Saturday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 9:48 AM CST
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PrintStill no Rangers sale as of yet.
T.R. Sullivan says that as of Friday night, there was still at least one snag holding things up, but lawyers for both sides are working around the clock to get this done.
I'd insert the YouTube video with a loop of Harrison Ford saying "I already work around the clock!" over and over again here, but for whatever reason, I haven't been able to insert videos into posts for a couple of months.
Jennifer Floyd Engel has a column which is an open letter to Chuck Greenberg, although the column itself is mainly a litany of behaviors of local ownership of late.
Toby Hall has been signed to a minor league deal, to provide insurance in case Jarrod Saltalamacchia isn't ready to go to start the season. Given that the organization doesn't appear to view Max Ramirez as someone who is truly a catcher, it makes sense to have someone at AAA who could come up if someone gets hurt and give you something. Hall missed all of 2009 with a torn labrum, and the Rangers are supposedly still open to adding another veteran catcher to the organization.
Ian Kinsler has praise for the job Jon Daniels and the front office has done this offseason.
Tim Cowlishaw says that, among the Texas Rangers, the player most worth paying money to see perform is Elvis Andrus.
And Ray Buck remembers Bobby Bragan, who died on Thursday at age 92.
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Feliz
I’d say Feliz is worth paying the most money. Then again, I only caught the Rangers on the radio and TV last season.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 23, 2010 9:52 AM CST reply actions
I get so excited every time I see him just warmin up
but for Elvis, I actually get a little excited if we walk someone just so I can see him turn a DP
by kevinkinsler on Jan 23, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
"Because sometimes...
…you just want to watch someone rear back and throw 100 mph"
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2010 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
When you're at the park
…you really see more of what Andrus can do. How far he can go for a ball and field it cleanly isn’t something you can really see on TV. But most fans wouldn’t notice that anyway, so for the average person I’d have to agree with you. Feliz.
by Black Francis on Jan 23, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
seems like an eternity.
Patience…patience….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Need a WARMUP?
PM Productions
"THAT WAS MY SPECIAL MONDAY MORNING TAPE, SPECIAL, FOR YOU!
It's fucking Monday afternoon, you should get out of bed earlier."
- Jack Black & John Cusack, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 23, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kinsler quotes
Josey won’t like hearing the core players approve of JD & the front office’s moves.
Posts like this are what have basically driven me away from this blog.
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by LSBUser on Jan 23, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
I can't rec from my mobile so...
…consider this a manual rec
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Jan 23, 2010 10:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Done so often,
yet done well so rarely
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
it gets ridiculous
Josey is bad enough, then you get all the Josey baiters. It’s an epidemic that has taken over this blog.
There is only 1 way for it to stop, and that will never happen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
You sir,
are a fucking douchebag.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Calm down folks, I'm not a Josey hater
Just find it amusing how much he dislikes the GM, and thought it noteworthy that a star on the team openly approves of the GM’s work.
In fact, I probably agree with Josey on more than most of you. For instance:
1. He’s right to say the team has an OBP problem that hasn’t been addressed.
2. He’s right to have some doubt about Chris Davis (though I like him to bounce back this year).
3. He’s right to suggest people on here tend to be way too optimistic about the team and certain players, though that’s our right as fans.
…. among others
Anyhow, didn’t mean to get everyone’s panties in a bunch.
Here's the problem
People complain about Josey constantly.
People regularly bitch at me because I don’t ban Josey.
But then, at the same time, people invoke his name on stuff that has nothing directly to do with him.
That’s an invitation for him to come in and respond, and then others respond, and then, a couple of hours and a couple of hundred posts later, people start with the “Josey is ruining the board” stuff.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
It would be great
if every time he posted, not a single person replied.
by nathanbaum09 on Jan 23, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Understood
Don’t mean to cause you trouble. Wasn’t meant to flame Josey (or the dozen guys that took such exception to it).
Does seem a little odd people want him banned. He’s controversial, but his posts are more intelligent than a lot of guys on here. I don’t agree with all of them (particularly his odd Nolan/JD takes, and ability to dance around questions asked of him) but they make for better reading/conversation than some others.
