Rangers offer arbitration to Lee, Francisco
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 23, 2010 6:18 PM CST
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PrintThe Rangers have made decisions on offering arbitration to their four Type A free agents, offering arb to Cliff Lee and Frank Francisco, and declining arbitration with Vladimir Guerrero and Bengie Molina.
Lee, Francisco and Molina seemed to be no-brainers, with Guerrero being the question mark. Evan Grant explains, in the link above, the rationale behind passing on Guerrero, even though the Rangers supposedly want to bring him back.
The Rangers would get a pair of draft picks if Lee signs elsewhere, and a pair of draft picks if Francisco signs elsewhere, although Francisco seems like a fair bet to accept and return to Texas in 2011.
Francisco coming back would seem to increase the odds of Neftali Feliz getting a legit shot at the rotation in 2011. After all, the Rangers weren't going to pull Feliz out of the closer's spot without anyone experienced available to replace him...but with Frankie returning, they can make him the closer in 2011, and have Alexi Ogando be the 8th inning guy, with the idea being that Ogando could take over the closer's role in 2012. That would allow Feliz to move to the rotation.
Or Feliz could close in 2011, and Frankie and Ogando could be the setup men.
We shall see.
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Dear Seattle,
Please make Vlad a 2-year offer.
Please?
Sincerely,
A Rangers Supporter Who Remembers Sosa & Andruw
"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."
by Hard8 on Nov 23, 2010 6:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Supposition A is not happening
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
If Lee signs elsewhere
and Frankie takes arb, I would imagine there’s a decent chance of it happening.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I guess it could
I just don’t see that he is ready yet. I suppose we shall find out soon enough.
Oh, and my lazy/busy ass hasn’t gotten to the post office yet, apologies.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
or Ogando could become a starter
I really think we could have gotten away with offering Vlad arb. He wants a multi-year deal and he could have gotten a multi-year deal.
I wonder if this wasn’t a case of the Rangers doing Vlad a favor by not costing the signing team a draft pick, increasing the market for Vlad. I feel like we always discuss this possibility whenever the Rangers don’t offer someone arb but I really think that is the case this time.
I thought this too
and it could have been in the deal. the way fringe type A players have had a tough time signing contracts with a lot of teams that don’t want to forfeit a pick, I’d imagine that not offering a player arbitration would be a benefit that a player could negotiate in their contract. I’m not sure if this is accurate, but it’s a possibility
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Well, that is often written into the contract
I think ab03 is alluding to a handshake-type deal.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I seem to recall...
…a few years ago, the Rangers had signed someone to a one year deal, and then didn’t offer arbitration, which was something of a bombshell.
And it turned out that part of the deal was that they wouldn’t offer him arbitration at the end of the season.
I need to figure out who that was.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 23, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I think it was Kenny Rogers
Who wasn’t on a one year deal, but still…
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 23, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Rogers
That’s who came to mind for me, without remembering the exact circumstances.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 23, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
No we got Scheppers
with the comp pick we got from him
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I agree about Vlad
Players only have a week to accept arbitration, and I’m guessing/hoping Vlad would not accept arbitration because he thought he could get a two year deal.
Under the old system, where players had more time to accept arbitration, I’d agree that there’s no way you offer it to Vlad.
Question
if the choice is Lee (let’s say for 6-140), Feliz as the closer or Feliz as a starter and Lee to the Yankees, which would be better for the Rangers?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Long term
of course, the answer is obvious short-term
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I guess it'll depend on the budget level they want to operate under in a few years
If it’s around $100 million, then Feliz as starter is probably better. If it’s around $130, then the first one.
what would be best
is Lee AND Feliz as starters. I still don’t get why if we lose Lee that we’d try Feliz as starter. Why the hell wouldn’t we do that anyways?
As for your question…Feliz as starter.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
If Lee is here
I have no problem keeping Feliz as the closer another year. He can move to the rotation after CJ hits the free agent market.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
wouldn't you want to extend CJ
I’d rather extend him than pay crazy money for Lee, especially if it’s an either/or proposition
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I base it off CJ's year this coming year.
