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Commoditizing Your Nachos: A Brief Look at Complements and the Baseball Experience

If my suggestion doesn't work, I've got another one: Cito Gaston mustache rides, $.05. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

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There have been a number of suggestions about increasing ballpark attendance, including "field a winning baseball team" and "move the team to downtown Dallas."

I'd been thinking about possible alternatives, and you can read my thoughts below the jump.

Star-divide

You know, the Laffer Curve gets a lot of hate, but I don't think it's really such a controversial proposition.  At a 0% tax rate, revenues are $0, and at a 100% tax rate, revenues would be approaching $0.  There would be an optimal rate between the two which would maximize revenues.  If you're to the high side of that optimum, decreasing tax rates would increase tax revenues, as happened with the Kennedy tax cuts in the 60's.  But this is something we see in market economics, too, since as the price of a product increases, demand will go down, so we can see how a similar curve could be described for revenues on a product as the price goes up.

Concessions are an interesting area of ballpark economics to me.  When I was 16, I worked at a movie theater.  The very first thing you learn about the movie theater business is that your managers want you hawking concessions, and upselling concessions, at every possible opportunity.  When working behind the concession counter, you are trained to start the popcorn poppers at a specific time, about 15 minutes before the first movie started in a group of movie times.  You would place a product called Savor-All in the popper, which was a MSG salting product.  You would try to upsell the popcorn and/or drinks.  You would suggest complements to whatever product the person was buying.  And, as most people know, the reason for this is because movie theaters make next to nothing on ticket sales.  They have to make their money on the popcorn and candy and drinks, so you have to pay $5.00 for a hotdog and $4.00 for a drink to keep the theater owners in silk pajamas.

But what of the ballpark experience?  Buying a ticket to a ballgame has many complements, i.e., products that you generally buy along with the ticket, either because you have to or it enhances the experience for you.  Parking, hotdogs, beer, a coke, some cotton candy.  To a greater or lesser degree, all those things are complements of the ballpark experience.  But, so far as I know, MLB team owners don't face the same constraints on concession sales as movie theater owners.  That is, Tom Hicks isn't buying a product from a distributor to sell to the public that he is contractually obligated to make a nominal profit on, he owns the entire production.  Looking at the ticket prices and attendance on the year, an average ticket sold of $25.00 would result in $51,425,000 on a team payroll of $67,000,000.

Generally speaking, as the price of a complement of a product goes down, the demand for the product goes up.  I read an interesting post a while back about how this concept is used in the technology sector.

"When IBM designed the PC architecture, they used off-the-shelf parts instead of custom parts, and they carefully documented the interfaces between the parts in the (revolutionary) IBM-PC Technical Reference Manual. Why? So that other manufacturers could join the party. As long as you match the interface, you can be used in PCs. IBM's goal was to commoditize the add-in market, which is a complement of the PC market, and they did this quite successfully. Within a short time scrillions of companies sprung up offering memory cards, hard drives, graphics cards, printers, etc. Cheap add-ins meant more demand for PCs.

When IBM licensed the operating system PC-DOS from Microsoft, Microsoft was very careful not to sell an exclusive license. This made it possible for Microsoft to license the same thing to Compaq and the other hundreds of OEMs who had legally cloned the IBM PC using IBM's own documentation. Microsoft's goal was to commoditize the PC market. Very soon the PC itself was basically a commodity, with ever decreasing prices, consistently increasing power, and fierce margins that make it extremely hard to make a profit. The low prices, of course, increase demand. Increased demand for PCs meant increased demand for their complement, MS-DOS. All else being equal, the greater the demand for a product, the more money it makes for you. And that's why Bill Gates can buy Sweden and you can't."