Yawn. In the words of Francis. (Although I put it nicely)
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
Frank and Kinsler out on the town
quick and dirty
Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.
by shroomer on Jan 23, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
now THAT is creepy.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa
Is that the lovely Ava Gardner?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Seriously?
There are so many things worth discussing in this morning’s thread and you jump straight to Josey??
Ugh. Engel really sounds like a gold digging skank with:
We are hoping you fit right in, and you brought your wallet.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
"Did I say labia?"
“Labrum…labrum”
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Jan 23, 2010 10:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I still don't understand
why they don’t consider Max an adequate catcher. He held his own when up in the bigs, better than using a hanger-on.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
x
He held his own when up in the bigs,
He caught 82 innings in the majors — basically, 9 full games. And I think the main reason fans think he’s good enough to play regularly behind the plate is because of that tag on Jeff Mathis.
Meanwhile, in those 82 innings, he allowed 8 wild pitches and 12 stolen bases in 15 attempts. The stats in that stint (with the obvious caveat that they are an extremely small sample size) aren’t indicative of a player who “held his own” — it is indicative of a terrible defensive catcher.
And from what I understand, that is consistent with the reviews of his defense in the minors. Boston, if they’d landed him, wasn’t going to keep him behind the plate, either.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
wow
I had no idea he was that terrible, I knew he was bad, but not HORRIBLE.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's uglier than I remember it.
Heh, that Mathis tag probably pulled me in. I still would rather run him out there as a stopgap. If we lost Salty/Tea for an extended period, than I’m sure one of these washouts could be found.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Ramirez
Yeah, he’s a pretty bad catcher.
He seems to me like a guy who’s likely role is one similar to the 25th spot on our roster this year – third team catcher on a team that might need to pinch hit for both its other catchers, righthanded option at 1B in the event Davis continues to struggle against lefthanders, and platoon DH option (with Murphy) in the likely event that Vlad misses some time due to injury.
Unfortunately, his 2009 season doesn’t give you any reason to think he’s even ready for that role.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 23, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Does he have an invite to Spring Training?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I guess what I meant was will he be in big league camp?
How does that work? If you’re on the 40 do you go to big league camp then they send you to the minor league camp so he’d get more ab’s?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
If you are on the 40 man roster...
…you go to major league spring training.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
You think he'll get an extended look or will they just put him on the back fields immediately?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
They will have Max catch Feliz the entire ST.
Hoping that Feliz breaks a couple of his fingers so he can go on the 60 day DL and the Rangers can make room for someone else on the 40 without having to drop Max.
I’m just saying, that’s what I’d do…
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
I'm going to have to go with this I guess...
..but I’m going to need a link.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Here you go.
But see what I did at the end of it
I’m just saying, that’s what I’d do…
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
Darrell
Where are you from? I think I know you.
You have that "Jewish chick on Jersey Shore" type vibe going for you.
Easy man.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
Wild pitches?
We’re gonna count wild pitches against him? In that ‘08 stint he was catching the thrown together roto of Jennings, Gabbard, Ponson, Mendoza, etc., he allowed 0 “pass balls”. If I’m not mistaken the wild pitch is on the pitcher in most cases, look who was throwing to him, sheesh. I know he’s not a great catcher, but we’re talking about him being the third catcher. I’d much rather see his offensive potential in the lineup if needed than Toby freakin Hall. The 12SB’s in 15 attempts sucks, but I can’t say the kids horrible.
True, but a good catcher will block most balls in the dirt which saves the pitcher a wild pitch.
I remember him getting handcuffed on some balls also, which could also be on the pitcher, but given that it was his first few games in the big leagues, I highly doubt it.
In Adam’s defense he did say that the sample size should be in question..but I still say he sucks defensively as a catcher.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
which means very little.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
From what I've gathered here and reading up on him...
he does tend to have skillet hands when it comes to defense. And not much mobility. But he mashes the ball when he’s on. I think that’s what Derff is trying to push in that, while he may not be a great defensive guy, he can fill in the positition IF NEEDED and can add pop at catcher, or on the bench.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
Oh, I love Max's offensive potential, no doubt...
