Rangers Trade for Danny Gutierrez
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 3, 2009 3:28 PM CDT
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PrintReports are the #Royals have traded top pitching prospect Danny Gutierrez to Texas for AA Catcher Manuel Pina,and minor league OF Tim Smith.
What??? Why??? Who is he????
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I guess I don't have to read
Tim Smith’s baseball world cup blog anymore.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Sep 3, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Was just thinking that
"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan
by Suicide Prince on Sep 3, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i was kinda sorta
starting to fall for tim smith’s prospectyness, his greer-like stats, etc. but smith and pina are probably a small price to pay for danny gutierrez. it does make me wonder if JD plans on simply farming out our pitchers to other staffs next year, because we may not even have enough position players to field complete teams.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Oh, won't somebody please think of the overall symmetry of the prospect depth in our system!!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
pffffft. im not concerned in the slightest what our Position prospects look like.
as far as i see, LF is a position to strengthen over time. Catcher unless we see improvement with both our TT/Salty combo, a DH? not with Smoak and Crush having to fight for playing time. All the rest of our club, 6 of 9 places are guys signed 4 years or more. 1/3 of those are all stars. i just dont see the need at the top, and hence the thin area. but this year saw us go after a lot of toolsy raw OFers with high upside that are 4 years away or so, so it all comes together.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
dirk was being facetious
and so was I. A GM should never make a meaningful trade or draft pick while thinking about minor league position depth. I do, however, think we will be extra active in the minor league portion of the rule 5 draft filling out our ranks with org guys.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Interesting
He hasn’t pitched many innings, but BP says he has a power plus curve.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
hmm, seems like we dont need any pitchers
but those numbers last year look pretty awesome
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Before the season
Sickels named him their 10th best prospect.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/8/17/990619/kansas-city-royals-top-20-pre
He’s been on the DL for a lot of this season though.
Maybe someone with a 3B wants Gutierrez.
It’s really odd timing just to trade for him.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Waiver deadline past
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
You could still trade for a 3B
They just won’t be eligible for the post-season.
"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009
I doubt you would be able to get a significant upgrade over German/Vizquel
for the cost of Smith and Pina.
My guess is that anybody you could get for those 2 would be basically equivalent to what we’ve already got.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Errr... a twoot from a KC radio station?
Given the odd timing and seeming randomness of a trade like this going down right now, I’m gonna have to see some real confirmation before I believe this actually, you know, “happened”.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
So is he any good?
Why? Is there a method to this madness?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
BP profiles him as mid rotation starter
though I dont think those evaluations get updated during the season. His main issue has been staying healthy apparently and he throws across his body.
And this will upset finnerty, he’s small at 6ft1 180lb
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
he's a great arm.
Has a really bad attitude as you can tell from his older brother posting in another area. If he fixes that, he’ll be golden.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Rany Jazawhatever said:
On August 12 (www.ranyontheroyals.com) he rated Gutierrez 7th in the Royals organization:
7) Danny Gutierrez, RHP, 22. If I had written this piece a few weeks ago, my evaluation of Gutierrez would be very different. Gutierrez broke out last season as one of the most intriguing arms in the organization; the former 33rd-round draft-and-follow showed an improved fastball and dynamite curveball on his way to striking out 104 batters in 90 innings for Burlington last season. But his debut this season was delayed by an arm injury – continuing a trend, as he missed a month last season with a fracture in his pitching elbow – and then had a fight with the organization over his rehab process.
I confess to not having a handle on all the details; if I understand things correctly, he also took on Scott Boras as his agent during this time frame, and Boras has already picked a fight with the Royals over their rehab process (the Carlos Beltran affair of 2000). One way to look at this is that Gutierrez has some growing up to do. Then again, given my opinion of the Royals’ training staff, it’s hard to be too upset with the kid.
In any case, Gutierrez finally regained his health and was assigned to Wilmington two weeks ago. Working out of the bullpen, he allowed just three hits and one walk in eight innings, striking out 10…and then earlier today he made his first start for the Blue Rocks and threw four hitless innings, with a walk and 3 Ks. We’re only talking about 12 innings, but those are 12 damn impressive innings. He seems healthy again if nothing else, and his upside rivals anyone in the organization. I’ll give him a Grade B- for now, though I’m tempted to just give him an incomplete.
