Saturday morning Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 9:11 AM CDT
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The Rangers are 18 games over .500 for the first time since the 2004 season. They haven't been 19 games over .500 since 1999. This has been a pretty positive year.
Scott Feldman had another solid game yesterday, and Jeff Wilson's game story suggests that the biggest move (or non-move, depending on how you look at it) of the season may have been to leave Feldman in the rotation when Kris Benson, who Feldman had replaced in the rotation when Benson went to the d.l., was activated.
Putting Feldman in the bullpen in the first place was a dumb decision, a panic move based on fears in spring training that the bullpen was a mess and the decision that, well, maybe Benson wouldn't be terrible in the rotation. I killed the Rangers for about a month or so over that decision, something that I feel compelled to bring up fairly often because of the recent complaints that I'm anti-Feldman and refuse to give him credit because I didn't think he'd be good.
And I mention this because I figure I'm about to upset some folks again with what will be perceived as "criticism" of Feldman. Evan Grant's game story suggests that Feldman should be in the mix for the Cy Young Award, something that I've seen suggested elsewhere. But just like Kevin Millwood wasn't a legit Cy Young candidate earlier in the year, Feldman isn't now.
Feldman isn't in the top 10 in ERA (Millwood, in fact, is 10th, a skosh ahead of Feldman). He's 10th in ERA+. He's nowhere near the leaders in innings pitched, in part because he started the season in the bullpen, in part because he doesn't work deep into games.
If we look at some of the higher-level stats, he's 12th in the A.L. in VORP (Millwood is 11th). He's 18th in WAR, behind guys like Dallas Braden and Carl Pavano. He's 21st in FIP.
Scott Feldman has had a very good year. He's been one of the best 10-20 starting pitchers in the A.L. this year. But the only real case he has for winning the Cy Young Award is that he's got 15 wins for a playoff contender. Zack Greinke and, maybe, King Felix are the guys who should be in the mix to win, and there are a half-dozen others who should be getting third place votes. Neither Feldman nor Millwood should be in that group.
Moving on...
Willie Eyre is a major leaguer again, having been recalled yesterday by the Rangers.
Brandon McCarthy is back in the rotation, replacing Dustin Nippert, and Josh Hamilton hopes to travel to Baltimore today after getting an injection in his back.
Nelson Cruz gets some praise from Jeff Wilson, albeit without some criticism from the manager about his run-producing:
"He’s still not the guy he’s capable of being," Washington said. "As strong as he is, if you keep giving him at-bats, he’ll run into 30 home runs. Now we’ve got to get those 30 bombs and transfer them into 100 RBI. Then, you’ve arrived."
Nelson Cruz is hitting .290/.398/.495 with runners in scoring position. He just has had a lot fewer opportunities with men on base this year than some of his teammates, in part because of the time missed with injury, in part because of the OBP failings of the guys in front of him, in part because he's hit in the bottom of the lineup much of the year, and in part because of the random benchings that Washington has imposed.
I can't believe I'm sitting here reading about reading complaints from the Ranger manager that the team's best hitter this year -- who has performed with runners on base -- doesn't have enough RBIs.
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It is amazing how much Wash and Rudy hate Cruz.
Without Cruz this year who knows where we would be.
by De Peche Ranger on Sep 5, 2009 9:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Feldman
On this team, with that cutter (the most valuable cutter in baseball by a good margin) and this defense he’s a good #2 starter. Without the defense he doesn’t look quite as good but this is a very good situation for both Feldman and the team.
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by t ball on Sep 5, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ron
go fuck yourself.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont give a weenis about the CY
As long as SKooter continues to light up fools and smoke chumps on the mound. Just win, baby.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Sep 5, 2009 9:19 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yet Marlon bryd can do no wrong. If bryd walks this off season I’m not sure wash is going to be able to handle it.
by De Peche Ranger on Sep 5, 2009 9:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Watching Feliz
is like the Hamilton HR derby every time he pitches.
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by t ball on Sep 5, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me Ron?
How about you bat him 3rd or 4th EVERYDAY? That might help.
Straight up stupidity right there.
by behindthebag on Sep 5, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey AJM-
First, thanks for getting the morning links up earlier the past two days. I’m one of the ones who bitched about you putting them up so late, so I wanted to make sure I gave credit, too.
Second, (for everyone) let’s say the Rangers are trading some prospects plus one of their starters for a No.1-type pitcher. How would you rank your willingness to give up the starters?
My order is probably Feldman, Hunter, Millwood (draft picks play a role), Holland. So, as much as I like what he’s done this year, I don’t know that I overvalue him…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 5, 2009 9:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
OMG...OMG...OMG...