The beauty of owning a major league baseball team is that you own a product with no direct equivalents, and likewise own the vendors of all the complements.  The problem, though, is that I think owners have a tendency to price their complements on the high side of the curve, decreasing the demand for their core product.  Just because the Texas Rangers have no direct equivalents does not mean that the principle of substitution does not apply.  If you and your girlfriend have the choice of spending $10 apiece on tickets and $5 apiece on drinks, you might just elect to do it at your air conditioned local movie theater and not at hot as Jessica Alba's ass Ballpark in Arlington, especially considering you can park less than 100 feet from the movie theater door and get there in less than 20 minutes.  So, it would seem that a wise plan would commoditize all of the complements to the ballpark experience except the tickets, which would be your core product.

Average attendance at RBiA was 26,372 in 2009.  Average attendance on Tuesdays was 21,348, Wednesdays was 30,615, and Thursdays was 21,668.  Why the big spike in attendance on Wednesday nights?  Well, Wednesday is dollar hot dog night.  And it's popular.


As could be expected, average attendance for Wednesday night is almost half again the average attendance for Tuesday and Thursday night games.  A whopping 0% of the Tuesday and Thursday games were above the season's average attendance.  So lowering the price of a complement (hot dogs) obviously increases demand for the core product.  There are a lot of variables to consider in this equation, since we don't know the fixed costs associated with running the concessions, and I don't know the specific marginal value of a dollar of concession sales vs. a dollar of ticket sales.  But instinct would tell you that the marginal value of a dollar of ticket sales is greater, because it's the only obligatory expense if you're going to the ballpark, and, in addition, larger attendance numbers garner attention in the league, among knuckleheads like Josey Wales, in the metroplex fan base, and, apparently, with Ian Kinsler's pop-up hitting, Bob-Sturm-complaining ass. 

Let's say that you started steeply discounting concessions on Tuesday - Thursday nights.  How much of a rise in ticket sales do you think would be needed to offset the loss in concession profits?  And, let's say you sell sponsorship of discounted food night ("Welcome to Low Cost Munchies Night at the Ballpark, brought to you by Josey Wales Brand Tampons"), where would that put the price point?  Obviously, the Rangers are experimenting with a similar concept with the all-you-can-eat-seats, and I hope it's something they expand.  

I'll close with something else to illustrate the idea of complements.  Google's primary revenue source is web advertising.  Anything they can do to lower the cost of web browsing will translate to increased ad revenues for them.  As netbooks have become more common, the license for the operating system has become a larger and larger share of the total cost of a web-capable machine.  So what is Google doing?  They're releasing Google Chrome, thereby commoditizing a cost barrier to extremely cheap web-capable computers.  Whence Google Chrome, whither ballpark nachos?

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the Texas Rangers should hire lots of stripers and have them in places a round the baseball parke in Arlington would be more popular thann hot dogs

by RonSpellman on Sep 30, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How would nurses help the bottom line?

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Sep 30, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahem.

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by RachelB on Sep 30, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's making a joke about the OP saying 'stripers' insteda of 'stripPers'

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Sep 30, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would depend on the strippers

by blakethegr8 on Sep 30, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've long thought that weekday games in the summer

should have the corners of the upper deck filled with school kids. Hell, give the tickets away for free to kids for making good grades or whatever.

McDonald’s learned that if you have kids motivated to consume a product, the parents will often follow along. Just like kids scream for McDonalds so they get a free toy and play on the playground, and the parents follow along and buy a shitty meal for the rest of the family to appease the young ones. Similarly, give free weekday tickets to the kids and emphasize kid-centric give-aways. I can’t think of much stronger motivation for Dad to pack up the car and head to the game (and pay for his own ticket, and parking, and concessions for the whole family) than a kid pleading to get to go to the game with his free ticket to claim his free kid-widget at the gate. And as a side benefit of this type marketing, you have tons of kids that coming to games, and hopefully out of that group, you develop some loyal LSB-type fans that will stick with the club throughout their lifetime.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've often thought that too.

I really see no reason not to do that. In San Diego, two or three sections of the top bowl often are typically filled with Marines and Navy guys. They leave after 7 innings or so, but given that they aren’t going to sell any of those seats anyway, there is zero cost and a whole lot of goodwill earned by doing that.

