Friday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 19, 2010 7:42 AM CST
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PrintQuiet day in terms of Rangers news this morning.
T.R. Sullivan has a new inbox column up, with Cliff Lee stuff, lots of questions about offseason acquisition targets, and how Derek Jeter could win the Gold Glove ahead of Elvis Andrus.
Josh Garoon looks at "if it all goes wrong" for the Rangers this offseason.
Maury Brown examines the Rangers' payroll obligations and salary outlook for 2011.
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AJM,
the link to Maury’s article also goes to Garoon’s piece.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
yes
Still looking for good news this morning!
Maury's article is from Monday anyway
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
I'm so depressed after reading it this morning
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yeah, not reading it.
no offense to t-rex
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
It's like he took my hopes and crushed them with his tiny t-rex arms
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I didn't take it that way.
Even if there is no glass, the Rangers could still compete for this division next year. And we’ve seen that our FO is opportunistic and not willing to sit on their hands; they can improve this club in the regular season too.
That's the silver lining.
Depressing as this scenario is, it doesn’t really lay the groundwork for the A’s and Angels to simply run away with the division.
For example, I think there could be arguments that even with Beltre and DeJesus, and even if Carter and Barton have strong seasons, and even if Iwakuma is legit in his first year, the A’s should still not expected to be much better than a 90-92 win team. And similar lines could be taken on the Angels, even with Crawford and Soriano and a full season of Morales and Haren.
The real question, then, is whether the Rangers go into next season with a 90-92 win expectation.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Lots of ifs.
If Ian/Josh/Nelly play 80% of their games next year. And CJ and Colby don’t regress too much. And Dutch takes a big step forward. And Vlad doesn’t completely run out of gas on us. And Moreland stabilizes the 1b position. If those things happen, I can see the Rangers winning 90 again next year without further additions to the team.
Exactly.
There’s also the question of Face: was 2010 the beginning of a steady decline, or will he regress back toward his career average OBP in 2011? Those 20 points at the top of the line-up could make a small but significant difference…
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I think Josey, Wash, and Mike are the only people who would
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
The Rangers will almost certainly have to add another starting pitcher
The quality of that pitcher plays a big role in what you would project the Rangers to be next year. I suppose the same could be said for Catcher if they bring in Martinez.
Also, I think it’s reasonable to hope for progression from Elvis, possibly Moreland and Borbon as well.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
it was funny, but as rangers fans there was too much of it that could actaully happen
but it was funny
Quote from Yankees GM about the Texas Rangers Beating them in the 2010 ALCS "They manhandled us," Cashman said. "It was like a steamroller. We couldn't stop them."
Do they have thumbs?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Watch it.
We also share her lovely personality.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
So did I for some reason.
Strange.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I think I would go on an AK-47 rampage at the mall if we give Vlad 2/18.
I’d only shoot the fat chicks and the douchbags though.
But still, AK-47 rampage.
Dirkatron Lite ...know your role.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hey, fat chicks need loving, too.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Nov 19, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
they just got to pay
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I see it as a reverse jinx.
No way all that shit happens now. Except the Cowboys-related stuff, of course.
Yeah, reverse jinxes are like birthday wishes
They don’t work if you say they’re reverse jinxes.
That makes it a reverse-reverse-reverse jinx.
Yes, this is the first thing I thought of.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Wow.
I’d missed that. Great work, as always, from Jeff.
I was actually planning on doing an “If It All Goes Wrong: Regular Season Edition” just before Opening Day, probably using a time-line again. Now I might have to be more creative…
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
It's Ok,
I was planning on doing a best guess at a payroll limit for the Rangers.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was pretty funny even at the time that his "if it goes wrong" case was really not so bad.
And now it’s just hilarious.
So were their slugging numbers.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, his wasn't nearly a worst-case scenario.
I’d thought about adding a line about a zombifying virus sweeping the club, but then I started feeling all nostalgic for Hank Blalock, who would still not be able to grab a roster spot.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Brilliant.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
ZOOM-behs?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Check out Dead Set...
and you are correct.
by lost in space on Nov 19, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
so Nolan doesn't sound confident huh, ok Cliff go ahead and get it over with then...shit
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/11/baseball-writer-nolan-ryan-exp.html
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
That's why I'd be very aggressive early on...go get Greinke & VMart. Send a message to Lee that Tom Hicks is gone and the new ownership is serious about winning.
If CLee doesn’t want to be a part of that, let him go to NYC because we’ll be set to win it all in the next two years with or without him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
This...
…I’ve said that all along, Make this team so good early that Lee has no excuse NOT to sign. At least then, if he chose the Yankees, EVERYBODY would know it was about the money.
by Bats and Balls on Nov 19, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
I, for one,
am glad to see the +1 make a comeback on LSB
it is all about the money
I have a feeling I’m going to be annoyed with Cliff Lee before the 2011 season.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I hope not, I think I'm just now starting to prepare myself for the worse.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yep..
I fully admit to drinking the kool aid when it comes to this man lol. And I cant even fathom him playing somewhere else but the last week or so I’m starting to think of that very real possibility. And yeah the Rangers are my team but not only did we beat the Yankees, we destroyed them in just about every facet of the game. Like one of the ny papers said, it felt like a 6 game sweep. We have a bright future and with him are contenders to win it all within the next couple yrs.
But if we go after the few pieces that we need and Cliff still blinks then well we all know its not about winning cause this team is already a winner. Let’s not forget the questions the Yanks still have in their pitching depth, their best starter was Pettite and they’re not sure he’s coming back! Its not to say Cliff is going to be poor if he stays here, its safe to say the Rangers will give him something within the 20-23mil atleast 5 yrs range for sure.
STAY CLIFF.
Pettitte was not the Yankees best starter last year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
yuP ya gotta send the message loud and clear he's watching closely.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
Supposedly he's not signing until early December.
We need to go about our bidness like he’s not coming back and assume that the MF Yankees are going to moneywhip the thing with their 12 pounder.
Don Draper taught us this past fall that you don’t want to reek of desperation and that’s what we will be if Lee gives us the Heisman.
That’s not necessarily a late 90s dynasty they have in NYC right now….it’s an older team and very susceptible to the same mid to late 60s crash that happened to Yankees because they all got old at the same time.
They’re going to be pretty good in 2011 but then it starts to get dicey because other than Cano, they don’t have any young, proven major league stars. It’s gonna be ugly in NY in 2-3 years (Jeter at 39 years old playing SS next to a 38 year old ARod?) …does Lee want to be a part of that?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
I have a feeling he's not signing until Dec. because he wants the bidding to continue..
who knows maybe one of the other teams interested will get into a bidding war with the Yankees, sadly it won’t be the Rangers.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
It is about the money but it's also about the winning.
If it was only about the money, the Washington Nats would have a shot.
We can “sell” against the MF Yankees without directly throwing them under the bus. We live in a wonderful area to raise a family and Lee will be rich, close to Arkansas and playing for a winning team.
If it’s more important for him to get 7/170, that’s what’s most important to him but we’d be better off without him.
Move forward as an organization, don’t bog down waiting for Lee and hopefully he comes back but always remember that hope is not and never was a strategy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
Ryan's tactic
I like Ryan’s (and the FO) take on this process. They’ve sort of painted Lee and the Yankees into a corner. I don’t know Lee, but he seems like he’s on the less hardcore money-only side (if there is one) for the average player, and he won’t want to be painted as being a complete mercenary.
With the Yanks not even posturing against Ryan’s comments, it’s now ‘out there’ that if Lee does sign with the Yanks, it’s only b/c they offered more money and money was the only important factor.