The injury bug could strike, given the increase.
I’d like to see how the number of pitches in 2009 compared to this season. See how much it differed, given the innings increase, since as a reliever he was throwing 20+ an inning sometimes.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I'd be more worried about an injury to Cliff Lee
as he has a history there. Ceej should be extended
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I really want Frank Frank...
to come back. So I am happy with this news.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 23, 2010 6:50 PM CST reply actions
I either want a lot of draft picks
or Feliz as a starter, so horray on all fronts.
Also – Horray on never having to take TR Sullivan seriously again
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
I really want Feliz as a starter
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
If they decide to stretch Feliz out as a starter
how much of the season does he spend in AAA? The last 2 seasons they have been waiting on Holland to turn the corner, if he can finally do it & Feliz becomes a league average pitcher at sometime this year then maybe they can make the playoffs without bringing in any new players.
by FBH22 on Nov 23, 2010 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The best answer is probably at least half a season if not all of 2011
Feliz hasn’t started in over a year and a half now. He has all of 23 starts above A ball in his career. His breaking stuff is not starting quality at the ML level. In order to stretch out as well as develop his secondary stuff to ML quality he probably needs a full season in the minors and even then he may only be a average ML starter his first couple years
I think they could stretch him out over the winter & ST
Of course, that assumes a 162 games schedule, which none of us really want. I do not think he is ready for that though, he needs to polish his secondaries 1st.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Question
What’s to stop a player like Carl Crawford who the Rays don’t want to resign from accepting arbitration and costing them a lot of money? Has that ever happened?
"Hey... Goldberg! I bet if that puck was a cheeseburger, you'd stop it!
The possibility that he gets injured and has no long-term security.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Royals interested in Millwood
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I never played DRD
But the zombie mods for many games were among my favorites.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I think I actually hate this Mavericks team more than any other I can remember in a long time
besides Dirk, Terry, Kidd, and Chandler, they are all extremely terrible. Usually it would be enough to have 4 good players but given how completely awful the rest are, it’s really not.
I completely agree.
And I hate Barea most of all.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
he's so bad
and teams keep leaving him open and he ends up with the ball in his hands taking shots.
NBA players should not miss so many open looks
Eh
I don’t see many awful players. The issue seems that they have depth.. but nobody significantly above average after Dirk. For example… you can definitely win with Haywood and Butler as starters. Stevenson is a decent backup SG. Marion’s a good backup forward. Beaubois should be the team’s second best scorer when he returns.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Barea is awful.
Butler, so far, relative to expectations of him as a decent second scorer, has been awful. Brian Cardinal is awful. After that, you have key rotation guys like Marion and Haywood and Terry, who are frustratingly inconsistent.
I mean, this team probably wins the league in 04 or 05 or 06 or 07, when the NBA sucked. These days, there’s way too much talent.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Barea
is absurdly awful.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
there are too many times where there's not a scorer out there
it’s the worst when Terry is the only scoring threat on the floor since he can’t create that much when he’s by himself.
that does not make for a good team
And watch them make this ought-to-be-comfortable win
at home over a shitty Pistons team look incredibly difficult!
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
The Mavs have a tendency
to power down against weak teams. They’re old. They’ll still pull the win out.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
How many close games
have you seen them lose to shitty teams over the last 2/3 years?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
The Bulls
are a good team. The Mavs got legitimately outplayed; it’s not because they were slacking off.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
And honestly,
I don’t know what you consider slacking off and what you consider just being outplayed.
That 3rd quarter was atrocious. I can see giving up that many points but no excuse for not making any shots for that stretch of time
Slacking off
is not caring for most of the game because you’re two years away from the NBA’s pension program, then making sure you surge ahead in the 4th quarter because playoffs are fun. The Chicago game was just a flaming ball of suck.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Ok
I dont’ even know what the fuck you’re trying to say here.