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
???...???...???
…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Sep 5, 2009 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You would rather trade Derek Holland
before Kevin fucking Millwood????????????????
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are reading it backwards
He’s saying Holland is the one he’s least willing to give up.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Sorry GhettoBear04 I’m a dumbass…
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Sep 5, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much do you think Cruz + Feldman could get back?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain?
Lincecum???? tehe
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Sep 5, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't laugh
I think that deal makes sense from the Giants perspective. It doesn’t for Texas because they need a bat in return, they have no bats, and probably that would tip the trade too much in the Rangers’ favor even if they did have a bat to give.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you get a true ace for that
You could probably get a James Shields type or something like that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 5, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how Feldman is perceived by other teams.
I bet people think more highly of him than some think.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem with Feldman and Cruz is
that no team values them at the level they’ve performed at this year with the potential to be even better. There is still a question mark with both of them, and they aren’t particularly young despite their inexperience at their roles. I just don’t see the team upgrading much at the SP position to be worth losing Cruz.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 5, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say Feldman is "old"
Hes only 26 and at this rate he will be a FA at 29, a year younger than Sheets was last year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 5, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be 27 for next season when a team would trade for him
and most people don’t look at a 27 year old and predict that he’ll get significantly better than the year before. He’s not old, but its not the same as if he was right there with the other young Ranger pitchers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 5, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes only been a starter for less than 2 years
With a completely different arm slot than hes had as a professional. I think its very plausible to expect him to continue developing and get a little better.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 5, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As do I
I just don’t think other teams will value him with that in mind.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 5, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would other teams not take that into consideration
We are just little bloggers and we can see this. I would imagine professional baseball people would be able to see it also
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz I understand.
…and really I’m not sure how much better he’ll get. Feldman, on the other hand, probably does have some room to grow. He won’t be 27 until late this coming winter so he has the time to do so, too. And I think most teams are familiar with the fact that he never started a game professionally until last season, had all those huge changes in his delivery, etc. And they’ve seen him shut their asses down.
I think one thing that may be overlooked with Feldman is his mental fortitude. He may physically tire, but the guy is unflappable out there. He’s also very coachable, obviously, with all the changes that have been made and the success that he’s had.
I’d prefer to keep both of them, too. Would be interested to know what other front offices think, but if it were me I wouldn’t be putting either on the market. There’s really no reason to. Both are good and both are cheap.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that James Shields...
…has more value than Feldman right now.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
If you trade Feldman + Cruz (I wouldn’t, but that idea is what started this discussion), I think you’d need to get the type of guy that doesn’t usually get traded. Someone like Josh Johnson or Yovanni Gallardo. Not James Shields.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for Cruz and Feldman ?
Love the idea of Nolasco pitching here, but not sure I’d give up both those guys for him.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like someone better too
I just don’t know if we are going to be able to get someone better. The only possibility is to go for a more unproven guy where we risk a signficant downgrade in SP
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 5, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Shields though?...seriously?
I wouldnt trade either cruz or feldman for him straight up
Fuck Mike Estabrook
by Horns130 on Sep 5, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an example of a proven number 2 pitcher
I think Shields is the kind of pitcher we could get. Not saying him specifically, but he’s now got 3 seasons under his belt with a 120 ERA+ over 616.1 IP. I don’t think we could expect to get anything much better than that for Cruz and Feldman.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Sep 5, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't trade Feldman until
we he actually nears his potential. The guy has kept improving from year to year, and if his pitches continue to improve he has the potential to be nasty. Until we find out if he reaches that point, it would be foolish to trade him.
by MikeEl on Sep 5, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Feldman
may not be the Cy Young Award winner this year but his ball is on the green.
Game Scores make people in here tense because I brought it to the table but Scott Feldman has Game Scores of 50+ in 19 of his 25 starts which is 76%. He’s also 11-1 on the road with a 2.80 ERA.
ZGreinke who probably is the best pitcher in the AL this year has Game Scores of 50+ in 23 of 27 starts (85%).
Halladay is 20 of 27 (74%).
King Felix is 22 of 28 (78.5%).
Millwood, who is barely hanging on these days, sits at 18 for 26 (69%).
I’d say Feldman is far better than Millwood not to mention bleeping DBraden & CPavano (are you fucking serious?!!?) and probably one of the top 5 starting pitchers in the AL this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We were well aware of game scores
before you talked about them. The reason no one talked about them here before you did is that they have a very limited utility and really aren’t worth talking about much. But, hey, congrats anyway on your extremely small accomplishment.
