Happy birthday, C.J. Wilson and Jamie Moyer
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 18, 2010 12:31 PM CST
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Happy birthday to current Ranger C.J. Wilson, who turns 30 today, and former Ranger Jamie Moyer, who turns 48 today.
Former Longhorn and two-time Ranger Mark Petkovsek also turns 45 today.
How long as Jamie Moyer been around? Well, the Rangers, who acquired him as part of the Rafael Palmeiro/Mitch Williams trade, decided, after he had had two mediocre seasons with Texas, to release him. He was released exactly 20 years and 5 days ago.
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The force will be with you... always.
"Hey Sanka, you can pee now... uuummm, too late...."
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by FormerLSBUser on Nov 18, 2010 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Happy B-day, CJ!
You’re not only one of my current favorite Rangers but you’re also in the Josey Wales Trust Tree of all-time favorite Ranger pitchers (with Nolan, Gerald Alexander, Fergie and Jon Matlack).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
No love for Cliff?
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
It was a torrid affair but he's flirting with the MF Yankees right now.
Hopefully he can pick up the pieces but he’s not in the JW Trust Tree…yet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
by Josey Wales on Nov 18, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
"hopefully we can pick up the pieces..."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
by Josey Wales on Nov 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
What about Colby Lewis?
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I like him a lot and consider his signing to be the greatest move
JD ever made but he’s not colorful enough to be in my tree.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
by Josey Wales on Nov 18, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
John Rocker is colorful heh
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
But he also sucked as a Ranger.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
I know you said colorful so I said someone colorful.
There was a lot of sarcasm in my post.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
If you were good to very good, pitched with style & panache,
showed some onions and weren’t afraid to overturn the apple cart of conventional wisdom by speaking your mind, you had a chance to be in the JW Trust Tree.
I always liked CJ before 2010 but he won me over by sticking it up the ass of LSB & EG ("teetering with tomfoolery) with his performance in both the regular and post-season this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
Good God...
I have enough 1991 Donruss Gerald Alexander cards to kill a man…
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 18, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Remember his curve ball?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
The best curveballs I've ever seen in The Show were thrown
by Koufax*, Ryan, Blyleven, Zito and Gerald Alexander.
*Only seen Koufax on Classic Sports or Greatest Games on MLB.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
I love the slow curve...
Give me Padilla’s 59 MPH looper.
I remember the first time I saw Aaron Sele’s curve… WOW.
And Gooden.
Alexander’s was awesome.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I know you're reading these, CJ
happy birthday, you sly mf’er
"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions
YAY!
Felix wins Cy Young!
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/11/18/1822318/felix-hernandez-2010-al-cy-young
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
This
Absolutely
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by DonDrapersOPS on Nov 18, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
A very defensible choice
Got no beefs with it. Good for him.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
I have no problem with it, but to repost what I just put in the morning thread
Glancing at the numbers just now, I think I’d have gone Lee over Felix.
I don’t have a real problem with F-Her winning, I’m not really going for the homer angle – I was in the Felix camp before just now – but Lee was better by comfortable margins in FIP, tERA, tRA+ and pRAA. Fangraphs WAR actually has Lee with almost a full win over Felix despite Lee having less innings, although Stacorner’s WAR says the exact reverse.
i'm surprised how comfortable the margin was...
but after lincecum last year, i guess more and more voters are able to read past mere W/L records…
You have to be too stupid not too
And this vote was particularly teed up well to vote against W-L. Seattle was by far the worst offense. Felix had a commanding lead in ERA. The other pitchers played on better offenses.
It was the easiest ERA over W-L vote you were ever going to get
Notice something:
Lee beat Felix in xFIP by just .03 with about 40 fewer IP. Not that I think Lee would be a bad choice or anything, but if you stay raw (ERA) it’s Felix easily, and if you regress all the way (xFIP), it’s Felix (less) easily.
You have to settle somewhere in the middle for it to be Lee. I don’t think Felix was the “right” choice, but I think he has the strongest argument, and certainly he was a better choice than Sabathia or Price.
I just don't buy that.
