Jon Daniels says Colby Lewis will be in the Ranger Opening Day rotation
Per T.R. Sullivan, Colby Lewis, Scott Feldman, and Rich Harden are the three guys who have spots locked up in the Opening Day rotation.
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This gets more and more intriguing
Can’t way to see him pitch.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
So
Now that he’s back, can we expect the Hardline to revive the “Colbra Lewis” nickname?
"To have the judgment and wisdom and personal touch of Nolan Ryan, and the tremendous group that JD has assembled, I think the Rangers on the baseball side are the envy of every franchise in baseball in terms of talent."
-- Chuck Greenberg
What kind of comparison can we make between the Japanese league and MLB in terms of competition?
AAA? AAAA?
A small comp
http://www.helium.com/items/191386-comparing-japanese-baseball-pitchers-in-major-league-baseball
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Guess that clears up whether Lewis is in the pen or rotation...
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
Damn it Adam.
We had almost a week of BS news with nothing changing and now today we have a million posts out. Would you please tell those guys to spread this crap out some? I can’t take this.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
i don't want to be Josey-ish this year
but I envision Colby Lewis being my whipping boy all year long.
Unlike Josey, I will admit that I am wrong should he prove me wrong.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Jeeeeeeeez,
How many times to I have to publicly admit when I’m wrong?
I’m not expecting anything of quality from Cobra Lewis and if Oakland, Seattle or LAAA had signed we’d all be laughing our asses off at them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
i'm sure it'll be something to the effect of how
he picked the Rangers to win a lot fewer games last year, but then he’ll provide a reason he was so off by saying something about how he didn’t anticipate Chris Davis sucking so much and Hank F. getting so much playing time.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Yes, I've had opinions that were wrong.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/6/710342/tuesday-morning-things#11195667
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
So, now that I've demonstrated that I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong
what are everybody’s Cobra Lewis predictions?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Lots of stroke face.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
And
yes, this signing is without a doubt another clear example that JD isn’t submitting anything to this off-season to Nolan Ryan for approval.
He’s counting on somebody who has never had success in The Show to be a part of the rotation next season.
That’s how you know it’s JD’s move all the way.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Worst comment ever.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That's JD's track record, Ryin.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Whatever you say my man.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Just a minute fuck face
Nolan has signed off on all transactions this offseason,
Who gives a shit what Josey says.............................
by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Jan 19, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Somewhere b/w Matt Garza and Gavin Floyd
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Somewhere between Garza & Floyd
would be 200 IPs with a 4 ERA.
“That’s a bold statement.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Yep. I'm excited about this
Nothing to really go on, except hoping his numbers translate well over here. And that he’s found the control that was missing.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
It just seems that if the rest of MLB
really thought Lewis had something that he’d cost more than 2 years / $ 5 million.
IF Lewis can give us 150 IPs with an ERA under 5, that’s a nice find.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Garza- if he hits top end potential
Closer to Floyd, and I’m happy. I admit to being very optimistic.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Lewis
And perhaps one of the reasons the Rangers were willing to go 2 years/$5 million was because they know the player.
Maybe it’s just me, but if another team had signed one of the aces of the Japanese league the past 2 years running to a 2-year, $5 million deal to pitch stateside, I’d be wondering why the Rangers weren’t in on that guy.
A lot of the negative reaction to this signing seems to be that it’s Colby Lewis, Failed Ranger Prospect. What’s to say he hasn’t finally harnessed that talent that made him a top prospect, and for once, the Rangers will actually get to reap the rewards of a pitcher they drafted & developed?
"To have the judgment and wisdom and personal touch of Nolan Ryan, and the tremendous group that JD has assembled, I think the Rangers on the baseball side are the envy of every franchise in baseball in terms of talent."
-- Chuck Greenberg
RC, What are you expecting from Lewis in 2010?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
160-170 innings, 4.70 ERA
"To have the judgment and wisdom and personal touch of Nolan Ryan, and the tremendous group that JD has assembled, I think the Rangers on the baseball side are the envy of every franchise in baseball in terms of talent."
-- Chuck Greenberg
that'd be well worth the money
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 19, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
really
Hunter has pitched >170 innings the last two years. (ML and MiL). He had an ERA+ of 113 and an era of 4.10. But now he has to fight for a job in ST. Hunter will out pitch Lewis in 2010.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
I don't see how Hunter and Lewis are "fighting" for a roto spot...
