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Around SBN: Are The Orioles Bad Or Unlucky With Their Young Pitching?

1. Neftali Feliz, rhp
2. Justin Smoak, 1b
3. Martin Perez, lhp
4. Tanner Scheppers, rhp
5. Jurickson Profar, ss
6. Kasey Kiker, lhp
7. Robbie Ross, lhp
8. Mitch Moreland, of/1b
9. Danny Gutierrez, rhp
10. Wilmer Font, rhp

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Yeah

I was just thinking, it’s pretty crazy that the ranking I was more surprised by was Kiker, rather than Profar.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrecked +1

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by NYTXFAN on Jan 25, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Not that I didn't already know, but reading that just makes me giddy
Best Hitter for Average Justin Smoak
Best Power Hitter Justin Smoak
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Justin Smoak

by octoberty on Jan 25, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

x
Best Fastball Neftali Feliz
Best Curveball Tanner Scheppers
Best Slider Robbie Ross
Best Changeup Kasey Kiker
Best Control Blake Beaven

by octoberty on Jan 25, 2010 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

How good is Kiker's changeup?

I’m not sure that I was aware that it is a plus pitch

by octoberty on Jan 25, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Better than Poveda's? Interesting

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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 25, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I love love love his CU.

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by shroomer on Jan 25, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

triple love --- that's serious

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by NothinG on Jan 25, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought Perez had the best?

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by NYTXFAN on Jan 25, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh.

Didn’t realize Tanner’s secondary offering was better than curveballs systemwide.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jan 25, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

he throws probably the hardest curveball in the system

it’s been compared to Verlanders. BBTiA does a nice writeup here on Scheppers

Daniel Gutierrez was rated as having the best Royals’ system curveball last year. BBTiA compares him to Carpenter among others.

Martin Perez had the best curveball in the system last year before Schepps and Gutz

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by NothinG on Jan 25, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that it means a damn thing

but Gutz CB is tops in the system in my book, but good to know he gots competition.

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by Parman on Jan 25, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

People will jump...

back on the Michael Main wagon after this season.

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by slc ranger on Jan 25, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

agreed!

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by NYTXFAN on Jan 25, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Not saying it's vindication...

…for someone who was more down on Main than many people around here. It’s nice to have people who are much more in the know agree with you, but even I would not have placed him outside the top 10.

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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 25, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Goldstein disagrees

8. Michael Main, RHP

Year in Review: The high-ceiling righty had a nightmarish 2009, as an undiagnosed viral infection sapped him of his strength and turned the year into a lost season.
The Good: While Main was often in the mid-80s during the year with flat secondary stuff, he was healthy in instructional league, and showing again the stuff that the Rangers were so excited about coming into the year: a 91-93 mph fastball, and hammer curve ball that rates as a plus pitch. He’s among the best athletes in the game among pitchers, as he has first-round talent as a power/speed center fielder out of his school.
The Bad: Main’s overall game needs refinement, so the lost year of development hurts him. His changeup remains a below-average pitch. He needs to incorporate more of his body into his delivery, which employs a bit of a rock-and-fire motion.
Ephemera: In four appearances at the very end of the year once he got his strength back, Main whiffed nine over seven scoreless frames.
Perfect World Projection: Mid-rotation starter.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I would put him in the 9-11 range. My point at the time was just that while most signs point to the ‘viral infection’ not being a concern for the future, it is an added risk that needs to be taken into account when trying to project the player.

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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 25, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully he'll take the WIlmer Font route

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by LSJ on Jan 25, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

2013 Catcher

They project Teagarden over Salty….interesting

by nortorious on Jan 25, 2010 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

I know things could change but I seriously just jizzed in my pants!
No. 1 Starter Neftali Feliz
No. 2 Starter Martin Perez
No. 3 Starter Derek Holland
No. 4 Starter Scott Feldman
No. 5 Starter Tommy Hunter
Closer Tanner Scheppers

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by NYTXFAN on Jan 25, 2010 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

Given BA's "rules"

for doing the projected lineup (which is basically to assume that anyone who is in the organization will stay in the organization), they really should have Rich Harden in there instead of Feldman or Hunter, but I guess it’s more telling/interesting to have them.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that their rule

or a basic guideline they try to follow?