I still think there’s a pretty good chance that it is only about the money. But Ryan has made his play to force other issues into the picture.
I like it
that is how I read Ryan's comments...sly devil.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
the simple fact that a part of this is about the money is unfathomable to me
it’s not like the Yankees are offering a billion and we’re gonna offer league minimum…the money is gonna be somewhat close, and unless he goes on an MC Hammer-esque spending streak, it’s gonna be more than he’ll ever use. Why not pick the team that has the better chance of being good for a while? Is he not able to see past a year or so when the core of that team is too old to compete and their farm team is nearly depleted because of them having to feed the beast every single year?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
x
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
What is that?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I see a house shaped like a huge wiener
time to call the psychologist again…
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
Everything looks like it's shaped like a big weiner to you.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
yup...til the bank took it from him.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
ummm
Homer Simpson CLEARLY bought it from him. Don’t you watch The History Channel?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
Wonder if they took down the Hammer Time front gates
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yankees
it’s not like the Yankees are offering a billion and we’re gonna offer league minimum
I actually do think they’ve internally decided to go the extra year and just absorb the dead dollars. Or maybe they think he’s actually worth 6, or even 7 years.
Somehow they’ve talked themselves into digging a deep financial hole with Cliff Lee.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 19, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I can see that
But I could also see them trying to hedge that, and trying to take an NTC clause out or some option years in there to cover there asses, and the pendulum swinging back to Texas.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
but it's not like the offers would be dramatically different, I think
an extra year and a few million extra. At that point, when you’re talking 9 figures, it’s all the same thing. Why not think about living conditions and working conditions? In NY, he’ll be another guy. Here he’ll be the top freaking dog.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
What if he doesn't want to be top dog?
He doesn’t especially strike me as somebody who wants to be the face of the franchise, answering tough questions during a down year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
More like
Statue of the Franchise.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
With cliches at the ready to answer questions during tough times!
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
And like anyone on the Rangers would ever have to do this if Lee was here.
answering tough questions during a down year
I don't mean a FoTF
more like a guy that will be allowed to do what he wants/needs to do and be left alone because he’s got this. I’m not sure that makes sense…a guy that everyone in the locker room knows is the key to This Thing™
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
I'm calling 7, it's going to be obscene.
I hope it is at least. I bet the offer is going to be so extreme that people will start screaming for a salary cap…more so than in the past.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
And can you imagiNE if he leads us to the promise land?
This man will be like a GOD here, heck when I want to the Rangers games, his jerseys were constantly sold out. one of the ushers had to take me to the store to get one cause the ones from the stands were all gone. The fans have already warmed up to him, he could really have a great thing here.
Look at his effect on CJ, even Colby has talked about learning things from him. I would love to see him work more with Holland, Hunter and our young upcoming pitchers aka whomever we don’t lose in a trade if we go after Grienke.
Is the money going to be close?
The Yankees over-payed for CC and Burnett package. I wouldn’t be surprised if they over-payed Cliff Lee, as unimaginable as that seems
It's going to be the years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Regardless of Lee the Rangers need to go out and do this
I don’t like hearing trading for Greinke as plan B, it should be more like 1A and 1B sign lee, and trade for greinke.
Add those two to Lewis and Wilson and thats one beast of a front 4
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yep. After this year's playoff run,
it is obvious that the Rangers could use a 4th starter upgrade. Either Hunter or Holland need to step up, or the Rangers need outside help. Lee, Greinke, Lewis, and Wilson would match up so well with any pitching staff out there in a playoff series. The idea of having either Colby or CJ as a fourth starter makes my mouth water.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
I certainly hope so.
After the World Series game 2 debacle, he seemed to bounce back in game 4. He certainly has the stuff to step up. The question is if he can mentally step up.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
He obviously has the stuff. He is just so damn inconsistent.
I am hoping that his game 2 collapse on the big stage helped him become more mentally tough. As I have said before, if Derek had Tommy’s toughness, that would be one badass pitcher.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
Can we afford Grienke, VMart and Lee?
Cause something tells me this FO is all in the next couple yrs to win it all but its going to cost them. And not sure the above will net them only a 90 mil payroll? Unless our billionaires are willing to move it up closer to 100mil, is that remotely possible? We’ve got to beef up our bullpen as well but I guess they will look at the minors for that… We really missed Francisco this playoffs, that was painfully obvious.
My post was more about going out and trading for greinke
and not waiting on Lee to make a lebron james decision on espn.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Sends the wrong message to Lee if you say publicly that Lee is play 1B,
and that Greinke is 1A, right?
I mean, if the Rangers truly believe their warm, welcoming, Texas environment is playing in their favor with Lee, then you don’t tell the media that the guy’s not your top priority (even if he isn’t). Especially if the top priority is making a deal for a guy who may not be able to refuse the trade.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
The Rangers would never say that, though.
Grienke would be happening either way, and it’s a show of good faith to your number 1 target.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
agreed get Grienke regardless of what Lee does
Shows everyone that the Rangers will do whatever it takes to improve the club.
Right.
So at least from the front office, I don’t mind hearing that Cliff Lee is Plan A, and that everything else is Plan B. No other free agent could really take offense, and trade targets’ feelings don’t matter all that much in this context.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I think you could spin it as 'Lee is plan 1B, Geinke is plan 1C'
And Lee and Greike are plan 1A.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Again, thinking for the front office,
I want the message out there that they’re ready to go all-in for Cliff Lee — even if they’re not.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
So why don't they put $23M per on the table and let the Yankees be Yankees?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
No reason
for the ‘low chip stack’ to start the bidding … let the Yanks flex their muscle and show how desperate (if at all) they are to get this done quickly
Texas has plenty of chips to play with, but they don’t have more than the Yanks. I think it’s smart to let them make the first move.
Patience seems to be a Ryan tactic
Ryan's Patience
wait until they run up to the mound. Then grab him and beat the shit out of him.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
Exactly.
Make the Yanks make the first move. They’re the ones setting the market here, so let them set it.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Yeah go with your absolute best offer and make the Yanks overpay..
IMO dont wait for the yanks to beat your ‘first’ offer which they surely will. If he still goes then wish him well but let NY pay CC type money if they have too. I know they have the bottom less pockets but I still see them paying for this soon.
but you know
that the Yanks can beat your best offer, so why put it out there for them to trump
Let them make their bid, and then decide if you want to match. If the offers are somewhat equal, chances are Lee stays in Texas
If the Yanks then ramp up their bid and Lee takes it, then you walk away knowing that was all about money and you start plan B
Because,
even the Yankees have limits. Making them bid an extra year or two at an extra few million per year will help your odds in the future of being able to sign somebody you’re interested in…especially when you account for luxury tax.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
same end game
You still get to the same place if you let them bid first, rather than starting the bidding
It’s not like the Rangers are going to let the Yanks offer 4 or 5 years and not make a seriously competitive offer
If they start the bidding, they are still going to have to come over the tip with the really long offer to beat the Rangers … and thus be compromised as you said.
And if you don’t start the bidding, you can get somewhat of a glimpse into just how desperate the Yanks are earlier in the process
I wasn't addressing the bidding order,
I think it’s rather inconsequential. This isn’t poker in Shreveport.
I was addressing whether or not you should put out your max offer even if the Yankees are going to trump it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Never been to Shreveport to play poker
But in many ways, there are similarities to the strategy
There are lot of folks who agree with your position. But I’m of the opinion that you don’t show all your strength right at the beginning.
