Ryan: Rangers, Purke had agreed to $6 million before the draft
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2010 7:03 PM CST
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PrintOne more piece falls into place on the Matt Purke saga.
Per Jeff Wilson, Nolan Ryan says that the Rangers had a pre-draft deal in place with Purke to sign him for $6 million, only to have the deal quashed by MLB:
The sides had agreed before the draft to a $6 million deal, well above the slot money for the No. 14 overall pick, and owner Tom Hicks gave his approval.
That was in June. By July, Major League Baseball was overseeing the Rangers’ finances and had the final say on all transactions beyond what had been budgeted.
When the Aug. 17 deadline to sign Purke arrived, the commissioner’s office wasn’t going to budge.
So there you go. You can blame Ryan, or Bud Selig, or both, for Purke not being signed. But the Rangers drafted him intending to give him $6 million, and agreed to pay Purke that amount before the draft.
There was a lot of heat and drama surrounding the non-sign. Jon Daniels and (to a much lesser extent) Nolan Ryan were ripped for taking a guy they couldn't sign, and a few folks implied that the Rangers only took Purke because they didn't plan on signing him and wanted to simply save on the signing bonus.
Then you had folks, including an embarrassing number of people here, cursing Purke, wishing him ill, saying that they hoped his arm fell off. I asked people not to, and that stirred up a big fight.
You had Jamey's comment about Purke buying a Horned Frog hoodie and purple sanitary socks, which prompted a broadside by Randy Galloway, who apparently read that as Jamey taking a shot at Purke and accusing him of being Hicks' mouthpiece, a rather remarkable clash between a titan of the local old media, sports division, and the godfather of the local new media, Rangers division.
It was a very charged, very emotional, and ultimately very disappointing sequence of events.
But at the end of the day, I have to say, I can't kill Matt Purke for passing. He made a deal with Nolan Ryan for $6 million, and Ryan, by all accounts an individual with a great deal of pride and sense of integrity, could not honor that deal because of events and people outside of his control. I can't kill the guy for saying, I'm not going to agree to sign for $4 million when you agreed two months ago to give me $6 million.
And I'd wager that, come 2011, when Purke is a draft-eligible sophomore, if he's there on the board when the Rangers pick, the Rangers will take him, and Nolan will see that Purke gets signed.
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that hand is so ugly
I imagine he has a hard time getting excited for masturbation.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Jan 28, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this sentiment
and encourage others to share it.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
No, F Hicks
for putting Ryan and Daniels in that position. If they had known of the extreme situation they wouldn’t have made that promise to Purke and made another choice on draft day if he wouldn’t sign for less.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
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by t ball on Jan 28, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I had an angry fanpost calling Bud a two-timing bitch after Galloway's article.
I deleted it after Hicks said MLB didn’t reject the Purke offer.
Hicks in essence lied but technically didn’t.
Now the facts are out.
Hicks is a shit-nosed weasel, and Bud is a two-timing bitch.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
“We were disappointed that the family insisted on $6 million. The Texas Rangers were not willing to do that. It had nothing to do with MLB restrictions. There is a clear misimpression we didn’t sign Matt Purke because MLB wouldn’t let us. That’s not true. We didn’t because of Tom Hicks, Nolan Ryan and Jon Daniels. We were not willing to go to $6 million.”
No, there is no truth to his statement here whatsoever.
Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."
Nice to see his families honor restored
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Are we in Sicily now?
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jan 28, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Time For More
Time to deliver some more horses’ heads.
by Mister Naxal on Jan 28, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
what was the horse's name?
that was a trivia question at Flying Saucer the other night
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Khartoum
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
that's right
a city in Sudan
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'll give you their honor
but I still question the reasoning that one goes through leading to telling your son that he shouldn’t accept $4M, ever… even out of strictest form of princple, I accept $4M
You are set for life, and you start your career on a wonderful foot with a local team clearly building something
If I was the Rangers....
In this years draft I would select every 1st round pick as a guy that will want above slot….and then pay them what they want the day after the draft to screw MLB trying to keep the other similar picks salaries down….
