Morosi: Greinke requests trade, fires his agent
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 7:09 PM CST
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PrintFrom Jon Paul Morosi comes this story that Kansas City Royals righthander Zack Greinke has fired his agent, hired CAA to represent him, and wants the Royals to trade him.
This is significant for the Rangers, of course. They've been pursuing him for several years, and while Greinke has a no-trade clause, the Rangers are not one of the teams he can block a trade to.
The Royals' asking price for Greinke has been exorbinant, but with Greinke now forcing the issue, they may feel that they are backed into a corner. With Greinke under contract for two more years, they could simply say, too bad, we aren't dealing with...but Greinke has walked away from baseball once before, and I wouldn't find it shocking if Greinke decide that he simply wasn't going to play for Kansas City anymore, and refused to report if he wasn't dealt.
Alternatively, they can go to spring training with a young, rebuilding club whose superstar pitcher is going to be unhappy and not making any effort to hide it. Kansas City may be best served by simply finding the best offer they can right now and moving forward.
Greinke was a disappointment last year, on the heels of his Cy Young Award winning 2009, and there was some suggestion that the hopelessness of the Royals' situation, and the futility of pitching for them, had finally worn on him to the point that he wasn't performing to capabilities.
The Rangers, with Cliff Lee having signed with Philly (*cries*), are doubtless going to continue pursuing Greinke, and have pieces to get the deal done, even if they refuse to part with Martin Perez. Jurickson Profar is supposedly a sticking point, but I can't imagine the Rangers would make him untouchable as part of a deal for a pitcher like Greinke.
So, we shall see...this is definitely a situation worth monitoring going forward...
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that is my favorite sketch...maybe of all time.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
When we adopted our kittens...
…I wanted to name them either Uday and Qusay or Lysol and Tyree…
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
So you're not a black guy with crazy curlz and a penchant for old fashioned clothes?
I think my world view just got smushed.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
you aren't either?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Man of Mystery.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
x
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
have we found our new mascots for 2011?
They’ve been popping up A LOT as of late.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 17, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
Josey is Mr. Spleen
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
let your SOUL GLOW
LET IT SHINE
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
you arent a giant marshmellow man?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Sshh!
We’re picking on sprite here, stay on target man!
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Stay on target?
You’re asking a lot here Rodney.
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Chad
I had sex with Katie too, mayne.
Katie has some big-ass titaes.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
Shut up Fatboy before I cut some bacon off your back.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Would you hold it down? We're trying to make love over here.
"You're failing Seymour; what is it with you and failure?"
by Maximilian on Dec 18, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to have to watch this today.
so great.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nothin' beats Clayton Bixby
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 17, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't know what this is from.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I don't think I've ever watched a full episode sir.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I was in junior high/high school when it was popular.
I’ve seen parts of the racial draft and John Mayer shows.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Run (don't walk) to the nearest place that has DVDs and get it NOW
you will probably shit your pants you’ll laugh so hard. Which, I guess, isn’t that great of an incentive to watch. Maybe you could watch while you’re sitting on the toilet?
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
Ultimate Man Bathroom from Home Improvement?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
It's available to watch instantly on Netflix.
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 17, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have Netflix.
:(
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
It's so worth it.
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 17, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really watch that many movies or TV.
Most of the time I’ve got music playing in the background. If it’s not baseball season it’s hardly ever on.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
The Rick James episode...
…is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen on television.
And the Mad Real World is very funny.
As is the R.Kelly parody video.
And, really, about 75% of everything from the show.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen Piss On You.
Is the Rick James one the “Cocaine is a helluva drug.”?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Yes
Also, “Black Bush” is greatness.
As is the black white supremecist.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
It appears to like you back
But really leaves you for other place it was at for 1/2 season?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 17, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
the black white supremecist might be my 2nd favorite.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Same here...
not really a big fan of “Piss on You” for some reason…
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
I like the remix from later in the episode later
just because at the time, that song was so fucking huge.
THE MAN TRIED TO KILL MY FAAAAAAATHER, SON!
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Japan...
..Sending Playstations
by TheHuntforRedOctober on Dec 17, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
agreed re: RJ sketch....unreal.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I've seen the Prince one a couple times...it's funny, but it ain't got shit on the Rick James one.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
In additional to the ones mentioned, I'm a huge fan of the Wayne Brady sketch
"We are no longer a ride at Six Flags, we are in contention to do some things that will make our lives complete. I have been waiting for this for a long time." -Chuck Morgan speaking for all of us
Quality
I also enjoyed Trading Spouses. “T-Mart……you are in time-out.”
“I like brown sugar….and I don’t mean in my oatmeal.”
“G-g-g-g-get your ass in the car!”
"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."
Oh snap, that's Wayne Brady son!
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
damn, that one is good too.
it’s almost impossible to rank them.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Lil Jon in the Drive Thru!
"Hell's frozen over, Pigs are flying! The Saints have won the Super Bowl"
Shreveport Captains in LSB H2H Fantasy League
The Tyrone Biggums debut had me in tears.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 18, 2010 2:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also Samuel L Jackson..