I’d just rather have someone who wasn’t a butcher behind the plate to catch 20 games if we needed it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
hey, that's my line.
So, did you end up beating me in fantasy football this year.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I made it to the playoffs.
After the trade that everyone bitched about I went 3-1, but got my ass kicked first week
Good.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
The feeling appears to be....
…that Max is not good enough defensively to be used in anything other than spot or emergency duty behind the plate in the majors.
That does not seem to be unique to Texas, either…that view appears to be pretty widespread around baseball.
If putting Max behind the plate isn’t a viable option if someone goes down, you need someone who can come in and catch if something happens to Salty or Teagarden.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I understand wanting a viable option...
I just find it hard to believe Toby Hall is gonna bring anything more than Max would.
As described above, the point is defense
I think we all can appreciate the importance of a good “game-caller” and having a catcher who knows what he’s doing back there.
I'd also like a catcher who can OBP above .300
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
concurrage.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Teagarden has a career OBP in the minors of .390 and had a .396 in 08
Salty has a .373 in the minors and a .352 in 08
Hopefully last season was a fluke for the both of them, but I would rather have a .300 obp with good defense and game-calling abilities than a .400 obp from max with no skills at all behind the plate (and that .400 is being quite generous, imo)
Yeah, I'm just being overdramatic
I expect Salty to OBP over .300 in 2010. .320, maybe.
But given the way this offensive is constructed, I would take the defensive hit to have Max and his offensive/on-base potential in the lineup over Salty/Tea, who aren’t going to be any better than average (at best) offensively. Unless Max is a total butcher back there, which I don’t think is the case.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
So would I
But it doesn’t mean that if a guy can’t put up a .300 OBP, he can’t possibly be a better catcher than Max.
I don’t get why so many people seem to flat out refuse to acknowledge that Max probably isn’t a major league catcher.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Because catching is probably the only way Max is ever going to be a full-time player as a Ranger
If his bat returns to it’s pre-injury glory, you’d really like to get that in the lineup if at all possible, but 1B/DH will likely be filled by two of Smoak, Davis and Moreland.
Given that, plus the fact that all our other catchers either suck or are still in diapers, I don’t think we should give up on Max behind the plate until we’re forced to.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I'd rather stick to our defense-emphasis that worked so wonderfully last year
Unless Max proves to immediately be 300/390/460 type hitter, I don’t think we should force his bat into the lineup.
To expect him to go from offensively worthless last year (albeit injured) to becoming an offensive force this year—a player worth forcing into the lineup at the expense of higher quality pitch-calling/blocking/throwing catchers would be a terrible decision on JD’s part, imo.
Well, he's got to prove he's healthy again first, of course.
I’m not advocating just throwing him into the starting catcher role out of ST, don’t get me wrong. My scenario is contingent on Max coming back healthy and mashing for a month or two in AAA first.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
If Max comes back and mashes for a month or two...
…how does that change the fact that he’s not competent behind the plate defensively?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen anything that conclusively proves he cannot play catcher
Just a lot of conflicting reports as to whether or not he can play there.
If the Rangers really, conclusively thought he couldn’t play the position my guess is they would’ve moved him last year when he kept having problems with his wrists.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Indications during the Lowell talks
seemed to be pretty blunt that they didn’t see him as someone who could handle it regularly. I have my suspicions that “they” is in large part Ron Washington and Jim Sundberg, but whatever, those guys aren’t going anywhere real soon.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 24, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
Over, say, a full season, how many runs difference do you think there is, offensively, between Hall and Max?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Do you think Max is going to get an extended look in camp?
Whether it be at Catcher/DH/wherever.
