 5th outfielders on the cheap.
I’d much rather pay Milton 6 mil a year to DH for 2 more years than Byrd. I understand the leadership role he plays, but the leadership of this team pissed away the past 2 weeks when we could’ve been in the hunt. Young was gone for those 2 weeks, Hamilton, so who was the leader on the field? Byrd. And we didn’t get it done. So he’s not going to get 6 mil of my money, if I have a say, to be the leader of this clubhouse after such a horrid tank. Not blaming him personally, but if you’re going to throw that label on him, he’s gotta lead. They have to come through as a team.
Last year, with Milton’s bat protecting Hamilton and setting up the rest of the lineup, our offense was much more patient and productive. This year, with Byrd’s “leadership,” his approach was “get a hit to get on base or not at all.” He set the tone along with Kinsler and Hamilton. And we failed. I think with Bradley on this team, we don’t repeat this kind of performance. He’s exactly what we were missing.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you may well be right
Bradley’s off field issues should be considered by the front office. He isn’t a trivial player – there are many pros and many cons with MB. If Byrd has a lot of value in teaching Andrus and Borbon how to play the game the right way, then by all means keep him. If the Rangers recognize that MB’s OBP is the missing piece to this offense, in spite of his issues, then go get him.
But that isn’t my point. My point is that threats of “clubhouse insurrection,” as EG puts it, is nonsense. Not one of those Rangers players has earned any right to demand anything. Outside of Michael Young, the key position players being relied upon coming into the year have played inconsistently and frankly are the principal cause of missing the playoffs. They should be focused on being the players they should be instead of trying to judge whether it is fair that Byrd is let go blah blah blah. I hate to go to cliche’s, but you didn’t see Jeter telling Steinbrenner how to run the Yankees, or Pujols telling the Cardinals what to do.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 22, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs...
will be eating almost all of his contract.
It’s either that, or he stays in Chicago.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a 0% chance that anyone other than the Cubs will be paying 5-6mm for MB in the next couple of years.
by LiamP on Sep 22, 2009 11:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The number is likely 4 million or less
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Annually or for the remainder of the contract?
I think the Cubs would be hard pressed to find suitors even for 4mm annually.
by LiamP on Sep 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley better than Byrd?
Probably, but not by much. Bradley is injury prone and has no defensive value. Byrd is pretty good offensively, not injury prone, consistent, and can do a decent job of manning any of three outfield positions.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
by trza on Sep 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd is average offensively
An OF with an acceptable glove and an 800 ops bat, made with a weak OBP isn’t a great player. Bradley this year isn’t either, but Bradley last year was a bat that could help carry a team. For cheap you roll the dice and hope it wasn’t a fluke.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bradley is healthy and you are willing to risk injury he is at least an average defender.
He’s better used as a DH, though.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers have enough OFers...
with defensive value.
They need someone who can hit and get on base like Board Game. He can DH everyday.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I more or less agree
But having Byrd around would allow the team to play Hamilton at DH more often, which might help him stay healthy.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
by trza on Sep 22, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts, only quantified better.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Sep 22, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JFE
Was that the most pointless article in Rangers History? It didn’t say anything.
by JShoe on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Im absolutely shocked she still has a job
Good thing she works for peanuts
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 22, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"The Affordable Ball of Hate"
Given McClatchy’s financial situation, her job is pretty much secure.
by Inkara1 on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quick hits
Hunter: he just needs to be heathy next ST to have a spot in the rotation. At least I hope so.
Gilbert: At least it sounds like progress is being made in the sale of the team.
JFE: Why read her articles? She basically parrots whatever Galloway syas.
Diamond: This is his 2nd time being DFA’d. Can’t he opt for FA?
Bradley: Just say no.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 22, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rangers '09 offense : Just say no.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diamond
He hasn’t been outrighted yet. Until you’ve been outrighted twice, you can’t opt for free agency.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 22, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood...
