Sunday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 9:55 AM CST
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Tired of talk about the pending Rangers sale? Then just skip this morning's update...
T.R. Sullivan says that Tom Hicks and Chuck Greenberg continue to negotiate, with the sides confident that a deal will end up getting done. Once a deal is agreed upon, then there still has to be approval by MLB, which is expected to be a non-issue, and the banks that Hicks Sports Group owes money to, which also isn't expected to represent a huge hurdle.
Richard Durrett is less optimistic, saying it is "unclear" whether a deal will be reached.
Gil Lebreton has a column up about the sales process, as well. Lebreton says, among other things, that Bud Selig is backing the Greenberg/Ryan group and has gotten involved to help move the process along and get this resolved. Jim Crane is apparently also continuing to hang around, and if there ends up being a problem with the Greenberg/Ryan group's financing, Crane, it sounds like, is ready to step in.
Evan Grant and Eric Nadel were named the Texas Sportswriter of the Year and Texas Sportscaster of the Year, respectively, by the National Sportscasters and Sportswriters Association.
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Congrats to Evan.
Go Cowboys, I’m sick with anticipation.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Maybe next year.....
get ready for GameDayThreads (GDTs)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Apparently none of our local owners
got the memo telling them not to be seen yukking it up with unrepentant war criminals. Well, maybe Cuban.
Aw, what are you talking about...?
It looks like he’s joking with Nadel about his detached retina in that picture. I would yuk it up with him, too, he seems like a fun guy.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Yeah
Could we not turn this into a GW thread?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
We might need a new political thread
what with Haiti, Bush / Nadel, fan protests, steroids ..
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
My bad
Heard a moving sermon this morning on the torture issue, and I couldn’t restrain myself. I’m done.
I heard a moving song recently...
about putting a boot in the ass of terrorists. Most likely a boot wrapped in an American flag and apple pie.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
stepping on the american flag?
thats worse than terrorism. amurka!
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
It would be bad...
if you were just stepping on the flag. But if you’re wrapping your boot it in it and sticking it up a terrorist’s ass, it’s okay. It’s in the Constitution.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Jan 17, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No, that was kinda funny
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Jan 17, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like someone is cranky
because they’ve got a flag stuck up their ass…
yep
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Maybe you should go join all your brothers over there, Mohammed.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Jan 17, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
un cola!
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I did as well
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
If you don't mind me asking, how does one give a sermon on the topic of torture?
That seems like a topic for a pastor who wants to get political, not reach unbelievers and/or strengthen the faith of believers.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 17, 2010 7:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The "good guys" in the Bible...
regularly did things far worse than simulated drowning.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Dummy.
The first book of the bible is genesis, no exegisis. What a retard.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Ho ho ho...
next your going to tell me that jeremiad wasn’t an old testament prophet. Ho ho ho, what a dummy you are.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
The gospel reading was from Luke
and the sermon elucidated the “subversive” nature of God’s mercy. The pastor broached the torture issue obliquely, and secondarily to the message that God will use his son as a vehicle of forgiveness and reconciliation, rather than retribution.
talk his wife into a divorce
Destroy their family. You know how it goes.
by Black Francis on Jan 17, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well, to be fair...
and I mean no disrespect, but aren’t you the one that put up the pic of that war criminal on the front page?
Though, seeing Hicks near W helps me dislike both of them even more. And anything that makes Hicks look worse has gotta be a positive I guess.
I put up a photo with Eric Nadel in it
It was the only one available.
The fact that GW was also in it is no reason to start a huge political pissing match, any more than Obama being in a photo on the front page that has to do with a Ranger player or person or whatever would be a reason.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe you needed that explained to you
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 17, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
No
I mean that it was no reason to start a political pissing match.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 17, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Godwin's Law alert!
Would it not be ok to start a political pissing match if Hitler were (for whatever reason) on the front page?
Dubya is a naughty, naughty man. He’s polarizing enough that it’s going to start some sort of political discussion no matter what. Especially in our largely bipartisan country.
Do you object...
…to any president or former president being in any photo on the main page?
Or is just Bush offensive, and Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Elder Bush, Carter, would be okay?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
In the interest of respecting both sides of the isle
I’d have to object to any of ‘em unless they’re throwing out the first pitch.