But Chicago beat them by being the better team when it’s clear that they aren’t a very good team. There’s no denying that. Any mavs team from years past would have handled that Chicago team (especially with the way Chicago was generally playing, not having Boozer)
They played extremely shitty basketball
I’m not going to deny that. But it was a case of a team playing extremely shitty basketball. It happens. I can also look at this current squad and make the case they would beat the Golden State team which wiped the floor with our 67-win squad. You’re not accounting for random variation.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Our biggest issues
were Baron Davis kicking massive amounts of ass, a willingness to throw caution to the winds and abandon the playstyle which got them such regular-season success and the team having no way to account for Dirk being double-teamed.
What’s different for this team?
They defend big PGs much better, distribute the ball more capably and don’t sacrifice their style of play by neglecting to use a center and constantly pushing the ball just because the other team has taken that philosophy.
Is this team better than ’07’s? Not a chance in hell. But they’re a better fit. Eh.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
They should've beaten them
if they knew how to rebound a fucking ball, and if a single player outside of Dirk didn’t suck dick.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Yeah
he’s super frustrating. I don’t know how anyone loses their ability to shoot or dribble so suddenly.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I can point to 3 guys who could carry Detroit
I can point to 1.5 scorers who could carry Dallas. And honestly, not sure Dirk wants to do any carrying today.
I'd provide the collateral
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I love Chandler so much.
And is that a fat guy in a claw and antlers shirt sititng behind the mavs basket?
Dude
seriously? Present your point to any number of fans or pundits acrossed Mavs Nation. How many would agree that everyone but four players can be classified as “extremely terrible”?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
posted in wrong part, but
How many people would look at this team and say "The issue seems that they have depth"
Besides mark cuban
Plenty
Bob Sturm made that point earlier today, actually.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I'm way too tired to maintain the snark
but if you ran a poll on a large Mavs site such as dallasbasketball.com, do you honestly believe the consensus would match up with your hypothesis?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I don't really know why I would take a poll on any homer site like that
I think if you objectively looked at the Mavs, most people would say that they don’t have enough good players and they have too many bad players on the floor at any given time.
Even today, like the Bulls game, people are playing awful. Does that mean they are awful? I have no clue – but I know that if Haywood or Butler don’t do something soon, then yes, they are actually awful. Marion is actually awful. Barea is awful. These are all people that touch the ball way too often
Marion is league average PER-wise, and his USG% isn't crippling.
The large culprits are Butler (26.4% USG, which is ridiculous when he produces an 89 O-Rating), Barea (27.2% AST, but coupled with 93 ORtg compared to 107 DRtg) and Haywood (who has rebounded poorly and turned it over way too much for his role).
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
In fairness
Marion’s +/- has been truly godawful this year.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Which is part of the cause
But I don’t think +/- is a huge thing.
If comparing his ratios to last season, or even the majority of his career, he hasn’t been that bad, or at least along the lines of what you ought to expect of him.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
also
you can definitely win with Haywood and Butler as starters.
Is not true at all unless they were on the Heat
Not really.
I bet Butler would just wreck things even more with his isolation crap.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
He wants to do it every night
But surely they shouldn’t let him do it every night.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Random note
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Blah. I hate the computer at work
The White Sox did not offer Manny arbitration. I’d be very interested if Ron feels he wouldn’t upset the clubhouse too much.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Fucking Marion, what a loser.
And Tracy McGrady is still playing?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Yeah, I really don't understand what Detroit is doing or trying to do.
They’ve spent a lot of dumb money the last couple of years.
Dirk's FT shooting has regressed badly.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Well, not really, but it's so noticeable that he's missing them.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I've decided this could be the worst Mavs team since Dirk's second season.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
At least since the Antoine season.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Did anyone expect more?
I mean this team hasn’t done anything to improve much from last season besides getting Chandler but that is offset by the lose of Roddy B.
The thing is
last season’s team, post-trade, was a low-to-mid 50 win team who won those games without all that much contribution by Roddy B.
