Thursday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 9:30 AM CDT
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PrintSo, after that ugly Monday game, the Rangers take the next three from Toronto, losing just Michael Young and Josh Hamilton in the process.
Anthony Andro writes that yesterday's game is an example of the resiliency of this Ranger team.
Evan Grant has praise for C.J. Wilson and Frankie Francisco for coming in and shutting down the Jays in the last couple of innings.
Josh Hamilton left yesterday's game with a bad back, which has been bothering him since the series in Minnesota last week, but thinks he shouldn't miss the Rangers' next game on Friday because of it.
Jean-Jacques Taylor says that Hamilton needs to step up and carry the Rangers now.
Hamilton is particularly key because Michael Young is out with a hamstring injury, although Young, who thought his season was over on Tuesday when he pulled up, now is shooting to return for the Rangers' series with the Angels in mid-September.
Jeff (the writer) Miller has a story up about Julio Borbon and Elvis Andrus hitting 1-2 in the lineup, and if you saw yesterday's game, one of the more memorable moments was Borbon rounding the bases ahead of Andrus when Elvis homered, looking as thrilled as if he'd been the one to hit it.
Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been activated, but he's going to be limited to pinch hitting and emergency catching duties, and will likely undergo surgery to deal with his Thoracic Outlet Syndrome in the offseason.
And there are six groups interested in buying the Rangers, although it sounds like Tom Hicks' (and Bud Selig's) desire to get $600 million for the Rangers is a tad optimistic.
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Exactly what is left for Cruz to do...
…to become an everyday player in RW’s lineup?
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
are you implying
that Cruz doesn’t adhere to proper rollerblading safety standards?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Byrd's secret to getting playing time
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Sep 3, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh dear lord....terrible
but i laughed.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Pic fail
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He should be but really...
…what has Josh done (even lately) that Nellie hasn’t been doing better all year? The bottom line is Cruz should play every game.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
Agreed, and probably batting clean-up.
"We have a better chance to win with other guys in the lineup," said Blalock, who is hitting .190 the past 30 games. "That’s something I’ve got to deal with."
by diamond_dave on Sep 3, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
i dont disagree
but hamilton shouldnt be included on that list
Cruz and Hamilton should start every day
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Byrd w/OBA is 7'th on the team of the everyday players right behind Murphy.
Whom he was platooning with when the season started. His lifetime w/OBA is .330 and has a .337 this year. Murphy’s are .345 and .339. My point is Byrd & Murphy have proven to be exactly what they are platoon OF’s. Byrd has not show anything to warrant batting clean-up or taking playing time away from Nellie.
"We have a better chance to win with other guys in the lineup," said Blalock, who is hitting .190 the past 30 games. "That’s something I’ve got to deal with."
by diamond_dave on Sep 3, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The future of Hamilton
Hopefully any talk of long term contracts for Hamilton is done. It was never a good idea and seems even less so.
The Rangers obviously need another bat next year. Hamilton and Davis are about the two most unpredictable players you could have in your lineup right now. If both play more to expectations next year and you’ve added a bat as well, all the better.
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The status quo being what it is
I wouldn’t be surprised if the bat they plan to add is Smoak.
Where would you add one? 4th OF?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Sep 3, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Fuck that
this team has been built by working from youth
why are some here so ignorant that they just want to bail on it
Smoak is ready to play next season
Fuck Mike Estabrook
and i think youre shortsighted
and failing to see the gains from building from within
aka stupid
Fuck Mike Estabrook
No, I understand the gains. I've been 100% behind our direction since we traded Coco.
I also understand that going into next year status quo is a pretty big risk
i dont think adding smoak would be status quo
but i understand your stance…i merely think the prudent venture and strategy is to stay the course
i like to see if the young guys can get the job done before i turn to the older FA, whereas some, including yourself go the other direction
Fuck Mike Estabrook
because some are so impatient.....
the same ones praising the rangers now that everything is working with youth, are the same trying to go for everything all at once. We got here with a plan for youth why the hell do you stop with what is working? Wait maybe some of us idiot ranger fans would like to just go back to the way we did things cause obviously it worked right? lmao not a day in hell has it worked……now stick with the youth movement.
That's dumb
There’s plenty of youth throughout the team. Keeping Smoak in the minors to begin the season and going with a FA or some combination of other players on the roster for the DH spot isn’t ruining everything.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
all I see here
is you all wanting this player and that player and this player and that player why not stick with what is working? Like I said if we get back to what some of you want and that is spend and bring players in all the dame time we might as well go back to being the same ol rangers. Your way of thinking is dumb to me :)
Yes, people want this player or that player
for ONE position on the team. Aren’t we killing the youth movement by playing Young and Byrd everyday? Lets go cut those old bastards so we can call up Whittleman.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
they are players here that we built around
cmon man thats not the same as going and getting a guy ….geez lets atleast be realistic in our arguments. we have plenty of players and youth and such in this organization to fill the dh spot……..hell right now we have way to many outfielders and 1st baseman……we have enough players to do this within just like how we got here this year if you havent forgotten.