THen I would give the finger to Bud during the press conference.
by death of the cool on Jan 28, 2010 7:12 PM CST reply actions
Yeah
That’s a good way for a new ownership group to win friends and influence people in MLB.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Is it anymore
than essentially firing a broadside at the current commissioner for intentionally crippling your draft?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Absolutely
Saying that Selig didn’t let them spend what they wanted on Purke doesn’t impact anyone besides the Rangers and their fanbase, and even then only for freaks like us.
Signing multiple first rounders to well above slot deals the day after the draft screws over (or at least, would be perceived as screwing over) many teams and would definitely alienate the Commissioner’s office.
I don’t think Greenberg wants to piss off the 29 other owners, or Selig.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Signing multiple first rounders to overslot deals
isn’t that what the Rangers essentially did this year with Purke and Scheppers? If this aggressive style of talent acquisition is what JD wants to do, go ahead and do it. After the sale goes through, I don’t think it matters too much what the other 29 owners think of our draft strategy.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
And that was under Hicks
My opinion is that Hicks agreed to the $6MM even though he didn’t have it because he wanted to give the impression to everyone, including creditors, that he still had money. It was a ploy and he was thinking that if people thought he had money he could get more financing. If he did all signability picks everyone would know the boat was sinking.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Sure
But teams announce the deals at the deadline, not the day after the draft.
That’s sort of an “eff you” to the rest of the league. And pissing off the rest of the owners, and the commissioner, is bad business.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
And the rangers to an extent, shoot themselves in the foot
if they sign players way over slot as that sets the bar higher for next year, just like agents use comps to negotiate new contracts.
by swampdonkey on Jan 28, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think you understand how soft slotting works.
You can’t officially sign someone for over slot the day after the draft. The commissioner’s office won’t approve the deals, which is the step that makes them actually signed. You can agree to terms with them, but they can’t suit up or anything.
The Royals were prepared to announce Wil Myers (3rd round) and Chris Dwyer (4th round) almost immediately after the draft, but their official signings were held off until August, because the commissioner wouldn’t approve their deal.
There’s also a rule that you can’t publicly announce a signing like that before it’s official, so it’s not like Ryan or Daniels can announce they’ve signed someone and the commissioner is blocking it. They’re not allowed to comment on it for fear of repercussions.
Yes I knew that MLB offices had to approve it...
My idea was more with what you said about publicly coming out and saying they agreed to “X” amount of money after the draft….
Adam, I was more or less just spouting off….I know Greenberg would in no way want to rock the boat, and I do agree that it would piss of the mlb teams as much as it would piss of MLB officials.
by death of the cool on Jan 28, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
then you call out the bitch that is Bud Selig, letting your fans know HE is the one stopping you from signing your top draft pick.
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
While that does strike my revenge bone nicely
What does that really accomplish? Given that we’ll need Bud’s approval to sign off on any overslot draft deals in the future?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Purke is gonna have to slide to the bottom of the first round in 2011
For the Rangers to be able to get him
Not if an above-.500 team...
…signs Frankie Francisco.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe his demands will get even more exorbitant in the future.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jan 28, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows where Purke will be selected
in 2011? The Purke’s took a gamble by not taking 4 million and hoping Matt’s arm would hold up and his draft value would increase by 2011. I respect their right to do that but wouldn’t have made that decision if it were me. It seems like one of those “principle” things where you stick to your guns because you don’t want the other guy to get away with something and you end up screwing yourself. I hope he does well and has a great career but it was a gamble, no doubt about it.
Yes, thank you for stating that...
I knew I couldn’t be the only person who felt that Purke was stupid for turning down that money. I’m sure he was disappointed, but it came across at the time as acting quite spoiled. And when a father becomes so vocal about the athletic affairs of his son, it tends to remind you many other dads who appear to be exploiting their son. Now I’m sure they are good, principled people, but anyone turns down 4 million to play a game deserves at least a little bit of antagonism.
by Bats and Balls on Jan 28, 2010 11:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
unless college education and the college experience
truly played a part in his decision
still…FOUR MILLION DOLLARS!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Actually,
Slot was for considerably less than $4 million. If Selig were calling the shots, then the Rangers were limited to about $2.3 million, or could have simply been told, “Forget it, you ain’t signing him at all.” We simply don’t know. The $4 million dollar figure has been thrown around in the press, but the truth is that we just don’t know what was discussed.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Shame we didn't have a better idea of the situation
We could have chosen Shelby Miller, who KLaw just ranked the 38th best prospect in baseball.