Rather than all of us hoping he wouldn’t hit his innings clause, which was unrealistic anyway, perhaps we should all hope for 2 more starts like he had last night. If he can show that he just had a rough stretch and that it’s behind him his value has to go up, right?
A guy with an ERA in the mid 3’s and close to 200 innings should have some value. Especially to a team who is looking for a veteran starter with very little injury history.
And Tommy Hunter is in the rotation next year. If the Rangers do to him what they did to Feldman to start this year I will be very upset.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Once I got over my anger at Milly for helping us crater..
I sort of came to the same conclusion. I truly hope he has another first half like this year, possibly has a bit more second half success now that he’s learned how far his conditioning had deteriorated, and either contributes to our pennant run or nets us something good.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re Millwood
I’m not convinced yet that his contract is dead weight. Yeah, I don’t particularly want him around here. But $12 million for him for one year is not unreasonable given that someone like John Lackey is going to be demanding a 4 or 5 year fat contract.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 22, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously don't understand wanting to dump him
182 IP with a 3.79 ERA? WTH is going to be the de facto #1 next year, Sheets? Keep dreaming…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4.87 FIP
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 22, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a 5.61 tRA
-13 runs in pRAA too.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Sep 22, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hope that if his mechanics get out of whack, that the team does what they did with him again, except a lot sooner.
He looked a whole lot better last night and he had more velocity too. Not that the Swingin’ A’s are an offensive powerhouse, but wasn’t he getting lit up by everyone before?
by Inkara1 on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see...
that 95 mph FB or 2 seamer that he sawed off Sweeney with? That was a fucking beautiful pitch.
If Millwood can throw 92-93 mph with command and use that curve, he can be the pitcher he was in the first half. It’s just very frustrating to see him go through stretches like the one he just had.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won 12/14 before last night
Averaging 7.2 RPG, so yeah, they kinda have been a powerhouse.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Sep 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is right
most people just assume the A’s offense sucks without looking at their numbers lately. .687 OPS 1st half, but .771 in the second half.
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by t ball on Sep 22, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotation next year
For me, personally, there is only one spot up for grabs. I put Millwood Feldman, Hunter and Holland in there. And I’m pretty happy with the talent competing for that other spot, and the depth in starters 6, 7, 8, etc. It seems obvious that Hurley pitches in the minors to get going again and I’m not real hopeful he’ll be an effective starter in the majors coming off that injury.
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by t ball on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Part of me says I'd like to start Holland in AAA
Let him come out, have a nice few starts, and have him there if we need him.
That’s assuming that McCarthy, Harrison, Hurley, etc. come out to play.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Holland needs to be in the rotation next year.
This is what happens with young pitchers in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Holland will mature. He doesn’t need to add a thing, just get a handle on what he’s got. Maybe 2010, maybe 2011, but he’ll get there.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 22, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Sep 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you simply let Spring Training play out.
If he doesn’t look like he will be a viable asset in the rotation, leave him in AAA to start the year. No need to force something right now if he would be better suited continuing his development in AAA.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I don't think there's any chance Holland starts out in AAA
injury issues or 10+ spring training ERA aside. He’s here to stay.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
Holland is doing his learning right now, and he has all of spring training to refine things and get ready. Can you honestly say that any of the others are sure to be better than Holland? I would not be the least bit surprised to see Holland significantly outpitch Hunter next year beginning in April.
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by t ball on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Can’t Hunter’s dramatic turnaround basically be attributed to two things – 1) getting healthy and 2) getting his cut fastball? Holland has better stuff, and if he can figure out whatever he needs to figure out and put it all together consistently, there’s no way he’s not better than Hunter. He’s just not there right now.
by FuturePants on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland
I’m as excited about him as anybody, but felt like he was rushed this year, and I think it hurt him down the line. With us having a bit of a roster crunch (McCarthy’s out of options next spring, isn’t he?), letting him develop a little bit, to me, wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worst thing to me
is starting the year with anything other than your top 5 rotation arms. With a Feliz-like arm, I can understand waiting a month or so with him in the pen, then a 2 week stretch out…but Holland’s here. He’s been starting, and will start from here on out. No more relief.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood, Feldman, Holland, Hunter, Feliz: 2010
is there any way we start out with Feliz in the rotation, or is he guaranteed to work the ’pen to save innings to start the year?
