Ben Sheets??
by kinslerFTW on Jan 1, 2010 5:31 PM CST
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What do you guys think of signing him?? What would it take? I think We would have a Very good when healthy 1-2 in our rotation. I know he wants 12 mill but does anyone thing that we could get for 5-6 mill with 4 mill in incentives?? Any chance of this happening? Need thoughts.
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This is one of those times
when if you need more thoughts, its a sign that you probably shouldn’t have made a fanpost.
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by Gdawg on Jan 1, 2010 5:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ok gdawg
you could either put your thoughts here or you dont have to post at all its up to you, also dont tell what to post and what not to.
Actually there are a set of rules
based on site setting, ie the min word count on the fanpost, and also a set of user guidelines that are usually kept in check around here.
Just putting my two sense in and not trying to pick a fight, but this could have been put in the daily thread.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
oh my bad
im new to this site so i did’nt know.
What did you think the 75 word limit was for?
You clearly saw it since you wrote “need more thoughts” 7 times.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
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I’m going with smell and touch.
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by WyoRanger on Jan 2, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So vlad and Sheets would be awesome, however,
I dont think financially it would be possible unless two things happen.
1, Sheets’ asking price needs to come down to more like 4 mil at least. He has too much to prove being out of baseball for the length of time he has been. He has no right asking for 12 mil and multi year.
2. Vlads price comes down to 4-5.5 mil with incentives.
So I’m hoping this team has at least 10 mil left to spend and that’s probably making things real tight. So it’s possible as long as the two things above can happen.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
We all know Sheets isn't getting $12 million.
And I think Vlad will end up getting around that price. Even still, I just don’t see it happening at this point. I could be wrong, but I just can’t see us having $10 million to spend. I’d be all for getting those two guys, but I think we’ll only have the money for one. And we need a bat. So unless the Rangers have more to spend than they’re leading everyone to believe, then we can probably forget about Sheets.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Supposedly only "$5M to $7M" to spend...
so both are probably out of the question (unless really incentive laden).
That being said, if you can only do one, which one do you sign?
Vlad (or whatever good bat we can get, doesn't necessarily have to be Vlad)
Unless we can trade for a bat, which the trade market for a bat might be a little bit better. But even still we would have to pay whoever we traded for unless we up the offer in prospects to get the team to eat more money, and honestly unless it’s somebody like I dunno, James Loney or somebody like that who is young, awesome, and under control for a while then I don’t want to give up a whole lot in the way of prospects. And even still after looking at Loney he’s probably a bad example because he’s arb eligible the next couple of years so he’s going to start getting expensive. I don’t know really, like I said unless we pay out the wazoo in prospects we’re probably going to pay whoever we trade for if that’s the route we go, so I’m going to say if we can only do one (which is most likely the case) then I would rather go after the bat. It’s a bigger need.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
He is if you like your first basemen with less power than Ranger catcher
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Jan 2, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe not AWESOME.
But he’s a decent hitter, yeah. Career .806 OPS. The last couple of years I guess I see your point. How about Matt Kemp, that do anything for you? It was an example off the top of my head, I’m sure I could do better if I tried. Point is that’s the kind of player I would like to trade for. Somebody young, good, and under control for a few years. Hanley (ROFL)?
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Somebody young, good, and under control for a few years...
…like Matt Kemp is probably going to cost as much, if not more, than what Roy Halladay was going to cost last year.
Probably two out of the Perez/Smoak/Holland/Feliz quadumvirate.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 2, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
You think Matt Kemp would cost that much?
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You think more?
I agree somebody like that would cost an arm and a leg, but the way I see it why not? If we were willing to give that up for a year of Halladay then why not for a young hitter like that? We obviously have a need, and I think we have enough depth in the pitching department that losing a couple of arms wouldn’t kill us. I’ve said before that I don’t want to trade Smoak for an arm, but in this case I wouldn’t be as opposed if we were getting a legit bat back. I still don’t want to trade 2 of the big 4 though, and if we had to give that up for anybody short of Hanley Ramirez I think I probably have to say no. What about a guy like Billy Butler?
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Or Joey Votto?
I’m just kinda throwing names around, there’s got to be other guys like this around the league that I’m not thinking of. I’ve been Vlad and Thome’d to death here recently. Haven’t really looked to far into the trade market.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Joey Votto?
You’d give up, say, Smoak and Perez for Joey Votto?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Smoak I think I would.
Because we would be replacing him with a proven major league bat. Smoak and Perez though no. Although you’re probably right and that’s most likely close to what they would want.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
He's a decent hitter...
