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Not sure how they can enforce this in a meaningful way. The Marling have to go overpay for a FA? Or just pay their existing guys more?

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Cap and Floor

Seems failry simple. Take the average of the bottom five payrolls over the past decade and make that as the new salary floor, and do the same for the top five to create a cap. Average of the median five payrolls over the past decade and disperse revenue sharing accordingly on a sliding scale.

Quick theory on my part, I’m sure there are numerous ways to shoot it down. Just makes too much sense to me, which means that it wouldn’t work.

"…although it does kinda show how little faith they have in Cruz, whether that be the org as a whole or just our beloved, bespectacled, kool-lovin’ skipper."

by Ryin A on Jan 11, 2010 5:48 PM EST

by hillcrest on Jan 12, 2010 1:52 PM CST reply actions  

im against a cap in salaries

i want my governments’ socialist and my sports’ free market. not some bastardized rearround. allthough i do find it ironic that the only league that does have anti trust exemption is also the only league that allows a rich owner or a rich market to spend whatever they want. MLB, dog eat dog baby. just how i like it.

I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Free market can work in both arenas.

There are winners and losers in everything.

It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca

by bioaggie on Jan 12, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You're against MLB?

Its not even remotely close to “free market.” There is nothing socialist about a league having payroll and revenue rules.

by Salty on Jan 13, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm

This is kinda big, isn’t it?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2010 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

Enforcement

1) Violation of minimum results in revoking equivalent portion or full revenue sharing dollars. So if the Marlins are under the floor by $5 million, then they lose either $5 million (or 2x; $10 million) or ALL revenue sharing dollars. It is easy to penalize people when you are giving them free money; cut back the free money.

2) similar to #1, but put them on probation, where all league money is escrowed until they surpass a certain pay threshold.

3) Do all the things that supposedly Bud has threatened the Rangers with: losing draft picks, forfeiting minor league players, put the Marlins under virtual league control, etc

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2010 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

haha!

I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2010 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

Sizing Man!!!

/oc

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Sooooo...

Does this mean they will be signing Ben Sheet for a 1 yr 10 mil deal?

(I always look for a way news that comes out screws the Rangers)

"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg

by AceJC on Jan 12, 2010 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

that would be good for the Rangers.

In all seriousness, I see this as a very good development. No longer should the Pohlads of the world suck at the league’s teet. If they’re getting revenue sharing money, they should spend it on baseball operations, and mostly on the big league payroll. It’s only right.

And yeah I think they can enforce it, like JB says.

by Black Francis on Jan 12, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

For that price..

…they can have him. I don’t understand why so many still get a boner over the idea of signing Sheets. You would think Clemens in his prime was rumored to come to Texas…

by ncrangerfan on Jan 12, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

There's no way I'd look kindly upon the Rangers giving Sheets anything more than 4mil

That’s the point. The marlins would go out and spend that just to make nice and get above the minimum. Then it would inflate everyone elses ideas on what they could get and screw Texas out of getting another cheap arm.

I do agree this is probably a good thing. I wish the Rangers had a minor league team in their division they could kick around. Actually, Florida really isn’t a cupcake most years, but I hate how everyone deals with them but the Rangers. It’s a minor league team where players get MLB looks all year.

And as far as Sheets being Nolan Jr., I don’t think so. But he has the most upside of the guys out there and everyone enjoys a good comeback story. Especially if they get him cheap. We’re done this offseason I believe. The 40’s locked up and we’re ready to roll.

"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg

by AceJC on Jan 12, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Marlins wins since '02

79, 91, 83, 83, 78, 71, 84, 87

Pretty sure I know of 1 team that would trade their last 8 years for that.

by rothe on Jan 12, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally

As long as any remaining player signs with an N.L. team, I’m not worried. The Rangers are done spending money, and the idea that they are going to go get Sheets is a pipedream, I think.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Hehe. I like the add on the right for SBNation from McCovey Chronicles. “Giants sign Aubrey Huff, add miediocre bat to awful offense”

Was that you AJM that wanted Huff a while ago? Or was that LSJ?

"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg

by AceJC on Jan 12, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I never wanted Aubrey Huff.

If the Rangers were in the playoffs... the soundtrack could be one long continuous fart, and I would love it. - cmkelly

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for clearing that up. Not even sure if it was AJM.

Perhaps one of you were arguing with someone who wanted him. Sorry, I guess I’m a rumor spreader. Won’t happen again.

"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg

by AceJC on Jan 12, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha, it's not like it really matters.

I think you’re thinking of the Luke Scott brouhaha.

I don’t think AJM ever wanted Huff either.

If the Rangers were in the playoffs... the soundtrack could be one long continuous fart, and I would love it. - cmkelly

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

My friends and I have discussed this before....

….I’ll bet teams like KC, PIT, FLA, WAS are pressured like this on a semi-regular basis.

That’s the only explanation for moves like KC signing Jose Guillen for 3 yrs, $36 million or Gil Meche for 5 yrs, $55 million. Surely their front office knows that they won’t win. And they know that players like Meche and Guillen are not going to make them contenders. The sound financial thing to do would be to field a team of 25 guys making less than $1 million each. Have a payroll around $25 million, claim you are in a (never-ending) rebuilding phase, and pocket the shared revenue.

Yes, a team with a $25 million payroll would be bad. But, really, how much better is a team with a $50 million payroll if 23 million of that goes to guys like Guillen and Meche? Maybe 4 or 5 wins per season? If that?

But, I’m sure the union and the big market teams stay on their asses to make sure the small fish in the pond don’t keep too much of that shared $$$ in their pockets. So, they sign players like Reggie Sanders, Mark Grudzielanek, Gil Meche, Jose Guillen, Jason Kendall, etc. (one of my buddies is a Royals fan, so that’s the team we usually discuss as an example)

by Hard8 on Jan 12, 2010 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think Drayton has to be forced to make terrible moves.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

that what anti trust breeds

lack of competition. ie without the threat other clubs or some hotshot owner in a 3rd league who wants into the league to pressure the 28th and 29th teams. there is potential for an owner to pull a expos (pre mlb ownership) or marlins with nuthin to lose.

it is what it is.

I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT

by Jayslick on Jan 12, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

a good time to be a salary arb player

for the Marlins.

Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP

by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2010 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

That's what I was thinking...

perhaps Uggla can unpack his bags now because he may not be going anywhere else after all.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 12, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Finally

Think of how many players got their first 2-3 years in a Marlins uniform only to be traded to a new team when they start making legit money.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Jan 12, 2010 5:59 PM CST reply actions  

I just think there seems to be a disconnect among

1) how much you spend on players

2) the number of wins you get

3) the number of people that show up (specific to the marlins)

Players are overpaid compared to the amount of money necessary to secure a certain threshold of production, given the variance in player production. Much better to go after young talent or raise your own prospects. And winning doesn’t seem to guarantee them fans anyway.

Or to sum up in the parlance of 20 years ago: Don’t hate the player, hate the game

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2010 6:10 PM CST reply actions  

I really don't understand how people with names like Michael Weiner can go through life, much less get executive jobs.

If the Rangers were in the playoffs... the soundtrack could be one long continuous fart, and I would love it. - cmkelly

by LSJ on Jan 12, 2010 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

How about your last name being Gay in the NFL?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Jan 12, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

They could enforce it, by docking the revenue

that gets shared to them by the revenue sharing pool. So if they didn’t use it, it just went back into the pot.

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by DJCahill on Jan 13, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

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