Sign Sheets at a minimum risk/high reward contract if we have any financial flexibility. We’re going to have to cut Hank (most wouldn’t mind) and Byrd free; Re-sign Omar if he’ll have it; do we have any free agent relievers outside of injured Jack Benny?
I’d take Milton Bradley off of the Cubs if they ate a large enough portion of the salary. If we’re complaining about giving up a Beavan or Kiker, I understand…but we’re going to have to get an impact bat (Nick Johnson, Milton Bradley) with the patience at the plate to set an example for the rest of the lineup to be able to take the division in 2010. The pitching and defense are there. We need some consistent hitting.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll need to stretch out in AAA...
to get back to being a starter.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get the Feldman jab
at management not having Feldman in the rotation to begin with. Maddux drastically changes his mechanics/delivery and has early success and we are supposed to anoint him a starter and give him a spot in the rotation at the beginning of the season?
Maybe you were getting warm fuzzy’s from him but the baseball I was watching at the beginning of the season had me thinking the back of the rotation was up for grabs by anyone who stepped up .
by corbsclinton on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
When did Maddux drastically change his mechanics or delivery?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
Feldman was a side-armer and there was an article in spring training that Maddux liked what he saw and was working on a second pitch with him I believe.
by corbsclinton on Sep 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman was a sidearmer
2 years ago. Before last season they changed him to his current delivery and he had success last year. All before Maddux was hired.
by bushe on Sep 22, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And before being a sidearmer, I think he originally had his current delivery
I could be wrong on that, but that is what my addled brain remembers.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not following the team for long?
by Too Legit To quit on Sep 22, 2009 11:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Olney
Heard this: The Texas Rangers probably wouldn’t welcome back Bradley, even if they were given an opportunity to get him for the next two years on a sweetheart deal. A possible landing spot for Bradley might be in San Diego, where Bradley performed well in 2007, and where the Padres may be in the market for a corner outfielder this offseason. But to repeat: The Cubs will have to put Bradley on a platter and eat a huge portion of his contract, maybe all but $2 million to $3 million of the $21 million owed to him over the next two years.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 22, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if we passed up Bradley for $3 mil over the next 2 years
I would seriously question the intelligence of all involved in the decision.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
But my guess is Bradley for $3 million means that something substantial goes back to the Cubs in return.
My guess, if they were just going to eat $18 million of his contract with nothing in return, they’d have just released him and then tried to file some grievance against him to try to void the contract.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure how much has to go back
I keep comparing this to the Manny/Bay deal. Boston made out pretty good in that one, Dodgers had to send some pieces to Pitt. But MB isn’t Manny.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Sep 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the choice is get a C prospect back and give up 16 million
or get nothing back and give up 20 million…. i know which one would likely be considered better.
The Cubs suspending him pretty much put the writing on the wall. They basically have to DFA or trade him.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Sep 22, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton could be the next Andruw Jones deal
The Dodgers ate the whole contract and got nothing in return. With Bradley’s issue with playing time, I’d be surprised to see much interest for his services coming from the NL, so that limits the possibilities for where he might end up. I don’t think the Cubs are in a strong bargaining position and will likely have to swallow most of his contract while not getting much in return.
by swampdonkey on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he doesn't fit in the NL anymore
I’d say the entire AL West could go after him…and I wouldn’t be surprised to see most other AL teams outside of Cleveland go after him, too.
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The return package depends on the interest of other teams
The Cubs are done with him. They will now shop him in the off-season. If the Rangers are the only team interested, then we can get him dirt cheap. If there are other teams willing to risk taking on Bradley, the cost of Bradley will go up. The Cubs cannot dictate the return; they can only hope there are multiple offers for him and take the best one.