GWB...
recently partially owned the team that this blog is about, dude. He’s going to pop up from time to time.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 17, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
you're pissing on the wrong tree
this one kicks back
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
there isnt anything to kick back about
regardless of your political feelings, the dude once owned the team…
…he might show up in pictures or even at games from time to time.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
I have no idea why you're saying anything to me
much less copying exactly what ghostofET said above
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Uncle Sam's got your name on the top of his list...
and the Statue of Liberty is shakin’ her fist!!
Boot in your ass! Boot in your ass!
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
That song is such a beating.
Toby Keith’s stuff as a whole is largely a beating, come to think of it.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
by lonestarJon on Jan 18, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Toby Keith has his own brand of pre-formed cowboy hats.
Anytime I’m at the lake and some body drives by in their wakeboarding boat wearing one of those style of hats, I want to throw my son in the water.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Isn't it time for
you to go kick a soccer ball?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Jan 17, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
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next comment
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Bush lied! Nadel Sty’d!
Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.
Give me a break
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Jan 17, 2010 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Break me off a piece
Of that Kit Kat bar!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
'I like Kit-Kats, unless I'm with four or more people.'- Mitch Hedberg
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
hahahaha
I miss him
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Break me off a piece of that...
…football cream!…
…Chrysler car!…
…Fancy Feast! Got it, it’s the cat food.
choke on one
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Durrett
He puts two quotes from the Greenberg-Ryan statement in his story, but leaves out their statement that “there just isn’t much left to resolve.”
He’s trying to make news rather than report it.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions
Well if Bud has to be dragged into this ..
I’m sure his helping hand will make things run smoother than the steroid apocalypse.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2010 10:11 AM CST reply actions
Owners
I’m just glad Gilbert seems to have faded out of the picture. Last thing I want is some guy who just wants to buy a baseball team, any baseball team, and play with it like a new toy. Or worse, bring Kevin Towers in.
Go Rice Owls!
MY's friend Carson
Poor kid…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I saw that....sad, but he did alot in his short time.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Wow
That’s so weird.
It seems like we’ve had a rash of seemingly inexplicable deaths in the past year.
by Conjunction on Jan 17, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Looks like it's just a matter of time for the sale.
I’m looking forward to not having to talk about this as much.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
A small paragraph...
in the Chicago Tribune talks about the Lewis signing likely putting Feliz back in the ’pen.
Also insinuates that Lewis signed his deal with a two year guarantee to start.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I saw that
Seemed like speculation from Rogers, although I think it is a given that Neftali Feliz isn’t starting the season in the rotation, unless several someones get hurt.
My guess is that, barring injury, the rotation starts out as Harden, Feldman, McCarthy, Lewis, Hunter, with Holland and Harrison starting the season in AAA.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
McCarthy in the bigs with Holland in AAA? I don’t think I’d like that very much.
by Conjunction on Jan 17, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Well
McCarthy is out of options…the alternative is either to put McCarthy in the bullpen or trade him.
Either one of those things is possible, but I think it is more likely Holland is in AAA as the first guy to come up if and when one of the rotation members stumbles.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I like Hunter and he did great last season
But I really hope Holland can spend the whole season in the Majors. He’s going to be great this year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Would you prefer Hunter to start the season in AAA?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I'd prefer not having Lewis in the rotation to start the season, but
that’s probably not an option, so yes I’d rather see Hunter start the season in AAA. If it comes down to how they are looking in ST, my money is on Holland looking better than Hunter anyways.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I don't see how...
…you can put Hunter in AAA, and Holland in the major league rotation, after what they each did last year.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think you can go with the best pitcher out of the two
and tell the other one that they’ll be back in the rotation sooner rather than later. And again, I think that’s going to look like Holland coming out of ST.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
How much weight do you really want to put on spring training performance?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Enough to the extent that I'm deciding who starts in AAA for a month
If Holland in ST looks like he’s made adjustments to the Majors, then you have to go with him. He’s due for some regression from last season and if he shows up more polished as a pitcher this year, then he’s going to have a much greater sophomore season. And with his stuff, that could be one hell of a season.