But not for a first baseman. In fact, for a first baseman he’s actually pretty shitty.
A career 806 OPS ain’t too spectacular for a first baseman in the first place, and his career number is also weighted by the awesome partial season he had when he first came up in 2007. In his two full season’s since then however, he’s OPS’d 772 and 756, while wOBA’ing .333 and .332.
Give you an idea how bad that is, those numbers where 6th-to-last among 1B’s in 2008, and 3rd-to-last among 1B’s this year. Only Aubrey Huff and Daniel Murphy provided less production from first base in 2009.
Not trying to bust your balls here really, but I really hate James Loney, so let me just say that in conclusion, James Loney fucking sucks.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Jan 3, 2010 1:30 AM CST up reply actions
He's not my favorite player or anything, so I don't really care it's cool.
He wasn’t the best example, just the first one that flew out of my mouth without really thinking about it or doing any research. I don’t particularly like the guy, and honestly I’m not worried about him playing first base anyway. Davis is our guy. I know he had some problems last year, but towards the end after he went down for a little while and got away from Rudy and changed his swing/approach he started looking a lot better. I think he will continue to improve at the plate and quiet all the doubters. His glove is outstanding already. The only reason I’d have any interest at all in Loney is because he can get on base and drive in runs (or was at least able to at one point). Didn’t realize how bad he had been the last couple of years though, I just remember he was decent a couple of years ago and that’s why I threw him out there. Admittedly I don’t follow other teams all that closely for the most part. After looking into it a little bit more there’s several guys I would look into before him.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Average OPS for MLB 1B in 2009
was .832
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very true
but i never heard of him asking for a multi year deal. also i would give him 5 mill guarnteed with 4 mill in incentives, also i would’nt mind Thome being in our lineup.
I believe it was discussed
A fanpost was created on the amount of $ the Rangers have to spend earlier this week (hint: its not 10mil), and I believe Sheets is discussed about once a week or so around these parts.
The only moves that are going to come from this point forward are via trade.
Not trying to pick a fight, but this is a pretty lazy post.
"Congrats Rangers fans, you just found your replacement for Mark Teixeira. Just a crazy, crazy steal." -Goldstein
Well, I'd say any more significant moves would likely come via trade at this point.
Unless you consider adding a sucky “veteran catcher” a, Jon Garland type and/or some two-bit retirement home DH significant.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Jan 1, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
i would'nt mind
adding Garland to our rotation.
In a vacuum, neither would I
But given our financial state it strikes me as more of a luxury than necessity.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Jan 1, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
and really, how much would he add.....
as compared to, say, Nippert/Harrison/Bmac or some other combination of innings ?
I’m assumimg Harden, Feldman, Hunter, Holland
Not to mention ‘retarding’ the youngsters experience & progress.
yes it is a lazy post
but there has been nothing to talk about the last couple days.
Totally forgot about that, it was a dark time in my life…
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by RangerFloppy on Jan 1, 2010 10:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My wife once gave me a Halloween card
It said, “You are my Sheetheart,” and had a picture of a ghost wearing a sheet.
Postage due?
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by Ed Coffin on Jan 1, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Sheets or Garland?
Well, for my 2 cents. I would rather give Sheets a little more with the potential to run out Harden and Sheets in a playoff series. How much more do you think Sheets will actually get than Garland? I would take Sheets in a second even with injury concerns and I am hoping we pass on Garland.
Also, I like the fanpost and post several post that get bashed, keep posting.
i agree
adding Sheets looks that much better after adding him, Think of it Rangers have 2 aces!! we would deff be a division fav if one or bith f them were healthy
My guess is that Sheets eventually signs
a 1 year 5 million dollar deal with incentives. I’d be completely for bringing Sheets in. You then have Sheets and Harden at the top of your rotation and increase your odds of getting 300+ IP of ace level pitching.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
yes sir
That 1-2 is deff shut down and could compete with any other teams. ( When Healthy)
No Way
This team is paying that much for him and nobody should. He’s been out of the game too long. Guys like that don’t get guaranteed money from broke teams.
The Yankees or some team like that will wind up with him.
by Black Francis on Jan 1, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
heh
reading this post and LSJ’s right underneath is kind of funny.
I think you’re underestimating just how good Sheets can be and what a team would pay for that. He’s not going to get more than he last offseason, but he’ll get something similar which should be about that if I’m not mistaken.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I didn't think he got anything last offseason
…because he was hurt.