We have 2 options for the DH spot
Smoak and Max. We can roll with other guys in the DH spot, but outside of Young, none of them should really be DHing much. And Smoak is in his first full pro season this year and Max has basically wasted his entire season with injuries. None of those 2 guys are anywhere close to being guaranteed to go from ST next year. That’s why you look at a good 1 year option to try out and bring those guys up when/if they’ve shown they’re ready.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
i would go with smoak based on only one thing
and I may be wrong on this. He gets on base via walks. Now with me saying that I just think he is more advanced hitting wise than Davis at this juncture in his career. The guy doesn’t strike out alot and he hits for avg and not the homer or nothing like some others. Its a 50-50 chance but I have more belief in our people in the organization now and they say he is alot like tex. I guess I would love to see his spring next year to make that decision when he is actually in a tense situation for a spot on the roster.
The only realistic positions for improvement
are DH and maybe catcher. Unless we can spend on a DH, we need to hope for any improvement in the offense to come from the guys we have here.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Fine
what position do you want to do that with on offense?
there isnt really a natural one available
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Who?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Sheffield....hell no
Vlad will be too expensive
Matsui…possible but I also think he’ll be too expensive
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
His attitude doesn't exactly jive with the kind of club we've built, though
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Milton > Sheffield, IMO
I don’t think Milton was a disruption on this team, under the control of Wash, by any stretch. I actually grew to like him. Dude is fired up and wants to win.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
This
is what I’d like to see. After the mess he’s been through in Chicago I’m sure he misses Texas.
I was at the game they boo’d him mercilessly and I don’t think he’ll want to stick around for two more years of that.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Bradley had pretty close to a career year in '08.
And it was also the first (and only) year that he’s played for a black manager (Felipe Alou, Charlie Manuel, Joel Skinner, Eric Wedge, Jim Tracy, Ken Macha, Bud Black, now Lou Piniella).
Now obviously, correlation doesn’t equal causation, but I wonder if there’s something there.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Felipe Alou looks black
Does that count for anything?
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
one issue i see there
if the cubs are going to eat that much money…they are going to want a nice package back
youll have to part with someone like smoak, perez, Holland, or feliz imo
im not even going to discuss the fact that i wouldnt take Milton for free
Fuck Mike Estabrook
No way
Have you looked at Milton’s line this year? If not here you go:
.266/.395/.421
That’s with only 12 dingers too. He’s walking at a nice clip, but factor in the injury and attitude risks there’s no way they can expect to get the blue chip prospects you listed. Hopefully with some new money coming in, they’ll pick up the bulk of his contract and flip him for a few B- prospects
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
no way will they do that
if they are eating his contract they are going to want more
furthermore, you just detailed why i have no interest in him, injuries and attitude
you never know when he is going to be playing and he is too much of a little bitch to play through an injury, give me some team players over that sack of shit
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Interesting point, Ron did wonders with Milton
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Yup
I have to think Ron’s ability to work with and appease players is one of his real strengths as a amnager
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
can he make him healthy
and ron sure didnt get him to play at 90% even
fuck sosa and his career year
he misses too many games and he is going downhill with that body fast
Fuck Mike Estabrook
I want more from my DH
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like that a lot
would cost mucho
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
vlad is slow and
when in the angels lineup they seem to lose more than win this year……our team is being made more for speed …..we dont need a base to base guy stopping the progress……geez I am glad some of you arent the ones running this team or we would be 4th in the division and 20 games under 500 as usual.
its obvious you dont watch much baseball outside of the rangers.
Go look at the halo blog and read their fans opinion on vlad……go look at stats when he is in the lineup and out this year its amazing how good they are without him this year…..when you finally know something about this then we can have an adult conversation :)
We should have claimed Matt Murton
He and Murphy could platoon at DH next year until Smoak is ready to come up.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Who did?
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 3, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
No one
He cleared (he had to be put on waivers to be optioned, so he is still on the Rockies’ 40 man roster, apparently).
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats sucks
He’s way better then Golson.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 3, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
i always thought he was still with the Cubs
i figured that they’d put anyone out in their outfield.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
don't tell me he got DFA'd for Giambi
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
should tell you
just how badly he sucks, which is why we should have absolutely zero interest in him.
Matt Murton....ugh
Even if it is only for a month
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Really?
You think he’d be that bad as a platoon DH facing just LHPs?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
what about jeff bailey
that’s probably just as good of an option for a DH platoon at this point.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Lots of options for cheap-ish, short contracts
Abreu as a DH/backup OF. His .366 wOBA would be 3rd on this team (Young, Cruz) this year. His power is down this year (.426 vs a career .455), but he’s made up for it with an improved OBP (.392 vs a career .378).
