CJ Wilson Signs for $3.1 Million
The Rangers have agreed to terms with pitcher C.J. Wilson on a one-year deal. That knocks out another potential arbitration hearing. Still left are Josh Hamilton, Frank Francisco, Scott Feldman and Chris Ray.
Wilson agreed to a salary of $3.1 million.
Wilson was 5-6 with a 2.81 ERA and 14 saves for the Rangers in 2009.
about 2 years ago
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Thats a lot
or at least sounds like a lot
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 18, 2010 6:24 PM CST reply actions
it's definitely more than I expected
especially after the Lewis signing.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well worth it
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
yup he earned it
and is in a good position to earn another like it in 2010
by Black Francis on Jan 18, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
But we better not hear him bitching about wanting to start or close anymore, though.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I was wondering if someone would rock that.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 18, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I still want this as his intro theme song
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2010 9:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We got to the point by the end of the season where we chanted it everytime he got an out
It was pretty cool
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2010 9:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so now you know cj?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 19, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
I want this to play every time he gets pulled off the mound...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 2:16 AM CST up reply actions
About what was expected.
I think Feldman and FX2 will get about the same. Ray will lkely be ~$1M, imho.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
He can buy a lot of clove cigarettes with that.
by cmkelly29 on Jan 18, 2010 7:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He could buy some more land for his ranch
more cool guns or bad ass porsches…
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
yeah, he's in Texas
can never have enough guns
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
like one's that think Galloway knows what he's talking about
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
but he blew some games
and has such a care-free attitude! He’s like the opposite of David Eckstein, Darin Erstad, and Derek Jeter. They’re real gamers, cuz they win.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Sorry, I’ve seen the guy since the day he was first called up. He’s too inconsistent and is apparently a total asshole. Blueglovelefty whines because he can’t talk politics with his teammates, boo hoo.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 18, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Jeez...
What has formed your opinion that declares him “a total asshole”?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
hello,
he said it was apparent
(sarcasm font)
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
flipping the ball to the manager after totally blowing a game, complaining how he wants to be closer but isn’t getting a shot, hiding an injury from the team just cause he wants to play (apparently), he thinks he’s better than the fans just cause he’s a baseball player (strongly implied by him), can’t get properly motivated for games without outside sources involved, like Ozzie Guillen… showing he doesn’t really care for the team and winning, but still wants an active role. yada yada..
by Mike E on Jan 19, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec to the fucking rec
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Bucky
How can you even make an case that he isn’t a douche.
Case for being a good pitcher…I’ll give ya that.
But his douche file overflows.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Classic film, character, and line
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
That is greatness
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
I am waiting for Vizinni...
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 19, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
You're basing your character judgment on:
a) flipped the ball once to his manager— this is clearly an emotional reaction to a poor on-field performance… I’m hardly going to judge a player for that
b) his statement that baseball players are generally d-bags. I can’t judge him for this bc I played ball up to and including college and %-wise, baseball players (and athletes in general) are douche-bags
c) you think he can’t pitch in pressure situations EVER, but if you’ll take a moment to realize how narrow-minded you are being and look at his game log last year, you’ll see that he pitched in several high-stress situations and dominated the game for us.
Most words ever in a Mike E post
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
i'm 100% shocked right now
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 19, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
If Michael Young...
had flipped the ball to the manager, it’d be called “gritty” and showing “leadership.”
You honestly have a problem with CJ vocalizing that he wants to have an important role with the team?
When has he said he thinks he’s better than the fans? Dude throws a Guitar Hero show for charity and fans a couple of times a year and talks to any fan that wants to know anything from him online. That’s a horseshit accusation.
When has he ever shown that he “doesn’t care for the team and winning”?
You can’t just makes up shit and pretend it is real to make it easier for you to believe it.
P.S. Flipping the ball to the manager was showing that he cared about winning, if you asked me. He was upset that he hadn’t done a good job. Should he have done it? No. Does it make him this mythical douche that you guys seem to think he is because he doesn’t just shut up and play ball? No, it doesn’t.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Not real sure MY
wasn’t getting the DB treatment last year at this time!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I just don't see...
being something other than uniformly the same as your peers as “douchey.”