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by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams can go after him...
but he will only play where he wants to play, otherwise he’ll just create a scene.
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by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like a hitter like Milton Bradley
but I don’t want Milton Bradley back here no matter how cheap he is.
He is one of the smartest hitters I’ve ever seen but he cares only about himself (in itself not terrible but it’s to the detriment of the team) -
Couldn’t play in games v LAAA in July so he could play in AS Game the next week.
When the season started to fade away in August, he can’t play but refused to go on the DL.
Was able to play at the end of the season when the team was out of contention but he was very eligible for the batting title.
Some of you are like women who think you (or Wash) will have this magical ability to change this guy.
Fuck him.
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by Josey Wales on Sep 22, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning will cure a lot of what ails him.
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by Maximilian on Sep 22, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care to change him
I will take 120 games of his production vs. 160 games of Hank’s production
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's EXACTLY what I don't understand about most of the bitching...
Let’s say he only gives you 120-130 games… if they’re at the level of his 2008 play, isn’t it worth it?
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole refused to go on the DL thing
Can players actually do that? Why didn’t JD force him onto the DL at the time?
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by JBImaknee on Sep 22, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if they DL'ed him without his "approval", you get a tantrum
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the way JD handled the Ponson and Padilla situations
I don’t think the threat of a tantrum would get in the way of a decision to put a guy on the DL if he needed to be there.
by swampdonkey on Sep 22, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is now twice in one day
I’ve agreed wholeheartedly with Josey’s posts. Nail? Meet hammer.
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by Bob Loblaw on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get this...
MB isn’t going to give you more than 300-350 ABs from a COF spot in the NL. The only value the guy has left is at DH. And, yeah, if we pass on Bradley at DH for 2-3MM over the next 2 years, we’re incredibly stupid.
by JDT217 on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so we are clear
If we bring in Bradley and give him the DH job we have just created a huge dilemma that I hope all Ranger fans understand. Bradley at DH would leave us with Cruz, Borbon, Hamilton, and Murphy as the 4 OFers. Most likely Nellie Cruz would end up being the guy to sit in favor of David Murphy and heres why. I think Borbon will entrench himself as the leadoff hitter and be there 150+ games next year. Washington loves his speed which will keep him as an everyday player. Hamilton, if healthy, is an everyday player. Murphy is better than your average 4th OFer and Washington will most likely use he and nellie in a platoon sort of situation. As long as people realize this and understand it thats fine. But I don’t want anyone bitching if we bring Bradley back and all of a sudden Nellie starts playing only 4 times a week.
Oh and also you probably means you keep Smoak in the minors most, if not all, of the season
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by bigsteve on Sep 22, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing up for MB at DH next year
Shouldn’t mean signing up for a Cruz/Murph platoon next year.
by JDT217 on Sep 22, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But thats what it will mean
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by bigsteve on Sep 22, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
Since Cruz has about a 50/50 shot at outperforming Hamilton, how your analysis fits.
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by Ed Coffin on Sep 22, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Its pretty simple. Bradley, if brought in as strictly DH/emergency 5th OF, will be the everyday DH. Wash loves him, hes a switch hitter, and hes a veteran. So you can mark Bradley down for DH unless hes hurt (which will probably be 1/3 of the time). That leaves the three OF spots. The Rangers seem committed to trying to keep Hamilton out of CF as much as possible and with Borbon entrenched as an everyday player I think Hamilton will move to a COF, most likely RF, spot permanently. I expect Hamilton to return to his 2008 self or at least alot closer to 2008 than 2009 Hamilton next year. His injury this year sapped alot of his power and from what I saw at least post injury was a better approach and he was hitting the ball much better, just no power.