“Mhhhhhhhm mmmm, bitch!”
“How’s it taste motherfucker?!?”
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 18, 2010 2:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
THIS IS HOW I TALK!!!
IT’LL GETCHA DRUNK!!!
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I mostly want a trade just so I can stick my nose up at the rest of you about how we should have done this shit two years ago
by oc on Dec 17, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Which people didn't want Greinke two years ago?
I’ve never come across that belief. Even if he was pretty underrated two years ago before I took him in the second round of the BoaB league.
DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE
DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
But Davis can hit 80 HR!
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Does that include the Indy leagues?
"I also have to say that I was pretty obviously wrong about C.J. Wilson. As recently as the All Star Break, I proclaimed the decision to move him the rotation a failure. That was epicfail of a, well, epic nature" - AJM
I would have been excited about that before a game was even played in '09.
At this point that concept just makes me sad.
Obviously the same reason
we didn’t do Davis for Cain.
It’s all those forum naysayers keeping the deal from getting done!
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Dear Santa,
Please help J(F)D deliver Zack Greinke in our collective stocking. Thx.
/s/LSB
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
by SarasotaRanger on Dec 17, 2010 7:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If it takes
Scheppers+Profar+Beltre+Font+Hunter, would you pull the trigger?
Alternatively, you could substitute Perez for Scheppers and Profar.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
if he's demanded the trade is it going to take that much?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Know who else demanded a trade before...
Michael Young.
how did that turn out?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Dec 17, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Touche
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
How about Tommy Hunter for Greinke?
Tommy’s got more wins. DON’T SAY SHIT
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
/Dayton Moore.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
NOOOOOO
What is the point of a taking advantage of their hands tied when you trade your farm for the guy? That’s a ridiculous deal. May as well give them Feliz while you’re at it.
Go Rice Owls!
Scheppers + Hunter + Beltre OR Profar
Or Holland + Beltre OR Profar
throw in a Ross / Erlin type if you want
That is about my max deal. And one that KC could take to their fans and not be completely embarrassed by.
Go Rice Owls!
If they did the first one
I think they’d be embarrassed.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
well, you get embarrassed when your players are demanding trades
that’s the cost of not handling your employs well. We got embarrassed by the ARod trade too. Sucks to be them.
Go Rice Owls!
It would be embarassing for them to accept that though, even if he did ask for a trde.
Brett’s point is legitimate. You’re trying to build a deal without the Rangers’ best prospect and the only top 50 type guy (depending on how high you are on Profar) in the system. That’s not reasonable for a guy of Greinke’s ilk. If you offered them that first package, why wouldn’t Dayton just go to the Yankees, for example, and say “Hey, we know you’re really hesitant to give up Montero, so we’ll settle for a package around Banuelos.” He’d be better than any of the players you’re giving up.
$$$ maybe
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
/Heyman
Fuck, that pissed me off. Fucker was goddamn rooting for them to get Felix the other day.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
My dislike of him is growing into something uglier
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
It's not like he can't just waive the no-trade.
The no-trade isn’t necessarily an indication that he doesn’t want to play there either.
And someone put it out there on twitter that guys have NYY/NYM/BOS no-trades written into their deals to negotiate a bump if those teams do try to trade for them
But, thinking about Greinke going to them and the Royals adding Montero to their stackedass system just makes me sad all day, so I’m choosing not to do it. Anymore.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
sure
whatever. I don’t care if it would be embarrassing; that is what I would offer.
And not all teams value prospects the same. If they really want Profar, or they really want Scheppers (after all, they have a hundred Perez / Holland types in their organization already), then the deal may happen
Go Rice Owls!
IMO
we’d absolutely shaft them in a deal for Scheppers+Hunter+Profar.
Rany Jazayerli (sp) has publicly said he’d be quite underwhelmed if the return were Perez+Scheppers+Profar.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Well, screw Rany
They aren’t getting that. Especially if Greinke is demanding a trade.
And it’d be moronic for Texas (or any other team) to give them something at that level anyway. Which is why I have long said that Greinke wasn’t coming here.
The only way the Rangers should trade for Greinke is if the deal makes sense for them.
Go Rice Owls!
Do you suppose his new agent gave a heads up to a few select GMs before the news got out?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I would do
Scheppers, Hunter and Profar in a second.
That’s a relief prospect, a 5th starter with little upside and a 17 year old shortstop.
I think if the Royals were willing to settle for that, a deal would be done tonight.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Dude
Ive been crazy anti trade around here…but id do that deal so fuckin quick
Josey Wales is stupid
I'm very anti-trade
for the proposals some people toss around.
I just wrote a starting point I’d be comfortable with. Of course it looks lopsided, since the average deal suggested is so ridiculously overpaying it isn’t funny.
Go Rice Owls!
C-Date 12.17.10, 10:30 PM EST
Another trade proposal, another optimistic proposal shot down by Sir Curmudgeon. Morale is sinking, we’re going to need some positive sign to break his strengthening hold on all our hopes and trade proposals.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 17, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
No, I thought you were knighted by "Aqua...Man...Esq."