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
It never ceases to amaze me how so many guys on this blog will jump to a player’s defense if anything negative is said about him. I ripped on McCarthy about a year ago and people freaked out like I punched their grandmother. Calm down, guys.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 19, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Well when you say things like
“apparently a total asshole” that are either completely untrue or based on nothing but conjecture you’re going to get alot of responses.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 19, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm...
did someone say something about the posters on the DMN blog?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think it is because CJ most memorable moments last year....
seemed to be when he was at his worst….The Twins game in Minnesota and the Tigers game early in the season comes to mind. I remember an extra inning game with Toronto when he couldn’t locate a pitch.
He also seemed to get himself in a ton of trouble by allowing the first batter to reach alot and walking to many batters.
His overall numbers were good, but when he meltdowns…. its as bad as chernobyl.
by death of the cool on Jan 18, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
He was the best freaking RP on the team
People just have selective memory with him, because he’s kind of a douche.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
He's a candid douche
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2010 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is this guy a Douche or a Ninja...?
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
So...
anyone in martial arts is a douche?
I’m with GoET on this. I don’t understand all the BGL hate. The guy is quirky, sure, but is it just because he’s different or likes different things than most people that makes him a douche?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I didn't say martial arts dudes are douches...
But blowing leads all the time and whining….well that is douchery.
But HE is our Douche!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
That picture...
I think is from a review of a video on self-defense techniques. I remember reading the review on Cracked. As I recall, the video is pretty douchey.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Is that guy laying down a drag bunt...
and if so shouldn’t Ceej be holding his breath!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
baseball players better stay off the Internet and they’d sure as hell better not have interests other than playing baseball or they’re douches…apparently.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Doucher...
b/c he draws needless attention to himself all the fucking time!!!
Then goes on LSB and posts pics of dudes balls……wait…uh wrong guy..
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
haha...
Well, again. I don’t think he’s doing it in a “look a me, look at me!” way. He just happens to be a baseball player who also uses the same social networky things that you and I are using.
If I played baseball, I’d still want to be able to have a website where I say Jay Leno should be carpet bombed.
I just don’t think it’s automatically douchey to not be vanilla.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think his...
social networking is what makes him douchey.
It’s the constant whinning. He finally finds a valuable spot on our roster, but he isn’t happy being number 2 in the pen. That is douchery, putting yourself above the team!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
I've never heard...
CJ’s conversations with the front office about his job or job performance. But, if you’d like to enlighten us, please do.
If the front office doesn’t want CJ starting, he isn’t going to start. He hasn’t started in years and was arguably the team’s best reliever last year. Not starting last year didn’t make him put himself above the team.
I guess I missed where CJ said if he isn’t a starter next year he’s going to quit the Texas Rangers team.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
You know
damn well they are throwing him a fucking bone. It makes no sense to make him a starter. At the rate he stackes up pitch counts he’ll be a % inn guy.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
that at all. And neither do you.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty good defense...
I guess we will have to let it play out. But it’s possible either of us are correct.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
Or neither of us are correct...
and CJ is actually a baseball playing shape-shifter from the planet Glorblex fool-heartedly learning the ways of the American pastime for a special report back home.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Who hangs with Chris Berman...
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
That was at the espy's
you are an idiot
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 19, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get the perception...
of CJ as a douche. It’s mildly infuriating to me.
So he has a personality. So what? Do you want him to Michael Young it up and be the most vanilla person on the planet just because he is paid a lot of money to play baseball?
If he blogs and uses Twitter to allow a level of access to him by fans, which he doesn’t have to do, as evidence by 99% of the other players in the league, what’s the problem? That should be a good thing.
Though honestly, I don’t even think it’s a fan attention thing. If anything, he’s just like you or I, he happens to like to use the Internet to talk about about of crap.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
It pisses me off. Because people get upset at players like C.J. (who express their legitimate opinion), interviews and player statements have become pointless, insincere statements by the player’s agent through the player’s mouth
I don't know quite what it is
But he’s just not very easy for most people to like. I started off as a big fan of his blog and everything, but it grew old rather fast, especially when he flew his true colors in the douchebag-gate incedent.
