A's Acquire David DeJesus
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2010 6:14 PM CST
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PrintThe Oakland A's have reportedly acquired David DeJesus from the Kansas City Royals for RHP Vin Mazzaro and LHP Justin Marks.
This deal is weird on a couple of different levels. First, DeJesus is the sort of combo-outfielder that Billy Beane seems to have been collecting since back with he got Terrence Long from the A's. Good OBP, not much pop, very good defender at a COF spot, stretched defensively in CF.
In fact, sitting here thinking about it, I'm thinking DeJesus has a doppleganger on the Rangers. Is DeJesus Spanish for "Murphy"?
Secondly, DeJesus is a free agent after this season, so the A's are moving a couple of young pitchers (albeit low-ceiling young pitchers) for a one-year rental. DeJesus is under contract for $6 million for 2011, which is reasonable, but still, this is a one-year move.
Third, there seems to be some consternation about this move from Rangers fans, which I really don't get. DeJesus is a decent player, but his lack of pops means he's not really a big asset in a COF position, and his defense makes him problematic as a regular CF. The perception of DeJesus seems to be that he's a 20/20 guy you can play in CF, but in reality, he doesn't steal bases any more and has never hit more than 13 homers in a season, with double digits only twice.
This seems like the poor man's version of the Matt Holliday trade. Give up some assets you can afford to part with for a guy who might help you some in the short run, and who you can flip at the deadline if you aren't in the race.
UPDATE -- Comparing the stats:
David DeJesus: .289/.360/.427, .342 wOBA (career)
David Murphy: .282/.342/.460, .349 wOBA (career)
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I think KG said it best:
David DeJesus was consistently over-rated just because he was really good FOR THE ROYALS. Kinda like when McLouth was a Pirate.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
t camp
i remember thinking he was a badass back in the day just by looking at the stats on the back of his baskeball card. this was before he left the twolves
He would probably be less highly thought of if his name didn't have Jesus in it.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
by Aqua on Nov 10, 2010 6:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
That jackanape quote has so much win in it.
I fully expect to see it in a movie script someday. Just can’t figure out who will deliver the lines.
Pacino in another cartoonish dramatics performance? A straight-faced Will Ferrell in his last comedy?
It's a good trade for the A's
DeJesus isn’t all that good. He’s not great, he’s probably just league average.
That said – a league average bat is still a considerable improvement over the types of guys the A’s had been running out there. Their offense wasn’t as bad as the M’s was, but it was pretty bad. This is a pretty substantial boost to the A’s given that their baseline was so low. DeJesus’s worst year in his career would have been right in line with what the A’s crop of OFers did last year.
As for Mazzano, he’s the perfect type of pitcher to trade high on. Not that good with kind of pretty numbers despite icky peripherals (helped by a deceiving home ballpark).
Hard to spin this as anything but an A’s win.
Go Rice Owls!
also
thinking about it, it isn’t necessarily a bad trade for the Royals either. They aren’t going to compete this year -their window is probably 2012-2015 wtih their prospects. Draft picks from DeJesus leaving would come too late for that and aren’t a guarantee. This at least gives them a guy who may be able to develop into something better than he appears to be right now. That’s a decent gamble on their part.
Go Rice Owls!
Yeah its a good trade for the A's
And depending on DeJesus’s FA type status next year it could net them a draft pick.
But I don’t think i’d give up Tommy Hunter for him even if we had a spot for him in the OF
Haha
@Kevin_Goldstein suppose the trade paves the way for francouer, then is it a bad trade?
No, that’s a separate stupid move. RT @TonyMBase:
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
The only thing that I would worry as a Ranger fan is that...
DeJesus could be type A FA at the end of next season which depends on a few things (A’s offering arb and his performance next year) but the A’s getting two compensatory picks for DeJesus would suck.
Or they could do what KC should've done this year
and flip him before the trade deadline (yeah, he got hurt, that part isn’t KC’s fault).
DeJesus was born to be an Oakland Athletic....
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 10, 2010 6:34 PM CST reply actions
I did now...
“Everything about DeJesus playing in Oakland just feels right. Had I been drinking, I might have even suggested to you that he was already there.”
It’s so goddamn true.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 10, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
My consternation doesn't stem from overrating Dejesus.
It stems from a division rival improving their team without giving up anything valuable. KC could’ve gotten more. I would say keeping him and getting the compensation picks when he eventually leaves would’ve been more than they got from this trade.
And if those compensation picks don't pan out
Like most dont
They get a guy who has proven he can pitch in the major leagues. How good isn’t the question. The Royals have a farm system that looks to ripen within the next couple years. And with the expected departure of Greinke perhaps they wanted someone who they could fill a rotation spot with rather than a sandwich pick that may or may not ever make it to the majors.
When we traded Tex we had nothing and were in complete rebuild mode. Perhaps if we had a farm system that had several top notch prospects in the mid-upper levels we would have targeted guys closer to the majors to help when those others were up instead of Feliz and Andrus (guys who were in A ball at the time). teams have to consider their own unique situation and do whats best for them
Dejesus isn't free, he costs $6 million
Supposedly, the A’s had some money to spend this offseason, and they’ve already spent at least ~$26-27million for next season. I can’t imagine that they have too much more than that.
Well
Presumably, they’d rather have Mazzaro and Marks than nothing.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Uhh...disregard that.