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I'm going to change mine to RangersSD, PI
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Nice.
But Ryin might be mad you’re stealing his PI theme.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
He has a PI theme
What have I missed since I’ve been on super late and not during the days?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
He wants to be Magnum PI while I want to be Cusack
from Gross Pointe Blank.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I want to be Jolie's nip from that movie.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 18, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, that was pushing tin. Shit.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 18, 2010 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Another good flick.
The moment Jolie and Billy Bob fell in love…
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Dean Martin from Oceans 11 then?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
and never got all the people
that said that deal would not be enough to land Greinke. The Rangers still have a deep system and our top 3 prospects aren’t good enough to trade for Greinke. BS. If you want more, we’ll throw you Beau Jones (pssh…he was in the Teixeira trade).
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Fuck that guy.
That’s underwhelming?! Were a top 10 system and those are our top 3 fucking prospects.
Like Lance Armstrong, that ball is gone!
by JimCrankshaft on Dec 17, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
They have 3 or 4 Perez level guys in AA already, so that doesn't really help them
I am really starting to think this has to be a three team trade to get Grienke in TX.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
If that's what it took, then I would
If they told us (a) do this trade, or (b) we’re pulling the trigger with the Twins…
I do it
NO NO NO NO NO NO NEVER NEVER NO
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 17, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Anything that drives down Greinke's price is good
I have long been a curmudgeon about Greinke, because I didn’t see it at all in KC’s interest to trade him for anything less than a Teixeira type package (and probably one that KC was hoping included a former player traded for Teixeira)
But if you’re right, and KC has to deal him, then that’ll hopefully drop their demands to something more reasonable. And if Greinke is really calling the shots here, I have to think Texas is in a good position.
I still doubt that Greinke is a Ranger in 3 months. But I’m a little less convinced today.
Go Rice Owls!
x
I have long been a curmudgeon about Greinke, because I didn’t see it at all in KC’s interest to trade him for anything less than a Teixeira type package (and probably one that KC was hoping included a former player traded for Teixeira)
Translation: I was afraid it would cost us Matt Harrison.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Or, god forbid,
Beau Jones.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
Let's get this over by Christmas.
I don’t have time for another situation that demands vigilant monitoring for weeks.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
as mush as I like the Son of Judeska and Chesmond
he’s still just 17 years old in the lower minors, so he can’t really be counted on right now to be an impact player in the bigs and by the time he would be in high A or so, we’d have two draft picks to compensate for losing Greinke (or we could extend him). I just don’t like Marteen being in the deal. I understand, though, why we’d have to.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
This is how I feel
With the additional point that I feel very comfortable with our middle infield. Profar clearly has the ability to be a very good player, but this is what depth is for.
I'd have no problem with Marteen as a headliner for a Greinke deal.
I pray at nights that Marteen will be that good. Greinke is that good right now and young and also it’s a nice idea to improve the current roster.
Just depends, obviously on what the rest of the package is.
I agree, that it wouldn't be the worst thing that can happen
I’m just convinced we can do a package without Martin involved.
I’d rather keep the ace-potential SP than a number of [probably] bullpen arms like Font/Scheppers, or an OF like Beltre
I kind of wonder why KC would desperately want Perez
They have tons of left handed pitching. Sure, you can never have enough. But at some point you want to diversify
Go Rice Owls!
No such thing as -
Too much beer, pussy, friends or pitching…specifically LH pitching.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Also
Someone who needs to know how to do this needs to put a clip of just the section with the crazy kid (starting at 8:06) in this video.
Kids on crack
"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL
by Pocket Ninja on Dec 17, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
This must be AJM at an early age finding out the Rangers had a winning record.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
doesn't hold a candle to Nintendo 64 Kid....
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 17, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot about this video that is epic.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Looks like those 1st grade era
photos of Kurt Cobain.
Is the kid singing Smells Like Teen Spirit?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 17, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Loo-ten-ten
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
John Dunbar?
Tatanka?
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 17, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Dances With Wolves?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Like bg just said, you should have seen it in the theatre.
I tried watching it again a few weeks back and turned it off.
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahahahahaha
Reason’s I never watched Avatar.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Everybody should have seen it in the theater.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Just didn't appeal to me.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Still something to experience.
I mean, everybody knew the plot going in. I don’t know the capabilities of 3D TVs, but if they re-release it in theaters (which I’m sure they will at some point), I’d suggest going.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
On a similar note...
I’d meekly recommend Tron: Legacy.
It’s not very good in any quantifiable way, but the score rocks and god, it’s gorgeous.
The 3D is really, really subtle
but the art design is incredible.
Just tone out all of the religious overtones, which have the subtlety of a freight train.
I'm on the fence with this one.
I’ll assume it’s gonna be at IMAX, eh?
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
For me, it was just regular digital 3D
but the only IMAX in the country is an hour or so away, so that’s why.
Young Jeff Bridges looks like Gary Oldman to me.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone see Bridges on Jimmy Kimmel last night?
He seemed high, but that might be how he always is
It looked off and creepy.
that’s the only negative thing about the effects.