The Rangers will make their max offer for Lee. But as I see it, it can only help them to be patient
Even if the Yanks fire right away with 7 years and $25/year, then the Rangers know better what they have to contned with and they can make the creative offer that is warranted in that situation
More like business than poker really … I just used cards as the metaphor b/c it was easy … if you know you are going to be outbid, then wait to see that bid and try to come up with something suitable but creative that keeps you in the running
I wasn't addressing the bidding order,
I think it’s rather inconsequential.
Especially in this case where the Rangers are likely to be outbid and are going to have to put their max contract out anyways.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
so just to double back ...
you’re not addressing the bidding order …
But you think the Rangers should just make their best offer right now?
No,
I think they should make their max offer even if they know it isn’t as good as the Yankees. Your post seemed to suggest that they shouldn’t because all it does is drive up the price for Lee.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just agreeing with what seems to be Ryan's take
Don’t rush to offer
See how desperate the Yanks are
Make a suitable counter offer
And hold your best offer as long as you can
Indications are that Lee's not making his decision quickly.
Why not let the Yankees go first, let him get over any initial excitement, and then — if you’re planning on blowing him away with an offer — do it. If/when the Yankees go over the top, fine.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed, no reason to open the bidding. Let the Yankees wow him with their offer first.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
The risk is not in the $ per year but the length of the contract.
Go with a 6 year contract and make the Yankees beat it. If the Yankees offer six then the Rangers have to beat it. Does anyone want to take the risk of a 7 year contract at that price for a 31 year old? I am just assuming he is gonna get around $23M per.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I could see the Yankees going 7 years, yes,
and I don’t agree that if the Yankees offer 6 years then the Rangers have to beat it.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I have heard that before.
FA players have pressure frome the union and agent to get the max $$. If the Yank’s offer 6, you think the Rangers are gonna win the bidding by matching?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Ah, you mean, "have to in order to sign Lee."
I thought you meant, “have to because Lee is that important.”
Also, I could easily see Lee being able to justify 1-2 million less with the Rangers due to other incentives. I have a hard time believing the MLPA would really give him a hard time over, say, $7.5 million over six years if he had good reasons to sign with the Rangers.
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Sure,
I think it’s reasonable to think that the Rangers could be $10M lower over the life of the 5-6 year deal. It could be higher, but I’m not comfortable in trying to predict the upper limit.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm okay can see that, they'll be setting the market for Lee anyhow..
and everyone knows Lee is either staying in TX or going up north.
Market is pretty much set for Lee already.
It certainly puts the pressure on the Yankees and tells everyone else (in poker terms) that you have pretty good cards.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
The problem with the idea of trading for Greinke
is that the Royals would be admitting defeat before the year even started. I think he gets moved at the trade deadline unless Greinke has internally been much more vocal about wanting a trade than he has been externally.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
100% on board with this thinking.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I like this plan
as long as the price for VMart isn’t too high. The free agent market prices seem to be heading way up this winter after two years of near stagnation.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Years 3 & 4 of that deal are going to be so useless
12+mil for an under-performing DH…wonderful.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yeah, I'm very afraid
of what Martinez will be in a couple of years. It all depends on the price.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
by who's standards
before last year, the Rangers haven’t gotten much from the DH slot
While you can knock Victor’s throwing all day, he’s solid with the bat and he’d bring a selectivity to the lineup that it sorely needs
Sure, but at what price?
There are several DH types on the market cheaper. Tying up that much money for that many years isn’t much different than signing Vlad long term. If Martinez isn’t the primary catcher he’s not worth anywhere near that money.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Price and Years
I’d say years is the biggest question they have with an offer to Victor
And I would imagine that he’d be the primary C like Josh was the primary CF’er. He’d play there a lot, take some time at DH and spot at 1B against really tough lefties
Years 1 and 2 of the deal look really good; year 3 will start to degrade, and it’s years 4 and 5 if signed that would make him as the primary DH the question
There is no bigger difference in positional adjustment
than that between Catcher and DH.
In other words, what makes a good hitter for a catcher is dramatically different in comparison to what makes a good hitter for a DH.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
But, he's a good hitter for any position
Especially for this team
A hitter that can live in the middle of the lineup and strikes out about as much as he walks would be a boon for the whole lineup
I’m not saying that having him as the primary DH in years 4 or hopefully not but possibly 5 would be a good thing, per se. But the marginal improvement he brings to our particular lineup would be huge.
He is a bit above average DH currently.
His .360 wOBA would have had him 7th among DH’s with 250 PA’s last year.
Then you get to factor in the decline in skills due to age which is likely to be more rapid due to playing as a catcher for so many years.
It’s not that he’s a bad player, he is quite good when he’s playing as a catcher. It’s that as he ages, he will have to spend more and more time DH’ing where he will look more and more like an average player getting paid like an above average one.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
so it comes down to
whether you value the rather large marginal upgrade of our offense he represents in the first 2 years of the contract over the probability that he’ll be an average DH (and perhaps sometimes C and 1B) in the last 2 years of the deal
And while they say they are pursuing both, Martinez may in fact be part of their plan B if Lee goes to NY … namely: get a better offense
But you also have to account for his defense,
which we have trouble doing.
While the goal is to accumulate talented players at every position possible, I’m just not sure that Martinez is the best investment. I would rather have an average catcher with great defensive skills and somebody like Adrian Beltre or Adam Dunn, who seem more likely to provide value commensurate with their salaries over the life of the contract.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Or, get a servicable catcher as you said, roll with Vlad anther year
And then reassess. Save some of those bullets for another fight.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
But you have to also look at the specifics of our 'predicament'
The Rangers are going to get less than average power from 3B and 1B next year, so the offense needs to be upgraded at some position
I like the idea of Beltre, but it’s just not realistic for us right now. Dunn would change the scenario at 1B, but then you have a somewhat wasted resource in Moreland
For what they are working with next year, being able to upgrade offense from the C position is the quickest and most efficient way to improve the offense
And looking more specifically at the defensive change from last year to the coming season, for all the knocks on him, the only thing that looks sub par from Martinez behind the plate would be his throwing – at 24%, which is what we got from Moline anyway. I haven’t watched him play regularly, but is there any way that Martinez is less mobile behind the plate than Benjie was (or Treanor, really)
Considering what we ran out there last year, Martinez is not going to be a noticeable down-grade in our C defense, is he?
Martinez is realistic, but Beltre isn't?
While I like Moreland, there are enough PA’s to go around if you bring in Dunn, especially because it means you wouldn’t resign Vlad.
Martinez is likely to be a downgrade in catcher defense from Molina, based on what I’ve read about them.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
we all know why Beltre is not realistic
If you want to ignore that fact and think the Michael Young will and should move to DH or 1B this year, okay … I can’t see them trying to do that this winter
And in all honesty, I don’t see Beltre is a guaranteed upgrade over Young anyway, even this year (he’s only had 2 good seasons on offense), not to mention what happens in year 5 or 6 of that deal … you would have to outbid the A’s current offer to get him
Also, I don’t think there’s any way that Martinez defense behind the plate could be assessed as much worse than Molina. I have not read anything of the like, and I’d love to hear a scout’s take on that subject – Martinez is still a pretty athletic dude – Molina is … not
Defense matters.
In this case, it matters quite a freaking bit.
And if you can move MY to 3B after he won a GG at SS for a 20 y/o rookie, then why can’t you move him to 1B after a terrible year at 3B so that you can bring in an All Star and defensive whiz?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you move him to 1B?
Also, I’m sure one of the reasons the team isn’t asking MY to move right now is because they have to sign Beltre first and that doesn’t seem like its going to be a deal worth getting.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
count me out
on Beltre for 5+ years
His offense is way to inconsistent to commit those kind of resources toward
I wouldn't automatically say no to a 5 year deal
But it looks like the yearly salary is going to be way too much just to upgrade the 3B defense.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think you may just be underrating Beltre's down years.