So really that leaves only LF for Nellie and Cruz to share. Sure occasionally Wash will sit Borbon and you can have Hamilton, Cruz, and Murph in the OF but I think that will be very very rare. Murphy is better than your typical 4th OF and a case could be made he is an everyday player, against RHP especially. I doubt we will relegate Murphy to a bench role for 80% of the time. I would say it would be more like 60/40 he and Cruz would split it up.
Basically my point is that tieing up the DH spot to one person who can’t or won’t play much OF (whether that be Bradley or Smoak/Davis) is going to cause issues with the OF. Someones gonna be the odd man out and my opinion is that most likely Cruz will be the guy getting sat in favor of Murphy the majority of the time
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by bigsteve on Sep 22, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I follow that line (without necessarily agreeing)
I think a complication in that straight logic is Cruz’ right-handedness. Wash seems to “book” the lefty-righty matchups. However, sooner or later he has to realize that Cruz has reverse splits, and that Murphy oddly seems to have more oppo power against lefties than right handers. I guess instead of the odd couple, the Rangers’ outfield is the odd quartet.
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by Ed Coffin on Sep 22, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this scenario is quite possible BigSteve...
being that Wash isn’t a big Cruz fan, imho.
So how are Nellie and Cruz going to share LF? :)
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by BigGuns on Sep 22, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter who the DH is?
Seems like if we go outside the organization for a middle of the order bat, we’re still going to have Borbon, Hamilton, Cruz and Murphy to carve up time in the OF. The “problem” you raise is only not a problem if we don’t acquire another bat, regardless of who it might be.
by swampdonkey on Sep 22, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very valid point
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by Rodney on Sep 22, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
this offense hasn’t been good enough this year for the Rangers to stay with what they have and expect to win the West next season.
A bat has to be added imo, and Board Game could be the best one available for the price that the Rangers can afford.
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by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A full year of Smoak at AAA wouldn't be bad.
After the fiasco that CD has been this year, I think patience with Smoak is warranted. While he is tearing it up at the WCB, he wasn’t that good, and doesn’t to be rushed to MLB.
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by awillis111 on Sep 22, 2009 5:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
*
wasn’t that good in OKC,
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Sep 22, 2009 5:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And if Davis struggles next year...
We have a real option as opposed to this year.
by venturafearsnolan on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Trend with the rotation
maybe, they think they handled the Feldman situation correctly since he had such a great year? so next year they do the same thing with Hunter, and then the next year they can do it with Feliz and Holland? Washington’s management skills are TURRABLE
by blueballlefty on Sep 22, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think all Wash is trying to do is provide encouragement
to the bevy of candidates vying for a rotation spot next year. I wouldn’t take everything said for public consumption as gospel or indicitive of how the Rangers management team actually views things.
by swampdonkey on Sep 22, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash did a great job this year
unless he had a direct impact on the OBP issues at the plate. I don’t find many faults with the way he ran this team…
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 22, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that...
to a point.
His in game decisions, lineups, et al. still drive me nuts at times.
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by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Nelson Cruz batting 7th is moronic.
Yes, the team won the game. And Blalock and Byrd had good games.
But that doesn’t make it a sound decision. They could start Pudge in LF every game the rest of the way, and they might even win a couple of those games. But that wouldn’t mean putting Pudge in LF was a good decision.
Cruz has been either the best or 2nd best offensive player on this team. Banishing him to the bottom third of the order behind guys like Blalock and Kinsler is iditioic.
by Hard8 on Sep 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok so I will
put you in the category agreeing with
Feldman in the bullpen
Byrd playing every day
Borbon not being good enough to play the OF
sticking with E Eddie, and Benson
Kinsler leading off
Byrd batting fourth
Cruz batting 6th, 7th, or 8th
etc. etc. etc.
by blueballlefty on Sep 22, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can try
but you’d fail when it comes to Feldman in the pen; which is the same as sticking with Benson (even though i understand WHY they wanted to see if Benson could provide anything)
as far as Byrd playing every day, I fail to see how the guy with arguably the 2nd best line of production shouldn’t play every day, especially when your star OF is hurt half the year and unproductive the other half; and Byrd hit cleanup primarily when Hamilton was out.