There are 5 spots. We know Harden, Feldman, and Lewis have 3. There’s 2 left, and Hunter probably has an inside track to a spot.
I guess what I’m saying is I don’t see why adding Lewis means no Hunter or less Hunter. They aren’t mutually exclusive things.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 19, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
I definitely agree
I think Lewis costs either BMac or Holland the spot.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
As I've said several times
if all he does is put up adequate 5th starter numbers and soak up innings it’s a very good deal. 150 innings and an ERA/tRA/FIP around 5 is fine for this kind of team-friendly contract, and I think he’ll do a tad better than that.
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It's in the middle to me
Enough people suspected that he can hack it in the back of a rotation that he warranted a multi-year major league deal. Few enough people were confident that the upside is really high that it wasn’t for that much. He cost what the market said he should cost, and based on the market, he’s likely a back end guy with and upside of a middle guy for a couple of years and a downside of being a little better than the last shot he got, but still a AAAA type.
What makes the reaction bizarre to me is that the risk is so tiny for Texas. The Gaggle of spares they brought in last spring, Kris Benson, Jason Jennings, Eddie Guardado, etc. were a bigger gamble with less collective upside. Fukumori was almost as much of a risk with almost zero chance of working out.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
It's also a fairly sweeping statement
on what this organization honestly thinks about McCarthy, Harrison, Holland et al helping the team as a starting pitcher in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
BMac, Harrison sure they gotta be a little worried.
I wouldn’t throw in ‘Holland, et al’.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
They like Holland
but it doesn’t appear like they’re very confident in what he’ll give the team as a starter.
Ditto for CJ as a starter as well (I wanted to see that experiment and I’m more confident in him succeeding than I am in Lewis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
hedging your bets for a championship run
doesn’t seem like a bad idea to me…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
its a matter of him being rushed last season and they wanna make sure hes ready
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
Yeah
I think your verbiage puts a negative spin on it, but I basically agree. You have an ace who you have to be prepared could miss some starts. And aside from maybe Feldman you have guys with options and who are young and unpredictable. The positives in what they’ve collected are that there are 8-9 legitimate starting candidates and that there is some degree of upside in almost every guy. The negative is that you may need all nine, including Lewis, to field 4-5 good pitchers for most of the season.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Okee dokee
I’ll bookmark this comment for later reference.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Assuming he doesn't get injured
My guess would be around 170-180IP, 4.0-4.5 ERA and about 150K’s.
And if you’re going to hound us with Colby Lewis all season long, i want more than an “I was wrong but…”, I want you promise to lay off of any Ranger personnel for at least 1 month!
No predictions til after ST pops.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
He could be this year's Kris Benson!!!
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
sigh?
It was pretty obvious that those three were going to have rotation spots. If Lewis was being recruited by enough teams that not only was an NRI insufficient but a 2 year deal was necessary to sign him, it is pretty obvious that they’d have to assure him of a rotation spot.
Go Rice Owls!
I'm not either
But given that he’s here, we just have to accept that he’s in the rotation. Signing him for the bullpen would make no sense at all. And I’m okay with him in the rotation the more I think about it. Holland and Harrison both could stand to be in AAA a bit more, and really we only have one starter between BMac and Harden. It seems a little weird to be outright planning for failure as opposed to simply having a good contingency plan in place, but maybe since the Rangers have been burned so much in the past it is the right move.
Go Rice Owls!
Yep
after they paid Lewis that much, he was pretty much a lock for the rotation.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
That much?
He’ll make about what McCarthy will this year, and his average over the two years is less than what Wilson got.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
This club doesn't pay 3 million
to rot on the Bench. McCarthy will also likely start.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I don’t really disagree with the fact that the contract told us enough that this should have basically been assumed, but I don’t think it was the per year amount as much as the fact that it was a two year commitment. They’re gambling five million or so over the two years that he will make a legitimate contribution, and that definitely tells you that they think he is worth something as a starter.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
and bmac is a lock to starts as well
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
well
time to get ready for the ride
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Don't understand why
they feel the need to say for sure that he’ll be in the rotation. Wouldn’t you rather have the best 3 of Hunter, McCarthy, Holland, Feliz, Hurley, Lewis or Wilson? None of those guys really have a track record, including Lewis. His success has come in Japan.
I like the idea of starting Holland back in AAA (it's nice to have that luxury)
And I predict we find Wilson back in the bullpen when it’s all done.