Thome as a DH. His .373 wOBA would also be 3rd on this team. He would have to have his option not picked up and not be offered arbitration (I think he’s a type A), but I think I read that was part of his terms to be traded to the Dodgers.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 3, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I suspect that...
…after this season, he’s going to want (and get) a multi-year deal for more than he’s making this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Seeing as how he's making $5 million + bonuses,
there should be room to bargain. =)
You wouldn’t do 2 years, option 3rd for $9 million/year for Abreu? I suppose he is 35 now, which is certainly getting up there. I think a bigger problem is that he’s a lefty and ideally you would add a righty bat for the DH. Same with Thome, plus he’s 39.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 3, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
didn't notice someone mentioned him later....
But yeah.. he’d be a nice bat to have in the middle of the lineup.
There are a lot of moving pieces
but I’d add an OF or DH, righty preferably. I’m assuming Byrd and Blalock are gone or someone else is traded.
I’m all for Ramirez getting a shot if he’s fully healthy and gets going again this winter. Smoak should not come up for a couple of months at least in 2010.
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Jason Bay?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I think he resigns with Boston
and if not, he’ll cost much more than the Rangers are going to spend.
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Also,
the Rangers are in an interesting position. Next yr they will presumably have Hamilton, Borbon, and Cruz in the OF. Then CD and Smoak at either first or DH most likely. Murphy as a quality 4th OFer. You really cant add anyone significant without blocking someone else.
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
I agree with you.
But if you are wanting to shop in the FA bargain bin they you might as well fill your OF and DH needs internally as MC states below. Also, BBTiA looks at FAs from a value perspective.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Where do you upgrade?
and who do you dump?
In the OF you would have to dump one of Cruz, Borbon, or Hamilton. In the IF you’d have to dump one of Young, Andrus, Kinsler, or Davis.
Honestly, with Smoak coming up, Catcher is the only position I see that you can easily upgrade. Maybe you cut Davis lose and upgrade 1B/DH.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I upgrade at DH. Start Smoak in the minors.
Let Davis show me he is a Major League hitter, because like I said above, their is a fair chance that you will be replacing Davis with Smoak at 1B come June 1st of next year.
What if Davis
actually hits next year? Do you trade Davis, Smoak, or your FA. I don’t think you can trade your FA til June? (I might be wrong on that one).
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Which FA DH
would you target?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Matsui if we cant afford Vlad
Sheffield would be 3rd, also Board Game as a trade target, since it appears the Cubbies will be picking up a significant part of his salary
I think the FO seriously considers Vlad
They like to go after Ranger killers don’t they?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
well, they went hard after Zito.
i guess he’s the only one i can think of off the top of my head.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
They also went hard after Halladay
who the Rangers typically do better against than the rest of the league.
Go Rice Owls!
I definitely think
its interesting talk, though I’m not sure they will be looking to add salary depending on the ownership situation.
Too bad Mauer isn’t available :)
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
What do you do with Davis?
His trade value is horrible now and you can’t just cut him.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Many probably like him
but they won’t give up something great for a player just because they like him. And given what we’ve seen with Davis this year, its pretty foolish to just assume Smoak is your guy and to make room for him right now.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Which is why I go into next season with Davis at 1B
Smoak in the minors, free-agent DH.
And let things play out.
Bingo
it is easier for some not to look at the facts though
This isnt fantasy baseball
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Overreact much?
No one here is ignoring facts or playing fantasy ball. It’s a topic well worthy of discussion. There are many ways the team could go. Going from within is the most desirable, but it’s one of the biggest decisions they face this offseason.
Calm down.
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This is his thing
Any outside changes will either cause the players to go into a fetal position in the corner, or the YOUTH MOVEMENT will be over.
no, but i do admittedly tend to fall into extremes
the point is though…if we had this stupid fuckin mindset we wouldnt be giving either Cruz or Elvis a shot this year…would that be smart?
sometimes the best thing to do is nothing
Fuck Mike Estabrook
This is why you sell high when you can...
trade Chris Davis in a package for Greinke. Obviously now that can’t be done. Same thing we should have done with our catchers. Now we’re left with 3 unsures.
Catchers
Looking back on how that played out, it looks more like what JD did wasn’t stockpile catchers to trade but stockpile catchers to try and get one serviceable guy out of the group.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yeah
Always better to get a good trade on your ledger rather than actually put together a good roster
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Is that sarcasm?
Tell me how they put together a good roster with their catchers? So far have any of them met your respective expectations you had for them?
yes, that was sarcasm
None of the catchers have met my expectations yet, but thanks to the number of options we have, things aren’t over yet.
Would you rather have Teagarden as the full time starter now with Michael Bowden and scraps pitching for theteam? I can live with taking the chance on filling a need with Salty over adding something we don’t really need.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
obviously
Because right now, that trade would be Beavan + the little hope we have left in Salty for Greinke.
Go Rice Owls!