as far as Borbon not being good enough to play the OF, if we had defenders that were more aware and better prepared, I do agree with his decision not to just insert him into CF, while we’ve had such great defensive chemistry this year leading to better pitching
as far as Kinsler leading off and Cruz batting eight, you are going to the opposite ends of the spectrum. Cruz hit 4th and 5th for us, too; Kinsler hit 6th and 5th for us, too; they both moved around after struggling. Maybe Kinsler moved out of the leadoff spot too late, but Ron didn’t trust anybody else there, and I don’t blame him, until Borbon arrived and Kinsler was injured, proving he could handle it.
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by Walter Sobchak on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Several Issues:
1) Board Game: Yes, I want Bradley back. Heck yes. Especially if we only have to pay him $5 mill over the next 2 years. Unlike Padilla or Ponson, Bradley’s problems have been with the Media, fans, and umpires. Those kinds of problems are easily dealt with. Bradley and $16 million for Millwood and Beanvan I’d do, but if they release him then I’d also snap him up. He probably won’t go to the Angels, as they already have Abreu, and he probably won’t go to Seattle. But the A’s, Padre’s and Rangers are good fits.
2) Ranger Ownership. I have a theory on baseball teams budgets. My theory is that the amount a team spends is roughly the same as the amount it made in revenue the previous year. Like, if the Rangers made $85 million through October 2009, then they will spend $85 million on payroll in the 2010 season. With the team up for sale, and Hicks going bankrupt, I think the decisions on payroll will still come from Hicks, but where he gets the money from might be more problematic. The biggest problem is that MLB has rights of refusal on any ownership change, which sometimes they don’t worry about, and other times they wield to get their own “people” in place. For the Rangers, I don’t think they are worried about how capitalized the new group will be, since the Rangers (and their ballpark) are fantastically profitiable, and look to be even more so over the next 5 years (as their prospects and young players mature into a championship quality team). So, I think Selig’s going to use his right of refusal to put in place an owner who will have his back politically. (hence a big “NO” to Mark Cuban, if he’s even interested) Unfortunately that leaves Ryans’ position as being on the block, even though John Daniels is pretty secure. And with Daniels secure, the coaching staff is probably secure as well. All Daniels has to say is, “we’ve gotten this far, let us finish”
3) 2010 Rotation: God I’d love to see Neftali Feliz fronting it, but once again, they are right: Feldman and Millwood have earned a spot. In my mind, Hunter has as well, but Hunter could go all Matt Harrison on us.
BTW, Feldman and Millwood are the only pitchers to start 20 games in the last 2 years for the Rangers. wow, Millwood has started 20 games a year every year since 1998.
The only reliever to have appeared in 50 games this year and last? C.J. Wilson.
Idle question. Status of Joaquin Benoit?
by iblum on Sep 22, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A few things...
Abreu is a FA. So he may not be back with the Halos.
Harrison hasn’t pitched as well as Hunter has over a period this long. Remember, Hunter has now had 16 starts and pitched 100 innings. It’s not a fluke. Tommy Hunter is for real.
Benoit is a FA after this year. Given his injury this season I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Rangers invite him back on a minor league deal to see if he can show that he has fully recovered from the injury. After all, he has been with the Rangers longer than any other player, and if healthy is a good arm to have in the ’pen.
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by slc ranger on Sep 22, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed on benoit
if he can get close to his 2007 form he would be a nice asset to have. not a lefty, but he has good reverse splits, so he would be a good guy to have in there if we arent able to bring on another lefty to accompany CJ.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Sep 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: poor Jessica Simpson :(
Now her favorite pet gets snatched by a coyote as she watches. What next?!?
Stupid bitch you don’t let your pet run loose in the Hollywood Hills, this shit happens all the time. Sometimes the coyote will come right up and take it out of your hands.
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
by BigGuns on Sep 22, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

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