It kind of resembled young Jeff Bridges, but it more resembled him if he had decided at age 25 to start a massive botox treatment.
Dumb Bear?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
DO IT
DO IT NAO
"They both have, according to scouts, "stacked minor league systems" but I just don’t see the Rays competing against the Red Sox or Yankees and I don’t think the Rangers will be able withstand the offseason wrath of Moreno. Have fun while it lasts." - by angelsownredsux
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 17, 2010 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Amber Lamps?
"They both have, according to scouts, "stacked minor league systems" but I just don’t see the Rays competing against the Red Sox or Yankees and I don’t think the Rangers will be able withstand the offseason wrath of Moreno. Have fun while it lasts." - by angelsownredsux
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 17, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
First boner since the Lee signing
make it happen JD!!!
p.s. try to keep at least one of Perez and Holland out of the deal
deep depression!!!
that kid really likes black chicks.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Hope the 2nd part is true
Zack Greinke wants to be traded, and the Kansas City Royals intend to grant his wish.
How angrydome does the angrydome get if he gets traded to the Angels?
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I just slapped you in effigy for saying that
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
What did the five fingers say to the face?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
SMACK
LIBERTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I thought it was "UNITYYYYYYYYYYY"
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
I win
prize: The internet
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
I may watch that tonight,
it’s been awhile.
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
watch what?
Is that a line from a movie? I picked it up somewhere here. You people are polluting my mind.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
My bad
I meant “I win. Prize: The Internet” I know where the UNITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY bit came from.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
damn....lost a little cred today :(
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
yeah
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
i like how confident you were about it
The snozberries taste like snozberries!!
by Chrom on Dec 18, 2010 2:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know, I was very sure of myself.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I would burn RBiA to the ground.
And murder everyone here.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
by Aqua on Dec 17, 2010 7:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shuddup Okie
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Shuddup Ty
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I have a birthday
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I have a birthday.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
How dare you...
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
You forgot /Rangers100
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly don't know how they could possibly do that
I’m not sure they’d trade Trout for him straightup, and everyone in their system is underwhelming as a frontliner. They also don’t really have young ML players to swap. Maybe Howie Kendrick? He doesn’t have a ton of projection left, though…
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
There is the angrydome we know and love!
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Yeah, that sounds pretty strong
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I feel special.
SI_JonHymen Jon Hymen
#BLOCKFRIDAY @CapitolAvenue @craigcalcaterra @keithlaw @TheMOEXP @octoberty @scrapplesports @metsfanmurph @tadthebad @jtc291980 #jerkfaces
You see that's the fake Jon Heyman, right?
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
He actually broadcasts who he blocks?
He actually uses the hashtag “jerkfaces?”
He’s such an awful person, it astounds me almost every day how awful.
Which one are you?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
No
But that’s okay, because the Rangers don’t play in Dallas.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
not that that was his actual point
but I can’t see Greinke thinking that the little old Texas Rangers are in too much of a pressure packed enviornment to pitch in.
Is it really pressure he doesn't want?
I think that may be looking at the SAD issue the wrong way
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Paging GB
White courtesy phone please.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Why the courtesy phone gotta be white?
Parks had an interesting take on him the other day, too, said he was a competitive freak
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Heh, reverse racism at its best?
Yeah, that he was uber competitive, right?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
You rang?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 17, 2010 9:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well that's good
i mean, there’s such a huge distance between dallas and arlington, it’d be too much pressure to travel such far distances.
The anticlutch.
/Rangers100
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
cool i get to listen to E news
/mike e
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Vince Carter and Gilbert Arenas on the same team?
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Y! Sources: Magic and Wizards in serious talks on a trade to send Gilbert Arenas to Orlando. http://tinyurl.com/22qbgew
He came at me with a semi-tempting offer for Lebron
You don’t really need to do anything. I made so many moves last year when I was ahead, I almost got caught.
The problem
Is there are a lot of guys not checking.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Longhorn said he would
But I just had one kick back to me because he hadn’t responded for 10 days.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yao Ming
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I'm just throwing out names.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
career may be over...
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I still think he's a test tube baby.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
then they deserve a refund... was a defective product
or maybe a better warranty…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Joe Barry Carroll aka "Joe Barely Cares"
Look it up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
sure this shouldn't be a reply to the Haywood discussion
Yao cares… his lower body is just turning out to be Walton esque..
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Laughable.
Kobe is terribly underrated.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Antoine Rigaudeau
Suckahs are lucky he didn’t unleash.
"Nevermind, I am an idiot and I am wrong." - booyakasha
Better hurry and decide, foo'
The Denver Post’s Jim Armstrong expects Jeff Francis to make a decision on which team he will play for by early next week. The Mets, Brewers, Pirates, Nationals, Mariners and Rangers have all been linked.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Because of health,
I’m more interested in Francis.
Also, the name thing.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 17, 2010 9:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Greinke would light another PR fire!
Beyond Perez, they can have who they want. Right? No one else is untouchable.
"Every noble work is at first impossible."