And for that, I scorn Tom Hicks
Take that, EG!
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Jan 28, 2010 7:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like
a shoe salesman. Or a Senator from South Dakota.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Ladies Shoe Salesman?
I'm With COCO!!!
by Baseball North on Jan 28, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
I need to get one of those shirts
STAT.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like he's related to
Craig James to me…
WHY ISN'T MY KID IN THE SHOW???
DON’T YOU DARE LOCK HIM IN A SHED, RON WARSHINGTON!
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jan 28, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
I still like the move
if we signed him at 4 mil, great. We didn’t. We didn’t because we were handicapped, not because we didn’t think 6 mil was worth it. Now we move onto next year and take 2 high 1st round picks. We’ll see who they are, but I like the move.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I look forward to this topic
dying out. We probably already know too much as it is.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Does this put the lid on the sale?
I dare say Nolan wouldn’t want to anger Selig if anything was still up in the air.
And he just threw him under a nitrous powered bus…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
No - this throws Hicks way the fuck further under the bus - into the drivetrain or wheelwell
Hicks approved $6MM and knew or should have known he didn’t have it. He fucked this up. MLB just stuck by his slotting system which you would expect since they were in charge.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Wasn't 4mil still over slot?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Maybe but it was close I think
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
No
not really that close to slot. That 4 million would still have been the biggest bonus to a HS player in the first round.
ANd that includes consensus better talents like Matzek.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Turner got 4.75 and a ML deal.
Do your research you bitch.
Also
Detroit Tigers do not care about their 40 man roster a great deal.
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
In Dave Dombrowski's world, the 40 does not trump all
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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 28, 2010 7:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Reported slot was 1.6-2.0 million
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
And that just occurred to me - MLB isn't to blame
I was pissed earlier because MLB wouldn’t kick in the $2MM for someone who could help the system. But what else could MLB do? Agree to personally pay for an overslot payday and then turn around to other owners and say “shame on you.” They did what they had to do.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Yep
Not MLB’s fault….as I was reading through this I was waitin for someone to say this.
by groundingout on Jan 28, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
This is correct. It is Hicks who is to blame for this.
MLB would have done the same for any team in that situation, but it was Hicks who put the team in that situation – and then kept his front office in the dark about it.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Fuck them both
Hicks is a dumb ass with an ego too big for his standing and his idiocy bit us in the ass all of last year, but that doesn’t mean Bud Selig shouldn’t go fuck himself.
This wasn’t about the slot system and this certainly won’t reign in spending this year. It was a pretty petty move by Selig on one of the biggest violators of the slotting system in recent years. If he wanted to make himself useful, he should finally launch an investigation about the A’s signing of Ynoa. This was just a bitch move.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Why - because Selig stuck by his own system?
It wasn’t petty it was about trying to preserve the system.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
It's basically an honor system
If anyone should honor it it’s the designer of the system.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
See below
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Here's the deal.
All those over-slot deals we’ve seen? The commissioner’s office has approved all of them. So, I ask again, what’s there to preserve?
OK
The Rangers already agreed to $6MM, which was hugely over slot. MLB couldn’t pay that and still tell other teams “tsk tsk.”
MLB agreed to $4MM even though it was still over slot (by a decent amount) and hoped the Rangers could get it done and save face and get a good prospect for the organization that MLB wanted sold.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
What exactly does this do
to perserve the system? Do you think if Anthony Ranaudo is sitting there at 22, it’d stop JD from taking him next year?
This does nothing to discourage teams from taking expensive players if they had a history of doing so.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
What is MLB supposed to do?
Say “do as I say not as I do?” All the owners want the slotting system to keep bonuses down but they’ll also sneak one in. MLB IS the owners so how is the commissioner going to fuck all of them over for one team and also demonstrate that he doesn’t give a shit about the slotting system? He’d be neutered (more).