$1.5m for this guy could be a good bargain on a veteran number 3 or 4.
Or he could be an absolute bust, but it’s nice to know we have Holland and other insurance behind him, ready to take his place.
Actually
They all have a track record to go on.
It is just a great deal of it is either in the minors or in Japan.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 19, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I meant Major League track record.
I’m just worried about him being the new Kris Benson and them spending too much time, and too many starts on him if he’s stinkin.
He'd probably be closer to another Kaz Fukumori
if he fails
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
one of the worst signings ever....
…if this doesn’t check out maybe we need to take a look at our Pac Rim operations?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Kris Benson had a major league track record and look how that turned out
I’d rather roll with guys that have shown promise in the minors and even Japan.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
was Benson's record recent?
I think that’s a different situation
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
They gave Benson
2 starts. Which really makes your point very odd.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
i just thought they wanted Anna around
but then they saw Richardson’s wife and sent Kris to the curb
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
If they are basing this on Lewis's minor league track record
they are insane.
Japan is fine. Dominating a Japanese league plus good scouting is infinitely more relevant than how prospecty Colby Lewis was 6 years ago.
Go Rice Owls!
Well
The minor league track record is for the other guys jcAustin was talking about who haven’t been in Japan.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 19, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
For myself
I also think that if his 37 bad pen innings (when he had virtually no experience as a reliever) in 2007 are enough of a negative for so many people to virtually write him off, his 15 excellent starts in Sacramento are at least worth noting. As you said, Japan plus what we can infer from his contract about scouting opinion are the key pieces of positive evidence for him. But I think that the pattern of continued improvement between 2006 and 2009, interrupted only by the uneven pen stretch later in 2007, started with him dominating AAA more than he previously had.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
That's fair
You’d definitely want a guy like Lewis’s last stateside results to be a positive rather than a negative.
That being said, the half-life of the value of half a season’s worth of starts in AAA three years ago as a 27 year old is very limited. It is enough to say “you know, maybe he was figuring something out before he went to Japan” or “geez, this guy was awful when he left”. But I can only see that really being of use when talking to some old fogey who doesn’t really accept that them Japanese fellas can play baseball.
Go Rice Owls!
There is also a major league
track record.
12-15 6.71 ERA, 72 ERA+
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Oooh - this is a fun game
Age 25, 7-13, 4.82 ERA 160 IP 82 ERA+. Granted, those are better numbers but this guy managed 5 Cy Youngs.
No one is saying Lewis will win any Cy Young but to look at 217 innings and say that’s representative while ignoring everything else doesn’t make sense.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
ST
much less telling than minor league innings or japan innings. Four 3IP starts against MLers just getting live game action (or minor leaguers) should only be a factor if you suddenly see that someone comes into camp fat or with a busted arm.
if that happens with lewis, then he’ll probably be out of the rotation
Yeah, spring training can be misleading
but I’d venture that most of the Ranger pitchers who had never been successful in The Show and weren’t very good in spring training probably didn’t have a very good season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
Really?
I’d venture that most of the Ranger pitchers who had never been successful in The Show and weren’t very good in spring training probably didn’t have a very good season.
That’s some damn venture.
by NoNameOnCard on Jan 19, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
probably a stipulation
he signed the contract with the understanding that he’s got a starting job to lose…not to keep for good, but to lose.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
other two -- Hunter and Holland
I’m not a McCarthy fan, and I’d rather have a lefty to go along with all the righties
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
yes
but at the right price
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm no expert
I’d love to see a 1 year guaranteed at $5 mil if we had it with incentives to push to $9 mil; then a 2nd year option, but don’t know how that would work?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
“I don’t think you’ll see us have another press conference for awhile,” Daniels said.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 19, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
OT - I have a growing crush on NBC 5 weather girl Samantha Davies.....
I find myself paying more attention to her than the weather…she is not super model hot.
I would described her as the girl next door that acts like she doesn’t like sex…..but behind those doors she is naughty…..really naughty.
by death of the cool on Jan 19, 2010 4:20 PM CST reply actions
I'm still hot
for the Rosetta Stone woman, holy smokes.
"The pitcher has got only a ball. I've got a bat. So the percentage of weapons is in my favor..." Hank Aaron
she looks fake to me
sort of robotic
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
I take it
you’ve never had your hooter in a robot.
Who gives a shit what Josey says.............................
by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Jan 19, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Add Feliz to that rotation and it has a lot of cheese!