And of course if the ST performance ends up not being representative of where Holland is in his development, you can switch to Hunter no later than a month in.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Disagree...
Hunter has earned a spot in the rotation because of his ’09 performance. Holland showed flashes, but struggled at times and spent very little time in AAA.
Hunter’s ‘09 > Holland’s (potential) ST ‘10. It’s really not close either.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Hunter's 09 performance was better
But he wasn’t that lights out to where I’m going to disregard each pitcher’s ceiling and where they are in their development. The biggest problem for Holland last season was giving up the long ball and part of that is going to get better due to simple regression. And the times he showed flashes, he was looking like an ace while Hunter, as good as he was, never looked that dominant.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
And that's fine...
Holland’s ceiling is higher than Hunter’s. Few will disagree with that. It doesn’t mean that Holland is the better pitcher right now though. You talk about their development. A strong case could be made that it is better for Holland’s development to start the year in OKC. Again, I think he should be in the Rangers rotation all year, but not at the expense of Hunter. Hunter showed last year that he is better prepared for the bigs right now. There is no shame in Holland starting a few games in OKC.
You can’t bump Hunter for Holland (if Holland has a good ST). Hunter has earned is rotation spot by performing in the regular season when it counts.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He performed for about 100 innings
and had a 4.10 ERA, 4.40 FIP, 4.79 xFIP, and 5.27 tRA. That’s better than what Holland did, but its not like we’re talking about him performing lights out or anything. I agree that he showed he was better prepared to pitch in the Majors than Holland, but that’s why I think we shouldn’t discount any adjustments and areas of improvement Holland shows in ST. A more polished Holland from last season is going to be just as good as Hunter if not better.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think the problem...
is that you’re putting too much emphasis on ST results. Any improvements and adjusts Holland makes in ST mean very little imo. He still has to be able to do that in regular season games.
ST is to get in shape and prepared for the regular season. Not to improve your game.
We shall have to agree to disagree on Holland/Hunter.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
i tend to agree with this view
ST can give you some idea of how a guy looks, but i dont think its a huge part in the overall body of information you draw from to make personnel decisions.
With Hunter having a pretty solid year in 09, and also having gotten some big league experience in 08, I think it’s only fair that a rotation spot is his to lose.
Im agnostic on whether it’d be better for Holland to refine things in AAA or with the Rangers, but either way I feel like he will be a contributing member of the big league rotation by the summer, and thats good with me.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 17, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
A strong case could be made that Holland doesn't need to be in the minors anymore
I think Holland’s 4.38 xFIP last year shows he’s ready for the Majors. I think him having nearly 7 Ks/9 last season with a K/BB ratio of 2.28 shows he’s ready for the Majors.
If Holland shows up to ST looking better and like he learned from his mistakes, then he’s going to be able to outperform Hunter this season. Hunter’s ready too, but he didn’t do enough last year to be able to force the Rangers hand into a guaranteed spot. When you actually have good candidates for the rotation, you’re going to need to do more than have 112 solid innings to guarantee you a spot. You can repeat that regular season line as much as you want, but there was still nothing about his season last year that gives him that indefinite right.
And I don’t know why you keep saying there’s no shame to starting Holland in the minors for a few games but feel that its completely unfair to start Hunter there for a few games. We all know its only a matter of time before a spot opens up somehow, so the better pitcher between Holland and Hunter should get to start. Its my prediction that Holland will be better, but its not like I’m saying he doesn’t have to do anything to earn that spot either.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Well
Hunter pitched 180+ innings in 2009, after pitching 170+ innings in 2008. He’s someone who you can feel comfortable will be able to give you innings without wearing down.
Holland pitched a little over 140 innings last year, and definitely seemed to struggle late in the year. That, in and of itself, seems to provide some basis for wanting to go slower with Holland, as compared to Hunter.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
it's all about consistency
if Dutch shows up with it, he’s a lock
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well it won't be for long
There will be injuries great and small.
by Black Francis on Jan 17, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Rotation
Having Brandon McCarthy and Colby Lewis in the rotation while Holland and Feliz are in the bullpen or AAA makes no sense to me at all. Particularly the fact that Lewis has likely jumped both of them.