You know what else is untouchable?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I was going to say Elvis so ya you are right.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
LSB must be messing up lots of double postings happening.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
LSB must be messing up lots of double postings happening
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
People must be bored on a Friday night.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I am listening to gross belching
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Bar?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Ticket top 10
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
My Peener?
/Gaga
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
It's Friday night I didn't want to hear that answer.
She creeps me the f out.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I'd hit it.
"They both have, according to scouts, "stacked minor league systems" but I just don’t see the Rays competing against the Red Sox or Yankees and I don’t think the Rangers will be able withstand the offseason wrath of Moreno. Have fun while it lasts." - by angelsownredsux
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 17, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Or she'd hit you with it
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Kinky
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
MC Hammer?
"Scared? We're not scared...We do this every day. Scared is being in a prison yard."- Michael Young
Nice.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Update
We still have no fucking clue where this guy is…..
best cameo in baseketball!!!!
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 18, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I still think...
the proposal I made a few days ago is fair. One form each group of the following :
A) Holland, Perez
B) Beltre, Scheppers, Profar
C) Erlin, Ross, Hunter, or any prospect not above.
And now with Greinke demanding a trade, that leverage the Royals had has just been evened back out.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Giving up both Holland and Hunter isn't ideal...
you are left with Greinke, C.J., Colbayshi, and than two question marks.
Feldman isn't a question mark. I guarantee he sucks
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
kinda what I was thinking... or close too it...
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I'd be ok with that
but I wouldn’t want to give up 3 pitchers
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I've turned into one of those people that I used to hate
The thought of losing any of those guys (except maybe Hunter) makes me sick to my stomach.
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 17, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Would you trade....
Greinke for Holland/Hunter, E Beltre, Erlin/Perez, Profar and then a 5th lotto type guy from the DSL, SS or A- like Miguel De Los Santos or Roman Mendez.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
You take Holland you get Erlin, You take Hunter you get Perez
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
My guess is...
…the Royals do Perez, Beltre, Profar, Hunter, and the 5th guy without hesitation.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Me too... It might be a tad heavy
might need a Greinke + Salvador Perez © or Cheslor Cuthbert (3B) to make it a little more balanced.
The lack of a good middle tier mid to upper minors position prospects makes its difficult
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Although that would HURT...
I might too.
I think, with the team having 3 of the Top 37 in a deeper than fuck draft, and the new ownership once again really pushing the international market, that the impact on the farm system would be one-two years, tops.
Too much.
Take out Beltre, insert A ball lotto ticket position prospect.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Bucket of seeds
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Gaggle of giraffes.
See, I can say random shit, too.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
That is a fuckton to give up.
Unless there’s another team like the Braves pushing equally hard to get him, I don’t see why the Rangers would have to give up that much.
what would you give up?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
what would you give up?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Ah,
The life of a (British) critic.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 17, 2010 9:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If the Yankees make an approximation of their offer for Cliff Lee, I think they'd have to
(which assumes Greinke is cereal about not playing in NY, that is).
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
makes me wonder how valuable a package with NYY would be
with Meyers© and Hosmer (1B) as KC’s best position prospects.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Montero's bat is legendarily good.
Pretty sure they’d find a way to fit him in if the Yankees offered him up. Thing is, all indications point to them not having enough confidence in Greinke to pursue him that hard, much less give up a guy like Montero. That’s why I don’t think the Yankees would be the ones driving the price up.
They went on record with that the other day, no?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
What would you give up Liam Poppins?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
OT: Watching 1960 World Series Game 7 (Tivo'd from MLB Network the other night)
Bottom of the 8th, Mel Allen:
“Pirates fans start that rhythmic hand-clapping..”
I got a chuckle out of that for some reason.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
Did you nut yet?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yes rodney
I nutted. Are you taking notes?
Would you like to know my nut’s trajectory/distance? Time of possesion? Perhaps youd like me to detail the viscousness
by oc on Dec 17, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I wouldn't mind you explaining time of possession..,.
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahaha
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Damn I missed it
I had food to be consumed.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Viscosity.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
/Matthew
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Fair enough.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
and thermal breakdown.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Athletics!
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Friday Night Jams tonight is Ryan Bingham.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
An America rejoices
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Two Americans rejoice
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Whoops, I missed the 'd'
haha
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
all the hate on lebron and the media bashing their slow start had me rooting for them
this was not an unexpected turn of events.
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yeah, it was silly to think it was going to mesh immediatley, and if not a failure.
Wade didn’t even play in the preseason. And they are about to get Miller back.
I'd root for them a lot if they didn't have Wade.
I still can’t like him.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hey LL, kiss my ass!
I just posted “YAY!” on a fairly important financial blog that I pay to be a member of.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
greinke is an interesting guy
zach greinke was born in the small Belgian town of Cleveland,OH. Greinke is the offspring of investment bankers, he decided to pursued a career breeding miniature collies. After a run-in with the SPCA. He “moved” to LA and as pure dumb luck would have it, was hired to script a selection of Dr. Seuss’ stories. He now bamboozles studios out of development money to support e-bay lladro auction habit. When not writing, raises alpacas in the foothills of Canoga Park, and pitches in the majors for the Kansas City Royals.