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
i know i'm being captain obvious
link fail
not far removed from this guy: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lewisco01.shtml
Not far removed?
You’re six seasons away from a meaningful sample size.
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well, you've obviously decided
that his last two years are meaningless, or that the Rangers are simply signing him based on those two years and didn’t scout him to see if they believed in his stuff enough to put him in the rotation. And that the rumors of several other major league teams being interested in him are baseless. And that the Rangers offered him two years with an option just because they liked him and not because he could have gotten a similar offer elsewhere.
I just think all that should make you think they believe in him, instead of “what the hell are they doing?”
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it's amazing how obvious it is that i think all of those things
thank you for letting me know, it’s the first i’ve heard of it.
i would be hard pressed to find anything in your post that resembles my opinion on this matter, so i’ll break it down for you…
i’m not upset that we signed him, i think he may help us out. i’m just not sure he is any more deserving of a guaranteed rotation spot than any of our younger guys.
either that or i just decided that we paid him millions of dollars “just because they liked him”
you definitiley seemed ready to at least discount his recent success
if, for no other apparent reason, you were basing most of your concern over what he did before that
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I never jump to conclusions
and I never exaggerate. I also never project other posters’ thoughts onto someone like you when I reply. Well, except maybe this time I did all those things.
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Huh?
You’re counting 3, 15, 34 and 37 innings as “seasons”?
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'd have been pretty surprised
if he hadn’t been in the rotation.
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and there will be plenty of opportunity
for our other pitchers with guys like Harden and possibly McCarthy and their past troubles
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Key point
Some folks seem way too hung up over the projected opening day rotation. With Harden leading the rotation and multiple elite starting prospects in the picture, things will change over the course of the year, and you are going to be happy to have good options aside from those guys.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
and a significant portion of the rest of the folks
are way too hung up on Lewis’s distant past.
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thats just b/c he sucked.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
hopefully it's just lip service
to make him feel good about signing, and if he sux they’ll say “just kidding, you’re outta here”….quickly.
I think it's a lot more about
what they think of him than what he’s earned. Other guys who dominated Japan were guaranteed rotation spots, despite not having “earned” them with MLB success.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
And, as you've already said
He was scouted heavily due to the Rangers PacRim presence.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
If a Japanese pitcher had just pitched that well
and came over, everyone here would be pretty excited, I think.
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More like 2 1/2 or so.
But I see your point. I’m not hoping he fails or anything, I’m just a little skeptical.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
We’re all arguing from a position of uncertainty, and I think almost everyone acknowledges that. But while I’m usually one to roll my eyes at the reclamation projects the Rangers have tried, I’m surprised at how littler difference there is in a lot of folks’ attitudes here compared with a Kris Benson or Pedro Astacio when the facts are so much different.
His performance with the Rangers should largely go right out the window, both positive and negative. That leaves us, post rehab, with what we know about 2006-2009. The negative from that period of time was his poor performance in 37 innings with Oakland. The positives have been talked about ad nauseum here, but there are much bigger positives than in those other cases and a much tinier negative case.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
i feel a lot more comfortable, seeing that you're on board with this and your outlook on the situation...
the only thing that has worried me since i first saw the Rangers were interested in him is the grey area, and what I mean by that is the chance that he’s either going to be sufficient or he’s not and I’m afraid there’s no grey area…For instance, he has the stuff, but it could easily come down to is he going to maintain his newfound control day-in and day-out. If he can maintain the control and command of all his pitches then he’ll be a steal and if he can’t, then he could easily have a 6.00+ ERA before the all-star break….. Hopefully that made sense
A long time ago
in scattered spurts, and before he developed a cutter.
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Especially considering he replaced Kuroda,
and outperformed him.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Agreed....
I was shocked so many people were predicting that he wouldn’t be in the rotation…
He may not pan out, but he will start there…..I never thought that was in question.
by death of the cool on Jan 19, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
All the same
If it doesn’t work out and he ends up in the BP, I have to think the Greenberg-financed team won’t flinch moneywise.
And then it’ll be Feliz/Holland taking over, which will also cause no flinching.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 19, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
So he hasn't pitched in MLB since 2007.
He wasn’t very good in his time in MLB so he went to Japan, lit it up over there, and now he’s guaranteed a spot in our rotation based on what he did against Japanese hitters? Am I the only one that doesn’t think this is a good idea?
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
Color me skeptical.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
What are spring training numbers going to prove to you?