For a team that in the end had sufficient money to spend this offseason, I have real concerns about how well we’ve spent it. I’m not sure we’ve improved the rotation much, if at all, we didn’t add any good OBP players, and we still have no proven alternatives at 1B or CF in the event Davis and/or Borbon struggle.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 17, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
We're talking about a 6+ month season
and guys who are 23 and 21 and who threw 142 and 108 innings last year. Making a big deal over either or both of them not being in the opening day rotation is without merit to me.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Holland
I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets handled the way the BoSox handled Buchholz last year…let him start the season in AAA, limit his innings, and have him on standby when you need a spot starter or to come up when someone in the rotation craps out.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
and I don’t see anything wrong with that. That could mean two weeks or two months, but it’s not like the club can’t make the move whenever they want. If we were talking about Kris Benson (or if Colby Lewis turns out to be Benson), I’d feel a little differently. But if these guys hold their own for a while, I think it bodes very well for the season.
And how often do the Rangers go into ST with a starting five and see those five make every start well into June?
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
How often
does any team see their opening five make every start that long?
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Didn't the Mariners go all season a few years ago
using only 5 starters? It was the first time in twenty years or something?
Usually the Rangers are onto their 6th starter by April 20th
Go Rice Owls!
I'd imagine if all goes well in ST,
Holland starts in the rotation for his ability and left-handedness. McCarthy or Lewis long man.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Hah. Good question. No answer. Good quandry.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I mentioned this...
the other day, but I think the Lewis signing means the Rangers would like to give Holland a little more time in OKC. I don’t agree with it, but I think Derek starts in AAA too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yeah...
It would be odd if Lewis didn’t start in the rotation after the deal he got.
I disagree with one spot in your rotation though. I know I’m in the minority, but I really do think Texas is going to give BGL every opportunity to be a starter. I think he and BMac battle for the last spot and the Rangers will either move McCarthy to the ’pen or deal him.
It will be interesting to see how all the pitching depth plays itself out.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Could be an advantageous situation
When the inevitable pitching injury occurs to another team in ST.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I think they're gonna have to deal McCarthy if they put CJ in the rotation
Because you’ve already got Nippert, who actually did better than McCarthy last year and has better stuff than McCarthy, for the swingman role. It’s either that or they start Feliz in the minors (which I would prefer, but I don’t think the Rangers want to do).
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Would leaving Holland in AAA...
benifit the Rangers as far as adding an extra year of service time or an extra year of arbitration.
I am uncertain of the rules
by death of the cool on Jan 17, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Only if he stayed down there for 3 or 4 months
Because he came up mid-season last year, his time table is pretty much set. He’ll be eligible for free agency after 2015, I think.
Go Rice Owls!
That doesn't seem right.
I agree that Lewis’s numbers in Japan are damned impressive, but it seems irresponsible to guarantee him a spot in the rotation when he hasn’t really proved himself in the big leagues just yet.
We're talking about Phil Rogers
I don’t think we should take a throw-away line from that guy too seriously.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
"It's like the second coming of Colby Lewis"
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
Not to get ahead of myself
as I’m going to be on pins and needles until the sale goes through, or at least until Greenberg and HIcks have an agreement, but I have a feeling that once/if Greenberg has the club, between speculation from commentators and actual evidence, we’re going to get beaten over the head with guesses over how long Greenberg and Ryan keep Daniels around. I guess that won’t be terribly different from 2007 and 2008, except that it could be going on during a fairly successful season.
I hope not.
You think Nolan is whispering not so nice things in Greenberg’s ear?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
There was a report
just after Greenberg won the 30 day window that Ryan and Daniels have never quite gotten on the same page. I think that Greenberg probably came into the process thinking highly of Daniels, but you have to know that he’ll go along with whatever Ryan decides in terms of GM.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ryan clean house after the season if the Rangers don’t match last year’s win total.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
I hope this doesn't turn into a Jordan/Bobcats type thing.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
That is pretty stupid of Ryan if so.....
Daniels has built this system into one of the top farms in baseball, and has a young team on the verge of breaking out.