"we’re a bunch of knee-jerking yahoos who like new and shiny things." -- FirebatM3 July 10, 2009
hmm, very encouraging
Seems like a guy the Rangers scouts must have really seen something. The times he’s pitched he’s been really impressive. I trust our dudes here, although i did like Timmy Smith, i liked Mitch Moreland better. Manny Pina is not much better than a back up catcher and we have a mini-Pina in De Los Santos who might be better… We could have a steal. I also have zero problem with him having a problem with his rehab, the Royal’s trainers are famously bad.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Telis may be the best of them
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
yea, De Los kinda profiles like Pina
although he could definitely be better
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
He certainly has the best nickname
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
He's one of those few guys that I look to see when they start in the minors
And then try to listen to it on the internet radio feed or boxscore watch.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Sounds like what we had with Holland last year
only much more injury prone.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
"Improved fastball"
What kind of velo are we talking about here?
by LiamP on Sep 3, 2009 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Inside Corner quotes
Baseball America’s pre-season report here
He pitched at 88-92 mph early in the 2008 season, but was at 90-95 mph with good life at the end of the year. He has power and 12-to-6 break on a curveball that buries itself just as it reaches the plate. He also shows some feel for the changeup."
I’m liking it more and more as I found out the details.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Derek Holland part deux, but with an attitude?
draft and follow, improved Velo
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Dayton Moore is actually a robot programmed by JD to subtly help us in our efforts towards world dominance
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I would settle for MLB dominance
for the next 15 or so years.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
JD wont
he might be getting too greedy, kinda like Napolean
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
As long as it produces a WS ring
I don’t care how greedy he gets.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Napolean got lots of stuff done before Waterloo
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
umm if that was the case
i wish we would have snapped up Grienke.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
that would have actually gotten Moore fired
we need him to stick around til at least 2014
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
That's why JD is so smart: he doesn't try to steal too much from the Royals too fast
A cheap deal for Greinke would arouse suspicions and get Moore fired immediately, ruining the plot. But a stealthy series of thefts from the Royals? It could go on for years!
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Eeh, I don't think so...
One of the great things about Holland was how quickly he moved through the system. Gutierrez could be in Double A next year if he’s healthy, but even then he would be the same age as Holland this year.
Plus Gutierrez is a righty…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
just making general comps
Holland was about as unique of a prospect as you’ll get
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Royals Review
also said something about him pleading guilty to charges (possibly assault) and having to serve community service in the offseason. They think he may have been traded to send a message, like they did with Daniel Cortes. Not sure if any of that is true, but that is the rumor.
The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin
That a great message
Hey you have a lot of talent and we suck from MLB down to A ball so guess what you are getting traded.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Well, he looks angry and assaultatative...
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The bee looks like
it’s a-aimin’ ta stang ’im.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
HAHA.
I actually laughed out load. thats funny
You laughed out a load?
Did you need to go get some fresh underware?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
something like assualt with touch (barfight?), failure to appear, speeding, no license, and some other stuff....
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Catchers
Pina was rule 5 eligible and probably wasnt getting added to the 40
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yea, i had forgotten about this
makes even more sense now
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Yeah
Gutierrez should be safe for two more winters before needing to be protected whereas Pina was this winter and Smith was next winter.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
good to see that JD
is actively involved with at least one of the dumbest GMs in baseball.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Sep 3, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
why exactly was he doing that?
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Because them bees was tryin' to stang him!
Are you blind?
by shroomer on Sep 3, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because Bay was called safe on a bang-bang play...
and Aybar thought he had tagged him out. That and them bees was tryin’ to stang him!
by ghostofErikThompson on Sep 3, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
looks kinda like eddie
when he got kicked out earlier in this year, one of the funniest things ive seen this season
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Scrolled through here 3 times
and laughed at this every one of them.
"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan
by Suicide Prince on Sep 3, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
Thank you for using the LSB Gallery!
I will certainly get back to keeping it fresh and updated!
by oc on Sep 3, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
What the URL for that again?
I thought I had it bookmarked at one point, but I either buried it or never actually did.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by LSJ on Sep 4, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Thx
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by LSJ on Sep 4, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That is AWESOME!
Tommy Boy anyone?
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Looks like Guillermo
He can hook up Hank Joe w/ some chronic…
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1646432512/nm0246585
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...
id definitely think so
around 14 or so maybe higher
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I think this is EXACTLY what JD needs to be doing
We are getting guys that will be reaching Rule 5 status and our farm system is getting pretty deep.
Why not trade quantity for quality?
exactly, DG has higher upside than both of those guys
I actually really like it
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Indeed
Just a smart under-the-radar trade. Won’t get big praise any time soon because it doesn’t involve big names or immediate big league impact, but it’s the kind of trade that good GMs make.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Health concern
I hope he’s over it, but the downside is obviously the health issue. I agree with your point on the whole, fingers crossed he can keep his newfound health. Elbow issues = not fun
I think a broken elbow sounds not as bad to me
i guess because its bones and not ligaments being messed up and bones seem to be better off in a pitching motion than Ligaments… although i know nothing about this.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Yep
seems like a bone could heal on its own and not require surgery, assuming it was not a complex fracture. Seems like ligament or cartilage damage would be worse.