I cannot possibly believe there is any definitive measure for which pitcher was the best in the AL.
but doesnt it feel "right"? come on man, not everything has to be loaded into a formula for proof
Felix’s numbers, many would say, definitively put him at the top of the list. at least to 21 of 28 guys…there can be some subjective basis and it can still be deemed “right”.
Probably not
Because Halladay actually beat everyone in xFIP, and Latos’s advantages in the other categories weren’t nearly as significant as Lee/Felix.
haha, eat that Murray Chass!
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Good
It would have been a travesty had cc won.
I love that the last 2 winners now have been from teams who aren’t at the top so they don’t get the W all the time. I guess voters are starting to get past the good pitchers get the win mentality
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
how long before we start seeing peripherals factor in more?
Not to say that I think they should, I’m ambivalent
They will factor in some
But also actual results will be a large factor for a long time. Which is why ERA will be used regardless of how good or bad that is
I don't mind using real results
because while they’re not a great indicator of future performance, I don’t think we can know for sure whether they are completely out of the control of the pitcher.
We just think that pitchers can’t pitch to contact but we’re not sure.
But I wouldn’t mind using something like tRA that regresses a defense’s contribution a bit but doesn’t completely regress all balls in play.
I don't think it's particularly good or bad if you take in the context.
I absolutely believe you should not be giving a pitcher credit, in awards, for park and defense, but I also believe there is a great argument for not removing their good luck.
btw
I can never remember all of the stats but tRA (or tRA+?) is the stat I want to use, right? What is the difference between that and tERA or pRAA?
I think tRA is what you're looking for.
I believe tERA is different by not park-adjusting and scaling to ERA. I rarely use it, I only list it when I’m just listing stuff a FanGraphs page. If I actually want to use it, I just go to StatCorner and take it from the source.
Yeah, tRA at StatCorner is park adjusted.
I don’t know where to look at FanGraphs, but they don’t park adjust anything except for in the WAR formula, so I doubt it, and I feel like I’ve read somewhere before it’s not.
tERA is park adjusted
From the horses mouth.
Felix was the right choice
no reason to punish a guy because his team was so bad that they could not score runs in his games, he did his job and i give credit to the voters for making the right choice.
Quote from Yankees GM about the Texas Rangers Beating them in the 2010 ALCS "They manhandled us," Cashman said. "It was like a steamroller. We couldn't stop them."
Heh...
get this shit out of BGL’s birthday thread.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Cj needs a big fat new contract for his birthday
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
4/48? $ 9 million in 2011 followed by 3/39 from 2012-2014?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
I would offer him that today in a heartbeat
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
Thats actually a damn nice proposal
Although you will probably have to add on a couple option years at around 16-17 each most likely. Reason being because when CJ hits FA next winter he will most likely be looking for a deal longer than 3 years and based on this offseason so far he would most likely get it. As a FA next winter after a second straight good season as a starter he would be looking for a 5 year deal for 70 million most likely.
Do the 4/48 with 2 option years so the total could come out to 6/80.
I was figuring it would need to be a 5-6 yr deal
but what josey proposed seems pretty reasonable to me. I was thinking something like 5/55-60ish
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I don't give any options to CJ.
It’s a flat 4 year extension and I have a hard time believing he’d turn that down.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
I wasn't saying options, I think it would need to be a flat out 5yr deal
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Joseys proposal is great IMO
I just don’t believe CJ would go for it. Basically if we sign him now it will have to be a FA-esque contract except we have exclusive negotiating power. At CJs age he can’t afford to sign a “short term” deal and expect to get another multi year deal when that one is up at the age of 34 or 35. At that point he will be relegated most likely to one year deals at mid level money.
So in order to lock him up while also keeping our financial flexibility I think it will take a 4 year guarantee similar to what Josey proposed which wouldn’t kill us financially if something happens to him but also includes relatively easy to reach incentives that help CJ out to lock him up long term financially.
OT: Wanna see something crazy?
Possibly NSFW ads on the side (LiveLeak.com)
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
yeah, that qualifies.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Just by looking at her face
You can tell acid isn’t the only thing she’s done.
Fight to the end, now we ascend, together we will take them down.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Nov 18, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Hello everyone.
Been a while, just wanted to say hi.
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
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