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by t ball on Sep 5, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't make anybody tense
It’s just that nobody cares.
by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Scores don't make anyone tense
It is just that using a percentage of Game Scores better than 50 is a foolish way of evaluating who the best starting pitcher is.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I’d say Feldman is far better than Millwood not to mention bleeping DBraden & CPavano (are you fucking serious?!!?) and probably one of the top 5 starting pitchers in the AL this year.
One of the top 5?
King Felix
Greinke
Verlander
Halladay
Jackson
Tell him how you can argue that one of those 5 — who have better ERAs, ERA+s, and more innings — should be behind Feldman.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman is quite handicapped by pitching half of his games
in Arlington.
He doesn’t get to pitch half of his games in Detroit, KC or Seattle.
Giving your team a chance to win is probably the most important job of any starting pitcher and Feldman has been one of the best this year and is head and shoulders the ace of the Texas Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ERA+ takes into account park effects
So the fact that Feldman pitches half his games at TBIA isn’t an excuse for him to be significant behind those other guys.
Meanwhile, Feldman has had a better defense behind him than those other guys.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like
You’re making a normative argument that he shouldn’t win because he’s not the best pitcher, but you’re not taking into account that the best pitcher doesn’t always win.
by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ajm
You’re totally disregarding one of the most important jobs every starting pitcher has…give your team a chance to win the game.
Feldman has done a very good job at that this year and isn’t staggering to the finish line like Millwood is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
You think he’s done a better job of giving his team a chance to win than King Felix has? Or Edwin Jackson? Or Justin Verlander?
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can look up what Jackson & Verlander have done but
but he’s just a tick below King Felix.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's not
King Feliz has been head-and-shoulders better than Feldman this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the criteria used for evaluation.
Game Scores are very important if you care how much a pitcher helps your team win and Feldman is just a notch below King Felix in this regard.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Scores don't mean shit
Bill James doesn’t even list them on his website. He’s moved past them. (Unless you want to argue that they are so important and proprietary than he doesn’t want to share them with even his pay subscribers).
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Scores are both listed
in bseballreference.com and ESPN.
I’d also venture that the top 5 starting pitchers every year (including those that win the Cy Young) have the best ratio of Game Scores of 50+ every year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of things are listed on B-R.
What’s your point? That RBIs and errors are truly informative stats?
And lolespn
by philkid3 on Sep 5, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
philkid
The award is not given because one pitching stat means more than the other – a blend of stats is used as part of the evaluation.
The fact that almost all Cy Young winners (who are starting pitchers) are also amongst the leaders in ratios of 50+ Game Scores isn’t coincidental.
It is not THE end-all way to evaluate who the best starting pitchers are every year but it’s one of them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errors are a truly informative stat, dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What criteria do you base the best starting pitchers, philkid?
For the record, I don’t use Cy Young voters as my gauge if that is what you interpreted.
And errors are an informative stat, dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked both up
Verlander 21 of 29 (72%).
Jackson is 16 of 27 (59%)
Yes, Feldman has done a better job at giving his team a chance to win than both Verlander & Jackson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win Shares
Win Shares are usually your go-to stat, so I’m going to use that…
Feldman — 13.38
Verlander — 17.82
Jackson — 15.91
Greinke — 22.17
King Felix — 20.28
Halladay — 16.45
Sabathia — 15.58
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On starting pitchers, I like
to use Game Scores.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a question about this?
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by t ball on Sep 5, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's actually not an idiot
I think he is very baseball-savvy, and he’s a gifted writer. He missed his calling…he should have been doing agitprop for the Soviet Union back during the Cold War. He is incredibly talented in the way he chooses words for maximum impact, and in using phrases that suggest or imply certain things without coming right out and saying them, so he can say, “I never said that, you guys are just paranoid” when he gets a reaction.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
He’s a gifted writer?
You must be a bad judge of writing.
by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, bg
he got that part right.
I’m a truly gifted writer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ajm is not the first to say it.
Live with it, bg. I’m a much better writer than you are.
Now go hit the books, poindexter.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Well I guess you’ve lived 60 or 70 years with that belief. Hard to break it now, I suppose.
Could you link me to some of your publications? I’d honestly be willing to give those a chance.
by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother, bg
maggots such as yourself don’t like my style of writing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gifted propagandist, yes
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by t ball on Sep 5, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the one lumping Feldman
in with Millwood when Feldman is clearly superior.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be true
if Scooter were a FB pitcher but he is not. In fact he is 7th in the AL in HR% and 9th in GB/FB. So Arlington has had little effect on him this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's simply wrong
The idea that TBIA only impacts pitchers who are flyball pitchers is false.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is not what I am trying to say
If Scooter had pitched half his games ina pitcher park this year I don’t think it would have made much of a difference in his results.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect it would have
Hitter’s parks vs. pitcher’s parks aren’t just about whether there are more home runs. It is about the hitter’s eye, the lighting, how easy it is to pick up the ball, the size of the foul territory.