Kids 14 & under get in free on Tuesdays through Thursdays wouldn’t double revenues, but in ten years those more of those kids will be fans and buying tickets than they are now.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get it,

but this team is allready marketed like a Chuck E Cheese restraunt.

by ncrangerfan on Sep 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That definitely makes sense to me.

I know my nephews and nieces “took” me out to a ballgame this summer in Houston with free tickets to the game they got for making good grades. Of course, Uncle Dan had to drive them, pay parking, feed them, and get them Lemon chills, but they “bought” the tickets :)

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points except one

Mickey D’s does not sell shitty meals.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reminds me

of half the posts in the new music thread.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Sep 30, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least

the Mickey D burgers are better than the ballpark burgers :)

Not that that is a high bar.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had em twice

once it was raw in the middle, the other time it was burnt. Not willing to try it a third time.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this time it will be just right...

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 30, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Sep 30, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't think

the pricing is the problem with the ballpark food. In some areas, it could be dropped. However, I see other stadiums with high prices for food, and they have longer lines.

The difference?

Rangers have the generic swill that you get when you sign a sportserv or Aramark or Araserv to get your concessions. Other stadiums have a more sophisticated sourcing technique. They have The Stinking Rose (A SF restaurant) doing Garlic Fries in SWBELL or PACBELL or whatever the Bell its called these days. They have Rubio’s Fish Tacos in San Diego. Primante’s Sandwiches in Pittsburgh.

I have no idea why they don’t have Joe T Garcia Nachos or Campisi’s Pizza or Angelos Barbecue. If you don’t like those two examples, use any other of the great Dallas/Fort Worth Restaurants instead.

If they gave perceived value for the dollars, they might get some takers. However, Sportservice or Araservs hot dogs aren’t fundamentally better than what you get at 7-11, and they are a whole lot more expensive.

I think going upscale, in the Rangers situation, is a whole lot better than going commodity.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this totally

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think going upscale would help in the Rangers' situation.

If you were already selling a shitload of tickets, it might help. In this situation, though I don’t think it would.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well I don't think upscale is the right word

I think bringing local, recognized food in instead of generic stuff would help sales. I guess that’s considered “upscale”..I dunno.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the goal of Ben’s approach is to lure more ticket buyers through reduced cost concessions. Cahill’s approach would likely lure more concession dollars out of the crowd, while probably not affecting the number of ticket buyers.

If I’m at a game, I’d much rather spend $10 on some real Joe T Garcia nachos, as opposed to those neon cheese things they sell now, but I probably would never buy a ticket to the game just to have that opportunity.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the thing, though...

Having a commoditized segment of your concession sales, particularly on nights where there’s low attendance, does not preclude also offering Joe T’s or something similar to that market.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure

Both of those angles could (and should) be worked simultaneously. You both bring up good points that would seem to positively affect the bottom line.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

Even the places with a few “upper scale” offerings also have the generic crap. You could probably do both.

I still think the thing that really would put butts in seats in D/FW is winning, and having a reputation as a winning organization.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this idea.

Set up some restaurants inside the place that people can actually sit down and watch the game on T.V.‘s or something, kinda like a sports bar type atmosphere, keep the regular ballpark food type stuff spread throughout the stadium, maybe add in a few specialty stands like a Whataburger/McDonalds/Jack in The Box/Dairy Queen/Braums/Whatever, put up some more stands that have nothing but a huge draft beer selection. And run different specials on different days. There are all kinds of things they could do with the concessions that aren’t being done.

Ron Washington is a tactical imbecile.

by txhc on Sep 30, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had this once
Set up some restaurants inside the place that people can actually sit down and watch the game on T.V.‘s or something, kinda like a sports bar type atmosphere

With that TGI Fridays and it bombed. That’s not gonna happen again.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 1, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that.

You would think something like that would be an attractive option for people that wanted to go out to eat before/after the game. I know I hear people bitch about that all the time. I wonder why it bombed, prices too high maybe? I was too young to know exactly why it didn’t work out.