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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I would use the two

interchangeably. It’s their own rule/guideline, so they can obviously stray from it in certain situations (this one either being an oversight or a good example of that). But it’s the easiest way to avoid the dilemma of trying to predict what FAs would go where.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

With Harden though

He was a recent offseason pickup on a 1 year guaranteed deal. I’d think that a player like Harden would be ignored in the future rankings simply because of how unlikely it is for any pitcher on a 1 year deal with a new team to still be there a few years down the road

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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the main reason

I would be ok with not signing Sheets. This team seems right in the thick of things for the AL West and a Sheets signing would certainly help (assuming some health) with the division. But I don’t see this team as being better than those beasts over in the AL East. Contending is obviously the main goal, but developing Holland and Feliz to the point that they can comfortably be slotted into the starting rotation next year would be goal 1A for me.

Just think, post All Star break next year, you could be looking at a Feliz-Perez-Holland top 3. That can compete with anybody.

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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 25, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Man

if things went well and you went into a division series with a Boston or NY with Harden, Sheets and Feliz, I think that combination would be the first time in franchise history that you wouldn’t feel overmatched. With the three kids you have a lot of talent, but you’re not going to have that same confidence. It’s a long shot for either group of three to be healthy and pitching their very best in October, but those first three would make me pretty cocky.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

That is why I would be excited about a Sheets signing. I just wanted to point out that there is a cost besides whatever a potential contract would cost: less development time at the major-league level for somebody that I’d like to count on next year, be it Holland and/or Feliz.

Incidentally, do you think Feliz is a starter for the Rangers by July or August? And if so, what do you think would be a realist expectation for him for 2-3 months of starts in the majors?

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by GhettoBear04 on Jan 25, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Scooter won't be here in 2013

Sub in Ross and Main for Feldman and Hunter. Add Font and Kiker to the pen.

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by RangerMad on Jan 25, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

In 2013...

…the Rangers are going to have a 23 year old, a 24 year old, and a 22 year old in their Opening Day rotation?

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 25, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

And that sir

is why these projected lineups are borderline retarded.

A year ago people were penciling in Beavan, Kiker, Main and a glut of other unproven minor leaguers as part of a playoff contending rotation/bullpen.

It’s still fun to dream though…

by ncrangerfan on Jan 25, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Silly me

I forgot there was a new owner. How about…

Greinke
Johnson
Feliz
Holland
Perez

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by RangerMad on Jan 25, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like this rotation

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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 25, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Only sort-of a joke... Greinke could very well be on the trade block next offseason.

He’ll have two years left on his contract, which seems to be the fulcrum year in trade talks for young SP under contract.

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by rooster on Jan 25, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Kiker

That’s several slots ahead of where I’d put him. I’d love for them to be right, but I just don’t see it.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

Let the obligatory KK bashing commence!

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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 25, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

His last name is uncomfortably close to a racial slur!

Which is made doubly unfortunate by the fact he’s from Alabama!

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by RCCook on Jan 25, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I met Kiker at the Awards Banquet last year....

There can’t be a nicer guy in the organization. I will always pull for him to do well.

by Drew062682 on Jan 25, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh

I bet you’re the guy who fucked up chain letters too…you broke the theme here.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 25, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry....

He’s a really down to earth good dude and I hope he shocks everyone.

by Drew062682 on Jan 25, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

As do I

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 25, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That's good to hear, Drew

I’d never heard anything about Kiker as a person.

Makes it even easier to root for him when he’s a good guy.

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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 26, 2010 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

he’s a special case to some people, stats do lie…

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by Longhorn on Jan 25, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not his stats that worry me

it’s the reports of inconsistency in his stuff and control, and his unimpressive velocity. Some of his stats and reports are terrific, others quite the opposite. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a very effective reliever, but I can’t see him as a successful starter.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Inconsistency- same here.