Whether it’s intentional or not he’s just got this “look at me bro, I’m cool!” air about him, and it’s damned annoying, especially on days when he’s not pitching well enough to make you ignore it.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I've kinda gone back and forth on his personality
but I don’t give a shit what you on your own time. He’s paid to do what he does on the mound. And I like what he does on the mound
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
As long as he pitches close to like he did last year, I could care less about his annoying persona.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I think CJ will continue to keep getting better for a while
He’s a guy with great talent, just needs some more time/coaching to really bring it all together
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think it would be pretty hard to improve on last year, myself
Career highs in K/9, FIP and tRA, among other things.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I'm hoping he can be a learn to keep his cool to avoid a few of the huge
meltdowns he can be prone to. Maybe even then some of the same people who have such a selective memory with him will fade away.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I agree....He used to be our Nuke LaLoush
but he has improved each of the last couple of years and admittedly has great stuff…..I’m not really all that upset about the ‘starter’ stuff, seems he has more ‘pitches’ than the usual reliever and that (more options) gets him in trouble. He very well might be a better than average starter…. a lefty who throws 95-96 with movement on a lot of pitch options…..The Rangers have damn sure started out working with less!
Flew his true colors?
Do you even disagree with what he said? Because if you say you do, practically every post you make on here would make your disagreement hypocritical.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with the idea that baseball players are idiots
But you can’t throw your teammates under the bus like that for one thing, and for another, he can’t exclude himself from that group. Which, I think, is part of what makes his persona so annoying. He basically said he regards himself as a smarter/better person than his teammates, which is an incredibly douchy and stupid thing to say.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
If baseball players...
didn’t have their gigantic egos, that we feed into, mind you, maybe they could realize that having interests outside of baseball isn’t a bad thing.
Of course, if they do, they’re labeled a “douche,” apparently.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Jesus fucking christ, he wasn't throwing anyone under the bus.
Just shut the fuck up.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 2:20 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
you little ball of hate.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 19, 2010 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda what peeps think of you then?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I don't have a "look at me bro, I'm cool" attitude.
I’m fucking annoying, but that’s not how I’m annoying.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Really?
24/7 with you typing how other people suck, or are douches, or are dumb?
You may want to stop typing and let that thought sink in…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
It's a baseball site man
We’re all here to dispense our meaningless opinions on all things Ranger related. I probably do it more than anyone else here, yeah.
But that doesn’t correlate to calling your teammates stupid d-bags.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Uh, yeah
I jumped into the thread kinda late, so…but athletes as a whole have to be very self-centric, or else they would never succeed. And mostly, stupid d-bags.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Right
Which describes CJ as much as describes anyone he was trying to criticize.
I just don’t like the way he tries to distance himself from his peers by acting like he’s the super-enlightened Luke Skywalker of ballplayers. While it’s true that this isn’t something exclusive to CJ, the fact that he tries hard at it is what makes so annoying, at least to me. If that makes any sense.
That said, he’s still an awesome pitcher, and that’s what we should focus on, not so much whether or not we like his attitude or not. I’m pretty sorry I started this whole subthread, at this point, because it’s focus has gone off the deep end in the wrong direction.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
It's funny, Fx2 had some mound meltdowns
and who can forget the incident in Oakland? Moral- No hablo espanol
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
why would hitting an A's fan with a chair be seen as bad
He’s basically my hero
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hitting an A's fan
is bad not Douchey
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Hitting an A's fans ugly old lady
is maybe even anti-douchery!
oh, damn, you reminded me of that Boston game last year
that one was painful
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
If he had a blog...
he’d be a complete douche for that loss.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 18, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
kind of a douche
He has a masters in Douchery
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
What has he done to get his masters in douchery?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Caring about fashion more than....
Baseball! Changing glove color with unis! Blowing leads b/c he thinks he needs to nibble the fucking plate.
My question to you is what makes him not a Bag of Douche?
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Okay...
well there are a lot of players then that would be douches in your eyes. Is every player that wears the long baseball pants a douche? That’s a fashion thing. How about the hat tilt? Does that make CC a douche?
And do you really think he’s trying to blow leads? No pitcher is perfect. It happens. The guy does his job more often than most pitchers do. Does he over-think a situation from time to time, probably, but that hardly makes him a douche.
He’s not douche to me because I don’t know the guy. Perhaps he is, and maybe he isn’t. I don’t know, and I really don’t think you do either.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Well
Tilting the hat is Gansta,
Long pants is something but douchery,
He blows leads b/c he gets all Jason Garrett being cute and shit.
Dude with his shit should be dominant….period!
Stop making excuses for the guy he isn’t being all he can be!!!!