Ron Washington is a tactical imbecile.

by txhc on Oct 1, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It bombed

because it only did well the 81 days the Rangers had a game. If you went up there on a Friday night during the winter it’d be dead. It’s not a viable option until there’s more stuff immediately around the ballpark.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 1, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

obviously the Joe T’s alone won’t get you to the game, otherwise you’d just go to Joe T’s, and get even better nachos for cheaper.

But it isn’t about that. It is about standing out from the other competition. What does a Tuesday night Rangers game compete against? Movies? American Idol or some other stupid reality show on TV? By providing at least some nice options, the Rangers would be able to make the argument that a night at the ballpark is a nice experience from top to bottom. The competition is fast food + sitting in front of a tv. By providing food at least at fast food quality (not the generic prison quality you get there now), you can start tilting people’s decisions.

And as Ben said, they shouldn’t care about their margins on the food as much.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best upscale food I have ever had at a ballpark

are the crab cake sandwiches in Baltimore. Wanna say that sandwich (with big fries) cost me around $ 11 in 2004.

Baltimore has a shitty team and have lost for years plus their attendance is so-so.

I like the idea of having something upscale at the ballpark but it’s not going to be a draw for me.

Drinking three cups of coffee and then blowing out the American Standard the morning after an evening of those nachos covered with “liquid cheese” and glass jalapenos is as much of a tradition as singing “Take Me Out to the Ball Game” as far as I’m concerned.

Just sayin.

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by Josey Wales on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

That was pretty funny JW.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Camden Yards

First of the new breed of stadiums. Lot’s of places to get good food and beers. Prior to the game, Eutaw street which is inside the stadium gates has awesome concessions. Inside, in a hidden corner is a great place to get fresh made pretzels.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never eat at Camden

Too many awesome crabhouses just a few miles away.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Sep 30, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The Inner Harbor has some great food. But if you are driving up to Baltimore from DC Area, you often don’t have time for those.

We used to go the Wharf Rat a lot, mostly for the beer. The food was typical bar food.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't have to be upscale

just unique. Old Yankee Stadium I had some manicotti from an Italian booth where they were baking it on the spot. It was 10 times better than anything at the Ballpark and it only cost 6 bucks. I would eat that everytime I went to a Yankees game if I lived up there. Rangers game food sucks so we usually eat Taco Bueno or something before we even get there.

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Hello Win Column!!!

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Sep 30, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most ballparks

have some decent non-commodity food options. The Rangers are still stuck in the mid-70s mindset of selling cheap to make, poor quality food at high prices. They are part of a vanishing breed out there.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their food does suck

+Kroger (etc) fried chicken meal
+Arby’s
+Taco Bell

And don’t forget to mix e few Sprites bofore you leave the house ;)

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Sep 30, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Improving the ballpark experience

sells tickets.

Having cheap $1 dog nights helps, but one of the reasons it helps is it moves folks who otherwise might come on Tuesday and Thursday to Wednesday. If those 3 nights are basicly the same, but there is a small incentive to go wednesday, then thats what folks will do. If all 3 nights are $1 dog nights, I’m not sure you really build sales.

I think some percentage of the $1 dog night gains comes from cannibilizing other nights.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Dollar dog night isn’t truly “increasing” ticket sales overall. If you eliminated it the extra people that go on Wed would just get spread out on Tues-Thurs.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that that's the case.

We certainly don’t know enough to state definitively that that’s the case.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's probably correct too

I can see some families saying to themselves “well, we get to feed the kids for cheap so what the heck.”

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I was talking about...

demand for a product going up when the price of its complements goes down, and citing examples. There are other possibilities, but economic principles would indicate that demand for tickets goes up when the price of hot dogs goes down.

When I used to hang out with my brother Sam and his daughter Presley when she wasn’t in school, he would always be looking for something to go do that was cheap and would entertain her for a few hours. One of the things I noticed at the ballpark in Round Rock was that teenagers just went there to hang out and look at each other, not really watch the game.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dell Diamond

also has climbing walls, better Concessions than RBiA (Hooters, PokeJoes BBQ, Nolan Ryan Beef etc.), and overall a better ballpark experience than RBiA.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't RBiA have Nolan Ryan Beef now?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are some

who have a beef with Ryan there.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Sep 30, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about...