Groundball pitchers are going to get advantages from pitching in pitcher’s parks.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are giving too much credit
to the items you list above.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The alternative is...
…to assume that the difference between hitter’s parks and pitcher’s parks is almost entirely due to home runs, which isn’t borne out by the evidence.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
all those starts he had with the light colored glove…
by MikeEl on Sep 5, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's quite a drop off between Verlander and Jackson. I'd have
Cliff Lee, John Lester, and CC ahead of Jackson.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Sep 5, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's not unreasonable
And I think those guys have been better than Feldman, as well.
But that doesn’t mean that Feldman sucks. Feldman has been terrific this year. He’s just not one of the 10 best pitchers in the A.L. this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I don't understand this whole thread.
The trouble is that the Rangers fans have not seen a good pitcher for soooo long that Feldman looks like an Ace. Someone mentioned Jeff Suppan in another thread. That seems about right.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Sep 5, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if
over the final month, Feldman has carbon copies of his previous two starts, giving up 1 or 0 runs, and pitching into the 6th inning, and goes 5-0 to reach 20 games and help carry the Rangers to the playoffs? Does this move him up the ladder to contention for the CY?
by MikeEl on Sep 5, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it does MikeEl
A 20-4 record with an ERA below 3.50 on one of the best teams in the AL is a dog that will hunt for a Cy Young.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Into the 6th?
That’s not impressive, 5+ innings, but sure if he gives up 1 or 0 runs in his remaining starts, win or lose, that’s great.
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by t ball on Sep 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey
I’d be interested if you did a Wilcoxon non-parametric t-test on the different game scores of these guys (or a Mann-Whitney, allowing you to compare them all at once). In other words, are any of these pitchers significantly more likely to have a higher Game Score than the other guys?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 5, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and fwiw
I like game scores (and other game-based analyses), and I do think that they can be a useful number to look at pitchers, but as with all baseball stats they aren’t sufficient on their own and need to be interpreted correctly
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Sep 5, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wash is an idiot
that is a slap in the face to cruz to say that he “ran into” 30 homers.
discredits all the work cruz has done over the years to become a better player
i guess you “ran into” a team that is 18 games over .500 wash
by dustinvandeman on Sep 5, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ron Washington
is not a smart man or at least doesn’t understand the mathematics of baseball.
Saying Cruz needs to transfer those 30 HR s into 100 RBI?
Let’s move Marlon Byrd’s ass out of clean-up (where he has 67 RBI) and substitute Cruz (who has 70 RBI while hitting substantially lower in the order), dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why hasnt josh hamilton run into 30 hrs?
cuz apperantly hitters just run into home runs when they get at-bats
by CY Feliz on Sep 5, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ron, take a look at this
…………………………………..PA………AB/RBI
Nelson.Cruz………………….436……….5.5
Ian.Kinsler…………………….531………6.0
Andruw.Jones………………298………6.2
*Josh.Hamilton………………355……….6.7
Marlon.Byrd………………….499……….6.8
*Chris.Davis………………….318………6.8
*Hank.Blalock………………..439………7.1
League.Average…………………………7.5
Michael.Young………………572………7.8
#Jarrod.Saltalamacchia……307……..8.2
*David.Murphy………………377……….8.6
Elvis.Andrus…………………425………13.0
Team.Total…………………5084………..7.4
AL Rk……………………..AB/RBI.5
1…………..Jason.Bay……4.6
2………..Torii.Hunter……4.7
3………..Carlos.Pena……4.7
4………….Jim.Thome……4.7
5………Alex.Rodriguez……4.8
6…….Justin.Morneau……4.9
7……..Kendry.Morales……5.0
8……….Evan.Longoria……5.1
9………Hideki.Matsui……5.1
10……..Mark.Teixeira……5.1
11……..Kevin.Youkilis……5.1
12……….Jason.Kubel……5.3
13…………Joe.Mauer……5.3
14……….Bobby.Abreu……5.5
15………..Nelson.Cruz……5.5
16…………Adam.Lind……5.5
17……Russell.Branyan……5.7
18………..Mike.Lowell……5.7
19…..Victor.Martinez……5.7
20………..Juan.Rivera……5.7
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nelson Cruz has had 257 runners on base when he has come to the plate
and knocked in 70 of them.
Marlon Byrd has had 319 runners on base when he has come to the plate and knocked in 67 of them.