He ain’t Dusty Tits he should be held to a higher standard.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Is this a bit?
Do you really think his performance last year was even close to Nippert’s?
He was dominant last year. He had 2 or 3 outings that were really bad. The rest of the year the guy was filthy. I think you need to look at his numbers again. I’m not making excuse for him at all. It just seems to me that you are trying too hard to find reasons to hate the guy. Did he fuck your girlfriend or something?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I said he wasn't....
Nippert. Said we should judge him for what he is not like some long relief guy. Judge him against other in his position against other setup men. Though if he wasn’t a douche he’d be a closer.
He did have moments of greatness, but constantly worked deep into counts. What if he regresses back to 2008 and starts walking the entire planet?
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Nippert
I’ll take 70 innings of 3.88 ERA ball out of my long man any day.
"To have the judgment and wisdom and personal touch of Nolan Ryan, and the tremendous group that JD has assembled, I think the Rangers on the baseball side are the envy of every franchise in baseball in terms of talent."
-- Chuck Greenberg
You won't get that
this year!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
why is going deep in counts a bad thing
other than Rangers, one of the ideas of late inning at-bats is to be more patient. like, the ‘protect the plate/don’t give away our last few outs’ approach.
And the king and prince of all douchers happen to be closers for the Mets and Red Sox
by kevinkinsler on Jan 18, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
This is where the CJ dislike gets out of hand
Is when it blinds people to the fact that he’s still damn good.
He WAS dominant last year, see. The best he’s ever been in his career, and pretty much the best RP in the bullpen. Don’t know what people want from him performance wise, if last year wasn’t good enough for ya.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
yeah i dont really think he's bad or even a jerk
he just seems like some1 who has to draw attention to himself at all times. fine, but you better not lose the closers job and be the constantly yappy guy. or be percieved as one upping team mates and coaches whether it was wash when he was pulled after an implosion or coming of as a headier player than his teammates in public. look i dont care. but if your gonna be straight edged cool closer guy brainiac lefty role, your asking for it. if you look like you need a shot of blow nevermind a cold beer everytime a guy gets on, well…. im not even gonna mention the fact that he never seems satisfied with his role, no matter what it is.
he does his job. but he’s now getting paid enough that he better.
CJ is the least of our problems though.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
I'm actually less convinced that he's a douche
after all the weak arguments that he is one.
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
You're the douche, man
Seriously, CJ Wilson has never done anything that bad. And it’s not like you’re just saying it once; you’re calling this guy you’ve never meant a douche over and over and you’re going from reason to reason.
The guy can pitch and that’s all you should care about. And if you don’t believe he can pitch, visit an optometrist, a psychologist, a math teacher, or somebody that can help you with this deficiency.
by Black Francis on Jan 18, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
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by rlb02a on Jan 19, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What I'm saying is this
Yes he is a good pitcher. But would you feel good with him in the 8th inning of game 7 in the ALCS. I woudn’t! He put up some nice numbers but he melts under real pressure.
I’ll say it again he has better stuff than his numbers say (which I realize are good).
But you can be a douche, a choke artist, or a whiner and still be a good ball player.
Also having your setup guy with a 1.33 whip isn’t dominant good try though.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take him
in the 9th inning of the 7th game of the World Series.
by Black Francis on Jan 18, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
What so we could watch him...
not give the ball to Wash after he allowed the tying run!
Almost forgot not giving your manager the ball is a douche move!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like a douche to me....!
Game Over!
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
stop whining
did you ever consider that maybe he cares so much about doing well that his emotions get the better of him? Did you ever think that maybe he is so focused on doing well that he psyches himself out?
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 18, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take him in the 8th inning of a game 7.
The 17th best FIP and xFIP among all RP’s in baseball in 2009, coupled with a 10.26 K/9 and the 17th best HR/9 is dominant any way you slice it. He’s one of the top two pitchers in our bullpen.
You can not like him as a person (I don’t particularly, as I’ve stated in this thread) but trying use that deny that he’s one of the best relievers on this team, and was among the better RP’s in baseball last year is fucking ignorant.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Have you watched him
He NEVER has pitched well under pressure…..ever. He is a fucking meltdown machine. If he was so good why isn’t he our closer anymore.
HINT: It isn’t his stuff….
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Really Bucky
Answer the question?
Why isn’t he our closer?