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
He already
allowed 4 million. What was the difference between 4 and 6? It was an extremely petty move to set that $ amount at some arbitrary # and say “well, so sorry!”
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Difference was a good amount over slot versus a whole shitload
It’s a 50% difference – that’s a big difference when you’re over slot in the first place. I remember all the discussion and everyone was talking about how Purke should be happy with $4MM given what he should have been slotted.
Why did MLB approve $4MM? Because the Rangers had already come to an agreement with the kid so (guessing) they thought $4MM is still plenty over slot so we’ll agree to that if the Rangers can get it done. They couldn’t.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
x
MLB IS the owners so how is the commissioner going to fuck all of them over for one team
I don’t see how the Purke signing fucks anyone over. It would’ve been announced last second and wouldn’t have affected any other deals. Teams and players knew that Purke wanted an astronomical sum to begin with, so they wouldn’t have been surprised at the number.
also demonstrate that he doesn’t give a shit about the slotting system?
Given the sheer number of over-slot signs every year, I think it’s pretty fucking obvious that Bud’s conceded the fight.
ach
Last second signings and the fact that everyone knew Purke wanted a huge amount isn’t the issue. If it had been the Mariners, people would have been irritated. If MLB paid it (with the owners money) they would have been pissed and everyone would always shit on the system.
Sure, Bud may have given up the fight but that doesn’t mean he should contribute to fucking over his own system.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
think selig does the same if the dodgers or yanks or mets were in the same situation?
i dont…
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
No, because he had no business being involved
The truth of the matter is that Selig IS at fault here. He’s NOT ALLOWED TO RUN INDIVIDUAL FRANCHISES no matter what their financial situation is. That would be the same as Selig calling up John Daniels and telling him to trade Michael Young tho the Brewers in the midst of a pennant race or he won’t fund payroll for September. Its a conflict of interest, and undue meddling. If he wants to enforce a slot, he has to make draft slots a league wide rule and reject any contract not in slot. otherwise he shouldn’t turn around and force one team to adhere to slotting simply because their finances put them in debt to MLB.
I know that if I was an owner I and I owed money to MLB, I’d pay them back instantly for fear that Lord Selig would start screwing over my franchise.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Of course, there's a flipside there
That he’s not running a franchise, he (or a party he was responsible for) was just doling out the cash for us. And if there weren’t reasonable limits that Selig (or the office he oversees) we could have gone completely nuts with house cash. There’s going to have to be reasonable limits if we’re being fronted operating funds, and if the 4 million total is correct that’s actually a pretty generous sum, given the situation.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
That depends
On whether you think that $6 million to Purke was “reasonable”. More than likely it was Selig going back on his word to Hicks to attempt to espouse remaining “in slot”
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
You are absurd.
MLB has no obligation to give money to teams so they can go over slot to pay draft picks. If the team had enough money to pay their bills it wouldn’t even be an issue. This is like a guy circling bankruptcy whining that the bank won’t loan him money to buy a Lexus.
Some folks on this board are so absurd they would whine that MLB didn’t give the team 20 million in the offseason to sign a free agent.
As far as your second paragraph, I see nothing wrong with that. Teams shouldn’t be borrowing money from MLB, anyway. There is no incentive to prop up stupid ownership behavior.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Yes.
I guess there’s a chance Hicks didn’t know he was headed for the financial trouble that he ended up being in, but he must have had some idea and kept to his ‘business as usual’ mantra. He also lied later to the press about MLB’s involvement and I feel stupid now for believing that.
You know
this makes the Purke thing understandable, but it is still beyond dumb to turn down a 4 million dollar bonus when a better prospect who was selected earlier (Tyler Matzek) signed for less.
I think the question I want to know now is who was the driving force behind the drafting of Purke? Did the Hopkins/Levine/Preller braintrust like Purke more than everyone else or was this some Texas High Heat from Nolan?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I know
you had questions about Purke’s weird delivery.
What was it that was so troubling?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
It's not a weird delivery.