Dollar nacho tuesdays, dollar hot dog wednesdays and dollar soda thursdays?

by Inkara1 on Sep 30, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then 26K fans are too sick to come on the weekend....

just sayin’

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Sep 30, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's a good point

Really, the ultimate concern of the Rangers is to make money, regardless of whether they have 20,000 fans buying tickets + beers + hot dogs or 30,000 fans just buying tickets.

I think what having a mixed quality of food gets you is people who are going to the game anyway to make a full event out of it. I hate watching the Padres play (talk about a boring product on the field), but the food at Petco is sufficiently good that I’m willing to pay $5 for standing room only and then pay $10 for a meal at the same time.

Also, this may eliminate some of the “well, there is nothing to eat/do around the ballpark!” arguments. Who cares what there is around the ballpark if the ballpark itself provides decent food and a good beer selection. I also agree with Ben that the prices being lower would help people come to that overall conclusion- lets go to the game tonight, and we can get dinner there!

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

most teams in baseball have really improved their concession presentation, where it really makes RBiA stand out in a group with the worst in baseball. I’m amazed that it hasn’t been drug into the 21st century, and they continue to linger in the ’70s with their approach.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Sep 30, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff.

Agree.

Ron Washington is a tactical imbecile.

by txhc on Sep 30, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having a couple Whataburger stands throughout the stadium would be awesome

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by bigsteve on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I’d actually pay the stadium price for a Whataburger, and not be too upset about it. However, with the stadium prices for the generic burgers they have, I’m eating before I go to the ballpark.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They used to have Railhead BBQ at RBiA

All you could get was chopped beef sandwiches, but it was still pretty sweet.

Do they not offer that anymore?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Sep 30, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh hell yeah! That would be freakin awesome!!!!

Since I bring Whataburger to the game anyway I wouldn’t have to make another stop… :)

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by Section 339 on Sep 30, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

the only food in the place worth getting is the honey glazed nuts in left field. They are great hot but that is the only neat food in the stadium.

by bushe on Sep 30, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should we really attribute

a spike of over 9,000 fans on Wednesdays vs. Tuesdays solely to hot dogs. I don’t think you meant to do that, but it seems like there must be additional reasons for Wednesdays being that much more popular.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Sep 30, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't they also do autographs on Wednesday's?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
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by RangerMad on Sep 30, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

that if you did a regression analysis, the dollar hot dogs would come up as a primary factor in the difference in attendance.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That surprises me

I guess I’m in the minority. I can get a dozen hot dogs for that price at the grocery store, though I understand most people don’t figure things that way. I rarely buy any concessions whatsoever at the ballpark or movie theater. Actually I haven’t seen a movie in a theater in about two years so I just have no perspective on this topic.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Sep 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so

Dollar dogs are a pretty big draw, believe it or not.

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by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

my friends who are casual fans will go to a dollar hot dog night instead of just some random tuesday night game.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

same here

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

"I can hit 100 whenever I want." ---Neftali Feliz

by drizzle on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It amazes me that with all the nutritional information available today that people EVER put a hot dog in their mouth

Much less alter their plans to do so.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Sep 30, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We generally had a LOT more “fans” around us on Wednesdays. I use the term loosely because they weren’t paying any attention to the game at all.

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by lisa w on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many of those fans

are cannibalized from Tues and Thursday nights? In other words, they were going to a game that week anyway, and just picked Wed due to $ dogs.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno...

the reason I got to thinking about this was I worked for this guy named Jimmy Mulholland in the 90’s, and he had season tickets, and would occasionally give them away if he wasn’t going to the game. But he would never give away Wednesday night tickets.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, wow

To me that is just a completely unreasonable love of something as silly as a hot dog.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Sep 30, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it though

I don’t think teams would bother doing it if it wasn’t a draw.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

people are generally unreasonable.

Haven’t you seen them try to kill and maim each other over a $5 baseball that happened to be hit into the stands before?