I know how good he can be if the stars align for him, but I don’t think the cosmos is on his side. Odds are if he ever does come back, he’s not going to be the same pitcher he used to be.
Has he even worked out for anybody?
I’d rather the Rangers sign Jon Garland. At least you know he will take the mound. If the Rangers signed sheets they’d be giving millions in guaranteed money to two pitchers who are both huge injury risks. I think they already have the best of the two under contract and they shouldn’t push it.
Anyway, something’s fishy about Sheets. I wouldn’t be surprised if he never pitched in the majors again.
by Black Francis on Jan 2, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking about the deal he agreed to with the Rangers
before flunking the physical.
Like I said, aces don’t come cheap. The only ways to get an ace are to pay up big for someone else’s ace in a trade, spend 100+ million dollars on someone like Sabathia, develop your own, or take a chance on an injury risk like Sheets.
Something might be “fishy” about Sheets, but since the team checked him out last year and found he wasn’t good to go, I’m pretty confident that signing him means that there is nothing wrong with him as of now, at least to the point where a 31 year old won’t pitch in the Majors again.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Why would he be a different pitcher?
If he were willing to sign for 5 plus low incentives, It’d be like WalMart on black Friday.
How could he be?
I can’t think of many pitchers who’ve missed a year and came back to pitch like the Ben Sheets of old. In fact I can’t think of any. There may be one or two but they’re the exceptions.
Has he worked out for any team? What’s the likelihood he’ll even be ready for spring training?
Even if they signed him and he is healthy you think he’s just going to jump right into the big leagues again? That’s just fucking stupid and I’m sick of talking about it. Pipedreamers.
by Black Francis on Jan 3, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
If you're so sick of it why even read the thread?
Pettite had the same surgery as Sheets. I suppose you think he pitches like shit.
He didn’t have ligament replacement surgery. He didn’t have his shoulder torn open.
Nothing else to talk about I guess
Sheets was supposed to be ready by the All Star Break last season. He still hasn’t worked out for anyone and that’s not throwing up red flags for you?
I would venture to guess that Pettitte’s tear wasn’t severe or maybe his surgery and rehab went smoother. In either case they’re not comparable because Pettitte is a guy who pitched over 200 innings the season after he had elbow surgery. And for the four years after that.
by Black Francis on Jan 3, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
It sounds like you are declaring Pettite as not comparable because it doesn’t fit with your imagination. Given the way the whole thing came about with Sheets, I find it hard to believe that it was a severe tear. The fact that AP pitched 200 innings the year after tells you something about the surgery.
Holy shit do you have a thick skull or what?
He had surgery nearly a year ago and I can’t find a report that he’s even started throwing yet. He was supposed to be PITCHING by the All Star Break 2009. Something is wrong with him…why is that so hard for you to understand that?
Pettitte may have had the same type of injury, but obviously there was something different about it because he came back quickly and carried a very heavy workload the next season. If memory serves he went under the knife in September and was ready for Spring Training. Something is not comparable and it has nothing to do with my imagination.
by Black Francis on Jan 4, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
If we can get him for that, hell yeah.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
The new year sure has people in a bad mood
Daniels has shown that he can make some positive moves with very little budget money to work with. Let’s put a long shot scenerio together.
Sheets signs a 1 year deal worth 4 mil with another 4 mil in incentives and a 1 year player option for 9 mil (not sure if all that is legal with MLB or not). It still gives sheets the chance to earn a big payday next year if he pitches outstanding…but something to fall back on if he has a down season. The rangers are taking the chance that sheets doesn’t get injured…because if healthy he is worth every bit of the money.
As for dh…I would ride this as far as possible with vlad ,delgado, thome, and a few others.
Maybe we can get one of these guys on a 1 year 2 mil deal with 3 o 4 mil in incentives.
Then we can look to make a few small deals for a utilty guy and a possible catcher.
That would dry up our fa money…. I would then look to trade for a catcher and a middle infielder.
by death of the cool on Jan 1, 2010 8:55 PM CST reply actions
Sorry
Thought I deleted that last sentence
by death of the cool on Jan 1, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
or we could
trade for that bat we need, if we get sheets i would give the same deal to Sheets like they did to harden except a little less guranteed money something like 5 mill 4 mill in incentives.
Interesting thought...