Just not efficient. That was pretty universally accepted in the scouting community. He’s pretty much a slinger with stiff front leg. That’s the best way to say it.
Yes.
But that oversimplifies it to an extent.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 29, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
I can understand being pissed that you agreed to 6 and now are only getting 4....
but you are right about taking what you are getting…
What are the chances you get better than 4 mil in 2 years vs the chances that you have arm troubles or have a bad year…
I know all athletes think they will always get better and nothing can touch them….but it has happened in the past where a guy turned down millions and never got them back.
by death of the cool on Jan 28, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Wager...
“And I’d wager that, come 2011, when Purke is a draft-eligible sophomore, if he’s there on the board when the Rangers pick, the Rangers will take him, and Nolan will see that Purke gets signed.”
And I’ll wager that he will sign for less than $4 million in 2011.
Do you think
that whoever the next commissioner is will actually force through a slotting system?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Or maybe he saying Purke will lose some stock and drop to us with the 30th pick....
by death of the cool on Jan 28, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of like Matt Harvey
also, former Rangers draft pick Jack Armstrong is now apparently an awesome pitcher now.
That makes Ranaudo, Pomeranz and now Armstrong.
This FO is pretty good.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Armstrong has to do it in-season.
He’s done well on the Cape, but not in the SEC. Still time between now and June 2011.
Real quick
Chevez Clarke – what’s his power ceiling?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Not high at all.
He has a great hit tool, but there’s not much power projection at all. He’s a guy you want leading off, not hitting third. Good current tools include the hit tool, running speed, and arm, and he’s got the potential to be above-average in center. He’s supposedly very coachable, too.
What do you hear about
Firebat’s crush Yordy?
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Good things.
He’s not a shortstop, maybe not a third baseman, but he’ll still hit enough to be a corner outfielder. Kid’s got a good bat. He’s just a little too old for the competition, so it’s harder to gauge.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 29, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a random thought
If Drayton McClane ends up selling the Astros soon, I could see him being considered a prime candidate for the Bud’s job after he leaves.
Haven’t decided yet if that would be good or bad.
Draft eligible sophomore...
…who turned down $4 million in 2009.
If he pitches well, he has a ton of leverage — he can go back in the draft the next year and still have a year of eligibility after that.
If he is good, he’ll get more than $4 million, and if the Rangers draft him, unless he just flames out at TCU, I bet they’ll pay him more than that.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 28, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
That's a whole lot of fatass ifs
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Jan 28, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
just a wager
I think the odds are against him.
by Brandon Wilson on Jan 28, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I don't see him absolutely sucking
but I bet he doesn’t retain a top 15 ranking
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't bet on him getting more than 4M
How many players got that this past year? 4 or 5?
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by NothinG on Jan 28, 2010 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm just glad we didn't lose scheppers too.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Jan 28, 2010 7:42 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I hope his arm doesn't fall off
Not mediocre. Right about average
Scheppers, health aside, is the better arm for this team
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Let's look at the silver lining of the Purke pick, non-signing, and ensuing meltdown
Without that, we wouldn’t have had jayslick’s epic rant against Adam soliciting divorces and destroying families.
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by WestTxAg06 on Jan 28, 2010 7:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
buy 1 get 1 free!!!!
heh. one of my better moments. that and tony snow….
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
I hope Selig's arm falls off
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by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Jan 28, 2010 7:50 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Here's maybe a stupid question
but why couldn’t they go to Purke and say, let’s restructure the deal. We’ll give you $4M now and $2M next year, or can only major league deals be structured that way? Maybe they tried that and MLB would’t budge.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
You're allowed to do that.
But it brings down the present value of the deal. It’d have to be a bigger future sum.
Who says they didnt?
The only thing i keep reading is 4 million dollars. No other dollar amount higher than that.
"At 5 o’clock on the day of the deadline, they called and told us what the amount was," Ryan said during a question-and-answer session. "And it wasn’t nearly enough."
was 4 million the bonus? or the contract? that could explain why Randy was able to report a totally different and lower amount.
Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."
I still am amazed
that folks blame Bud.