I totally believe $1 Dogs on some nights pumps up that nights attendance. I don’t know if $1 dogs everynight would raise overall attendance though, because then $1 dogs are no longer an “event”.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

$1 hotdogs...

If I’m leaving work at 5:30 have to go pick up the kids, etc… and get to the ballpark, I am much happier buying a few $1 hotdogs rather than trying to stop by Whataburger on the way so that I don’t have to pay ballpark prices. I would definitely go on Wednesday rather than Tuesday.

by JShoe on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

p.s.

I think Dan’s cannibalization theory makes some sense in explaining at least part of the disparity.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Sep 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we had concrete data...

from the all you can eat ticket sales, it would probably give enough information to drill down and find out if it was just a concentration issue or increase in demand issue.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to think

you’d be better off having $ dog night one night a week, $ nacho night another night, and $ burger night.

Just differentiate the specials, so you can advertise them differently. You typically don’t want to drop your overall prices, you want to drop different prices different nights, and promote it.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking something similar...

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad MLB

will not let stadiums do $1 or even $2 beer nights!! That would bring in quite a rush of people for sure. Even if it could be done on a Thursday (Thirsty Thursdays) once a month. Beer sells!!

Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!

by thad728 on Sep 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could start some games at 4:20...

and let the fans bring their own “stuff”…

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by bking on Sep 30, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure it would increase

revenues from concessions.

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by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too true

lol

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Sep 30, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I would bet a shiny new penny that Fireworks Fridays attract more people to the game than on Saturdays and Sundays. I would have a gimic/promotion/incentive every night of the week. McDonalds Mondays-kids get in free with adult, provide coupons to Mickey D’s, Tasty Tuesdays $3 dollar nachos w/hot dog meal or $3 dollar burgers and fries meal, dollar hot dog Wednesdays, Thristy Thursdays $2 large soft drinks/12 oz beer, Fireworks Fridays, Ozarka Saturdays- $1 16oz driking water , BlueBell Sundays -$1 for a prepackaged cup of Blue Bell or ice cream sandwich..I would bet that we could pull in 2.5 million next year with these ideas..

by Tony10 on Sep 30, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't they already have promotions Wed-Sun?

Monday is usually an off day so I don’t know if a promotion is a good idea there. Really the only day of the week that always has a game without a promotion is Tuesday.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 30, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

half price tickets

Ozarka also had a promotion on Wed to get half price tickets. I drove up a few times from Austin on Wed nights to get half price tickets and $1 dogs. That could be a contributing factor.

by chichitao on Sep 30, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should also add...

that I didn’t include April’s attendance in the Tuesday – Thursday averages. I figured that people being balls-out enthused about baseball in opening month would skew things.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

plus...

there are still a bunch of Thurs day games and one (big) Tues day game in April

by JShoe on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is $1 hot dog night

drawing fans that would not have normally come to the game, or had there been no $1 hot dog night, those fans would have come anyway but their attendance would have been more evenly spread between Tuesdays thru Thursdays? I’m not sure how you could quantify that but it would seem that you have to take that reasoning into consideration.

"Few things go together as well as Country & Western music and crazy people" Bob Dylan

by walrus52 on Sep 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric Wedge got the axe today...

just thought I’d throw that out there.

by cmkelly29 on Sep 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a another good post

you seem to be pretty smart for a guy living in a shack on the edge of Lake Worth.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Sep 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There are a total of 4 shacks...

on the property.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beer nuts

Take a lesson from Angelo’s BBQ and every bar in the free world. Give away peanuts and other thirst-inducing salty treats. The increase in beer and coke sales will more than offset the loss on the snacks.

by 3hacks on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

how about Tom Hicks in a dunking booth...

you know the one that you throw baseballs at and if you hit the mark the person in the booth falls into the water. I say do that a few times a year at the games that you suspect would get the least amount of attendance and vuala suddenly you have a full house. The only problem is that Big Daddy may not be here next year …oh well just in case :)

HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?

by BigGuns on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Only if there are piranhas in it.