I was still thinking of the compensation picks from the next year and screwed myself up.
I don't know...
…that KC could have gotten that much more.
Mazzaro isn’t anything special, but is an okay low-ceiling major league ready arm. Marks’ peripherals were pretty solid this year in A ball.
Let’s say the Rangers had traded Tommy Hunter and Matt Thompson for DeJesus. Would we be sitting here crowing that we got DeJesus for nothing?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
They just waived a low-ceiling major league ready arm (Bannister might be more expensive than I think)
And we have less use for DeJesus than Oakland does. Oakland’s situation makes it more beneficial for them.
Got it.
Slightly more excusable. I don’t really see how it helps KC in the long-term, unless Marks is better than advertised. Even then, I would think you could get a similar young pitcher through comp picks. Mazzaro just does nothing for me.
Not that this means anything
but if we had gotten those guys for David Murphy, I think we’d all be pretty pissed
hmmm...
Is DeJesus Spanish for “Murphy”?
literally translated, it means Of Murphy.
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he tastes like chicken too
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
I wonder if this means the A's are going to move one of their other OF'ers
as part of a package deal?
I’m crossing my fingers and hoping Ryan F’in Sweeney is shipped off to the NL.
Why?
As a NL fan with limited knowledge of the players involved, Sweeney seems like a pretty weak bat.
That's terrible news.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Fuck them
jorgearangure Also, appears the #mariners are in the lead for top Dominican amateur SS Esteilon Peguero.
by Judy'sLewinsky on Nov 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
You're an asshole.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
This angers me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
now I feel bad that I was working on a "say something mean about the M's in as many posts in a row" streak today
Go Rice Owls!
I feel bad
That they won’t be tortured listening to Dave Niehaus anymore.
You can still call me LSJ if you want to.
You are a piece of shit.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I try not ro speak badly of the dead. It gives me the right to demand that people do the same of me one day
Just a genius at large
"You can make something fool proof but not damn fool proof"
Dwight Eisenhower
by Cliff Phelps on Nov 10, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
I personally don't understand our society's obsession with that.
The dead don’t fucking care. They’re fucking dead. I’ve really never understood why the one time in a persons life when you have to stop talking shit about them is the one time they’re truly not going to care.
And please, nobody tell me it’s a “respect for the dead” thing, because it’s not. It’s about the live humans being reminded of their own mortality, and mentally shitting their pants.
You can still call me LSJ if you want to.
I think it's more of a "respect for the dead's family" thing.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That only applies if you actually know them or have to talk to them, IMO.
Which I don’t, happily.
You can still call me LSJ if you want to.
I don't know about you...
but I promise all of you guys that I will never die.
by blakethegr8 on Nov 11, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
when I die
you have my permission to talk shit to my corpse
by Alan Smithee on Nov 11, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
I never thought he was very good, but I work with a big M’s fan who was a little upset. After all, the guy had been calling M’s games since they went to Seattle.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
OT: that poll
That poll that’s always up there in the upper left of the screen…I’ve never quite understood it.
How are you feeling about the Rangers? Oh I’m feeling about an 85. What does this mean? Is it like the Gallop Presidential approval ratings? I thought it was about how they are playing, but they finally stopped playing and the poll is still there.
Anyone else notice
DeJesus has grounded into exactly 10 double plays in each of the last 5 years??? Freaky.
Ugh
BenBadler A’s sign top 16-year-old Dominican outfielder Vicmal de la Cruz (with video) http://bit.ly/c1KDug
I hope this isn't true.
800k is a bargain for that kid. Peguero won’t be that cheap RT @Kevin_Goldstein Sources indicate Vicmal De La Cruz bonus is $800K.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Jesus christ.
Check out this football game on ESPN2.
Fog Bowl. Can barely see the sidelines.
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"and to Adam J. Morris and the Lone Star Ball regulars; go fuck yourself."- cmkelly29
OT: looking at some minor league stats
Is Chris McGuiness a legit prospect?
.284 / .406 / .488 at 2 different A-ball stops last year at 22 years old.
I guess I don't understand the David DeJesus is overrated argument
just because he’s similar to David Murphy. Most of us would probably argue that David Murphy is quite good and actually underrated (though I’d also argue that his stats are also protected somewhat by platooning him)
No one thinks DeJesus is great. But most people would agree that he is good. And that he makes most teams he’s on better. Those people aren’t wrong. Who are you trying to convince again?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2010 10:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Is it possible
What if Kansas city is looking into a Grienke trade that involves an COF player in return?
That kind of trade would explain some of this. Remember last spring when the Rangers traderd Millwood. That set the stage for signing Harden. That didn’t pan out very well but you know what; I’d rather have had Harden than Millwood.
Just for laughs, Grienke and one other player for Josh Hamilton.
Just a genius at large
"You can make something fool proof but not damn fool proof"
Dwight Eisenhower
Hell no
Not for Josh.
I’d do it like this though
Murphy
Shep
Olt/Profar
One other prospect
for
Grienke
and one mid level guy
This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show
Weird trade.
I actually think the Royals did okay. DeJesus is fine but cost-controlled years from a guy like Mazzaro are more valuable than folks think. I’m not sold that his ceiling is as a BORP either.
No, DeJesus is not Spanish for Murphy.
I’ve always been a DeJesus fan. Too bad he’s with the A’s.. not that I care too much though.
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