Not that I think I necessarily want 5+ years, either. Just the vibe I get from this conversation.
If Defense matters
Then go sign some huge defensive upgrade who is not on the wrong side of 30 and looking for a 5+ year deal that pays him to not only be a defensive upgrade but a huge, middle of the order bat
Last year,
Adrian Beltre very likely provided enough defensive value that it was worth almost 3 WINS! more than MY’s defense.
I don’t like the 5 year deal thing and I am a bit skeptical of that. But Adrian Beltre is likely to be worth the annual salary I’ve seen thrown out even if he doesn’t hit that well..which would not necessarily be a given.
You say he’s been in consistent, but over the past 5 years, the only year he had a wRC+ under 108 was when he put up an 88 the year that he was injured (one of his testicles was spiked and ruptured). His best year came last year in a hitters park…which is what he would be hitting in if he was here.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Right, kinda like MY
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Well you have to know when you sign him
that he isn’t being brought in for part of the future, he’s being brought in to help the team win in the next few years. You’ll probably have to take a bad year at the end of that contract as a result, but that’s the cost of FA. As long as he isn’t a primary, 100+ game catcher here, then he probably won’t be breaking down anytime in the next few years.
And you’re still talking about a good bat that can DH, play 1B, and play C. That’s a huge addition for this team that lacks depth at those spots and would definitely help us a lot in the playoffs.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Rangers will not afford
Lee, Greinke and Vmart in the plan put forth by Rentz without sacrificing something elsewhere. You can have two of them but not all three unless the Rangers are looking for a payroll in excess of $110.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
I'd sacrifice martinez
I think greinke and lee are far more important. Martinez is a luxury, he isn’t a defensive every day catcher.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
He's not likely to be a catcher at all by the end of the rumored contracts
he’s been offered.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Is he really even a catcher for the first half of them?
certainly not a full-time catcher anyway
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Eh,
A full-time catcher is a bit of a myth anyways.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
that's a bit of a stretch there
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
They could get creative and backload
or defer money, but I don’t think it’s likely at all to get all three.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
I think it's even a stretch
to get both Lee and Greinke. It could happen but I sure as hell ain’t counting on it.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Stretch yes, but I would rather
give up the prospects for Greinke than sign Vmart to an excessive FA contract. Greinke ties up close to $13M per year for two years. Vmart could be a very bad contract for many years beyonf that.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Olivo or Treanor...
Then focus in on the talent here in Hammy, Cruz, Wilson and Murph who are all due a nice pay raise.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Olivo and Treanor seems more likely than either or
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Yep
the question is the starter, but I think Treanor will be here catching 2 days a week next year.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
yeah he seemed to really love it here..
and basically said he’ll be waiting by the phone for the Rangers to call. I think CJ will get his personal catcher back.
I like Treanor, he's a smart player...people in the org have said he's going to be a manager someday.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Smart and the org wants him back
So, like the exact opposite of Boggs?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I always feel bad for Boggs.
Especially after seeing Emily Jones interview him last year when he was called up…he was so excited and then an hour later he made an error that cost us the game (I think) and we never heard from him again.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Injuries did him in
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
This.
It would be nice to have him but it won’t be the end of the world if he leaves. He’s not the only prize to be had this offseason.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
At the end of the season I was feeling much more confident about Lee returning
Then I started seeing the rumors about the numbers the Yankees were throwing out there and I came back to the reality that he’s going to the Yankees. They are the only team that can really afford the risk of the possible sunk cost of a 6th and 7th year.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
There's some great analysis in the comments
Grienke is younger, therefore his upside is better than Cliff’s.
by blakethegr8 on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I think
if things do come out this way, the result will be massive international spending next year. The FO’s disgust by FA spending will reinforce the philosophy that spending on young prospects is more cost-effective than buying 32-year olds.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
What whay?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Garrooooooooon's way
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Ha
have you ever heard the tribute song “Emmit’s Way” that’s occasionally played on The Ticket? Very possibly the worst lyrics of all time.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Nov 19, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think there will be solid spending efforts
in both the draft and internationals in 2011 either way. There is a lot of talent available next summer and the Rangers will get what they can.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Yep
Parks addressed this on last week’s episode of RFRL… essentially, good prospects sought elite money this year because the crop was so diluted.
Thankfully, the 14 and 15 year old grouping makes the next two years look very promising. I’m guffawing a little bit as I type that.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
that was right after Cliff's agent told him how much he wanted either that or indigestion.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
he's doing a John Lackey/Horsemouth impression
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
While I dont expect the offseason
to go quite like Garoon’s worst case scenario, anything close to that would be QUITE depressing.
Touchdown SM-boooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Good piece, Garoon
I, for one, would never do this, though.
In a parking lot outside Rangers Ballpark in Arlington, feral Rangers fans build a towering bonfire out of Cliff Lee Rangers jerseys.
Nevermind the fact that I don’t own a Cliff Lee Jersey, but if he signs with the Yanks, I just have to tip my cap to him, and simply start to hate him like I do every other Yankee. Thanks for getting us to the World Series, Cliff, now go fuck yourself.
by jam0152 on Nov 19, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'll be annoyed at first, but I don't see how anyone could be angry to the point of booing him or anything
Everyone knew he was a mercenary this year, and was a free agent. I hadn’t even considered the possibility of him ever signing with Texas until the playoffs came and the stories rolled out about how much he and his family liked it here and that the rangers had money
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yep, it's not like the Rangers offered him an $18 million per year extension that he turned down.
Or said that he was tired of playing with 24 kids. Cliff came in and did what he was supposed to do. He pitched well and fit right into the clubhouse. If he leaves for the Yankees for more money, I would not blame him. I would be disappointed, but I would not want to burn his jersey or anything.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
He would be the enemy, but I wouldn't have the same hate for him that I reserve for A-Rod and Teix.
Unless the Rangers come very close to the Yankees offer and he picks the Yankees anyway. Then I would be pissed.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
Oh, I hate all of the Yankees. Fuck 'em all.
But I loathe A-Rod and Teix with a Dirkatron level of pearing hatred.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
My hatred for Tex is somewhat less just because
he led to us getting Elvis and Feliz….
ARod, on the other hand……
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 19, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I will never, ever boo Cliff Lee.
Ever.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
by ghtd36 on Nov 19, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
x 1,000,000
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 19, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
if he signs with the Yankees, he’ll go into Mariano Rivera territory for me. I’ll root like hell against them, but I won’t boo him.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
if he's all about the money then yes I'll boo the shit out of him.
but he’ll never be A-Rod, Tex category
He could pay the Yankees to play for them...
…and he’ll still be a hero in my mind.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
This isn't surprising.
You also don’t believe in love.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I'm making an inference based on your, oh, 100,000 posts.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
sss!!
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
by BigGuns on Nov 19, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I guess that's a form of love
And seriously, I know looking up the spelling of words is very last century but there was a freaking billion dollar blockbuster that was called Avatar
by ab03 on Nov 19, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Firefox and opera spellcheck don't work in the title bar
And I refused to watch that piece of shit movie.
It's one of those "feel sorry for the aliens" movies.
I hate movies where I wind up sitting there rooting for the “heroes” to die terribly even though I know it’s not going to happen.
That’s what I did with the Star Wars movies, honestly, and that’s why I’m the only sci-fi geek on the planet who really doesn’t care for Star Wars.
I already hated the stupid Aliens after the trailers.
Plus the humans have all the cool planes and shit.