Ric Renner is a giant douche.

by txhc on Sep 30, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was a kid you were allowed to bring food in

and you still can do that here in St. Louis. Is that not the case with RBiA?

by other_shoe on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, you can't bring anything in.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you could if it fit into a kinda small cooler.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

by Ryin A on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah you can

You can take in any unopened drinks that aren’t alcoholic or metal. I’ve seen lots of families bring in outside fast food also.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not know that.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good.

As I implied below, people with real dietary issues or very strong preferences are a larger market segment than one might imagine.

by other_shoe on Sep 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I’m very careful what I eat at a stadium. MSG gives me migraines and it’s in almost all fast food. I usually go for something like fish-n-chips, which while not all that good for you, probably doesn’t have MSG.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bring in

fast food drinks all the time, too…

just no alcohol, bottles, or cans.

by JShoe on Sep 30, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the Rangers Code of Conduct

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/tex/ballpark/tex_ballpark_guide.jsp#F

No metal cans, glass containers, or alcoholic beverages may be carried into the stadium. No coolers, backpacks, or oversize bags allowed. All carry bags and purses must be 12″×12″×6″ or smaller, and may be searched by ballpark staff.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bring in food all the time

You can’t bring in metal cans or glass, but I’ve brought in fast food bags and other food.

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by lisa w on Sep 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ended up thinking about this way too much

The stadium is a sunk cost. No on shows up or a sellout, the lease payment is probably the same.

My first thought was parking but it seems that RBiA has tons of it. At other stadiums, there are lots of privately owned parking lots surrounding them. The team doesn’t get a cut of that parking so for those, I would say maximize shuttle services, etc., to get people there. But, like I said, it seems that RBiA has plenty of parking and are probably making money off of that, so shuttles wouldn’t help. Pity too, since whenver I go I end up taking a car service or taxi which is expensive as hell.

To me, go both ways with RBiA. Increase the selection and quality of high end food and beer but also lower the prices for crap food and beer. It would appeal to both the cost-concious family as well as the person looking for a nice night out. Hopefully this would increase sales of the sunk cost.

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by WyoRanger on Sep 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would...

lowering ticket prices help any? I know the Rangers have fairly low ticket prices when compared to the rest of MLB, but an unsold ticket is an empty seat which leads to no parking collected, no concessions bought, etc. I would think that the goal would be to get as many seats filled as possible and then make money on the peripherals. Not that cutting ticket prices by, say, 50% would double your attendance, but 20,000 people at $30 brings in the same amount of money as 40,000 people at $15 – but then you’ve got an extra 20,000 people to pay for parking and concessions. And again, an empty seat isn’t bringing in any money. Obviously it’s not that simple, but I would think the concept has merit. But my degree is not in economics so maybe I’m crazy.

by jmiller on Sep 30, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that is what I was getting at above

My guess is that a group of four people ends up paying as much or more for concessions/parking/programs/souvenirs as they do for the cost of the tickets.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to try pretty hard

to pay full price for a non-premium game ticket. There are tons of discounts to be had. Heck, I’m looking at an unopened Dr. Pepper can (that’s clearly been sitting on my desk for a while) good for half price tickets up to Lower Reserved/Lexus Club Terrace.

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by lisa w on Sep 30, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally

baseball teams don’t want to be discount retailers. Like lisa says, you really have to try hard to pay full price.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Sep 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing you left out which is fairly obvious

You don’t need to make back the lost money from he $ dog with increased ticket revenue. You will probably make all the lost hot dog money back, and more, with increased concessions sales on the other food and drink people buy to go with their dogs. The extra tickets revenue is a bonus. Most of the money is coming from concessions.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Even at a buck a dog

they make money anyway. Its not like they lose money on the promotion.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet they do lose money.

The overhead associated with that hot dog is probably more than a dollar. It’s a loss-leader at $1.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The overhead is the same whether its 1 dollar or 4 dollars

THe dollar hot dog they probably get at about $.05 per dog. They don’t make as much money per dog sold as opposed to regular nights but I imagine they make just as much overall based on volume sold

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 30, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overhead

Cost of materials: dog, bun, condiments, foil, napkin, etc, plus cost of power to refrigerate and cook.
Cost of labor: the guy who delivered the materials, the guy who assembled the final product, the guy who rung it up, the guy who maintains the condiment counter, etc.