Why the fuck does nobody in the Ranger FO know this and how is this team 76-58 with this dipshit as the manager?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton
234 runners on base, 49 RBI
St.Michael Young – 312 runners on base / 67 RBI
CDavis – 212 runners on base / 42 RBI
Murphy – 232 runners on base / 38 RBI
Hank F – 284 runners on base/ 58 RBI
Ian Kinsler – 236 runners on base / 78 RBI
Old School Brutha needs to STFU and then put Kinsler in the 3 hole and Cruz at clean-up until he proves he can’t handle it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Look at the difference between Murphy & KInsler!!
Essentially the same number of runners on base for both yet Kinsler has knocked in more than twice as many yet Murphy hits in the 5 hole last night.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was difficult
but I rec’d it.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am still not convinced
Ron Washington is an intelligent man.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Sep 5, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
phrased another way
He is not as smart as he thinksd he is. In baseball that is.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He’s a good players manager and probably a smart guy outside of the game, but wow is he a baseball idiot.
by behindthebag on Sep 5, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say he is an idiot.
He just has his preconcieved biases and it take a WHOLE lot of observational learning to overcome his gut. I thinkit is safe to say Ron is not into sabremetrics.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Gut is genius...never forget that.
What’s with the fucking Ron hate today? We’re 18 mother fuckin’ games above .500. Did we all forget our Alzheimer medication today?
"Former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, right, tells his wife, Silda, that you have to pay double for the kind of f*cking Neftali Feliz gave the Yankees at Yankee Stadium in New York, Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2009. (AP Photo/Henny Ray Abrams)" --benmor78 caption on AP picture of Eliot Spitzer and wife at Yankees game.
by Section 339 on Sep 5, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its his "hate" of Cruz
that has everyone abuzz. Cruz “ran into” 30 bombs according to Ron. That kind of crap is going to elicit some hate.
by behindthebag on Sep 5, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure the thing that bothers Cruz
is not seeing his name in the lineup daily.
I think the part of the quote that you reference is kinda belittling. Usually “running into” homeruns is used when there is some implication that it is lucky. He could have used “belt”, “smash”, “crush”, etc – but my guess is that Cruz probably doesn’t really care about that. Seeing his name left out of the lineup card all too regularly, and when it is on there down towards the bottom, those are probably the things that get under Cruz skin.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what The Gut will think of D-Gut?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Sep 5, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think he even knows about him?
Not being mean, just thinking he doesn’t pay any attention to the lower minors
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks worse if you hate on him when everything has hit the fan
because it looks like you’re just “piling on” Wash.
But, that’s why I think he deserves these criticisms when the team is still winning, in spite of him.
His quotes today are the epitome of his lack of logical deduction. Fucking pathetic.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by Chase Irwin on Sep 5, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT--College Gameday...
Is it me or is that fucking Washington State Flag at ALL gameday locations?!
I see that thing everywhere.
by Too Legit To quit on Sep 5, 2009 9:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
x
Desmond Howard is a shitty analyst. He was laughing through the discussion of the punch yesterday, while Herb and Chris were treating it as a complete moral sin.
by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ Juando
Anyone remember a few years ago when he didnt know the difference between UT and A&M. That was just embarassing
by BEW on Sep 5, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I forgot about that.
You’re right.
by brettgardner on Sep 5, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Sep 5, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, dear.
Hank is the elephant in the room. When will he disappear?
by Chase Irwin on Sep 5, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I think 2006...
That Wazzu crew has gone to every gameday location and waved that flag.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Sep 5, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The glory of College Football traditions..
by Too Legit To quit on Sep 5, 2009 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The phrase 'run into 30' is
disrespectful. I think it must just be a personality thing with Wash and Cruz…. and it’s a drag and not good for the team.
by jcAustin on Sep 5, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he means it like that
I think he’s saying he’s talented enough and powerful enough that he should be hitting 30 every year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took it the same way.
Problem is, Ron’s follow up to that quote reads as if he’s not familiar with how well Cruz has hit with RISP, or with men on in general, or really with any other rate (as opposed to count) stat that deals with run production.
On the other hand, I think his treatment of Cruz, including the “random benchings,” has been somewhat overblown.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
by Snark on Sep 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then maybe
he should articulate it like that. The manner in which he spoke insulted Nellie and his lineup construction with Nellie at the bottom makes him look even dumber.
by Hull Fan on Sep 5, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
he doesn’t have strong enough grasp of the english language to adequately articulate his thoughts
by dustinvandeman on Sep 5, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure he lacks the ability
My use of y’all, fixin’, and other Texasisms really irked people when I lived in Wisconsin. That only spurred me on.
by other_shoe on Sep 5, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's using the lingo of his profession. "Run into 30 HRs" probably is a compliment to a slugger.