I can’t root against the cool planes, just like I couldn’t root against the TIE fighters and AT-AT walkers.
AT-ATs I can give you
But TIEs were shit outside of Interceptors.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Avatar...
…was visually spectacular. It was worth seeing just for that. But the story was very meh.
It wasn't surprising by any means
And that really killed the movie at first for me, but its still fun to watch and there just aren’t many decent movies out there with those kind of battle scenes.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I was underwhelmed by the battle scenes and the visuals.
It looked like a video game cutscene. A very, very, very well modeled and rendered video game cutscene, but that’s still the feeling I got from it. There seemed to be no real tension, and little going on beyond “oooh, shiny.”
I disagree
I get what you’re saying, but I think that’s just the predictability of the story line ruining it for you not that the battle scenes weren’t well done.
That Michelle Rodriguez part is one I’ll give you though, that seemed just kind of thrown in there for about 5 seconds.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
He'll get one standing-o from me, then he gets it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I couldn't have that on my conscience.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nah,
I want to keep him properly ravenous for the first Angels homestand.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this....if he signs with the Yankees,
he deserves a standing ovation for what he did during the playoffs….but after that, he’s just another Yankee…….he will still be down the list of my hated Yankees but a Yankee nonetheless…
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 19, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
This is what I did for guys like
Byrd, Blalock, Pudge, Juando
Guys like Tex and Arod got straight booed.
Cliff Lee deserves a standing O everytime he comes back here (assuming he signs else where). Without him good chance we’re bounced in the first round.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 19, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
He’s an impostor!
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I'm okay with giving Vlad one year ($ 7 million with some incentives) but I want VMart more than Vlad.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
he's holding out for more than one year, at the moment.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
That may be more in line because I don't know where else
Vlad could go.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
yep, he'll wait it out tho until January I bet to see if he can get a 2 yr deal
and then who knows if we’ll have a spot for him.
We're stacked and the upcoming draft is deep.
Plus we have one of the best scouting and development staffs in MLB. We’ll be fine.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
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"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Hot water heater has been out last 2 days.....
baby wipe baths aren’t cutting it…I fucking reek.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
YMCA!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
by Rodney on Nov 19, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeh meet me there Bub I'll hose ya down (from a distance)
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
I can't decide if this is dirty or nice.
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
depends on which side of the "hose" you're standing on
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
by Bob Loblaw on Nov 19, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal....
You can do whatever you feel…
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 19, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I read this and thought of Rainman
Hot water burn baby! hot water burn baby!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Thats not very hospitable, you should offer to wash his back
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yeah, loofah a brothas stretch marks at least...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
it's not that exciting, I've been watching on and off for months (more off than on)
unless you enjoy watching a grown man primpin in front of the mirror for hours.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
looks like some voyeur-cam
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
that's what my friend told me.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
hell no
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
It isn't that bad.
I usually shower in lukewarm water, but cold is doable after the first few seconds.
It certainly beats stinking…
this is what you do...
fill the bath tub with water, wait a couple hours til it warms to room temperature. In the meantime get a few pots of boiling water going, dump them in there, and then get in.
Not ideal but much better than the ice cold shower.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
That's an awful lot of work just to avoid some cold water.
Sheesh. I’m feeling more and more smug and superior by the minute. :D
we did that last night, my wife had to bath.
….that was some Little House on the Prairie shit….I was calling her Laura Ingles all night
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Sounds kinky.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
totally, I was dressed up as Jonathan Garvey
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That begs many questions.
=)
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
I would have thought more along the lines of
“Oh, DEAR!”
But I suppose that would depend if you were impersonating (im-dino-nating?) a pre- or post-supper Garoon.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Mine was along the lines of "Ohhhh, dearrrr"
Did the sexual tension come through your monitor?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
You've got the Girls, Girls Girls thread
open in the other tab, don’t you?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I pictured you more as a Mr Edwards kind of guy.....
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
If it went to Day 3 I woulda done it...
french whore baths aren’t that bad and are relatively effective.
Cold showers are brutal..if you can get through the first 10 seconds you’ll be okay..but 10 seconds feels like 10 minutes when you’ve got 40 degree water hitting your boys.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I always start with my back to the water for at least ten seconds for just that reason.
I don’t know if it’s just in my head, but it seems to make it much more tolerable when I turn around.
I once gave up hot showers for Lent.
That was a mistake.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Dummy.
Give up raking leaves, or building snowmen, or knitting.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Every year I give up giving things up
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Heh that happened to me once...
Our gas went out for a couple days and everyone was taking cold showers. I tried that once and promptly went and bought myself a bucket and did the boiling water in the microwave thing.
Seriously.
It’d be different if he were a girl or something…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Dude fixed it in <5 minutes....100 bucks.
If it weren’t for sewage I’d say I shoulda been a plumber…but, no, I’ll gladly pay someone to do that stuff.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Truck stop fool.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
neither could the announcers during the Ranger game...
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
That's kind of a small camera,
and the dude didn’t even flinch!
by blakethegr8 on Nov 19, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Why don't we just match the Tigers offer to Dunn...
Forget about VMart and go get Olivo? Mitch Moreland is our 1B.
So the idea would be to play Dunn at DH, over his objections?
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
You don't think the report of the Tigers' 3-year, $40 million offer's legit?
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I have to think that's contingent on him DHing.
They’ve already got Cabrera at first, and any AL team would be batshit insane to play him in the OF.
You don't think Ordonez desensitized them to that sort of corner outfield defense?
by Josh Garoon on Nov 19, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with you, I just can't fathom it.
Maybe they’ll say “we’ll let you compete for an OF spot” and then promptly make him the DH 2 weeks later?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Damn
Five-Star Prospects
1. Mike Moustakas, 3B
2. John Lamb, LHP
3. Eric Hosmer, 1B
4. Wil Myers, C
5. Mike Montgomery, LHP
Four-Star Prospects
6. Chris Dywer, LHP
7. Danny Duffy, LHP
8. Christian Colon, SS
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12470
You might as well add Jesus Montero to that list
Because he’s coming to KC, with Brett Gardner, when Cliff Lee signs with the Rangers.
LOL okay. I thought u meant the Yanks trading for Grienke...
With JM being the centerpiece, regardless of the NTC I’m not sure The Yankees have what the Royals wound want anyhow, seems like its us, the twins and the Jays and some other dark horse.
Greinke has said that he doesn't want to pitch for a big market, high pressure team
I think the Yankees were the first team on his no trade list.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
He would look pretty good behind Lee in Arlington!
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
You know it waill cost you a nice piece of the farm system!
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Tweaked a little by the FO in KC and you probably are doing some paperwork on the trade.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
There's an entire fanpost for this
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
In a heartbeat for a few reasons.
1) Window for winning is open for 2-3 years, Greinke and his contract fit that window.
2) Greinke has proven the ability to pitch in the AL and is a mutual fit if we sign Lee.
Less so IF Greinke has to be #1.
3) Not to long ago we had HDVD. The only help those “cant miss prospects” added to the Rangers is via trade (Hammy).
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
How would you describe the hype a few years back on these guys?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
There was definitely hype and they were considered strong prospects.
I just don’t know that many saw them as “can’t miss”.
So let me get this right
The Rangers window is only open for 2-3 years so they should trade off the high-ceiling young players and prospects which means that they won’t have any good prospects to improve their team cheaply in a few years and they’re window will only be open 2-3 years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Round logic is circular
Or, something like that…
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
The first rule of tautology club...
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Almost begs the question...
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Well thats an interesting spin.