What the hell?
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Looking around on HH (yeah.. there is something wrong with me)
and I am starting to think that with their salary in 2011 at 132M that the Beltre offer isn’t as significant as expected..
“You commit $20 million-plus for seven years to one player, you get to a place where, automatically, you’re going to take the payroll to $150 million, and it just doesn’t give you a lot of room,” Moreno said. "We knew if we add $20 million, it was going to be red ink.
Sounds like it is a definitely beatable deal… if JD is so inclined
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Can we just get involved and drive the price up?
I love watched LAAAAAAAAAAAAAA have overpaid players.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
That might have been the Young to the Rockies, Rangers interested in Beltre
rumors from the winter meetings..
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
i just cant get too excited about Beltre if Young isnt traded
Even if the Rangers did it, young is likely a downgrade at DH + the PR issue, and Beltre is a risky commitment himself. It would be an upgrade, but hard to see it as a huge impact move.
Im just hoping the stars align to get Greinke at a fair price and then extend him at whatever it takes.
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You think Young < Guerrero next season?
I can’t decide on that one. I do know that it would benefit our team greatly to plug Young in at 2b when Kinsler goes down (rather than Blanco, for instance).
I'd be willing to be he'd throw a fit about playing second base as a backup plan.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
the more i think about it
the more i think mike young just may not be ready for that DH role yet. this is a guy we can’t even keep off the field when he’s got broken fingers. i think he’d be absolutely miserable DH’ing next year.
If we get Beltre I don't care what we do with him.
If he wouldn’t throw a hissy fit about DH’ing and playing the field on occasions to give Kinsler/Elvis/Beltre a rest I’d consider it, but I don’t think he will do anything without pitching a fit.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Maybe this is just LAA just trying to negotiate through the media
UPDATE: Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times reports that the Angels have made what the club calls a significant offer to Beltre.
There is no information on specifics with years and dollars and it’s still unclear when that offer was made.
I would not be surprised to see Beltre string out till Feb
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I don't see how he goes 'til February with already what seems to be
a lot of interest in him
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
who is "a lot of interest'?
all we have heard is that he doesn’t want to go to Oak and LAAA has made an offer but can not really do a huge deal because of their salary limit is about reached.
Has there been any other names pop up at this point?
Bos no longer needs him… Who else is there as an option? He might as well wait. At worst he has the Oakland deal.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Oakland pulled their offer....
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 17, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps I'm mistaken
and even if the Angels are just bidding against themselves or if we’re involved, either way, it ends before February
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Was the Facebook thing a fake, then?
"...I'd rather play with little men..." - LSJ, 12/16/2010
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 17, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
it doesn't seem real as there are no other reports or stories that
back it up. You’d think there would be talk about what the Rangers offer is vs what the Angels are offering, much like the Cliff Lee story. Beltre is the top FA remaining I believe.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
So, now that that I've porcessed my Cliffgrief
I find myself really wanting Pettite.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
As a 4th or 5th starter I'm fine with that.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I guess, considering nothing else changes with roto besides adding him
He’d be at least the nominal number 3, and we’d pitch CJ-Colby-Pettitte-Hunter-Dutch. Which is pretty awesome if you like L/R/L/R/L.
Him actually being the #3 guy would depend on Holland’s development, though, in that situation, and it’s entirely likely Dutch doesn’t catch up to, or eclipe Pettitte, in 2011.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
That's Petite
And while you’re at it, lets shoot for Little Miracle, ’cause those are fun.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Damn, that dude like his T's in the surname
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
Humble Pie 30 Days in a Hole is a good song.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
SHUT YOUR MOUTH
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
And he makes great chicken.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Jesus, a Chandler knee to the face has to hurt so bad.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
He collided with Nash
It seems like he didn’t get hurt too bad, though. Nash was down for a bit.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not.
I think I’m going to need him when I put forth a godfather offer for a certain OKC player.
?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
by RangersSD on Dec 17, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cmon Rangers we've been after this guy for like ever...get on this...
And with Zach pushing the issue hopefully this drives down the price a little bit from the sun, moon and stars to the sun and half a moon lol.
Did you change your name or is this a new Vicky?
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Name-change, like Esquire.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
OBP sucks
/LSJ
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Any thoughts
If we can get him by Holland + Scheppers + Erlin?
They'd probably want some position prospects in that deal
Holland+Profar+Erlin might get it done.
"By MLB.TV, we can see J. Hamilton's homer, M. Young's clutch, and N. Feliz's explosive. All about Rangers things can be our interest"
--South Korean Rangers fan
its like he uses his magic 8 ball before every game to decide if he is going to give a damn tonight
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
mmmmm
bacon
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET
x
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
by RangersSD on Dec 17, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just out of curiousity
can’t the Royals demand that he drop his partial no trade in consideration for trading him now?
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
They can want that
But why would he do it?
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously
because the Royals are not contractually required to trade him, just because he wants to be traded.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
But why would going to somewhere he doesn't want to go give him incentive?