It’s like being upset that the bank won’t give me more money to buy a car when I’m entering bankruptcy. The problem in this particular case is all HSG for being as leveraged as they were. Tough to blame MLB.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
TR has an interview w/Hicks up
I wish just one freakin’ media person would ask Hicks if the terminal debt the Rangers fell into was directly related to the purchase of the Liverpool soccer team like Meno has speculated.
Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.
I want to punch Matt Vasgersian
in the face. That is all.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Did he say "Santa Maria!" again?
Because that’s what he says everytime the stupid CPU robs me of a HR in MLB the show.
I have to resist the urge to severely maim my television.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
When George W. Bush
took over the team “that team had no weapons of mass production!”.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
by FirebatM3 on Jan 28, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, when you chuckle
the h’s are silent?
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
If he said no...
… would you believe him? For that matter, would you really put much credence in any answer he gave to that question?
I wish just one freakin’ media person would ask Hicks if the terminal debt the Rangers fell into was directly related to the purchase of the Liverpool soccer team like Meno has speculated.
What else could it be? That’s the only thing I’ve ever thought happened.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 29, 2010 2:28 AM CST up reply actions
his and other investors' other investments
It wasn’t just Hicks, it was the total investing board of HSG
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I blame MLB because I look for any reason whatsoever to swear at Bud.
I admit I’m being irrational.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Jan 28, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here is what I don't understand
if the A’s were in a similar situation – basically out of money – and MLB stepped in and fronted the money for 2-3 times slot for their draft pick, would we be happy?
There is simply no way that Bud could do that. That is a signal to every other team in the league that being frugal and working within your budget gets punished.
Go Rice Owls!
Except
Its not like the rangers were out of money because they had overspent. They were out of money because the economy screwed some of the investments made by HSG.
For example, if I buy a house for $150k, and finance $120k and because the neighborhoods market values drop so that my house is now worth only $110 k I can’t refinance because I owe $10k more than its worth. But that’s not because I spent $2000 on a big screen TV.
Investment groups get hit hard by recessions, because they can’t keep large cash reserves. Money stored in Cash or in “safe” investments like Money Markets don’t give ROI, so they put a drag on the overall earnings of the group.
Why I’m particularly pissed at Hicks for is that when the team finances were going south, he didn’t put his own money in to get through the year, instead borrowing from Selig. I’m even more upset with Selig, because I know that Hicks would never have borrowed money from the man unless he’d been assured that MLB would not interfere with the operations. The fact that MLB stepped on his (Hicks’) attempt to sign his number 1 draft pick shows that Selig can lie not only to the rest of us, but to the owners as well. I can guarentee that no other owner will EVER go to MLB for a loan in the future.
And if the A’s were in that situation I would be praying for them to sign their pick for whatever they wanted to. Its really quite stupid if you consider it. Matt Purke for $6 million dollar signing and some miniscule salary, then you control him for 7 years? Help me out here? how is this a bad thing? Even if he busts, $6 million is not that much to be honest.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
We agreed to give Purke $6 million before the draft?
Someone help me. Why did we do that? Even if we thought we had the money to spend, I don’t understand (a) why Purke deserved to go THAT far over slot and (b) why we were making that promise before the draft. I really hope this wasn’t Nolan acting solo to draft and sign the guy he wanted.
look above. For what it's worth
Andy says the scouting team really liked him.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Right.
Plus, this:
I really hope this wasn’t Nolan acting solo to draft and sign the guy he wanted.
Is such a batshit insane scenario…overrule your scouting department and act solo to draft & sign a guy? I think it’s much more likely that the Rangers identified Purke as their no.1 guy in terms of dudes who would be around by the time they picked, and Nolan (with his ties to Purke’s agent) assisted with negotiating a deal.
If the scouting team really liked him, that's fine.
But who made the decision that Purke was worth $6 million? I have a hard time believing that Purke was really asking $8 million but we somehow got him down to $6 million.
I think the reality is
That the “slotting” system is a big joke.
If you are going to have a slotting system, it needs to reflect the quality of the pick.
that is, whatever you want for the number 1 pick, $6 million to $5 million for numbers 2-5, then gradually work your way down through the first round.