I’m sure there are many slap hitters who wish they could “run into 30 HRs”.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Sep 5, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have worded it better obviously, but you're right.
I doubt he meant to openly disrespect Cruz.
But the second part of the quote is baffling. He wonders why Nellie doesn’t produce more runs all the while continually batting him 6th or 7th and randomly benching him.
So its easy to overreact to the whole quote when half of it is utter nonsense.
by behindthebag on Sep 5, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This got fucking stupid in a hurry. Everyone have a great day.
"Former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, right, tells his wife, Silda, that you have to pay double for the kind of f*cking Neftali Feliz gave the Yankees at Yankee Stadium in New York, Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2009. (AP Photo/Henny Ray Abrams)" --benmor78 caption on AP picture of Eliot Spitzer and wife at Yankees game.
by Section 339 on Sep 5, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Word.
Too many trolls and fools on here today. Peace. Go Rangers today.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Sep 5, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit...
two trolls can fuck up a discussion in a hurry.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 5, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fact remains
that washington is solely judging the success of cruz’s season based on RBI totals
that is ridiculous
by dustinvandeman on Sep 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Sense was made!
And look, you didn’t look like a slapdick making it! Good for you!
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
I defend Wash a lot around here. I think he’s a good manager. It’s just some of his in game decisions I disagree with. I can’t for the life of me understand what the fuck his problem is with Nellie and why he loves Byrd so much.
Byrd has been a good player, great clubhouse guy, good defensive OF in all 3 spots, et al. My only complaint about him is that he doesn’t take enough pitches (he has more first pitch outs this year than any other player I can remember) and how he’s used. Byrd shouldn’t start over Cruz. Ever. Period. Wash’s love for him has me to the point that I hope the Rangers don’t bring him back next year. Not because I don’t like him or think he’s not a good player. I do. I just don’t want to see him getting the AB’s over guys like Hamilton, Cruz, and Borbon next year.
Not sure what else Nellie has to do for this team to show he’s an everyday COF who should be hitting in the middle of the lineup everyday. It just seems like an obvious decision to me at this point.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Sep 5, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Byrd is the Mark McLemore of this team.
Unfortunately, you an hide Mark McLemore production at 2B but not in the OF.
I hope the Rangers offer Byrd arbitration and let him move along for exactly the reasons you said above. Hamilton and Cruz should be the starting COF with Murphy mixed in from time to time. Hamilton can give Borbon a day off in CF from time to time. Borbon probably will produce less than Byrd at the plat, but it appears his OF defense could make up for that and then some.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Sep 5, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
Cannot explain his apparent disappointment or possible dislike of Cruz, but I understand why managers like guys like Byrd. It’s soon to be a moot point as he’ll be gone after the year anyway.
I have a hard time defending some of what Washington does but one of the trolls has actually stumbled onto something that makes sense. They’re winning and they’re doing it with young players. By all accounts the guys are happy to play for him. And the defense Washington was supposed to bring to the table. It’s finally here. Has been all year and is a huge part of their success.
This team contrasts so starkly with past Rangers teams that I do think he’s a candidate for Manager of the Year. No question. Should he win it? I don’t know but I think most of the people who vote for that award will consider him.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may actually be fine with Wash being the manager for the reasons you give.
I completely and totally disagree that he should be in any position to win Manager of the Year, though. He’s just too stupid. I just don’t think managers are important enough to think he should be fired, though. He could always be replaced with someone who’s more aggresively sucky.
He’s an idiot and all, but whatever, I’ll deal. Dumb managers, or at least managers who do a few dumb things, win the World Series all the time. I do wish JD and Nolan would put their thumbs down and make him play Cruz, though.
by philkid3 on Sep 5, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's stupid.
I think he has a pretty serious case of “managerthink” sometimes.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old School Brutha
I’ve called him stupid and a fucking idiot in the past but the best description of him is that he’s simply unsophisticated on several levels (some of which pertain to the Great Game notably bullpen management, line-up construction and baseball mathematics).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the slightest bit interested in what you think about anything.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BF
Aren’t you safer in here with your little troll script?
Know your strengths, liberal.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safer? No.
It breaks my browser, unfortunately. That’s why I am forced to listed to your stupid and baseless generalizations and other nonsense, as well as Texas_Dawg and all his iterations.
I, unlike some others, are aware of both my strengths and weaknesses. Still not sure what my ideological leanings have to do with anything.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me when you have a decent baseball take, liberal.