I don't think KC ever would have made that deal
add Davis in there, and I think they would have thought about it (and fwiw, I was an advocate of trading Davis before the season; but I’m just a hater)
Go Rice Owls!
They would have said no to that
JMJ got us Golson this offseason, Beavan was in Clinton and people were concerned with the velocity and lack of Ks.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
sorry, hit post too soon
Salty and Hurley are the only ones that had real value in that deal and since Salty wasn’t getting us a potential ace in the offseason, its hard to see how Salty plus a potential mid-rotation guy gets you a proven TORP
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Hindsight is 20/20
"We have a better chance to win with other guys in the lineup," said Blalock, who is hitting .190 the past 30 games. "That’s something I’ve got to deal with."
by diamond_dave on Sep 3, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think
there was ever a time you could have traded Davis for Greinke, and had Greinke agree to an extension. I think that was just bulletin board talk.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I disagree
I really believe there was a time when Greinke was attainable. Perhaps is Cy Young season is clouding your memory.
Dayton Moore was never looking to sell
If you wanted him at the time, you would have had to really blow him away with an offer and Greinke has no loyalty to the Rangers to make him want to sign an extension here early
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That really isn't true
again your memory isn’t correct. Here’s an idea of it. You all love and trust Jamey so here’s a convo we had once upon a time….
I would love to get Greinke here.
But the idea I proposed – which has drawn 80% disapproval – sending KC a package of Saltalamacchia, Hurley, JMJ, and Madrigal, doesn’t kill us in any area developmentally. Feliz, for me, is all but untouchable.
by Jamey Newberg on Jun 23, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up actions 0 recs
what does that prove?
That’s a trade proposal, not an actual trade proposal. We’re not talking about what we were or were not willing to do. We’re talking about if Greinke could ever be had in the first place. Realistically, Moore was not looking to trade his franchise player. To get him at the time, you would have to do a whole lot more than Davis.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Who do you think it was?
Greinke has been one of their best players in recent years, is one of the few guys they have who have been a part of the system for a while, and was also the guy they originally sold as the next great thing when he came up at age 20 anddid well.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
No, it's not.
After the breif time when there were reports that Grink might possibly be available there was a subsequent deluge of stuff out there about how KC neverhad any sort of intention of trading Grink.
They knew exactly what they had.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
I don't recall rumors
out of KC mentioning Greinke trade proposals. Thats why I never put a lot of stock into it.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I disagree
with your disagreeing. I remember all the discussions, but I thought it was just BB talk then, and I still think it is. I’m pretty sure that even if you had traded him. he’d probably be a free agent after next year anyway.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Cheap upgrade: Batting instructor.
"We have a better chance to win with other guys in the lineup," said Blalock, who is hitting .190 the past 30 games. "That’s something I’ve got to deal with."
by diamond_dave on Sep 3, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
like Juan Cruz?
Gawd that guy made me look like an ass this year for pushing so hard for him this offseason.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Yeah, pushing hard for a bullpen arm is a risky prop...
They can leave you looking silly sometimes..
Personally, I think this team has shown a real knack for filling in the 1-2 missing pieces in the pen. If they would just start showing a knack for proerly using the middle guys, we’d be in much better shape.\
I’m all for signing a DH/OF type; we have to add some consistent production to this offense.
On a related note: did I see correctly that 23 of Cruz’s 30 HRs were solo shots. Why oh why couldn’t he have been batting higher in the order???
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
The bullpen
I wouldn’t worry about it much. See if there is a decent NRI or two you can bring in, but for the most part I’m comfortable with the internal options we currently have to fill any holes.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Me too, but..
I never like to say out loud that I’m comfortable with our pitching options. It seems too much like tempting fate.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
You and me both
But if the Royals offered us Cruz for Mendonca, I’d make that deal right now.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Do you really want to pay him 3.75+ million dollars after the season he’s put up?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think he's a reasonable bounce-back candidate
And if Feliz is going to be in the rotation next year, you need someone from the right side who can get Ks.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
O'Day and FX2 get you plenty of Ks
Moscoso and Strop are also options for next year’s pen and both of those guys are strikeout guys
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I can see that
But not for the money he’s getting next year. If the Rangers are going to make a $4 million bet, I’d prefer they do it with someone who isn’t a “reasonable bounce-back candidate.” I don’t think the Rangers are so flush with cash they can be making gambles like that.
Go Rice Owls!
I bet the Royals would be giddy to make that deal.
They owe a mediocre reliever a lot of money for next year.
Go Rice Owls!
x
Why is that the deal you keep proposing?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Because...
…we would have lost our 2nd round pick this past year if we’d signed Cruz, and Mendonca was our 2nd rounder.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 3, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that.