I’ve seen him K CCarter on 3 pitches, and then walk/HBP the 7,8,9 hitters the next inning.

His CU really needs to be the difference, because the gun readings I’ve seen from scouts on the FB isn’t gonna be a fallback in the bigs.

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by scoop16 on Jan 25, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree

My comment was more directed at the polarizing opinions most have of him.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 25, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

what pitch makes guys like Hamels and Santana so good?

that is the same pitch Kiker is so good at. Sure, he needs to be more efficient with his pitches (saying it nicely), but having a changeup as a plus pitch always bodes well for a pitcher and makes their fastball play that much faster. It’s about control with Kiker. That is all. Granted that is a struggle for many pitchers. Some figure it out while some don’t. I’ll put him in the latter for fun.

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by NothinG on Jan 25, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Like I say

I’d love to be wrong, but right now I see no reason to compare Kiker with those guys, no matter how nice his changeup is.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

my comparison is absurd at this point

but I think a great changeup is the best pitch a pitcher can have in their arsenal.

I’d love for you to be wrong too. It would mean I was right :)

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by NothinG on Jan 25, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

He was 21 last season

sure he was inconsistent, but he’s got time to work on it. If he starts showing that consistency this season, would you argue that he is rated too high?

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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

His age is a good point. It feels like he’s been around for a long time, but as Lucas showed from his research, he was one of the youngest pitchers in the league. 21 is young for AA; it’s on the front edge of standard age for a top prospect at that level.

I agree with t ball’s thought on starting/relieving, though, and I’m going to be ready this season for them to get him ready to contribute in the pen if they appear to need help at some point.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't picture them needing that much bullpen help

If they still think Kiker can start, there are guys like Scheppers, Gutierrez, and Perez who you could call up for some bullpen help if that’s the route you want to take.

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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess my unstated assumption

is that, though he is young, I don’t think that he will have the command to start, so you’re talking about a potential legitimate relief shot in the arm versus nothing. And I don’t think we should overstate how strong the bullpen is. It’s pretty good, but they had serious issues at times last year, even after Feliz came in and saved the 6th-7th inning situation, and they didn’t change the dynamics of the pen by adding Oliver, Ray and Snyder. Oliver will be decent to solid in a middle role, and the other two are big question marks. So guys like Kiker, maybe Moscoso, and maybe Scheppers by the summer or so, could be big factors if they let them. Gutierrez has thrown like 30 innings in his life above Low A, so I don’t think he’ll be as equipped as soon as Kiker. And Perez may be too good and too young for them to want to go that route with him.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I fear a major O'Day regression.

Obviously hope not, but as unstable as relievers are…

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by scoop16 on Jan 25, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget Strop

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by Kinslerhomer on Jan 25, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, he's young and still has time

I just don’t like him ranked quite that high. I’d have him more in the 10-12 range I guess without putting too much thought into it.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

So who's the

“Best Athlete” now that Golson’s gone? Beltre? Paisano?

by chrisR on Jan 25, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

Beltre, or perhaps Main?

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by NothinG on Jan 25, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Golson

Not necessarily gone…

But yeah, probably.

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by hightowersmith on Jan 25, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fascinated that a Supplemental 1st rounder with shoulder problems

has skyrocketed in such a way

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jan 25, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

He was only a supplemental 1st rounder...

…because of his shoulder problems.

If not for that, he’d have been a top 10 pick.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 25, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

probably top 5

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by Kinslerhomer on Jan 25, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

And as far as pitchers go, maybe top two

Several draft observers said he was the next best guy after Strasburg.

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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 25, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I guess what’s fascinating is how they project these guys who have never thrown a professional pitch. I’m not disagreeing, I guess I just don’t understand it.