They added Chandler this season, didn’t lose anything particularly significant, and the rest of the West didn’t improve all that much – at least not enough to consign the Mavs to slip a long way down the slope.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
He's more than good
Has there been a better rookie PG since Magic?
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Paul posted a 22.1 PER as a rookie.
That’s First Team All-NBA caliber production in a first year player. Wall might have an even higher ceiling though.
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 24, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
He's also leading the league
in BPG. They might have found something there, heh.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Between Wall, Blatche, and McGee
They may have the best trio of non-Miami athletic specimens in the league.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Yeah, all three are extremely toolsy for their positions.
Blatche is a Webber redux, just needs to improve the passing a little.
Found what I want for Christmas..
No matter if he resigns or not, I want. And for only $200 bones!
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Thanks man!
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
No Xmas spirit :(
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I'm more into receiving than giving.
Wait, what?!?! No no no.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Nov 23, 2010 10:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
TWSS
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
You add to your Stones collection?
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Not yet going to tomorrow.
Out of Sticky Fingers, Some Girls, Tattoo You, Goats Head Soup, and It’s Only Rock and Roll, which should I get in what order.
Course I’m at the liberty of Best Buy, cause I have a gift card I’m trying to get rid of.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I'd go in the order you have listed,
except I’d switch Goats and Rock n Roll.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Sweet.
Exile is my favorite I can’t stop listening to it.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
It's one of those albums where you pick up something new all the time.
I listened with headphones recently, just to hear more new things.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
dude....these are things that belong on paper only....we've got a series to sale.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Can I join bub?
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
man....I'll have to get back to you on that.....we're about to wrap up production ANY.TIME.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Beautiful Reader's Digest work there...very impressed.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You ever read the 33 1/3 books?
I’ve got the one for Pet Sounds and Zep 4, haven’t read either the whole way through, but impressed by each so far.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
No. I never even heard of 'em.
Pet Sounds is an interesting book, I bet. From what I’ve heard, Wilson wanted to compose a masterpiece, and left the lyrics to a jingle writer.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
any good bios on Wilson?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I dunno.
I remember seeing something a few years ago. Talked about his dad being a psycho, slapping him in the ear, nearly deafening him. And all the crazy shit with his ‘guru’, Eugene Landy.
You’d think there’d be something out there, but from what I’ve heard he still defends his old man and Landy.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
He is a very interesting person, on many different levels.
Shame his health is deteriorating.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
It's more an individuals view on the album.
Each book was written by a different person.
Wikipage with book titles.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I need to check those out.
Neil Young’s ‘Harvest’ and Sly and the Family Stone’s ’There’s a Riot Goin On’ jumped out at me.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I want to get more.
Especially Exile, Piper at the Gates of Dawn, The Who Sells Out, Let it Be, Harvest, Murmur, Achtung Baby, and Music from the Big Pink.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Music from the Big Pink
Have you seen Scorcese’s ‘The Last Waltz’? It’s a must.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
No I will though.
Something tells me (from limited knowledge) Scorcese likes to do music based productions.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Quite a collection of talent.
Freakin’ Van Morrison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Waltz
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
O ya I've seen parts of that.
Ya, that’s an impressive gathering. I want to see Van live, but he’s getting on up there. I’m still in shock about the Jackson Browne concert from August, easily top 5 for me.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Last time Van was in Dallas,
I got up to $300/ticket on eBay, and had to quit. I’ve accepted I’ll never see him. The Hank Aaron of music, underrated but still legendary.
Browne is great, ‘cept I don’t know what he saw in Daryl Hannah.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I would love, love, love to see Van
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Ya, I hate listening to it on my computer at school, so much sound is lost.
I really wish my record player at home was better and I’d buy a 180g vinyl of it. But ya, every song has it’s own flair and is great in their respective rights.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
You really shouldn't be so surprised.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
The Mavs fucking suck.
There’s nothing new here.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
GO SPURS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
FUCK Y-oh, I don't even have the heart to say it.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Who says old guys don't know how to win?