Anyone be opposed to a reasonable 1 year deal for Damon as a DH?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Depends upon whether or not you think he'll maintain the wOBA's he put up the last 2 seasons
2008-9 Damon? Sure, not a bad deal. 2005-7 Damon… ehh, maybe.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK" - LL's "Poochie" on Rich Harden signing with Texas over Seattle
by LSJ on Jan 1, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
I would not mind it for cheap
But the rangers seem to be Wanting a middle of the order bat that can drive in some runs
by death of the cool on Jan 1, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
We need a middle of the order, righty.
So I don’t see Damon as a fit. Not to mention I could never respect a guy who could be so much for Boston, then turn around and sign with the Yankees. And I actually hate the Red Sox and am fine with the Yanks.. but that’s just messed up to do.
LOL
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
It still fit.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
i hope we do
Would buy me a Sheets shirt too :)
I just wonder about this nearly mythical creature called a Healthy Sheets.
I would just worry about having 10-12 million tied up in pitchers that you are hoping, and there is some real hope there, that you will get 300 IP out of. In a vacuum I like the idea of Sheets, but any pitcher who has missed the whole year before is a huge gamble.
I guess it comes down to money. IF its less then 4 million its a no brainer. If its more like 6 I probably wouldn’t do it. Doesn’t seem like a large difference but when your talking about the salary level we are probably at its huge.
What do voluntary mean?
Well
i would do 6 mill for sheets he should sign sometime later but if the ownership thing is solved around february or so we could deff get him.But i have no idea when thats goin to be solved i dont think it should take that long. would it??
Eh
Sign him, get him healthy, use late ST then a rehab, and bring him into the rotation in June if he’s killing snakes at Frisco or OKC. Get a little proof of performance before inserting him. Lock and load comes before aim and fire. That is, if he’d take an incentive laden deal.
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by Ed Coffin on Jan 2, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Would you pay 10-12 million for someone like Halladay?
If the team can get 34 starts. 230 IP out of a Harden/Sheets duo for that price, that’s going to end up being similar to what any ace would give the Rangers at a similar yearly salary. Now if you can get 150 IP out of both of those guys, you’re doing a hell of a lot better. And if you can actually get a full season out of one of them, well, you get the point. Aces don’t come cheap, so you do whatever you can to bring them here when you have a chance to get them cheap. Usually, that means taking the risk on an injury prone guy.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
I said this with Harden and I will say it with Sheets
I will take a risk with a pitcher with great stuff and injury history every time over a pitcher with ok stuff and eats innings.
I am willing to sign Garland, but if it is only a few million difference I would much rather have sheets
by death of the cool on Jan 2, 2010 1:12 PM CST reply actions
Sheets could
stay healthy hes proved it in his carrer before. i just hope we have both of them in our rotation by spring training.
like what they said
if u have nothing nice to say dont say it at all.
Fuck You
Perhaps I should say “fuck u” because that may save you a little time reading.
by Black Francis on Jan 2, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Did you have a bad new years day
seems like it.
Sigh not another fan post about Sheets
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I do have an irrational reaction to people discussing Ben Sheets
I don’t know why it irritates me so much but it does.
by Black Francis on Jan 2, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
It’s not like we haven’t discussed this to death already either.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
"ben sheets"
has become more of an idea than a name. It has transcended its proper noun origins and has become more of a wish, a dream of the ‘big score’. the ultimate fantasy of the small budget team fan – a resurgent star forced into a make-good contract leading a futile organization to greatness.
by SteveP on Jan 3, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You people are living in a fantasy land
This guy is going to magically come back to the major leagues and just flat out dominate the AL. Whatever. Unlike Harden, there’s a very good chance that Sheets will come back, suck, and then get hurt.
by Black Francis on Jan 2, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Carnack
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
More likely
he will never pitch another good full season for the rest of his career.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
wow
You’re using Harden as a contrast and a good example. If you want to talk about mystery injuries and variable performance, Richie is an ace. Sometimes he’s not pitching, but he’s not injured. Sometimes he’s pitching, but his velocity is way down and fireworks ensue. Team still says he’s not injured. Sometimes he’s injured but the team is vague and nobody on the outside can figure out what the story is.
You make it sound like Sheets has had shoulder and elbow surgery while Richie had some sniffles.
wow
Harden hasn’t missed more than a year of baseball. He misses parts of years and there aren’t many fireworks when he’s been able to take the mound, either.
by Black Francis on Jan 3, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, most every year he takes time off
Now and then, here and there. Get ready for arm, shoulder, elbow and/or “undisclosed” injuries.
And the fireworks, they were in the awful NL.