All those costs go into the price of a hot dog. The cost of the labor is spread out across the costs for the other concessions handled by those employees, but some percentage of that labor needs to be accounted for in cost of the dog. And somewhere in an office at the ballpark is an accountant who knows exactly how much a hot dog costs.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

if you sell more volume, most of that overhead goes down on a per dog basis.

If you sell twice as many dogs in the same amount of time, the labor cost per dog are cut in half. You use the same amount of lights if you sell twice as many, etc.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

ON Wednesdays you don’t have the overhead of the normal hot dogs instead its replaced by the dollar hot dogs so condiments, foil, napkins, buns even, along with refrigeration and cooking are the same as normal.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 30, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without seeing the accountant's books

it’s hard to say whether they make or lose money on a $1dog by itself. My point was more that they don’t needto make money on the $1 dog because they more than make up for it in cokes and other concessions that those extra 9000 fans buy go with the dogs. They do not need the ticket revenues break even (assuming the dogs are a loss leader, which is may or may not be true).

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Sep 30, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Youre right in that they dont do the promotion to make money off the dogs

But they don’t lose money on them either. Those hot dogs are the cheap ones that when bought in bulk probably cost less than a nickel per dog. I imagine they probably make about a quarter per hot dog sold but you are right the increase in cokes and other concessions along with increased tickets sales are the real money maker on those nights

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 30, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is such a thing as over-discounting

I agree with Cahill about cannibalizing different nights. Dollar hot dog night is unique, and it stands out. If you were to have similar deals on Tuesday and Thursday, the first thing that would happen is the Wednesday attendance would go down, and the Tuesday and Thursday attendance would go up marginally — but only enough to average what the attendance was in the first place for all three nights.

I used to work at a restaurant that got real gimmicky on weeknights, so they had a special deal every night. There was this couple that used to come in on half-price wine night every Tuesday, that is until we started a buy one get one free entree deal on Wednesday. They apparently valued the free entree more than the half-price wine. We only saw them on Wednesdays after that.

I think people only have a certain amount money in their entertainment budget, and they’re not going to increase that budget because of a great deal on nachos and hot dogs on different nights.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Sep 30, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty bold statement there.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 30, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd still

be happy to ram her into the sheetrock.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Sep 30, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now there's a way to boost attendance at the ballpark...

Ram Jessica Alba Night.

Might want to get there early though.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 30, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be waiting in line starting now

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Sep 30, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holland vs Price

http://www.minorleagueball.com/

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Sep 30, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Holland still has two years...

to catch up to where Price is.

And he’s a Ranger.

Holland.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Sep 30, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All he has is a fastball

His “great slider” sucks ass

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Sep 30, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

read a more detailed description here.

Holland is showing better command and is a couple years younger.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Sep 30, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answer?

M-Thur games…..1 dollar draft beer.

Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."

by Section 339 on Sep 30, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Free Beer Night

Tomorrow

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Sep 30, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Thinking

This was well though made me think a bit

by sportsfan900 on Sep 30, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hah

I had to read this far to know that this was a Ben post:

Commoditizing Your Nachos

by Brett Perryman on Sep 30, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perez vs. Strasburg

It may be posted on here already but if not..

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/9/30/1062727/martin-perez-or-stephen-straburg

HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?

by BigGuns on Sep 30, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking quite a bit on your piece, Ben, when I was walking through the Food and Wine festival in Epcot today.

And it hit me then that it’s the same sort of thing Disney World is doing to try and keep people coming in to the parks lately. They offer free Dining Plans if you come to the parks for long enough and stay in the resorts on property, basically giving you plenty of food and snacks (in the nice restaurants, too) in order to keep you out of the other places in Orlando and keep you to themselves.

And it’s working really, really well.

by philkid3 on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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