He is most likely considered a top 10 GM right.
by death of the cool on Jan 17, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I say let him finish what he started.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Well
If the Rangers go 79-83 in 2010, I don’t know that it would be completely unreasonable for Nolan to say, Daniels can build a farm system and accumulate young talent, but he can’t make the moves to turn that into a championship team.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Now i agree with that
If the team falls apart….everyone should be concerned with their jobs.
by death of the cool on Jan 17, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that as well
I just don’t see this team going backwards. I mean how much worse can the offense be? I think the pitching might take a small step backwards but if the offense comes back the pitching doesn’t need to be great.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Given the offseason constraints, that's a pretty harsh conclusion to draw.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Yep
With very little money and basically being limited to making only small 1-2 year pick-ups, it seems pretty quick for a first year owner to fire JD. Also, with Nolan being involved in the the team as president currently, he’s got to be pretty aware of how limited this offseason’s options were.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think it would be unreasonable...
given that his hands were pretty much tied the last couple years.
JD has earned the right to be able to see what he built imo. I don’t think you can say Daniels can’t make moves to build a championship team when his owner won’t allow him to make those moves. JD hasn’t been very restricted financially. He deserves the opportunity to have a decent owner and to see results of the system he has built.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
This isn't the Bills in the 90's.
The Rangers haven’t been “just missing it” for a few years. We have a good farm system, so give JD some time. Not every move is perfect. Remember how bad most of 2000’s were. Patience.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
At the conclusion of 2010
JD will have been the GM for 5 years and he’s had exactly one season to date with a winning record and that only came after Nolan implemented massive change throughout the organization.
JD took over an organization that was 13 months removed from winning 89 games with a team whose best players were young. He was given a major bump in payroll and the minor league system he inherited was stocked with high level talent up and down the system.
How the hell has This Thing had one winning record since 2004?
The time for patience with JD is over and it’s time to win or get a new GM.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
well, hopefully the rangers win enough games where it would be very tough to get rid of him
the preceding post was a great success.
Agreed
but Daniels did not build the farm system all by himself. I wouldn’t be crushed to see him go unless they also cleaned out the scouting department, Levine, Preller, etc. If Daniels was the only one to go and someone came in that was smart enough not to change the player acquisition model I’d be ok with that.
I have a feeling, though, that the team will do well enough that it won’t be an issue.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
New GMs usually like putting their own people into place
Unless the owner forces their hand and that usually never ends up well. Also, those guys aren’t going to be here forever. Some will find better jobs and leave for those. JD doesn’t really get enough credit for putting those staff of guys together.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That is a huge part of the job
Find the right/smart/exceptional people, and hope to retain them as long as possible.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Part of my concern
is that they would clean out a lot of the front office, at least over the course of a year afterward. These guys do quite a few things differently than I would, but I like their net ability, and I would like for them to have a chance, as a group, to see this era through.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
It would be shocking to me...
…if they fired Daniels and kept the rest (or most of the rest) of the front office in place.
If Daniels gets fired, and someone new comes in, he’s going to bring in his own people and a lot of Daniels’ people will be gone.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
What a combo
Jerry Hairston closing in on deal with Padres. Will be teammates with his younger brother Scott.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Sirius/XM Radio in Less than 10 min
I will be on MLB Home Olate talking Rangers sale at 4:30pm CT
by Maury Brown on Jan 17, 2010 4:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I wish Dubya would have strangled him.
Problem solved.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
TAG...
is more awesome than 99% of anyone ever associated with the Texas Rangers.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 17, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Not if he goes on anymore "look how good MY is at third base!" tangents he ain't.
BTW, I found something I thought you would enjoy last night.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
You're way too young...
to be this bitter.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
+ 1 at this rate he'll be LBrooks by age 30
I did not ask you if you have herpes I said is that a hairpiece?!?
Maybe I'm just proof of reincarnation.
Or maybe it was too many Becker episodes when I was a kid, who knows.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I wasn't kidding when I said...
I’d made ousting Leno my life’s goal.
I want him gone from existence forever and ever.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 17, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
You see that guy in the back?