My answer to your ?, without doing any research (not that I really do any) would be 20.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
actually, 20 sounds high..10.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
If you don't answer my question re: Max I'm going to drop you as a FB friend...ball's in your court.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 24, 2010 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think you should
drop Ryin.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
DaheelzCM
I understand what you mean about posts that drive you away from this blog but it’s posts like this that keep this as my most visited blog. I don’t know this type of information off the top of my head and I probably wouldn’t look it up 90% of the time. Glad I have AJM do my dirty work for me.
I wonder if a healthy Max.....
Might make this team as the righty off the bench….To do this he would have to play some first base against lefties….he could also possibly DH a few times with Vlad playing the field.
However, I am not sure if we would be best served to let him rake at AAA (which I think a healthy Max will do)….and possibly use him as some of the bait around the deadline.
by death of the cool on Jan 23, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'd agree
that Elvis is worth paying the most. I didn’t have the chance to see Feliz pitch in person, but I did get to see Elvis in the opening series against Cleveland last year. I think it was the second game of the series, where he hit his first career home run. It was pretty amazing watching him play.
Andrus would make some spectacular plays
But I was at the Yankees game where Neftali got Tex on a grounder and struck out Arod and Posada
I’ve rarely heard TBiA so loud
Bragan once asked me
what state Nap Lajoie was born in for a chance to win Rangers’ tickets, on WBAP. Never forgave him for such a stupid question.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
RIP Bobby Bragan
my Granddad gave me an autographed Bragan ball many years ago he had gotten many years before that. I’ve always enjoyed having it on my shelf.
Go Rice Owls!
Bragen
Visited my middle school, and as an Arlington native I’m pretty sure my grandfather knew him one way or another. He always had good stories to share.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Bobby Bragan
Great baseball man. My best friend dated his granddaughter in college.
"To have the judgment and wisdom and personal touch of Nolan Ryan, and the tremendous group that JD has assembled, I think the Rangers on the baseball side are the envy of every franchise in baseball in terms of talent."
-- Chuck Greenberg
I really like Bragan's charity.
It provides college scholarships to 8th graders to provide them incentive to keep achieving in high school. The scholarships only vest if the kids stay the course through high school. Great approach to charitable giving.
by 3hacks on Jan 23, 2010 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What's the word on Joaquin Benoit?
I haven’t seen that he’s signed anywhere yet. I haven’t even heard if he’s throwing again.
Curious if he’s a Ranger NRI candidate.
by 3hacks on Jan 23, 2010 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Evan, don't tweet until it goes down!!
He just teased me with that last one.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions
Sigh...Rojas twit:
@Evan_P_Grant here’s my take on #txrangers deal…even after lawyers dot i’s and cross t’s, closing won’t get done till late march
8 minutes ago from Birdfeed in reply to Evan_P_Grant
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
did they fire that guy who replaced him?
The one I can’t listen to in the car during day games because I will go to sleep behind the wheel and die a fiery death, probably taking multitudes of women and children in my wake?
I miss Rojas.
by Black Francis on Jan 23, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Good question
I poked around a bit on mlb.com and couldn’t find any broadcasters info.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I imagine the two months involves a lot of filing and waiting for responses from third parties
but I’m naive as to these processes
I think the 2 months will be getting all the MLB owners together...
As well as getting the Greenberg team up to speed on the goings on of the org. as well as rules, regulations of the MLB. I’m talking out my ass here a bit, but I guess I’m stating he probably will be going through “New Owner Orientation” for two months.
The staying up all night part is because the deadline is passed and they don’t want anything sneaky being pulled from another group.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch"
-Gdawg
Actually, the closing period takes some time
In short, the agreement says “I agree to do these 100 things by the closing date.” It takes time to get all that stuff done.
Well, there's this then, from Maury
1 last open issue left to complete sale of TX Rangers. Can’t get from source what it is. Deal not done by late next week, expect Crane back.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Chinga.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
when is this from Rodney?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Here
http://twitter.com/BizballMaury
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Oh, when.
12 hours ago.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
And the kids like that
“Yay!”
/Backdoor Georgie
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I thought this youtube vid was from Miles...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Anyone know what ESPN Deportes is for Verizon in Denton?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 23, 2010 7:32 PM CST reply actions
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