I haven’t seen one yet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like your take on the mighty Hank?
Please. Go back under your rock and not come back out until you can post something without using the word liberal, This Thing, The Show, this glouris day, Nolan, Johnny Donuts, Hank etc. Your take on baseball is about as far away from decent as it gets.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team went 28-19 and the June Swoon
magically ended that glorious night in July.
I’ve swung and missed on the Rangers a lot this year (so did a lot people including the dork from philly with the blowup gf) but I nailed it on Hank Blalock.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20-9 in May Josey
20-9
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7-3 and trending upwards
Since positive changes were revisited.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that counting the game Hank started
in Minnesota and gave away two runs with his outstandg defense?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, forgot about that gem
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it would be 7-2 then
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Rangers were in FIRST
When Davis was manning 1b. Do you see the twisted logic in this? They both have been bad this year and yet the Rangers are winning despite this.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think I have a "decent baseball take" now and then.
I don’t really fit in here because I don’t spout off stats all the time and I have some fun on here, but I’ve played the game and know it fairly well or at least I hope I do.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you fit in here just fine
I like your posts.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I have no problem with Dustin
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to get more into stats.
It’s not that I don’t understand the principles. I’ve used stats analysis in my work everyday for years and excelled in stats while in college. And I think that’s the problem. I’m not the most familiar with sabermetrics only because I haven’t taken the time to familiarize myself with them.
Sort of torn. I want to know them, but once the end of the day rolls around I’m kinda tired of numbers. I do think when they come out with empirical data on batted balls so that defense can be analyzed better, I’ll be in on that.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me when you have one, BF.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Several years ago when I said Blalock was worthless, I have been proved correct time and time again. Usually because of injuries but now because he just sucks. And I can tell you why he sucks if you want me to.
Last year when I said they were onto something with Feldman, I turned out to be right about that. Earlier this year when people were moaning about FIP I said his K rates would rise, and slowly but surely they are beginning to. And I can tell you why that is, too.
None of this will do any good, though, because you’re a troll and the only person who’s ever right in your wierd little universe is you.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington
you are officially a Billy Ripken fuck face, congrats.
by Agreen07 on Sep 5, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think JD needs to slap Washington.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Sep 5, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would think that
Adam’s statement that Feldman is in the range of the 10th-20th best starter in the leaghue is something that we can all agree on (trolls aside) and that is awesome. Whodathunk that we could be looking at a playoff series with NY/Boston/Detroit and not feel that bad about him going against those teams’ #2?
And Washington is going to give me an ulcer with this Cruz/Byrd stuff every day. I am so tired of rooting for decent players to leave via FA because our manager completely misuses them.
by Brett Perryman on Sep 5, 2009 12:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Deadwrong, Perryman.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-20th best starter in the AL?
Name 19 that have been better and show your work.
Feldman has easily been one of the top 5 starting pitchers in the AL this year.
Easily.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman's average game score this year...
…in his 25 starts: 54
Greinke: 63
King Felix: 60
Halladay: 60
Verlander: 59
Sabathia: 57
Jackson: 56
Lester: 57
Also, remember that Feldman’s strong defense behind him means fewer hits allowed, and hits allowed are disproportionately weighted in game scores.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Washington is going to give me an ulcer with this Cruz/Byrd stuff every day. I am so tired of rooting for decent players to leave via FA because our manager completely misuses them.
Agree.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagree as well
Byrd is a real nice player to have, and I hope to Science he declines arb and moves on.
You’re supposed to want to keep guys that are somewhat good at baseball.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful what you wish for?
Evan sez the lineup is:
2B Ian Kinsler
SS Elvis Andrus
CF Marlon Byrd
RF Nelson Cruz
LF David Murphy
C Ivan Rodriguez
1B Chris Davis
DH Jarrod Saltalamacchia
3B Esteban German
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a bad joke, right?
A really, really bad joke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I really liked seeing Borbon and Elvis hitting
back to back at the top of the line up.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For serious
Borbon is totally allergic to lefties, but Murph gets to play against them.
There’s being smart with rookies, then there’s this.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Sep 5, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphys not a rookie
Its a philosophy that Wash has tried to stick with as much as possible
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 5, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking Salty at DH !?!?!
Damn, where in the fuck does he come up with this?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty has a .217 batting average / .265 obp
since the beginning of June.
Why does the Black Hole show it’s ugly face when we’re trying to earn a playoff berth?!?!?
Absolutely maddening.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much of that has to do with the TOS
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Sep 5, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty has a .677 OPS v LH pitching this season.
This has much more to do with the person who made the trade for Salty than it does performance in The Show.