He has better stuff than FX2
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Good reply Bucky
Seemed to avoid the question though?
Maybe you can copy and paste more of my postings.
It"s great that you mirror you idol.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
That's harsh bro
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Because Fx2 "won" the "closer" role at the end of 2008.
But “closer” is an outmoded idea in the first place. Whether or not a guy is officially a “closer” shouldn’t have anything to do with evaluating how good he is.
Mike MacDougal is supposedly a “closer” for fucks sake.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
He did win it
Ceej lost it.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
CJ was also hurt that season
He rebounded this year to being one of the top 20 RP’s in baseball.
What more could you possibly want from him?
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Gagree
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I think I started that...
Vince Young stated on national TV after he won the title that he wanted to get his college gagree.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Nice, thanks
It’s always annoyed me— unnerving to read, bc I have a hard time hearing it in my head
But now I’m glad it has reference :)
Yet still has
better stuff than FX2…so what is the difference….its douchery…
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
That statement doesn't even make any sense.
Basically what you’re saying you think is CJ sucks because he’s got an annoying attitude, and/or because you don’t think he’s “clutch”.
I don’t like his attitude either, but it doesn’t have a damn thing to do with how good a pitcher he is.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
From his own mouth
"I lost again. That’s the bottom line."
C.J. Wilson
LOL
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
More CJ
"I love relieving. The adrenaline you have as a starter has a chance to wear you out, but as a reliever it helps you."
C.J. Wilson quote
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
That sure...
sounds like a guy that wants to quit on his team.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Funny he wants to start now
sounds like a guy who is full of shit…
By the way nobody said he wanted to quit.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
How different...
is implying he doesn’t care about winning or the team?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
There is a difference
winning=dollars
he cares about that.
There was no implying
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
I don't know...
exactly why you keep inferring that CJ only cares about money.
There’s absolutely no reason to believe that and nothing that’s been reported that would even remotely make me think that were the case.
I mean, I could see someone being annoyed that he puts himself out there and likes to do stuff that baseball players don’t normally do. I get that. I don’t agree with it, but I can understand why someone would be annoyed by it.
That said, I don’t get the “he’s in it for the money” nonsense you’re on.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
More CJ
For 8 2-3 innings, we pitched pretty well. I just happened to be on the wrong end of the home run balls tonight."
C.J. Wilson quote
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a guy who was being content with his situation
and now he is a guy who is striving to be able to help the team in a larger role
Toting the company line are we...
CJ wants to up his value before he hits FA. No suprise it’s all about him.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
no reason to continue talking to you about this after that statement.
That’s completely asinine.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
And as far CJ not being "clutch" goes
His LOB%‘s around 75 3 out of the last 4 seasons, the exception being 2008 when he was hurt, which I think you can safely call an outlier. The average LOB% is around 70-1, so he’s been above-average at stranding runners most of the last few years.
He also held batters to a 643 OPS with RISP last year, and 623 with men on. In 2007 those numbers where 731 and 461. 2006 and 2008 weren’t as shiny, but one was an outlier season and the other was before things really clicked for him in ’07.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Well, not intangibles like "good face" "gritty performance" or "veteranness", no.
I think talent and ability to produce runs is what wins you baseball games. Good instincts, good batting eye, stuff like that, that gets filed under talent, IMO.
But “intangibles” as they’re presented in the media, not really.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Prerequisite to being an athelete
Talent
Talent
Overrated.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I disagree, but fair enough
And would you consider these “mental talents”?
Leadership can be overrated. But, in baseball I think it’s important.
For instance, if your team is down by 6 runs, it is easy to not hustle every play, dive for ground balls, etc. However, a good leader on the team can inspire others to focus and try harder. Just my opinion.
There are tons of talented-as-hell athletes who can either be drive to greatness by leadership or fall to the way-side
Talent to me includes the ability, fortitude and focus to use it
If you can’t figure out how to use your tools, or you need someone on your ass constantly to get you to play up to your highest level, well, you’re just not that good.
Leadership and presence have a certain importance and a role, true, but they shouldn’t be valued to the point where they outweigh actual ability to produce on the field. That’s why you have coaches there, to lead and inspire the players. You shouldn’t have to sacrifice a lineup spot just so you can get your team rah-rah’ed up.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Fair enough
I guess I just consider “mental talents” as intangible ones, bc you can’t put a number on them
Yes
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Him ...
understanding where his role is and being happy with it would be a nice start.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
If nibbling the corner's makes him a douche
then he’s damn sure guilty!