I think the Rangers would be better served by using their financial flexibility by signing Lee and trading for Greinke than any other option I have heard to date. As far as prospects goes, the Royals will get a nice package but not all of the top talent. Is there any current Ranger contract that goes out beyond 3 years?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Just the young guys, though extensions may be coming.
That wasn’t me arguing against trading for Greinke, just arguing against the poor logic of “we’re going to suck in 3 years so we should trade away the players who are likely to make us not suck in 3 years.”
Regarding Greinke, it just depends on cost. It’s one thing to trade Smoak plus some mid-tier guys; Greinke may very well cost too much of the top end of the Rangers prospect chart. You have to be able to walk away.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
ASSUME that the Rangers sign Lee and
have some money left. Would you prefer signing Vmart to a four year deal or giving up the prospects and having Greinke for two?
Ok I know I am giving you and either or when that is not he case but what is your preference?
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
Hmmm...
They money is about the same, though more years to the lesser player.
I would have to know the prospects going, but I guess I would lean towards Greinke.
Really, I would rather sign Beltre, improve multiple positions and keep the prospects.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Defensively at 3B for sure
But I think his bat is a bit of mirage … definitely not consistent production
And Young at DH would not be an offensive improvement over what we got this past year, though he would at 1B (damn that was painful to write)
If he was an average 3B hitter next year,
he would be a tremendous improvement over MY because of his defnse.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, context.
Yes, his wOBA dipped below .310 a couple times over the last seven years. A couple. Switching from Safeco to RBiA for a righty, though, would typically take that close to, if not better than, league average. Or, pretty close to what MY put up last year. And those are his down years, his typical year and career rate is solidly above league average with home games in Safeco and Dodgers Stadium.
Come on.
I hear you
But there’s also the context of the fact that MY is sitting on that position till forcibly moved
And I know the stats you are quoting are more indicative of actual performance, but we are talking about the guy who never posted an OBP north of .330 besides last year and his last year in LA
I’m not as confident that we’d see enough of the 2004 and 2010 seasons from a guy playing at 32 and above – are you?
then, there’s the context of the contract he’s going to receive as well, but we’re not talking about that right now
Home park makes a difference.
Beltre has been an above average hitter every year he hasn’t been lugging around a ruptured testicle for the past half decade.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Career splits
Home: .258/.315/.425/.740
Road: .290/.341/.496/.837
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
did he have the family jewels issue in 2005 or 2008?
By games played, I’d assume it was 2008. He looked pretty lost at the plate that first year in Seattle.
His power bounced back pretty nicely the next 2 years
If we got the Road guy/Boston guy, I see what you’re saying that’s he’s a much more valuable guy than Young at the position.
But then there’s Young … and there is also the reality of the contract offers Beltre is getting
not a chance
I’m just happy it’s driving up the price for the Angels (or perhaps Boston), which is where I bet he ends up
I don't
They need to get a few of those mediocre shitty FAs so they can stay old and expensive without actually winning
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I understand your point but I prefer Greinke over Beltre.
Even though the price includes a good set of prospects.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
When is our list going to come out?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I know we've been saying this for the past 20 years...
…but the Royals really…really might have something.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Does anyone think Lee will get less than $23M per year?
The only question I have is the length of the contract. I say put a 6 year contract on the table on the table. If and when the Yankees outbid you in either dollars and or years then they have overpaid again and you take the draft picks.
You can only be young once but can be immature forever!
OT: Denton got it right
The A-train will have a late-night weekend service to and from Dallas. They weren’t at first, then the powers that be threw a stink. So, sweet, Dentonites can ride the train back from Mavericks games now and not have to worry about DUI. Or this one doesn’t, anyway.
I'm really excited for that.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Cool
My big problem with the trains has been they stop at midnight, so it makes going to a show or something downtown impossible
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
and before that I don't think they were going to run on the weekends.....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nope.
And this is still just a ‘pilot program’ to run until 2012 to measure the fesibility of keeping this weekend and late-night line open. My guess is that the planners (who were against these extra lines) will be proven right in a few years and that not enough people use the late-night lines.
You trying to say this guy isn't a train?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Little Denton is growing up, it's freaking crazy.
I remember when they were building Loop 288, my mind was blown.
Pass me a hankie.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
my God, reading that story....who the hell takes class til 10pm?
gross.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
damn, I do 530-820....530-920 during summers (terrible)
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'm weird like that.
But I learned early on to not schedule anything before noon, just because I couldn’t get myself to go. I liked being able to do whatever I wanted during the day and then just go to the class once per week.
Ugh
I used to do 6-10 four nights a week, while working 40+ a week. That period of my life sucked in some ways.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I waited table and tended bar back then, so I was all kinds of a night owl.
I look back on it fondly; those were the days
where did you wait tables Jelly?
T.G.I. Fridays in Austin were the best of times for me.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
A steakhouse/bbq joint called Prairie House on 380 in Aubrey where I grew up.
The steaks leave something to be desired, but the Ribs are the best around and the brisket is also quite strong.
1/2 price any shift, free if you worked a double. Tuesday nights were employee nights
and you could bring a guest and get 1/2 off your entire tab. They stopped doing that once we took advantage of it too much.
Prairie House...agree on your assessment
My wife loves the fried catfish.
I’ll have to try the brisket next time.
They have every Shiner available right now, which was kinda cool.
Say, there’s this joint in Aubrey, Lucy’s Moms on Main…..that place is legit, you been there?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Once, and yes it is.
The friend green tomato appetizer was rocking good. Decent CFS, but my wife got the pork chop and it rocked the house.
P-house fried catfish FTMFW, btw. That shit is the bomb.
I couldn't pay attention at all if I was in a 6:30 to 9:30 class.
I did 6:30 to 8:00 once for a summer physics I class. It sucked, but fortunately it was easy.
I have.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I took multiple classes in law school that ended at 9:10 pm.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Yeah, some labs ended late in medical school.
But I’ve actually taken some late classes at UNT. It’s really not so bad…assuming the prof doesn’t suck.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I have this one guy who is B.R.U.T.A.L.
he got some Professor of the Year award or something…I have no idea how he got it, maybe they felt sorry for him or something.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yeah, we had a prof switch in the middle of a semester
for a EM Physics 2 class. The first guy was cool; he would have demonstrations to help understand things; the second guy was just a beating.
I do feel like it’s a good way to go for History or Political Science classes though.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Mine were pretty cool
Professionals from MS, Cisco, etc, and some dude who was in charge of international IT security for a global bank. That dude was hardcore…fly back from Tokyo and drive straight in to teach a class from DFW airport.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
That is pretty cool.
Professors caring about teaching…how novel.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I had a physics professor that had an alter-ego
named Dr. Destruct-o. Every friday he would come to class with a rainbow wig and do awesome physics based destruction of shit. Every other day he was incredibly boring.
"Obviously you're not a golfer" -- His Dudeness
by ed carter on Nov 19, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Grad students
Pretty much all my graduate history classes were 6-9 or 7-10.
"Scared? We're not scared...We do this every day. Scared is being in a prison yard."- Michael Young
I've got a thursday class
that’s supposed to go from 6 to 9. We almost always get out early, but regardless… it creates a great opportunity to take a post-class trip to grab drinks and shoot the shit on Fry Street. The RTVF Building’s proximity helps, too.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
by Conjunction on Nov 19, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
TAMS kids weren't allowed on Fry Street after 9. =(
Though proximity to food was another bonus of that physics class.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Norm suggests than Ryin Hanigan could be available
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4952&position=C
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
More than either of the Cubs guys mentioned yesterday?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Why? Because they re-signed Ramon Hernandez?