Salty at DH is complete insanity.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Salty is starting at DH because Daniels is making Washington start him to try to justify trading for him.
Because the Teixeira trade really looks like one of your shat-in beds right now for Texas.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with Josey on the reason Salty is getting ab at DH
But I’d like to hear somebody come up with a better possible explanation, because I’m drawing a blank.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Wash doesn’t want to start Borbon against a lefty, particularly with Borbon struggling.
Teagarden isn’t hitting.
You aren’t going to have Blalock as your DH against a LHP.
Hamilton and Young are hurt.
Andruw Jones isn’t off the d.l. yet.
I imagine Wash figures Salty is the best righty bat he has available to play today.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the fuck is Gentry up here?
Rather have Max starting against lefty’s then have Gentry sit on the bench.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Sep 5, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't an either/or
They could both be up.
But Max hasn’t hit this year. I think you’d have a hard time arguing that you’d be better off with Max DHing against a LHP right now than with Salty DHing.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at his splits in the minors.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Sep 5, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hm.
Well that’s pretty far away from the bigs, but Salty has been so bad. Maybe it would be worth a shot.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vizquel (in limited ABs) has an OPS > 1.000 against LHP this year
Play him at third and DH German. Both the offense and defense improve by considerable margin.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you have no backup IF
If something happens to one of your infielders, you lose your DH.
Also, I have my doubts that Vizquel is an empirically better hitter against LHPs right now than Salty is.
Also, I would wager that they don’t want to play Vizquel every single day from here on out, given his age.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden has an 824 OPS against LHP this year
Salty’s is 677.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell is he in the line-up, ajm?
Come up with a good explanation because we know the children of Little Boy Donuts are given more rope than those who have become organizational orphans.
There is no excuse for a piece of shit like Salty (who hasn’t seen major league pitching in a month) to be the DH of this team this afternoon.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Sep 5, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's in the lineup because Daniels traded for him...
…why isn’t Cruz playing every day?
I mean, Daniels caught a lot more crap for dealing Cordero + guys than he did for the Teixeira trade.
If your theory is correct, Cruz would have started every game this year.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is the case TT needs to sit
And Pudge needs to play every game the rest of the year. Also TT is a JD guy since he did draft him and you love you some TT so your logic is flawed.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels didn't draft Teagarden
Teagarden was taken in the Hart/Hopkins draft of 2005.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe without having to focus
on the pitching staff and calling a game Salty might start to improve at the plate?
by MikeEl on Sep 5, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT should be DHing
or catching instead of Salty.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems real obvious to me
Let Pudge DH against lefties, it saves some wear and tear on him.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
It isn’t like the team only has a couple of series left in the season.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Sep 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's something we should talk about more
Elvis Andrus since the ASB: .302 / .368 / .453 at 20 years old.
This guy has the makings of an MVP caliber player.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He has been really good
and when you watch him hit you can see that he is really hitting the ball hard which I think is a very good thing.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Sep 5, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also knows how to take a pitch
Very good eye at the plate.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just turned 21 in NY
But I understand. Elvis is already the best ss the Rangers have ever had in their history.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
Second-best.
But otherwise, I agree.
by Adam J. Morris on Sep 5, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I look at AROD as a 3b now since he moved over in NY.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also had a solid 2nd half
for Frisco last year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Sep 5, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
I think the second half adjustments he’s made during the 2 biggest leaps in competition in baseball are pretty telling for the type of talent that he has. You just don’t see that very often at all.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Sep 5, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz = Greatness
Game Streak Event Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
2009 21 TEX AL 0 0 0.41 12 0 2 0 0 2 22.0 5 1 1 1 1 0 28 1 0 0 73 1103 0.273 2.0 0.4 0.4 11.5 28.00
1 Season 0 0 0.41 12 0 2 0 0 2 22.0 5 1 1 1 1 0 28 1 0 0 73 1103 0.273 2.0 0.4 0.4 11.5 28.00
162 Game Avg. 0 0 0.41 68 0 11 0 0 11 125 28 6 6 6 6 0 159 6 0 0 414 1103 0.273 2.0 0.4 0.4 11.5 28.00
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well that came out looking like shit
Anyway he has a ERA+ of 1103
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Sep 5, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I wish there was an easy way to import stuff from spreadsheets.
by Black Francis on Sep 5, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime he pitches
He does something to make me laugh at the pposing batter… the looks after strikeouts from these guys are classic. Last night when he blew away one of the Oriole batters he bugged his eyes out and looked like he said sheeesh or some related derivative. And the Hill strikeout in Toronto was classic..
by bstair on Sep 5, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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