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well, he is asking for a contract concession,
no reason the Royals shouldn’t ask for a contract concession in return.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I'm talking about from his side.
Getting traded from one place you don’t like to another you don’t like isn’t much of a deal.
It’s not really like demanding a trade means anything except other teams start coming at you harder with proposals.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
See how badly
he wants out of KC. From KCs standpoint, I still don’t see a lot of value in settling for a cheap deal just to make some guy who is soon to be an ex-teammate happy.
He wants to leave KC badly enough, I’d see if he wants to leave KC badly to start knocking names of his no trade list. Having him is still worth a few season ticket sales over not having him.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I'm sure he probably has said
that of the 15 teams he has blocked, he will loosen his stance on a subset of them.
BG is right. If he’s fed up with KC enough to demand a trade, it doesn’t make sense to accept a trade to another city where he’d be miserable (nor does it exactly make sense for said teams to want to acquire him; he’s not exactly the type of guy who is obviously adaptable to play wherever he is sent).
Go Rice Owls!
Sure, he can destroy all his
future contract value by not reporting. I suspect that’s easier to do when you are being paid near minimum than when you are being paid 13.5 million.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
If his ultimate goal is to win...
than I think people are over estimating the whole NTC thing.
(Imagine if Boston could land him. Shiiiiiiiitttttt.)
If I'm KC,
I’m definitely listening to offers from teams on his Notrade. If they make the best offer, I put that on the table to Greinke. Stay here, or go to this team on your No Trade. Your choice.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Of course
I doubt KC is directing Brian Cashman’s calls straight to voicemail. But Greinke doesn’t have to say yes.
Come to think of it, that may be what is going on, actually. KC may have a deal worked out with the Yankees, but Greinke has been saying “no… I don’t want to go to NY” So his agents are trying to force KC’s hand to make them accept a lesser offer from a team that he would agree to.
Go Rice Owls!
Actually making the high percentage shots.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
They're definitely going to blow this lead.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Just saw the Chanel commercial with Audrey Tattou...she's stunning in that commercial...
and it reminded me that Amelie how much I loved Amelie….anyone else a fan?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 17, 2010 9:52 PM CST reply actions
*Tautou
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 17, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
One time I pretended to enjoy it in high school to get with this artsy chick
But, I haven’t seen it since then, so I have no idea
It's been awhile,
but I recall liking it.
by lost in space on Dec 17, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
love the movie
great art direction and cinematography.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Amelie, Run Lola Run, and Life is Beautiful are a few of my favorites
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I love Run Lola Run.
I loved Franka Potente after that movie. It sucks that they killed her off so early in The Bourne Supremacy.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
I loved Amelie.
I enjoyed it so much that I watched Jean-Pierre Jeunet older movies like Delicatessen and The City of Lost Children. They were OK. Then I saw A Very Long Engagement, which was indeed very long. Amelie was his best movie so far.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
A Very Long Engagement was VERY long
and then I was like, “what the hell, that’s jodie foster” and the movie kept dragging
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
OT: Does Conan not come on on Fridays??
I saw the funniest bit last night featuring Clark Kent’s mom (you had to see it)
Nope...
He’s on Monday-Thursday.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 20-POINT LEAD
/irrationality.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
God, I'm tired of my brother pretending to know what he's talking about regarding sports.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
Well, according to your sig (heh)
I’d rather listen to him than you.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
by jonthefon on Dec 17, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He's saying the reason why the Mavs are so good is because they have such great chemistry
and they are good at shooting the ball.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Heh, yeah, I guess you're right.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Does he comment over at DMN?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Heh, he doesn't care that much.
He’s never intently followed sports until being hired by a sports marketing firm. Now he things he’s some fucking sports genius. Annoying.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
You have to read the post to the end.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 17, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
So
I’m sitting here re-reading the chapter of Moneyball about the 2002 draft. Greinke went #6, but as a HS pitcher, he was dismissed by Lewis (and, supposedly, Beane).
Lewis lists the A’s top 20 players (in terms of rankings) in that draft. Greinke, Hamels, Kazmir, Cain, Fielder, and B.J. Upton don’t make that list, but a bunch of scrubs do.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions
We aren't selling jeans
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
You still have to admit the A's were one of the first to use SABR when drafting.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Um... they were among the first to invent statistics to justify being cheap?
maybe.
Who knows who the first ones were – they were just the first ones to use bad math to justify drafting bad players and have a book written about it.
Go Rice Owls!
So OBP isn't important?
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
OBP in college kids with no translateable skills or long term potential?
No, it isn’t important.
Go Rice Owls!
The thing is
one of their picks was some middle infielder who had led the NCAA in slugging percentage or something…and he had a shitty OBP. Sickels pointed this out, “magic Beane” ignored it.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
And didn't they draft Zito, Mulder, Hudson, Tejada, Chavez, and others.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
TINSTAAPP
The pitcher situation is, by their own admission at the time, a bit of luck.
Tejada was international, so, no, he wasn’t drafted. He also didn’t fit the mold of a franchise that looked for plate discipline and college players.
I'm not an authority here on this.