We'll see
I don’t know what fireworks you’re talking about. He’s had problems with health but has pitched well in both leagues. In fact he’s never had a bad season.
I can understand why they brought him in. But I wouldn’t hold my breath and wait for them to pay guaranteed money for another injury risk.
by Black Francis on Jan 3, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
like I said, he misses starts due to arm, shoulder, elbow, back or undisclosed injuries. Fireworks are when he gets hit hard. When I’ve seen it, it has been when his velocity is down.
The numbers don't support
…that there were ever that many fireworks. We all know he is injury prone and you don’t have to point that out to me.
by Black Francis on Jan 4, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
heres what im thinking happens
and i base this on no research. but since i already got my lsb baptism by fire i didn’t make a lame fan-post.
Most likely he signs for somewhere in the rangers price range. but not with the rangers. since he is still a premier starting pitcher he would have to be money whipped by the rangers and if he’s gonna take a smaller bid than he wanted he is going to have to go to a major club.
Fresh since 1822
Last year the Rangers had a deal in place with him
They really didn’t money whip him then.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
but failed a physical
thats why he could sign with us again.
yes just assumed that was implied
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Another idea on a Sheets contract...
How about an option year for innings pitch (much like Millwood)
say 1 year 4 mil with incentives to reach 6-7 mil with an option year that kicks in with a certain number of innings pitched.
by death of the cool on Jan 3, 2010 12:20 AM CST reply actions
I think that’s how they structured the contract last year for him
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
i would really like that deal
i think he would take something like that if he does’nt sign in jan maybe in mid to late feb he could sign that who knows.
Why would Sheets do that?
He’s not going to want to take $4 million guaranteed, and lock himself into a 2011 contract if he pitches well, unless the 2011 contract is for like $15 million.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
i think
that if he did take that deal for 4 mill and proves healthy we should put a 12-13 mill option.
Insurance ?
How does the insurance on contracts work? I thought I heard that insurance payed a lot of Chan Ho’s contract when he was at Texas due to injuries. For example, we sign Sheets and he gets hurt (or Harden), what percentage of their contract will insurance cover. I think the risk to have both Harden and Sheets in the rotation is worth it, especially if insurance covers some of our risk. What if they do get hurt? We still have McCarthy, Holland, Harrision, etc. to fill out the rotation. Much better fall back options than in the past. Worth the gamble and money to me.
I imagine insurance on a guy like Sheets and/or Harden costs a pretty penny given their histories
CHP didn’t have an injury history when we signed him so getting a policy wouldn’t have been hard or cost alot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i pretty much think
its worth the risk also 2 legitmate aces in our rotation won’t hurt, likely one will stay healthy atleast like you said we have Feliz, Holland, B-Mac, and harrison for depth.
Makes Since
Insurance costing a lot on them would make since. Still think it is worth the plunge if insurance is a possibility. I guess it all depends on price and I guess Sheets could pitch all year with average stuff if the arm doesn’t come back and still get paid.
I still think Garland makes more sense for this team
Garland is pretty consistently a 2-3 WAR pitcher. How likely is it that, with his recent elbow and shoulder injuries, Sheets will be any better than 2-3 WAR? I’d say pretty slim.
Plus, Garland is a virtual lock to soak up 200 IP and post an FIP around 4.50. Again, even if Sheets is healthy, I doubt he would perform much better than a 4.50 FIP in his first season back from major surgery, and his first season in the AL. And Garland seems to be well suited to our ballpark (the small career sample aside) given his ground ball tendencies and our strong infield defense.
Also, this team has plenty of high risk, high reward players (Hamilton, Harden, Davis, Holland, Feliz, Ray, etc). Garland would be a league average, or a little above, starter that would definitely be an improvement over McCarthy/Harrison. And it allows the team to keep Feliz in the bullpen for the first couple months, transitioning him to the rotation later in the year to limit his innings.
Finally, the remaining DH options are very underwhelming. I’m not sure this team is any better off spending 5 million on Vlad, as opposed to 1-2 million on Garko. But I think adding Garko and Garland as opposed to Vlad and say a NRI like Bartolo Colon (as suggested in TR’s mailbag today) would be a better allocation of resources. It takes pressure off the bullpen, it provides an adequate DH platoon, and it gives the rotation some needed stability. Plus, McCarthy could be traded if the team acquires Garland, which would be another avenue to acquire a catcher/utility infielder/DH platoon guy while riding the team of about a million dollars in payroll. I would not feel comfortable trading McCarthy if we signed Ben Sheets, given Sheets injury risk.
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