I find that hard to believe considering Hanigan took his job.
by LiamP on Nov 19, 2010 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That and the other young guy who will be ready soon
I don’t know their prospects at all though.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Ow, he looks pretty good
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
first round pick in 07 finally broke out last year and has a chance to make roster in '11
“A .240 hitter with 18 home runs through his first three professional seasons, Mesoraco,22, took his game to another level in 2010 — actually, through three levels. He batted a combined .302 with 26 homers, 75 RBIs and a .377 on-base percentage at Class A Lynchburg, Double-A Carolina and Triple-A Louisville.
Defensively, Mesoraco caught 41 percent of runners attempting to steal, an improvement from 30 percent in 2009 and just 17 percent in ’08. There is still improvement to be made behind the plate as he also had 13 passed balls. "
He was in AFL this fall..
Norm's point
was Hernandez catches this year and holds the spot until the AAA kid is ready.
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
i could see that.hanigan had a pretty great year at the plate in 70 games
and Cincy has some depth at catcher w/ Grandel also.
Someone tell Norm
that they won’t trade him until the deadline, if then.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
Oh jeez, how dumb
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Well, Cubs fans are pretty stupid.
Of course, Wrigley probably needs to see the wrecking ball anyway, so I guess fucking it up for a football game doesn’t really matter much in the grand scheme.
I don't see how it's getting fucked up
And it’ not the nicest park in terms of amenities but it’s still a fantastic place to watch a game.
Anyways, who told you that Wrigley needs to go?
He's just fucking with us now.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
That and I'm always reading terrible things about it.
It’s no Fenway, but it’s still probably past it’s due date, based on everything I’ve read that isn’t coming from the “historical” slant.
I've been there, historic curmudgeon Chris Martin has been there.
We both liked it. Obviously it is old, but then any old stadium could be repleaced/renovated with a nicer newer one with better amenities. I like the dimensions of it and it has some great viewing angles.
I think Cahill has been there but can’t remember if he endorsed it or has been there recently.
I love this argument.
I’ve never been there, but people like it, so it probably sucks and should be destroyed.
I've been there a couple times too.
The atmosphere around Wrigley is incredible. The concourses are old, but inside the park is really really cool. Theres something about sitting in seats that have witnessed as much history as Wrigley seats have.
I watched a game there.
It was a miserable game. There was like 3 rain delays and I was sitting there for 5 hours on the bleacher seats that don’t have a back rest. The stadium itself is amazing and I loved getting to see a game there even if it wasn’t a picturesque game.
Personally
I like it more than Fenway. I lived in Chicago for a couple summers and it was always great when I could get to Wrigleyville for a game and time afterwards.
I’ve seen dozens of games there, and there is nothing wrong with that ballpark. Great place to see a game.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
Well that's incredibly stupid.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
So, you pick off a pass. You start running towards what would be your end zone. You make it past the QB, the last man with any chance of tackling you.
What happens next? The rules linked in the HBT piece make no mention.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
I agree
Somebody could still get seriously injured. But at least it won’t be an offensive player because we have to protect them at all costs.
Actually
I’m looking at the pic now. There are endzones on both sides so I guess it’s not too big of a deal. That RB chasing you down would only need to not fuck with you for 10 yards after you cross the plane.
Running full speed, a speedy guy might still have minor trouble slowing down.
Look at the right sideline though. You’re a full 10 feet away from a brick wall.
It's ridiculous in every aspect.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I guess it's one of those things where there is a definite potential for a problem
but it would still take the exact 1 or 2 plays for the problem to come to fruition
It's a completely unnecessary risk though
It’s only an issue because they are trying to shoehorn a football game into a baseball stadium.
People like Wrigley
That’s why they try to place hockey games there too.
And that is where the Bears used to play so it’s not like it’s never been done.
I understand why the are doing it. Northwestern is a shitty draw on their own so lets play at Wrigley
At least with hockey the rink actually fits inside the confines of the baseball playing field.
I was actually wondering this
I think if Northwestern is doing reasonably well, the UofI/NU game actually does draw pretty well.
I was more concerned when I was thinking that there actually wasn't another endzone at all
and that the plane was met by a few feet and then a wall. but if you have an endzone and a couple feet till the padded brick wall, I’m ok with it. Still some issues on the side, but I think still worth it
Well, wouldn't be a safety in this case...
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Run into a wall?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
And then immediately
go for the 2 pointer
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
You can score in the other end zone on punts, fumble recoveries, and interceptions.
They updated that on Twitter.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Surely, they've come up with a better plan for the Pinstripe Bowl, right?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
A giant freeze ray comes down from the sky and everyone is paralyzed as they are
Then a gang of hulking, barely sentient giant men go out there, pick everyone up and reposition them at the corresponding opposite side of the field.
Jeepers, how easy was that fix?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Starship Bistromath.
Complete with Somebody Else’s Problem.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Out Hithchiker's references are getting more obscure and farther into the Trilogy every week
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Our
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Where's Wonko the Sane?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
How would you like it
if you had tickets on the wrong goal line?
"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10
there's nothing wrong with that.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
There's something wrong because it's stupid.
No one who saw the plans ever spoke up and said, “Uh… guys? We don’t have enough fucking room to play a real football game here!”?
Well
I assume it happened this way because the Bears had played at Wrigley for a long time and nobody assumed/remembered that there was an issue
how is it stupid?
is either team getting a unfair advantage? is the offense? is the defense? it seems like a smart idea…
they are playing the game there, so, it looks like they do have ‘enough fucking room to play’
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
If they had enough fucking room to play
then they wouldn’t have to turn the field around for the offenses so players wouldn’t have to fear for their safety when trying to make a play in the endzone. They don’t have enough fucking room to play the game how it’s supposed to be played. It’s stupid.
You don’t think so; we differ in opinions. It happens.
I think the issue is
that if the way to play the game at Wrigley is to follow these rules, but as a result of these rules, nobody loses any advantages, then you play the game at Wrigley with these rules. And nobody is going to complain about it.
Put it another way – if someone 9 months ago said we can play a game at Wrigley but can only use 1 endzone rules, they’d still be playing this game and lots of people would be upset if that was the reason they decided not to play the game at Wrigley. I could see players, coaches not liking 1 endzone rules but the vast vast majority of fans and AD people would want it.
I don't get all the Steve Bartman jokes
It’s not like some non-player is going to interfere with a live football . . .
Still pissed about that
ASU got screwed in that play.
"I fully expect to lose tonight" -- LSJ
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 19, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Italy PM replaces penis on statue, angers experts
Yep, truth is stranger than fiction
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Oh, "replaces".
I read it as “places” and was wondering why more people weren’t upset about the Prime Minister molesting a bunch of statues.
by Giant Space Ants on Nov 19, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Haha, you are correct
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
AJM would not be on board
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I hope that gets implemented
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
But it looks so cool!!!
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Red light: stop. Green light: go. Yellow light: go very fast.
/Starman
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
Doesn't improve enough on the regular ones to actually make it worth implementing.
Hypothetically, since it is just a design. Besides, it can’t fire a single laser; if it can’t serve a dual purpose as a raygun to ward of adversaries, it ain’t worth implementing.
by Giant Space Ants on Nov 19, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure if this has been covered
Names Norm through out today.
C Ryan Hanigan
Util: Bill Hall
Pitchers: Brandon Webb (Supposedly Webb has the Rangers on his top 3 list and likes the guys on the team.
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2010 1:42 PM CST reply actions
How's Webb doing? Last I heard he was sitting 82-83..I know it's a process to build up arm strength...
just wondering if anyone has heard any updates on his velo.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Well, when he won the CY in '06, his average velo was 88.4
I read that he was 84-ish in a fall workout, so he’s really not too far off of that.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
That's an important difference though.