But do you really think the Rangers would have drafted the exact same way if they had lost that pick?
by brettgardner on Sep 3, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that the Rangers (or anyone else) didn't sign Cruz because of that draft pick
But while we’re at it
I’d trade Mendonca for CC Sabathia
I’d trade Mendonca for AJ Burnett
I’d trade Mendonca for Mark Teixeira (though I’d think about it for a minute…)
and there are probably a dozen other Type A’s we could have signed, if not for that stupid 2nd round pick lost. Stupid compensation rules…
Go Rice Owls!
Only because
you are insane from spending all your day ruining peoples lives.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Adding bullpen arms
is incredibly risky. You can go after premier closers, but they are expensive. Middle relievers are just a way to waste money. You’re far better off going to the scrap heap (e.g,. Darren O’Day) and hoping to get lucky than committing millions of dollars to them.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 3, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 150%
You can build a good bullpen with scrap heap guys, failed starters, and youngsters who throw real hard and are learning how to pitch in the bigs. A group of those guys is no less reliable than a group of high dollar middle relievers and they’re a lot cheaper.
Remember when the O’s signed like four relievers to multi-million dollar deals a couple of years ago? How well did that work out for them?
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
who was it?
BJ Ryan was one. Jaime Walker
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Dennys Reyes too, maybe
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Scratch that, I mean Dannys Baez
They also signed Scott Williamson and Chad Bradford that year.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
jeez, that got them real far.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
free agents and freedom
misnomers abound…
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Grief...
Nothing is easy.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Every time this team kicks me in the balls,
they come back and suck me in again. This is crazy, this is the first time I havent shifted 90% of my attention to the Cowboys by this time of the year in 10 years.
What a great 2 days of baseball it has been. Keep it up guys!
Get well soon MY and Hammy. Welcome back Hank Blalock( not to be confused with Hack Blocock)
Testicals. That is all.
lol @ your sig
do you remember which episode that’s from??
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Sep 3, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
As someone pointed out the other day
there is a line from Godfather III about what this team is doing to me, but that movie never actually happened, so I won’t repeat it.
Go Rice Owls!
That...
…and those rumored Star Wars prequels everyone was talking about for a while. Whatever happened to those? Did the plans fall through? I was excited there for a minute. But I guess I’m kinda glad, though. I’d have hated to see George Lucas come back and screw up the franchise.
This is September 3 and the Rangers
Are right in the thick of things. Not only in the WC but the West also. This is so much more than any of us could have hoped for at the begining of the year. I for one am so proud of the Rangers and what they have done this year. This makes next year even more exciting.
Go Rangers!
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 3, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Happy birthday!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Sep 3, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
they say its your birthday,
duhduhduhduhdandandandan so happy birthday to ya!
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Photos
Why can’t we see the “more photos” anymore? When you click on the story’s picture you only get a bigger version of that one.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
Love the preview of our future lineup
with Borbon and Andrus batting 1-2
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
Good quote
"When you play happy," Andrus said, "good things will happen."
by GregoryM on Sep 3, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions
Did he say that in English?/
or did the translator not get it when he said ‘Feliz’?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Obviously Feliz deserves credit for Andrus' HR.
Recently, Feliz has been working on a secret weapon that is the main reason for the significant improvement of his curveball. Telekinesis. Feliz wanted the Rangers to win, so using his newly developed skill, he ‘willed’ Andrus’ ball over the left field wall.
At that speed the baseball would disintegrate,
and the umps, in their confusion, would allow Feliz to continuously run around the bases, scoring runs at will. Toronto forfeits.
Could Elvis and Borbon circle the bases with him?
While smiling and laughing at each other from across the basepaths?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Andrus, Cruz, and Borbon seem like they're all pals, the way they were laughing and hanging out in the dugout last night
I bet those three hit the town together and holla at some ladies.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
would it have counted as a HR had Feliz caught the ball in the batter's box
and thrown it out of the ballpark at 100 mph….
…to announce his presence with authority.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Nice theory..
and if ever there was a guy who could relax his mind enough to actually master telekinesis, it would seem to be Feliz. His expression after every out and he makes that little circle in the infield just screams “Next!!”
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I still can't believe we took those final 3 games from Toronto
BMac, Nip and the Big Game Himself.
She say she are the manager.
You mean Cy Young Feldy?
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Sep 3, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Well.....
The Great Hank Blalock War of June 2009 has certainly taken another turn now hasn’t it?
A little surprised Hank F was summoned from Siberia to get the start but he was a real pro. He wasn’t very good the last week (definitely exhausted) before the benching but there were signs he was coming out of it (the walks started coming, narrowly missed HR’s, line drives that were caught) but every time he stepped on the diamond, a black cloud followed or an anvil dropped on his head.
Probably need to let it all play out because, well, sometimes The Fog of War can be quite blinding. The next two weeks without MY should be quite telling.
This wouldn’t be a good time for CD to throw down another 3 for 44 (and he looked like hell last night) and while he has been better, he’s had a lot of luck in that 11 for 36 he’s had since coming up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Can't hear you.. Take the balls out of your mouth and try again..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
Did you really capitalize "The Fog of War"?