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jan 25, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

He did pitch in the AFL

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by Kinslerhomer on Jan 25, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jan 25, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

and saw his stock skyrocket

as a result of that. His pro performance is actually a big factor in his current status.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

well that makes more sense, then

you’ll hear no more out of me on this topic.

great list, exciting prospects.

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Jan 25, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

New owners can only help.

Now we have the ability to fill specific holes if necessary while maintaining a wonderful minor league system. That is a great top ten!

Sheppers reaches that potential… I forget about no Purke,
Gutierrez does something… that will be a GREAT trade!

Can’t wait for April!

Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!

by pbpsean on Jan 25, 2010 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

This summer ...

Imagine a game where Holland pitches the first 7 innings. Scheppers the 8th. Feliz the 9th.
OR … a doubleheader in August of 2011 where Holland and Feliz are your starters and Scheppers and MPer throw in relief. And Smoak hits a homer in both games – one lefty, one righty. ha

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by shroomer on Jan 25, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If either scenario

happens that would probably lead to the biggest collective orgasm in LSB history haha

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by Michael Cave on Jan 25, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

While Davis hits for the cycle in one game

and hits a grand slam in the other

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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Closest to the Major League Club

1. Neftali Feliz, rhp 1.
2. Justin Smoak, 1b 4.
3. Martin Perez, lhp 7.
4. Tanner Scheppers, rhp 5.
5. Jurickson Profar, ss 10.
6. Kasey Kiker, lhp 2.
7. Robbie Ross, lhp 9.
8. Mitch Moreland, of/1b 6.
9. Danny Gutierrez, rhp 3.
10. Wilmer Font, rhp 8.

TexasSummerHeat

by TexasSummerHeat on Jan 25, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

I would have Smoak ahead of Kiker but that could come down to circumstances. The most intriguing aspect of this to me is Perez and Scheppers. Either of them could have an immediate impact on a staff once they’re ready, but at the same time, either of them would be absolutely buzzing through the system to play in the majors this year.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd probably have Scheppers #2

I’ll be mildly surprised if he isn’t in the major league pen by July.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 25, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting

I could frankly be convinced to order Smoak, Perez and Scheppers in just about any order.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

From a major league ready standpoint?

I think that’s what Adam was saying.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

They are the three potential impact additions from this system this season, and I have a difficult time ordering their likelihood of appearing first.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Perez? Really?

I didn’t see any of his AA performances, but I have to think, just due to his age, he would need another year to figure out how to order his pitches and maybe even sharpen command of them before he could stand confidently on a ML hill.

Scheppers has two pitches he could might be able to do well with by mid-season, I’m thinking, based on what I’ve read of evaluators who watched his AFL performance.

Do you have time to expand on why you have Perez right there with Smoak/Scheppers?

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by rooster on Jan 25, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this

Perez is right there in future impact players, but it doesn’t seem like he would have that huge of an impact this season if brought up. The best case scenario would be what Feliz gave the team last season, but I think that’s pretty optimistic.

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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you looked at Scheppers' AFL numbers?

He only pitched in seven games, but if we were using the same standard for him as Perez, rather than picturing what scouts said and how good he looked when he was on TV the one time, I don’t know that there is a ton of difference. Scouts RAVED about Perez after he pitched in AA, despite the fact that he struggled a little to get hitters out (less so after the beginning). Same goes for Scheppers.

I point that out as more of a devil’s advocate point, because I don’t see Perez as someone who should be in the majors this summer (or fall) either. I’d like to think that Scheppers can handle it, but I’m not sure that we have much evidence of that, aside from just how good his stuff is. He was never regarded as one of the more advanced college/indy guys in the draft, even by those who regarded him as one of the best. Being a reliever would lower the bar, but still…