I’ve heard he’s struggled getting up to 85.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I really can't understand why rehabbing pitchers would come here
I guess we gave Harden plenty of opportunities but not like that was a glowing success.
"Well, last year, Carroll praised our medical staff."
I remember at the time thinking “well, all the TOS stuff seems weird, but I guess he’s the expert…” Heh…
Yeah,
Maddux and Medical staff are definitely the reasons for coming here. But, at least in my mind, there really haven’t been very glowing rehab stories on the pitching side. Most of that is because there probably aren’t that many total to begin with.
Yeah,
I always forget about him but he plays 6 positions well.
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not good at that stuff
Norm said somewhere between 5-7 million so that seems like a good starting point.
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
A 25 spot & 500k?
Not really, his last deal was 4 years/$24M. I don’t think he’ll get near that much again, obviously. 2 years, 4-6mil maybe?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
How terrible would Hall be defensively in CF platooning with Borbon?
He started in CF for Milwaukee in 2007 but only 8 games since then. His 2007 performance wasn’t bad, though.
Being able to use one roster spot for a platoon CF and backup 2b/SS/3b would be huge.
He has played CF more often that that according to fg
2010, SSSxinfinity, he was +38.3 UZR/150 in 48 innings.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Wonder how many souls AJM has crushed today.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I don't know
Entertain me. I’m bored man….
DANCE CHICKEN!
I should be working on homework but my brain wont stay on topic long enough to even start.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Nov 19, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I've got a 20 paper due Tuesday.....I've read like 15 articles highlighting some stuff....
but I haven’t even started it…I probably start Sunday….
I embrace procrastination.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
*20 page
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Yeah I'm the same way
Some of my best work is generated at the last possible second. Not really the way to live though….so I’ve heard.
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Nov 19, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Here's what I did when I was in college in days of yore
I picked a subject and wrote papers on the same or near same subject in many different classes. My subject was Edgar Allen Poe. I wrote about his effect on history sociology laws, etc. I got to be an expert on the pervert. I got this idea from Mad magazine. I never made the Deans List
That's kinda what I do....it's awesome....
the thing that gets me is APA format, I fucking hate it….I just want to run lip, but it is what it is.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Do we think the Rangers won't go after any big name relievers?
Definitely hasn’t been mentioned anywhere so I would assume that’s right. But then we probably need one more reliever if Ogando is asked to make the switch and I’d rather go with a proven guy instead of hoping for good with Scheppers or Beltre or others.
Norm mentioned
Arthur Rhodes. Forgot that name in my list above.
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
You think FX2 comes back on an incentive deal?
Still hurt during the playoffs could not have helped his stock.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Hopefully
I’d love for him to come back
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Hopefully that will help lower his demands.
Considering what Benoit got, I am worried about what Fx2 will get.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
Benoit was one of the best RPs in baseball this past year
While Frankie is the guy who lost the closer’s job in April and finished the season hurt. That should help us a decent amount.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
What kind of proven guy are you thinking of?
I wouldn’t want to see any money spent on a RP, but I wouldn’t mind an interesting NRI option brought in or maybe a cheap veteran (maybe something a little less than Darren Oliver money). There’s just too many decent arms that the Rangers could plug into the bullpen to spend their resources on it now. If its a problem during the season, you can make a midseason trade or something.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I think that's how the Rangers view at as well
and I generally tend to agree, but I wouldn’t mind just having a guy like Putz and then not have to worry about the bullpen at all
you're a putz if you're depending on Putz
Not really, I’d actually love Putz here just for his name
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Any interesting relief prospects available in the upcoming Rule V draft?
Might be able to find a cheap arm that way. I know it’s a stretch but KC did hit it big with Soria.
"Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry? " - Sideshow Bob
by stupidsexyflanders on Nov 19, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yes,
This is what I was going to say. Thanks for saving me the time.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
mlbtr
The Yankees are about to offer Derek Jeter a three-year deal worth $45MM, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). Joel Sherman of the New York Post reported yesterday that the Yankees would likely make such an offer to their captain.
Wallace Matthews of ESPNNewYork reported earlier in the week that Jeter wants at least a four-year deal would prefer a five or six-year contract. He also reported that the Yankees would be happy to agree to a three-year $63MM deal. Some have suggested that the Yankees could play hardball with Jeter if he doesn’t like their offer and tell him to test the open market and see if he does better.
by I am Neftali Feliz on Nov 19, 2010 1:58 PM CST reply actions
Its going to be for more than 45 million
No way he takes less than 4/60
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
please test the FA Market, please test the FA Market, please test the FA Market....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Ryin A on Nov 19, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3/45 is what Buster Olney predicted on a Bill Simmons podcast
back in October.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh
According to MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan, free agent Vladimir Guerrero told the Rangers earlier this week that he wants a multi-year deal.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I called the Rangers and told them that I want to sit between Chuck and Nolan on opening day.
Hopefully they will give Vlad the same answer that I got.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
HA!!!!!!!!
You were too late. I had already got that seat. Eat your heart out
If I were Vlad,
I would drop Ron Washington’s name all over the place. “See what Ron wants. Ask Ron if he thinks I can play well for 2 more years.”
But otherwise, I really hope nobody else in management wants him back
I'd tell Vlad
Big Gulps huh? Well, see ya later.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Uhhmmmm... good news?
If he’s really set on a multi-year, then he’s turning down arb, maybe?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Told ya' the Astros would go back on the market after the Rangers sold, but this is insane:
SI_JonHeyman
hearing drayton mclane willing to sell #astros for right price. 700 mil, I heard. houston fox station has been on this story.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
700million?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
On the radio down here,
somebody just said he’s looking for $800M.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 19, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that, wow.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Mine is languishing because of work/school.
I have so many awesome games I want to spend more time on and I can’t. Haven’t beaten Super Paper Mario. Haven’t sapped all the gameplay out of Galaxy 2 and Monster Hunter. Have barely touched Okami and Other M (though I’m less than enamored with Other M so far). Then Epic Mickey comes out in a few days and now, apparently, the new Donkey Kong Country is spectacular.
I can’t remember how I use to fit in time to beat every game I owned.
Oh wow, do not listen to this unless you have a strong stomach
Repeat DWI Driver’s Chilling Phone Call
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I hate reading/hearing about stuff like this
I’ve been that drunk before. And I don’t drive. Its not worth it. He’ll be in his 60s when he’s eligible for parole. Not worth it….
And that family is torn apart because of his wreckless decision. There is a special rung in Hell for assholes like that.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I've been getting that drunk more often now than I did in college (2-3 times a year)
(I think because in college I would do other drugs that would prevent me from blacking out)
But my biggest fear with blacking out is that I’ll end up driving somewhere. It’s never happened (and I’ve never come close to my knowledge) but who knows what goes on in your head when you’re blacked out. I’ve done/said a lot of stupid shit when I’m that drunk.
Luckily I have friends around that won't let me do something that stupid.
I got silly drunk after game 1 of the ALCS. Got in a huge fight with my girlfriend. Ended up sleeping with my head at the foot board in my boxers in boots.
Didn’t remember a damn thing the next day…..Hearing her recap it the next day, I felt really bad. I’m usually a very happy drunk.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure AJM will have a blog-post soon but
Per T.R. Sullivan, the Rangers have added four players to their 40-man roster, including Fabio Castillo, Wilmer Font, and Engel Beltre.
The other is Miguel De Los Santos
Rangers sign Esteban German, two others
Kevin Cash and Doug Deeds are the others
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