I’m not even sure why you try anymore. You clearly aren’t interested in having a legitimate discussion, and you haven’t convinced anyone of your crackpot theories. For a while I thought it was easier to just ask you simple questions and watch you run away and hide like a little child, but now I just feel sorry for you. Your commitment to idiocy has become your addiction.
You just can’t stop yourself, can you?
cstorm
I don’t run away from anybody but I also don’t go down rabbit holes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Heh
Still waiting on that proof that the vets on the team don’t like JD. I (and others) have been asking for that since you threw the theory out last winter when Young was asked to move to 3b and got all huffy.
Officially gay for Neftali Feliz
I used to taunt him with my list of unanswered questions
I was hoping that seeing constant reminders of his own failed arguments would convince him to change his ways, but now I realize he’s just living in a fantasy world.
He should really start his own blog so that he can listen to himself talk online without all the disruptions.
cstormy
Awwwwww……are your widdle baseball feelings hurt?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
So you think Little Boy Donuts has the respect of the room? Okay....sure.
Your question was answered many times, RC, you just didn’t like the answer I gave you.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
You have never answered,
you just repeat your assertion with no evidence. That is not an answer.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Josey Donuts never answers.
He either repeats himself, or personally attacks the poster. (“Awwwww…are your widdle baseball feelings hurt?”)
Not only is Josey is moron, but he’s an asshole.
Our very own gossip queen has the royal thong bunched
up her ass as well!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Classic Josey
Doesn’t know the answer, so he’s going to act tough, use a bunch of grown-up words, and then run away like a petulant little child.
See ya tomorrow, Josey!
You didn't like the answer either, tball
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
You didn't give one
how could I like or dislike it? Again, simply restating your baseless assertion is not an answer and it certainly isn’t proof.
You got nothin’.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Waiting on a link, champ.
And I’ve been waiting for weeks now after you made the bold claim that the veterans hate the front office.
Facts, not guesses. Evidence, not speculation.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Aaaaaaaaand...
…crickets. Guess I’ll just keep waiting on that link that will never, ever come.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Josey
What answer? The one you’ve made up about 1000 times, with no proof other than your fevered imagination to back it up?
I still haven’t seen one quote from an active Ranger player, one shred of evidence that you have any more idea what goes on in “the room” than any of us do. All you’ve offered is your own take on the situation and a few comments last winter from Kevin Mench, who’s hardly an unbiased source on the subject.
Let’s hear who your sources are, and what they have to say. Specifics, not generalities, or projections of your own feelings onto the players. Because that’s all you’ve offered so far.
Officially gay for Neftali Feliz
Still crickets
Though to be fair, I know he’s a busy man. Hank’s balls don’t clean themselves.
Officially gay for Neftali Feliz
by RCCook on Sep 3, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's your preferred 1B/3B lineup with MY out?
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
When I saw your post I had to scroll up to see what prompted you
Then I saw the OP.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Will Carroll on FOTF
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Normally I really hate...
off days for the Rangers. However today is an exception.
College football starts tonight and I have a game to go to. I can’t believe the Rangers are still in it and football has started. I don’t know what to do. Well, for tonight anyway it’s GO UTES. Then it’s back to what really matters. Important Rangers games in September.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He did alright.
Though admittedly, he wasn’t tested a whole lot.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Friday night line-up
should be most interesting.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
So let me get this straight ..
After nearly 200 comments, albeit after a huge victory, not a peep about Wash last night?
I imagine there was a GDT meltdown or two about it, but good fucking grief.
The game was well in hand since about the fifth inning, everything is riding perfectly smoothly, CJ dominates the 8th with a short 9 pitch inning. I plead with my buddy that Wash will let him finish the 9th, on such a short pitch count already — with Fx2 having pitched BOTH games of the doubleheader.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
You pull him after striking out Overbay, only 15 pitches in, to put Frankie in for 2 outs?
Is this April redux? CJ looked PISSED — ball flip was in order.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
The drunk driver made it home safely last night
without wrecking the car or killing anybody but the decision to drive home was not smart.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Snider's ball looked gone off the bat, I swear.
I had a perfect angle sitting in LF, and that thing died nicely for Cruz.
If that wouldn’t have spelled the end for Wash, nothing would.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
If that were the case, BuckyB
he shouldn’t have been out there at all.
Again, failed logic.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean, every manager in a playoff race is going to have to stretch their bullpen
You form your arguments with an extreme bias against RW
He could have:
(1) Put in Franky, and here we are
(2) Left C.J. in, you would have blasted him for leaving in C.J. for 2 innings when it was his 4th appearance in 5 days.
(3) Put in a less reliable pitcher, and you would have blasted him for not putting in a dominant bullpen arm in a game of that much importance
Tired arguments from the Wash-haters. The man led the rebuilding Texas Rangers into playoff contention….