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Their offense has been amazing this season.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Ya, they might regress a bit.
Blair is going to be a stud though.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
The crazy thing is they're getting scoring across the board.
I expect them to regress, but they look like a top 5 offensive team and legitimate contender against the Lakers.
Strangely enough I would still feel relatively optimistic about a No. 2 Spurs versus No. 7 Mavs playoffs matchup. That would be the only opponent right now that I could see the Mavs beating in the playoffs, and it’s only because of the entire ‘rivalry overrules any actual advantage’ thing which seems to apply.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Ya I'm not much of a bball guy.
I picked the Spurs as a kid, watching the Admiral was enough to make me a lifelong fan, man was he amazing.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Well
Even if they lose tonight, their record is still a half-game better than the Heat.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 23, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Says more about the Heat than the Mavs.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
He'll just get to see another passage of terrible late-game execution.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Carmelo Anthony
Marc Stein reported this week that the Mavs are one of two teams that might be willing to trade for him. Should the Mavs do it if they have to include Roddy? For those who don’t know Carmelo is a free agent after the season.
If the lockout rumours are true...
then the Mavs might have a decent shot at extending him.
Then again, if the lockout rumours are true, by the time you exit the lockout, Kidd is probably done, Dirk is slipping down, and you’d need to rebuild anyway, and that would suck without Roddy.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
can you imagine 2 of the 4 major sports locking out at the same time....
by jonathan rigby on Nov 24, 2010 3:40 AM CST up reply actions
Hello hockey as a main sport!
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
The funny thing is
I told myself at about 7-2, that once Butler found his stroke and became a relatively consistent 15PPG scorer (on, say, 12 shots a game), Haywood settled in with Chandler into the tandem (which they’ve shown in bursts), Carlisle buried Barea and Roddy B came back, this would be another pretty good team and had a pretty decent chance of going deep into the playoffs.
As it turns out, Butler and Haywood are never going to be good, and Barea’s going to keep playing, even when Roddy B is back.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
You're first paragraph could easily happen.
Good gosh with the negativism on the Mavs in here.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
The odds aren't very good.
Only mere flashes – the center tandem has had a couple of brilliant games; Butler hasn’t really shown any inclination to drive to the rim (and he hasn’t been successful when he’s got there); Barea is going to continue to get PT as long as Roddy hasn’t learned the backup PG role; I’m not sure Roddy B will be all that much this season outside of a pretty good scorer off the bench, which is nice, but not game-breaking.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
What's better: a bacon cheeseburger from whataburger or the Wendy's bacon deluxe
by oc on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
They use the oldest meat from their meat drawer that they put in the fridge for who knows how long
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Ok, on occasions.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
would eat there every day
if it would not make me fat and poor
by jonathan rigby on Nov 24, 2010 3:37 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
I just turned on the game and by the stuff that has been said in this thread you’d think the Mavs were losing by double digits yet they are up by 3 with 2 min left.
Dirk says
STFU LSB.
Why do you doubt him so? haha
Fight to the end, now we ascend, together we will take them down.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Nov 23, 2010 10:01 PM CST reply actions
Stick to baseball fuckers
/dirk
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Nov 23, 2010 10:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
:D
Fight to the end, now we ascend, together we will take them down.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Nov 23, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
x
LoneStarDugout Jason Cole
Chris Davis was 3-for-4 with a pair of home runs in the D.R. tonight. Now 6-for-22 with a double, three homers, zero walks, and 8 strikeouts
I wonder if he's catching.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
He plays 1B
/Mike E
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Don't be hatin'
/Smoak
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
x
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
by BigGuns on Nov 23, 2010 10:36 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
WTF
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
That's guns on the right.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
He's gonna kick your ass for that.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
nah, he's a big teddy bear.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Now he's going to be super pissed that you called him a bear.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
that's true, but I want you to hold this dog for a quick photo...
K thanks Bub.