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I can see it,

thought it would seem to have to mean one of two things had happened. Either they’d have a lot of injuries that would sort of force their hand, or he would just be so lights out that he pushed his way up, or some combo of the two. I’d see Perez as a possibility sometime in 2010 — especially as just a late season cup of coffee get to know the majors kind of thing — but Smoak seems a near certainty to at least get a late season look-see, and Scheppers would seem a distinct possibility for bullpen reinforcements much sooner than Perez.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're applying

a front end assumption to my comment, that since Adam said he thinks Scheppers gets the call by July and since I said I’m not sure which one comes first, I think that Perez may get the call in July. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that I’m not sure whether Scheppers will get moved that fast or whether he’ll be more on the Perez schedule.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think July is early

for either of them. Unlike Adam, I’ll be quite surprised if Scheppers is already in the pen as soon as July. I guess, as aggressive as they have been in promoting and challenging the top guys, it could happen, but wow that would be quick.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

fwiw

From Frank Piliere’s chat today regarding his top 100 list:

[Comment From RyanRyan: ]
Do you see Scheppers or Perez making it up to Arlington sometime this season?
Monday January 25, 2010 4:40 Ryan
4:41


Frankie Piliere:
They’ll play it safe with Perez but I can see Scheppers being on the fast track, yes.

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by t ball on Jan 25, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Perez

I know they are fired up about him, but I still have a hard time seeing him in the majors in 2010.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 25, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

JD mentioned in a Q&A

that he expects Perez to pitch in AA for most if not all of 2010

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by NothinG on Jan 25, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

No matter how he sets the world on fire

A 24-25 yr old Martin >>> 18-19 yr old Rockin Caraccan.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely the way I'd look at it

but the same goes for other guys they’ve called up.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

There are a number of SP and RP choices ahead

of Kiker and Gutierrez.

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by RangerMad on Jan 25, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Closest to majors... I'd have Sheppers much higher. I have a hard time deciding if Scheppers is ahead of Smoak in that regard.

Basically, flip Scheppers and Gutierrez, and I’m with you.

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by rooster on Jan 25, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Most likely to be traded in 2010.

1. Moreland
2. Kiker
3. Gutierrez
4. Smoak
5. Font
6. Ross
7. Profar
8. Scheppers
9. Perez
10. Feliz

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Jan 25, 2010 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

x

1. Font
2. Ross
3. Beltre
4. Kiker
5. Moreland
6. Scheppers
7. Gutierrez

I don’t think Smoak, Perez, or Feliz can realistically be had.

by octoberty on Jan 25, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I only ordered the 10 ranked by BA. Sorry, didn't clarify.

I think Smoak is the nearest to the majors with star potential that the Rangers would be willing to consider trading.

I think a pitching star would only be traded if below AA, unless the trade talks involve someone like Greinke.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Jan 25, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Shut up, you.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Jan 25, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Scheppers can't be traded for a while.

It’s 12 months from the day he signs.

I know there’s some leeway with that if you make him a PTBNL, but even with that it’s tough since he signed so ridiculously late.

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by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

What about the 40?

I’ve been reading this waiting to see you post a smackdown about the obvious elephant in the room. Scheppers, Perez and Smoak. It’s getting pretty lean on space. Not much filler left.

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by Parman on Jan 25, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone want to post the highlights from Fitt's chat from BA?

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jan 25, 2010 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's still going

Every time I go by there, he’s answered a few more questions.

by Brett Perryman on Jan 25, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that allowed

Or are they going to come after me?

by Drew062682 on Jan 25, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I used to do it, but I did not renew

Don’t post the entire thing, just the real interesting points

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jan 25, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Whats your email? I'll sent it to you

I remember you did that for me once when I didn’t have a sub

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by Kinslerhomer on Jan 26, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

laxtonto@hotmail.com

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Jan 26, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Ooh! Me too! Me too!

e-mail’s in my profile if anyone wants to be cool and hook a ’Tron up.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Jan 30, 2010 6:22 AM CST up reply actions  

good stuff

Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.

by shroomer on Jan 25, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I am going to

rec this post becasue it makes me really really happy. So much potential.

"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." -- Vince Lombardi

by coolaid on Jan 25, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully someone before morning

I am anxious.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Jan 25, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

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