Bullshit.
Jon Daniels led this team where it is.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be dumb.
If that wouldn’t have spelled the end for Wash, nothing would.
Can we stop with all the, “Wash is anywhere close to a problem for this team” bullshit?
I mean, do you really think with the way this team has contended out their butts a whole year early and fought like crazy through tons of adversity that Wash really would have had his end spelled if FX2 has given up a homer to Snider last night?
Wash is frustrating at times, but so is every freaking manager.
They never do everything the way we want.
Wash isn’t anywhere close to the hot seat.
Lord.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
Wash is an amazing coach
I think he has unique ability in managing people.
But are you really telling me that you can continue to kick this crap under the rug?
From talking to Trip, I believe he told me that he speculated Frankie had a torn labrum, possibly from overuse in April.
I would love to hear your reasoning behind why Frankie should have been used last night, or CJ for that matter.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
b/c it is unfair for you to grade him in that fashion
you cant punish him for some sloppy gameday decisions while simultaneously refusing to give him credit for the way his team plays
do you believe this team would be playing like this for a different manager? they love wash
Fuck Mike Estabrook
If this is what we can expect from Wash
I’d like him replaced.
You can get your panties in a wad like dirkatron, but I want a manager that gives his team the best chance to win over 162 games. Wash does not consistently do that.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
let me get this straight
you want a manager who manages brilliantly but the team doesnt give a shit about him?….that team wins less games, guaranteed
how much impact do you honestly think gameday management has…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
There is no reason why that game should have become a nail biter.
And I place the blame squarely at the feet of the man who put his players in those positions.
I mean, this was damn near consensus in the stands, and I wasn’t sitting with fuck tards.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And I stand by this.
If that wouldn’t have spelled the end for Wash, nothing would.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
upset much?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Mildly
this isn’t the first time Wash has dropped the ball, so it’s disconcerting that he doesn’t follow any perceived principles.
I’m sick of the gut. Shoot me.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He annoys the hell outta me sometimes, too.
But all managers do shit like this.
I pull my hair out everytime I see Cruz’s name missing from the lineup so he can squeeze in more AB’s for Andruw and Hank and the Murphsquito, but the bottom line is he’s a fine manager and nowhere close to the hot seat at all.
To imply otherwise is silly.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
Well then you're being dumb.
Wash is gonna be AL Manager of the Year in a few months.
He’s about as close to the hot seat as I am to nailing Jessica Alba in the butt tonight.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
And Michael Young won a Gold Glove!
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop being fucking stupid.
It’s annoying.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
Yeah, I'll tuck my tail
clearly Wash has won over the board.
I guess we’ll take the good with the awful.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate him sometimes, too.
He does borderline irrational stuff from time to time, but all managers do this.
The bottom line is the players all seem to love him and play their asses off for him, he’s a great clubhouse manager and the team is contending a season early even in the face of a lot shit going wrong.
He’s absolutely positively not on the hot seat at all.
I’ve absolutely lost my patience for all this dumbass kneejerking about how awful Wash is after every time he makes a non-stathead approved move during a game.
He doesn’t manage the games exactly how we think he should, but he’s also doing a fine job overall and is not anywhere close to being fired and please stop fucking saying that he is cause I’m about one more nonsesical anti-Wash rant away from being pushed off the fucking cliff of sanity and I’m going to start rage-drowning old ladies in the bathtub down at the local nursing home if I have to listen to anymore of this ignorant ass shit.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
All he's saying is that Wash isn't getting fired anytime soon
No matter what
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I realize that.
But I don’t agree with it.
Again, maybe I should stop being stupid and annoying.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, please.
I should stop being stupid and annoying.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
It's possible to have valid opinions that disagree with yours.
I’ve done it before without you taking issue. Don’t know what struck a chord here.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the opinion in question here isn't fucking valid.
You saying Wash would’ve been anywhere close to having his end spelled if Snider’d gone deep last night is like me saying that if Ian Kinsler goes 0-4 tonight, he’s gonna be in real danger of being DFA’d.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
Okay dude, I'll take that literal statement back.
I understand that Wash will be back as manager next season. Ok?
The rest of my take on Wash is absolutely valid. As well as the irrationality of his move last night.
When is enough for you? That appears to be the real opinion in question.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
When is enough for me?
I don’t understand the question.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
When will the gut dissatisfy you?
After it becomes official that Frankie frayed his labrum?
After he costs us a game or two in a pennant race?
Those are plausible scenarios with his current track record and decision making abilities.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
To this end,
I suggest that measures be taken to avoid his bullpen mismanagement.
I would hope his bullpen mismanagement doesn’t trump his vibe with the players, but I’ve already stood on a limb for that.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure you're intimately familiar with them.
You’ve solidified your status amongst the dumbasses on the site.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
im not the one arguing Ron Washington should be fired
look how many people agree with you…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Both of you are clueless.