I’m guessing even if he puts up great numbers during ST you’d probably still say small sample size, pitching against B squads, etc., and that he hasn’t pitched in a “real” game since 2007.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Pretty much, yeah.
Kris Benson, anyone? I mean I hope the guy proves me wrong, I just don’t think it’s the best idea in the world to guarantee a guy with his MLB track record a spot based on what he did in Japan over the course of two years. Especially when there’s already going to be guys like Holland, Feliz, Hunter, McCarthy and probably a few others fighting for a rotation spot. I would rather see him come into ST and earn it, that’s all.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
He's not Kris Benson
Benson missed all of 07 and had 67 shitty minor league innings in 08. Lewis has been healthy and very good for the last two years. Whether the japanese numbers translate is to be seen but he’s not Benson.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I think that is the ideal situation but if we're truly contending this year..
..Feliz has to be in the pen at the big league level.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
no, not at all...
..I just think he has to be in the mix.
Mix = getting more than meaningful innings starting game 1.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
June 13th
is the day people will be saying Colby lewis is blocking the development of the Rangers young pitchers.
Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP
by RangerMad on Jan 19, 2010 5:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If we are discussing the development of the Rangers young pitchers...
…on June 13, then Ron Washington and Jon Daniels will be needing to get their resumes updated.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 19, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt
it takes that long. 1st bad start most likely.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Yep
For that matter, since lots of people in this thread are already doing it, I’m not sure why we even need to predict a date.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone who has expressed displeasure with him getting a rotation spot
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
I actually think this might end up being a great risk-reward
I have no idea why Lewis was so good in Japan. Do you? I assume he developed some sort of knew pitch a la Loaiza or perhaps he’s just more mature or some other random reason.
Regardless, it should be interesting to see how all of this plays out. I don’t mind Holland starting in AAA, Feliz in bullpen and McCarthy and Hunter in rotation.
cutter
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 19, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense
I’m excited to see it. JD wouldn’t have taken this risk unless he really thinks Lewis has the chance to be a solid #4 pitcher. A cheaper innings eater than Milly.
I predict that Colby Lewis is going to
Dazzle my ass in 2010.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
That's a goET callback above
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I think Hunter is a lock too...
that means that BMac, Holland, BGL, Feliz, and Harrison are all fighting for one spot in the rotation during ST.
Dare I say the competition will be stiff.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
something will definitely be stiff
watching the competition
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Are y'all curious that the Rangers haven't discussed the roles of Holland or Feliz yet?
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
I'm pretty sure they have
just are waiting to actually make a decision before telling us
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be pretty excited to hear that the ownership deal is finalized February 1st
then see us sign Sheets, and roll with Harden, Sheets, Feldman, Lewis, CJ Wilson in the rotation. Trade McCarthy. Plug-and-play Hunter, Harrison, Holland, Feliz, Nippert as needed.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
haven't you heard?
CJ is apparently a douche and only deserves the douchey role of 8th inning guy
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
For a variance on Beasticon, how about Douchicon?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 19, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
if you're not into the whole brevity thing
by kevinkinsler on Jan 19, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
ok, then...
“or Douchicon”
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 19, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
why
just because you don’t think he can go 6 innings out there? or talent. I think his talent is up there, better than any pitcher on the roster not named Feliz or Harden.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
If Colby Lewis name was Isoroku Yamamoto......
There would have been an instant LSB forum erection.
by death of the cool on Jan 19, 2010 6:01 PM CST reply actions
I don't the WW II vets would be all that pumped
and as far as them getting an erection……
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
For reference
I’m the son of a WW II vet, and so old that no erection is instant, with or without a pump. I just hope he brings his Japan demeanor, confidence, and command to the Arlington mound.
/blush
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jan 19, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt.
Which is why I find this thread so funny.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." -- Vince Lombardi
post fuck u more?
not as fast to pull the trigger on that call
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
Not for me
Since Fukumori I’ve not been a fan of jap pitchers. Which is why I haven’t been terribly excited about Lewis.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
You do know that Fukumori wasn't very good in Japan, right?
Lewis is comparable to Kuroda, Uehara, etc., not Fukumori. Connecting Lewis with Fukumori isn’t logical.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Colbra Lewis for Cy Young?
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." -- Vince Lombardi
Hey...last year a lot of people would have laughed you out of town
if you had said that about Scott Feldman but look what happened….
Ahhh, the eternal optimism of Spring Training…
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Jan 19, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
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