That guy, Tom Hicks…
I fucking hate that guy.
by bhudson on Jan 17, 2010 4:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
OT: NFL on CBS sucks
Only they could make the 2nd round of the playoffs boring.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Angels after Pineiro
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I saw Kenny Rogers Friday night
I congratulated him on the nice piece he was out with.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
was he smoking?
everytime I saw the gamblah he was always chiefin’ on some sort of lites.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
nope
Just getting out of a mini van with this hot looking girl then walked to his car and drove off.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
No looked more like a soccer mom
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Probably
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
the fact rogers was getting out of a mini-van = awesome
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
No shit
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
if I could appear everywhere with a driver and a minivan
I’d almost have my life complete
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
OT, I guess... Dayn Perry is a NO TALENT ASS CLOWN.
And he was long before today, but the latest evidence: He has a list of next years top free agents, and has Jeter ranked higher than Carl Crawford (and Jason Werth and Victor Martinez and Josh Beckett and Carlos Pena and Adam Dunn). First Jeter isn’t going anywhere, so it’s a moot point. But more importantly, would any respectable GM rate Jeter higher than Crawford at this point in their respective careers? I know Jeter gets lots of love, but wow.
Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship
Well
Yeah, probably. Jeter is a better player than Crawford.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wait
Do you think Crawford was better than Jeter in 2009?
Jeter had an edge of 50+ points of OPS on him, and he’s a shortstop, while Crawford is a LF.
Crawford is a very good player, but he’s not as good as Jeter…at least not yet. Maybe in a couple of years, but not now.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Out WAR-ed him too 7.4 to 5.5. In fact since 2004 (Crawford’s first good season), Jeets has compiled 30.8 WAR to Crawford’s 25.3.
Crawford has also never wOBA’d above .370, while Jeets mark for his entire career is .375.
No matter how much ya can’t stand him, Jeter is the better player to date.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I'd say they were comparable last year, but I'm not as smart as you guys.
Jeter had a nice year last year… probably his second best since he was Crawford’s age. And Jeter only had a higher OPS because he walks more… but if you add in Crawford’s extra 30 stolen bases, which makes each single a double (and each double a triple), it comes much closer to balancing out on OPS.
Also, Jeter is a mediocre defensive shortstop and Crawford could play center for a lot of teams. But most importantly, Jeter is due for a decline (given his age) and Crawford is in his prime.
Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship
No question
Jeter is at an age where he’s going to get worse, not better.
But you are being a little too dismissive of his OPS being because of walks…walks have value. And you can’t just add steals to slugging percentage and factor that into OPS…if you look at EQA or wOBA, which factor in steals, Jeter is still the better offensive player.
Also, Crawford could perhaps play CF for some teams, but he wouldn’t be a good defensive CF.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said, I'm not as smart as you guys.
I just go with my gut like Wash. And I hate Jeter. I probably should have mentioned that before.
Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship
ATTA BOY JEETS!!!
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Im loving it boomer
that story is still top 5 for me…
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by PM Productions on Jan 17, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
I know
I still laugh about it. Everytime I hear or read Jeters name all I can think of is Atta boy JEETS!!
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Why do people hate Jeter,
other than his uniform?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Chicks dig the jump throw.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Ill play
I think a lot of hate for him comes from the fact that he is immensely overrated.
Jeter is a great player, but some, mostly the media, want to make Jeter into one of the all time greats and that simply isnt appropriate.
Fuck Mike Estabrook
I think he is.
If he retired today, he’d be a legitimate HOFer. But he ain’t retiring, so he’ll likely end up top 5 all time in hits, top 10 in runs, around 300 HRs from SS, and the leader of at least 5 champs.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
this extrapolation sounds HOF worthy to me
I did not ask you if you have herpes I said is that a hairpiece?!?
that's the only reason for me
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
The same reason I hate Michael Young
The way the media and the fair weather fans fawn over him annoys to no end. Even if he played for a mediocre franchise like the Rangers, there’d probably still be that effect.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
by lonestarJon on Jan 18, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
This is probably the main reason I can't stand Jeter, too.
Especially the way announcers and commentators fellate his ego even when he’s not playing in the game they’re watching.
But yeah, the jump throws don’t help.
And I still stand by my original statement...
Dayn Perry is a NO TALENT ASS CLOWN. Any disagreement there?
Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship
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