The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin
who knows, but next year, he'll definitely be in AA
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Great buy low deal!
He is only 22, has good stats and could be a breakout candidate for us. I would certainly send him to fall ball to get some extra work and send him right to Frisco for 2010 and LET HIM STAY THERE ALL SEASON!
It may give us an option of putting him or Feliz in rotation someday and the other in the bullpen. Gutierrez is a nice addition to the “next wave” of pitchers. Main, Beavan, Poveda, Font, etc.
I like this deal. I like dealing position players for young pitchers anytime! I don’t believe this is a deal to then flip him for a 3B. We have plenty of two week options at 3B… Davis, Vizquel and then German.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
He was headed to the AFL for KC
I suppose this guy will fill that last AFL slot the Rangers left open. [note the article calls it a sore shoulder and not a sore arm – hmmmm]
Ah you just beat me to that AFL note…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Sep 3, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya know ...
Scheppers might not be a bad comp for DGut. Maybe the org is sending a message to Scheppers’ agent. Tora Tora Tora
Apparently he's AFL bound...
Going from this. But I like the stats. The curve sounds gorgeous.
Where does he get assigned? Bakersfield, with an eye to AA next year?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Yea, Carolina LG = High A
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Then if there's room and he
pitches well in the AFL, spring training he should be in AA the whole season. Making him repeat High-A when spots are already going to be tough to come by seems counter productive.
If the Car League is HiA then he would have to bump either Reed or Hogan off
to get on with Texas. Only two A balls guys per team. So, maybe he isn’t going to the AFL for us.
Gutierrez
Prior to the season, Gutierrez was ranked as a B- prospect by Sickels and the No. 7 prospect in the organization by Baseball America.
BA says that last year he worked 88-92 early in the year and 90-95 with sink by the end of the season. Said he has a power 12-6 curve and shows feel for a changeup. He missed all of May 2008 with a hairline fracture in his elbow, so I wonder if that has acted up again this year. His 2008 numbers are great with over 10 Ks per nine innings and a good walk rate. This year appears to have been a lost year for him, but if he is healthy, he definitely has talent.
The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin
Kind of sounds like a Juan Dominguez to me.
Highly talented arm, not so much talent in the head.
I’m really surprised the Rangers were able to trade or him with minor leaguers. I was amazed by his sudden emergence last year, and I thought he’d be knocking on KC’s door late this season. At the very least, he seems like the type of guy a GM can use to round out a trade package for a bigger piece.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Wow, very interesting talent for talent deal
Gutierrez is regarded as having a lot of upside. I think I like the deal. I makes some sense for KC, who can really use decent position players, and in about a year or two, all Texas will likely be able to do with these two guys is this. If you can get an arm like that, might as well do it now.
How does Gutierrez compare to Moscoso?
What did people think of Moscoso when the Rangers acquired him?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Gutierrez is a higher profile prospect who is considered to have substantially higher upside than Moscoso at the time. He actually reminds me of Armando Galarraga a bit. He was a similar level prospect, similarly ranked in a midlevel system, and he was a good stuff guy about whom there were questions on whether he was strong enough physically to start. Galarraga had battled injuries and had broken out in High A with his fastball/slider combination. He was neither able to stay healthy nor develop a reliable changeup while with the Rangers. Gutierrerz has a fastball/curveball combo that has the potential to be legitimate major league caliber, but he has to show more durability and develop his changeup (at least as of last winter, don’t know how the change has come along in his short amount of time on the mound this year) to be a starter. He seems like an interesting relief prospect, though, even if he can’t do those things, like Galarraga did.
by Brett Perryman on Sep 4, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Gutierrez's change
Jamey’s writeup, going by the split stats, was encouraging on the changeup speculation.
But yeah, durability remains a question mark.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Sep 5, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
it’s just that it’s pure speculation and deduction over a small amount of innings, so who knows.
by Brett Perryman on Sep 6, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So what'd the Royals get in the deal?
Rangers got a great pitcher. Idiot off the field. Has a problem with authority. But a stud on the mound.
What is Smith and Pina?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Pina's rep is pretty much an all-D, no hit catcher
Although he had a nice start to this season offensively in AA before his insane BABIP normalized and he dropped off.
As for Tim Smith, you can find a couple pretty good takes on him here.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by LSJ on Sep 4, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Smith
has a bit of sleeper in him, could be a good player if he keeps developing this way.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Smith
I agree, though I don’t know that he will turn into a starting corner outfielder on an MLB team unless he develops more power.
But I could see him becoming a good 4th outfielder.
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