This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.
by BigGuns on Nov 23, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Greatness
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
bwaaaahhhaaa
reaction = priceless.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I find it funny he sticks his tongue out
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Really?
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
hell no, that dude's a pipsqueek
Guns is a beast.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That's hilarious.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
What happened did UK graduate a player?
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Texas Jihad on Nov 23, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
John Wall left
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
OT: The Beatles sold 450K albums and 2 million songs on iTunes last week
Wow. I really thought most people that wanted Beatles songs had them already. Additional albums were sold on Amazon, which discounted to compete with iTunes prices.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
That's me.
I think the Beatles getting on iTunes was a ploy by Apple to get the other artist to join up, i.e AC/DC, Bob Segar, and others. Most of the people that want the Beatles already have the Beatles, and if they want new they want a hard copy. Or at least I still want a hard copy
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
Heard that today. Crazy.
And how bout a George song being tops, ‘Here Comes the Sun’.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
OT Cowboys and Mavs
Don’t give a shit.
Hobson, did you see that?
Yes.
She stole that tie! It's the perfect crime. Girls don't wear ties; although some do. It's not a perfect crime, but it's a good crime.
Yes. If she murdered the tie it would be the perfect crime.
by WyoRanger on Nov 24, 2010 3:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cliff Lee is going to take arb, you hear it here first.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Tweet it.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Xanga it.
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
done
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I just retweeted it to all 5 of my followers.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I saw that....
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
moar walks
Engel Beltre got his first extra-base hit for Licey tonight, giving him a strange line through 17 games – .370/.388/.391. No walks, 10 K.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I enjoy....
How I am reading the normal comments, then suddenly a prolonged Mavs thread breaks out. This is a good place.
HE LIVES!
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
I've got a sweet ass video...
that I’m gonna debut for you lads tomorrow.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 24, 2010 12:33 AM CST reply actions
Dave Cameron on VMart
The Tigers are essentially borrowing from the future to improve their present. Martinez should provide good value for the cost in 2011 and maybe in 2012 as well, and they’re hoping that the near term benefit outweighs the long term cost of having some dead money on the books at the end of the deal.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
That's about the least controvertial thing I've read this year.
How many long-term MLB contracts deviate from this idea?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 24, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Holy crap.
Mavs are 9-4 (57 win pace) with wins over Boston, Denver, New Orleans, and Atlanta while playing the best defense of the Dirk era, and Dirk himself is second in the NBA in scoring.
Silly me, I thought they were doing okay.
Is this what we have to look forward to in a couple of years? The Rangers make four or five playoff in a row, don’t win a Series, birthing a fandom full of people bemoaning how much they suck? Spare me from that.
Who ever says "the Mavericks suck" is a fucking moron.
They don’t win in the playoffs, but they obviously don’t suck.
They are more mediocre
good enough to make the playoffs, and not get a chance at the lotto pick that might make them better, but not good enough to do all that much in the playoffs.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
You basically described every playoff team except the Lakers.
And maybe, just maybe the Heat if they can work out a system that hides their weaknesses better.
Everyone else is just trying to make the playoffs and catch fire at the right time. Yes, the Mavs have had their disappointments, but that’s just because they’re there EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR A DECADE.
Five years ago, it was the Suns who were going to be the next great Western Conference powerhouse, but they’ve been ground down into a shadow of themselves. Then the Hornets were going to build a dynasty, but still haven’t gotten around to it. Houston spent half a decade as the team ready to make the “next step”, but never made much of themselves. Portland has been the “deepest team in the league” for years now, long enough for their best players’ knees to wear down to the bone.
All of those teams are forgiven their flaws because they have the common decency to fall out of contention every once in a while, so we can fall in love with them all over again when they make their “big comeback”, which never actually ends up going anywhere, but what the hell, it makes a good story, right?
The Mavs sin is that they never go away, they never fall back, and yes, they never win. But to describe what they’ve done over the last decade as mediocre gives me the same kind of douche chills as I got while watching Yankee fans bitch and cry because they had to wait nine whole years between titles.
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 24, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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