Then, allow for trading of draft picks so that if you are the Nationals, and you don’t need to spend $20 million on Strasburg, you can trade that pick to the Mets and get back their first 3 picks plus some prospects and maybe a young player.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
FYI - Jamie on w/Ben and Skin
Audio LINK – JIC you don’t spot it in the fanpost.
Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.
IgnorePost
They’ve been renamed, foo.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
FanShots never get read
Should have been IgnoreShots.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
if I was Purke, I'd be pissed too
and I’d tell Nolan Ryan to go to hell. Some other team could have picked me and met my demands. Don’t draft me if you’re not the one holding the purse, dumbass.
And for you jackasses saying he should have been lucky to get $4M, let’s see what you guys do when you agree to a $100K salary and then when the paychecks come, you’re getting paid 2/3 of that. Even if you’re still overpaid, I’m betting that you would be pissed and complain.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
I agree
I’d be pissed…but I’d still take the $66,000 salary (if it meant I was overpaid), rather than get paid nothing and hope to get paid more in two years.
my better is better than your better.
anyways
we’re going to beast it up in the draft this upcoming year.
and speaking of the draft…who are our potential targets for our first few picks? who are our resident draft experts? firebat? seiler? help a bro out…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Ill answer for Firebat if he doesnt mind...
YORDY CABRERA!!!!
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
link
http://www.baseballrumormill.com/tags/yordy-cabrera/
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Also
from Andy’s awesome site..
http://mlbbonusbaby.com/category/2010-position-capsules/
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Andy
has us picking Alex Wimmers and Bryce Bentz. Id like the Rangers to take Cabrera then Bentz.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
FYI
I’m putting together a draft notebook with about 750 individual writeups that will be available as a PDF for $9.99 the weekend before the draft. It will be just as valuable as a draft reference as an item to use during the actual draft.
I have an initial follow list for the notebook of some 816 guys at this very moment, so I’ll be adding and subtracting names as I go. It will have the vitals of players (height/weight, etc.), high school and juco college commitments, college stats, and individual reports on each player.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 29, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
How many of those 750 have you seen in person?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 29, 2010 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
It will be a pretty large number come June.
I live in the southeast, so I get a very large amount of talent come through in addition to my travels.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 29, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Nice
Count on me for one purchase. Actually my buddy and i are planning several road trips this year to attempt to see most of the top college prospects.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 29, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome.
But…maybe could it come out more than the weekend before the draft? Seems like a lot to get through in that amount of time.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 29, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I want it to be as up-to-date as possible on draft day.
That’s why that’s the release date.
by Andy Seiler on Jan 29, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
For years to come
This site will be tracking the 2010 15th pick vs.Purke.
by Evil Monkey on Jan 29, 2010 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
I think
We will be comparing this year’s pick to Purke and not Purke by himself. In the end, this might actually be a good move depending on who we draft. Maybe the guy we draft this year will be a better player than Purke? When I say better, I mean talent in the long run and not hype/potential at draft time.
If the draft was in June but MLB didn't take over until July,
and they already had a deal in place, why didn’t they just announce the deal before they had to have MLB approval?
Purke
It’s amazing to me that people were saying that stuff about Purke and his family. It would have been great to have him in the system, but come on, give the kid a break.
Not mediocre. Right about average
OT: Darren Woodson says excessive partying costs Bills super bowls
"They (Bills players) were out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Couple guys got into altercations in the clubs, older, veteran guys with the Bills.
"Experience doesn’t mean that much, it’s all about leadership. There’s a reason they (Bills) lost four Super Bowls. They partied harder than any other team."
Partied harder than the mid-90's Cowboys?
Yeah, I believe that. Sure.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jan 28, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
They should get an award for that
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 28, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
No shit, that's some serious partying.
That’s Minnesota Vikings Sex Boat-level partying.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jan 28, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Can we finally stop bringing up Purke now
I understand that it’s a story right now, but I’m ready to move on and I like the fact that we have 4 picks in this years draft.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jan 28, 2010 10:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
There were talks about having to rework Purke's mechanics right?