Oday was probably the best
But BGL was definitely 2nd. Either way, I don’t have a problem with the deal. Some people get placed in a bad light whether they deserve it or not.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 18, 2010 10:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would like to add....
That I am on board with CJ, and he needs to be a huge part of our bullpen for us to compete…
cut down on the control problems (much of it seems to be him trying to paint the corners) and just go after the hitters
by death of the cool on Jan 18, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
apathetic about Wilson
Great stuff, sometimes dominating, then suddenly he’d give up a 3-run homer. But he’s the best option we have right now and is capable of closing. Just please don’t start him.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
+1
Loves it.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 19, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
In other news
The Longhorns are getting ready to lose their first game of the season. They still have a damn good team though.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Yep,
and K-State really hasn’t looked that good, Texas was bound to have a let down after that Aggie game the other day.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Agreed
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Kansas has gotta be lickin' their chops
’cause both teams (UT, KSt) looked like shit!
Terrible shooting, no 3 pt threats, awful (I knew it would eventually catch up to UT) FT shooting.
I’d like to say UT had ONE bad game but back to back with the A&M game….UGLY!
hey at least
we arent paying bobby jenks 7.5M
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 18, 2010 10:44 PM CST reply actions
word
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 18, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Bobby>CJ
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 18, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
?
not getting you
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 18, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
He's talking about
the pretty big difference in salary. Would you rather have CJ for 3 or Jenks for 7.5?
Just commenting on how overpaid RPs are
and the fact that I agree with you on Jenks > CJ (however, this wasn’t the case last year)
However, I’d much rather have C.J. plus the $4M difference in their salaries, than Jenks
So right now
if you could trade CJ for Bobby Jenks straight up, would you do it?
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 19, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
If it meant we had to cut $4M from our payroll, then no
if it meant $4M was just added to the payroll, then yes
just player for player
dont worry about our shitty payroll situation right now… if we could without ill effects on the teams payroll, I would take Jenks and his money for CJ and his money right now in a second
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 19, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
still wouldn't
it’s much harder to find a shut down lefty than a shut down righty
Nobody is perfect, i am nobody, therefore, i am perfect
Tough to say
C.J. – Lefty, higher K-rate, Last 3 ERA+: {2007: 151, 2008: 74, 2009: 165)
Jenks – Righty, better BB-rate, Last 3 ERA+: {2007: 170, 2008: 174, 2009: 125}
I’d take Jenks if there were no monetary considerations… but it doesn’t change my point. Barry Zito is better than Dustin Nippert, but I’d never make the trade
Nope
Not even if they were giving us $4m with Jenks.
Jenks is bigger doucher than CeeJ.
Cj may be a douche….but he is our douche
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
If Lewis ends up in the bullpen,
will this be the highest paid bullpen we’ve ever had?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
not here
but they did have that pen that time in which they paid Jay Powell and Todd Van Poppel a bunch of money. I don’t remember how much but considering what they got out of them that was the most overpaid Rangers bullpen ever.
by Black Francis on Jan 19, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Even if
we end up paying Frankie about 6 million, it’s still only 15 million or so for the entire bullpen.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
OT: Mariners locking up the King multiyear
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4837939
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
F the mariners
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, wow!
You posted something worthwhile…
Congrats!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
except he owns an M's hat
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
Like hell
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
by Spadedsnake on Jan 19, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
You hope to one day...
be out of the very PINNACLE of the type of job you’re qualified for and the job you’d been working 17 years for while having an entire staff lose their job as well all to someone who took the job from you under suspicious circumstances?
That doesn’t too appealing to me.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
Well I'm impressed with your well-placed priorities away from money
but I’m too young and immature to see it that way
$45M and I would be a partial-owner of the Texas Rangers next year
I wish I had...
$45 million too. :(
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Fuck off, douche-nozzle!
I’M SOOO SORRY…..
(pardon me, couldn’t let the opportunity slide by…)
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Because
there are a few gigantic douches on this blog at the moment.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Just seems kind of pointless to argue over if someone is a "douche" or not.