Don’t respond to my posts anymore, for your sake.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 4, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
by LiamP on Sep 3, 2009 12:34 PM EDT via mobile
Agreed
It was a remarkably irresponsible move given Too Frank’s injuries this year.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
this is josey level stupid
If we fired a manager who led us to an over 500 record when most were guessing mid to high 70s wed be slaughtered across the board
you cant bash him for the bad and not credit him for the good
Fuck Mike Estabrook
At least pair him with a tactician of a bench coach
that would be a solution you all have not offered me.
Then, we get all the “Wash is player’s manager!” bullshit along with no fuck-up decision making in crucial spots. If we had more damning proof of his incompetence, such as a serious injury to Frankie or CJ, then you’d be a little less guarded on this issue.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't that why they had Ken Macha?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Err.. Art Howe
Getting my bench coached mixed up
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
but I would prefer for the coaching staff not to be operating exclusively from the gut.
How fucking unreasonable of me.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, yes. We'd all love a manager who made all of his in-game moves in a manner that made perfect sense to us stathead fans on the series of tubes.
But the plain old fact of the matter is that that guy doesn’t exist.
There is no perfect manager who does everything just the way we’d like him to.
If you can get a guy who the players really seem to like and play hard for and can get out of his own way even just most of the time, then that’s a guy to keep.
He’s not anywhere close to being on shaky ground.
And, as much as he frustrates the hell out of me sometimes, I’m glad.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
We
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
We're not in the dugout
I have to believe that for some of Wash’s decision, we don’t know all the facts. Maybe a reliever couldn’t get warmed up correctly. Maybe a bench player is on the bench because he’s a little dinged up that day. We just don’t have all the information. All we see are the stats. Wash said that FF said he felt great and wanted the ball. Does that not count for something? Do you think that Wash would have put him in if he said he was tired and sore from the workload the previous day?
All I’m saying is its hard to second guess every decision without knowing all the facts.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It is more concerting if he talked to Frankie
but any competitor will want the ball in that situation, so you have to filter out that bias.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes and no
Frankie may have learned his lesson earlier in the season when he went on the DL after overuse. Same with CJ after last year. Again, we’re not there, so we’re not privy to those conversations. Is Wash a good enought judge of character to know when one of his guys is just being competitive, but really isn’t feeling his best. I don’t know. But neither do you.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I do know what overuse is
and Wash has overused Frankie multiple times this year.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What is your definition of overuse?
FF2: 42 appearances, 40 innings, 2 occasions pitching 3 times in a row
Fuetes: 51, 44, 3 (one 4 in a row)
Rivera: 55, 55, 2 (one 5 of 6)
FF did have a lot of pitches in August, but that month he only had 2 back-to-back starts.
One of the side effects of winning a lot of games is that your closer gets more work.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 3, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh. Use more of the "closers" then.
Like C.J. with his 142 ERA+, compared to Frankie’s 126. There are quality arms in the pen, with more on the way.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
We already discussed how C.J. would have been overused, too
I think we’ve decided that you would have put Grilli or Moscoso in… no thank you
Absolutely
Would have been happier with either choice, especially Grilli.
And I’ve been advocating for him since we picked him up.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And, to answer your question Adam, I'm pretty sure the entire park held their breath on the Snider ball.
I looked down, head in shame, knowing full well what that would have meant to our season and Wash’s tenure, for that matter.
Inexplicable. Inexcusable.
Bad, bad, bad.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Wash did a good job last night.
He didn’t try to push Hunter even though he was at 86 pitches after the 7th. He let CJ get Overbay, a LHB, in the 9th before bringing up Frankie. He only threw 23 pitches total on Tuesday, 10 last night and they are off today. He also subbed Omar for Blalockin the 9th, moving CD over to 1B.
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Yes
I was actually pretty pleased with it, too.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
Bad logic.
Because he did this move, and nothing bad happened (that we know of), does not justify it.
That was CJ’s game to finish and nobody else’s. But, I understand the situation .. Frankie is Ron’s “closer.”
Frankie walks a guy, then you have a lefty up. Then what? Bring CJ in? Oh, wait ..
I’m just saying that if you have a power relief pitcher who is dominating, why pull a guy from dealing to see if another guy may or may not have his stuff that night?
It is simply not worth the risk. Period. Good defensive changes, sure, but aren’t they moot if Snider goes deep there? I think you’re off base.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
But was available enough for the 8th inning
and for the strikeout of Overbay to leadoff the 9th. Got it. Thanks.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Again
I don’t see how much we are “saving” him by pulling him from the last two batters.
What happened to riding the hot hand?
That was the popular meme here just a short while ago.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by inactive lsb user on Sep 3, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I love these young guys
Borbon cheezing after that home run was just awesome. And what can you say about Big Game? Keeping the Rangers in it throughout the game. He has been nails this year. Last year, the Rangers lose that game 8-6. Good stuff.
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