I think I remembered hearing that and being worried about that due to how poorly its gone with BB,
Anyone know the success ratio of guys having to rework their mechanics and having similar stuff? Not their success rate as players but that they didn’t lose anything after changing and giving it a few months.
What they could of done
They could of hired me for 2.5 million as a special consultant. Then I would pay Purke upfront for the possibility of having him do commercials for my business if he ever became a successful, renowned baseball player. This way, Purke would now be a Ranger prospect and I would have several hundred thousand dollars for the government to take.
Forgot to mention
Purke would of agreed on their 4 million contract and the additional 2 million would have been funded by me through the Rangers.
Could/would have, not could/would of
pet peeve
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Pet peeve
could have, not could of.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Oops
just saw Keynes shares my pet peeve. I should’ve read that first…
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
It's a good peeve to keep for a pet
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Jan 29, 2010 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the "of"
The problem comes from the contraction – could have becomes could’ve, which sounds like could of.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Oh yeah...
Stupid mistake on my part. Sad thing is, I reread it several times and failed to notice it on each occasion. Shows that I got all my English courses out of the way in high school and never have had to take any in college. I try to be semi-correct on my grammar or at least avoid all the slang terms that represent my generation.
Fuck Tom Hicks.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." -- Vince Lombardi
by coolaid on Jan 29, 2010 5:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand...
If you had already agreed to the amount before the draft, in June…and MLB didn’t nix the deal until July…then why didn’t you sign him immediately after the draft!!! If it was already agreed upon!!! Why am I yelling???!!!
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
Okay
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
by LSJ on Jan 29, 2010 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Well done, LSJ
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I don't see how Canada comes in last...
always, ALWAYS blame Canada
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
now we need a pie chart showing the most repeated types of fail
reply fail
their/they’re/there fail
pic size fail
and so on.
I think it's time we let go of the whole Purke saga and move on...
This team has too much going for it to worry anymore about Matthew fucking Purke.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jan 29, 2010 10:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Question for you Adam
I know this might be a bit simplistic, but could it not have been possible that once Selig blocked the deal, that Ryan could have gone to Purke and basically said, “4M is all they are allowing us to offer you now but you have my word that once we have new ownership in place and we are able to that we will find a way to get you the other 2M we had agreed upon previously and uphold our end of the deal”
Oh sure it's possible, and maybe it happened.
But those stupid polygamist fucks got greedy.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
that's right
a city in Sudan
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:26 AM CST reply actions
this doesn't fit here.
or make sense.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 29, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Really AJM?
Normally I agree with you on stuff like this, but I think you’re lumping in all those who were angry at the time with the few who took it too far. I doubt that many of us really want his arm to fall off…just like I doubt many of us really want to see Tom Hicks get fucked in the eye hole…or somebody to kill Sweeney using fire and sharp pointy things…etc. One of the cool things about LSB is that we passionately follow the Rangers, including important events that don’t actually involve games. Which also means that we react with GDT emotion to events that don’t actually involve games. You can see it in free agent signings, draft day excitement, ownership updates, trade rumor speculation, etc.
I think it’s a natural reaction to wish some sort of Karmic retribution for someone who was so stubbornly set on a specific number when the situation had obviously changed. Turning down $4,000,000.00 is a move that, while calculated, also entails a ton of risk. The move itself can be questioned from the point of view of Purke, let alone from the view of hardcore Rangers fans. So what’s wrong with wishing/hoping that Purke doesn’t get $4,000,000.00 whenever he gets drafted again? That’s the base of the emotion that, admittedly, got taken too far. But that’s exactly what happens around here on everything from prospect rankings to infield singles.
For those that took it so far as to truly wish Purke met with injuries that ruined his career, they should feel shamed for it. But I don’t see why you should take venting at Purke in a situation that Purke(’s camp) is party to blame for as anything other than initial emotional reactions.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Ok, yes they were emotional reactions
but does not make it ok to spew extreme vitriol towards Purke and his family, as so many did. And Adam did not lump anyone, he merely pointed out that too many took things too far. You’re acting as if he said everyone here should apologize.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
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