I’m not sure I get it, but you all have fun.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Last CJ douche remark until he does something else stupid
CJ Wilson:2nite: writing at home/ portable ghetto dj- using serato+itunes simultaneously to cross fade because I’m too lazy to spin while I write
Maybe a guy who writes shit like this isn’t a douche bag. If so I truly am wrong.
"There are two girls that can take a pounding!" Tom Grieve
I'll tell you one thing...
Spade knows douche.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
x
If I didn’t know better — and I don’t — I’d say he was intimately familiar with it.
by Black Francis on Jan 19, 2010 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
His posts kind of reek of vinegar.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
red or white?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
by lost in space on Jan 19, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
Well, the whole cloying as mother fucking ass shit "to douche or not to douche" argument aside, this is about what I'd've figured he'd get.
Kinda wish we’d tried to lock him up for 3 or 4 years, but ownership isn’t exactly settled at this point so that’s not really realistic at this point.
Plus relievers are inherently risky so I’m not sure going 3 or 4 years even for a guy as good as Ceej is a great idea.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
I can't believe you guys argued for 200 comments as to C.J.'s supposed "doucheness".
Anyway, happy to see Ceej back.
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot-oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such-and-such.
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There's just apparently something about CJ Wilson that rubs people the wrong way...
and I don’t get it. He seems like anyone else you’d find on this or any other blog other than the fact that he happens to play professional sports as well.
It’s hypocritical to call him a “douche” and not turn the mirror on ourselves.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 4:42 AM CST up reply actions
plus that chick on his left is wearing a wig....that is a wig isn't it?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 19, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I fear a shark has been jumped tonight
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Jan 19, 2010 6:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, he was always gonna be back seeing as how he wasn't a FA, it was just a question of how much.
I’ll admit I let myself get sucked into the vortex of douche for just long enough to get really angry at all the stupid being bandied about, but it’s not my fault cause I was insanely giddy at the fact that for the first time in it seems like forever I opened up a thread with 200+ comments and it wasn’t a Josey being Josey handjobapalooza festival.
I mean, that’s something, right?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
One-week moratorium on the word "douche."
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 19, 2010 4:54 AM CST reply actions
But then how will I describe my personailty to inquiring fatties and/or shemales on AdultFriendFinder.com?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 7:12 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
a polarizing wordsmith.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 19, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Prospect Insider's Jason Churchhill on Felix's extention...
http://prospectinsider.com/view/felix,-m%27s-ace/
Now, after the initial feelings of jealousy and rage, I noticed this:
The money given to Hernandez in now (sic) way affects what’s available for Zduriencik to offer Lee. Having said that, I think there is very little chance Lee stay in Seattle, and I all but guarantee he doesn’t sign an extension prior to free agency.
[I actually have a feeling Lee ends up signing with the Texas Rangers next winter, but we’ll talk about that when the time comes.]
I wonder what his reasoning on this possibility is?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 7:00 AM CST reply actions
More likely than Newberg's Josh Beckett dreams.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I'd much rather have Beckett
and if Lee has a great season, I imagine they’ll get comparable contracts (- a few years)
Yeah, I'd rather have Beckett too
He’s younger and he’s had a better career than Lee. Right now he looks like he’s gonna be the top dog on the FA pitching market, which likely puts him outta our price range even with new ownership and a division title under our belt.
Of course, if C-Lee puts up batshit crazy #’s in the cavernous Safeco this year, that could change.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Ever since Lee burned me a few years in fantasy
I’ve been weary bc he has been inconsistent over the course of his career
That being said, it does kind of look like he figured something out in 2008
I'm guessing the reasoning has a lot to do with us being an up and coming team without a lot of long term big money contracts and (probably) a new owner in town looking to make a splash of some sort.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 7:19 AM CST up reply actions
How would your baseball pants...
react to such a move, Dirky?
This is always important to gauge.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 19, 2010 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Sans the fucking Angels-ness, natch.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
Is that a baseball in your pants
or are you just happy to see Lee?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
btw, don't ever search for images of "baseball bulge"... cause, oh fuck.
This is the closest I’ve been to throwing up sober in a long fucking time.
Not kidding.
Just… fuck, man.
Jesus.
I’m gonna vomit I think.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"Don't let the haircut fool you. I'm exceedingly wealthy." -Bill Gates.
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
Jason Churchhill know his shit about the M's
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 19, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
or knows
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 19, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
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