But they were a very successful franchise for most of the 2000s, no? With not spending a whole lot on payroll, either. Yeah, people overrated Beane, but he still did a lot right for that team.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think Billy Beane was a fantastic, progressive GM who did a lot to change baseball.
And I still think he’s a good GM. But Sandy Alderson gets a lot of credit, too, and DePodesta was an important part of that front office.
Also, a lot of their ideas ended up not being strong ones, and the draft emphasized in that book sucked. It’s not fair to rip down the entire organization based on that draft, but it’s also not fair to ignore it.
I’ve never anywhere said Beane shouldn’t get a lot of credit. it’s just that Chavez is the only player you mentioned who really fits the concepts Moneyball talks about.
How much is this all really luck?
It sounds stupid but because of the huge amount of variables at various times, in both a players development and on contract terms involved, a GM’s skill really will have a VERY small affect on the true outcome of a players career.
What would be interesting would be to see a teams “big board” starting 5 years after the fact and then go back 10 years and see how much their top selections actually panned out…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Theo Epstein thinks if a GM makes the right move barely more than half the time, he's doing pretty well.
And says luck is a HUGE part of it.
Nonsense, it's the fault of the liberals.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I think there is a fair bit of luck
you keep putting yourself in position to get lucky, and that’s about all you can do. A lot of individuals breaking through, or not breaking through, comes down to luck I think. Carlos Pena becoming a monster for a few years after kicking around and becoming an NRI, Nelson Cruz finally getting it at 28, a 17th round pick like Ian Kinsler. Sometimes you just have to get lucky.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
I agree with this.
At its heart, I think the direction the A’s were going was just trying to minimize risk. It’s not that they thought high school and international players were worse, it’s that they could be even less confident in what they could produce.
minimizing risk
is a great strategy if you have some intrinsic advantage over opponents
If you have no payroll, you need to get lucky. Which means adding risk…
Go Rice Owls!
I really do compare it to betting on football games.
You just analyze the sides, generate two scenarios that you believe will happen, and determine which one you think will be more likely to happen. At least this is how I bet on football. I really think scouting and drafting is like that.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
I think the A's did, for a brief period of time, have an advantage over a lot of teams in baseball.
That was understanding better than others at how to value baseball players.
I would argue they are in a position these days to take more risks in line with JB’s argument. And I’d also anecdotally say I think they do.
Cruz finally getting it after you put him on waivers...
that may have been JD’s luckiest moment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone gets fortunate.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
YOU?
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
You should apply to the LSB Do Gooder Program.
My bad,
“…after JD put him on waivers.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hardly,
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't trying to be a grammar usage Nazi
I thought you were trying to say you should be the GM.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 18, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
but that is the entire point in all of this
there really are not “great” GMs. If luck is a huge part in it and GMs have little effect what is the major contributing factor?
Superior scouting? Payroll? Player Development staff? Advanced Metrics? Staying ahead of the “curve” in the player market value? Age vs. value? Valuation metrics/
There are many many more plausible factors in a team success that just the moves made by the GM.
It goes back to how much is a GM worth? At what point is the cap for how much you pay for a GM?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I call
bullshit on there are no great GMs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
prove it
there are way too many other variables involved to be able to say in the current design in the MLB FO structure that the GM’s decisions are going to be the most statistically significant predictor variable in a teams success over time.
It just doesn’t work mathematically in the long run. The real question is why do people think some GM’s are great and others poor? It reeks of conformation bias…Most of this will tied to teams success but that will eventually get washed out in the random variation in the longterm.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I think luck is a part of it
but some teams are better than others at scouting. Teams like the Yankees can leverage their payroll to be consistently competitive.
Think of the difference in organizations as the difference in 190 hitters and 300 hitters. The 190 hitter may be better for a game or 2, but over the long haul, the small things pay off.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
so then are you talking the difference between
a .190 hitter and a .330 hitter or a .295 and a .300 hitter?
The real value of a GM will always get diluted due to the huge set of random variables that will be associated with baseball…
The best argument would actually be the human component and the ability to take advantage of another GM. That would be the main area that would have a direct heavy influence on the longterm value of a team.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
x
there really are not "great" GMs.
Disagree. Lots of the other stuff you mentioned, like scouting, player development staff, valuation metrics, etc. are dependent on whoever the GM is. The GM is the guy responsible for finding the right scouts and the right player development guys. In fact, I think the word on Daniels is that his greatest competency is his ability to procure top notch guys around him like Levine, Servais, etc.
In fact, I think the word on Daniels is that his greatest competency is his ability to procure top notch guys around him like Levine, Servais, etc.
Agree. Surrounding yourself with smart people and willing to listen to them is one of the most underrated aspect of being a good g.m., I think. JD has been very lucky that those guys haven’t been hired away by other teams.
Sandy Alderson has done a great job of getting guys like DePodesta and Ricciardi when he got hired by the Mets.
There are great GMs.
If the best GM only nets his teams two wins better than the average GM with neutralized luck, then getting your team two wins from the FO makes you a great GM. And I’m sure the best are worth a lot more than that.
/semantics
He (and Alderson) got quite a few first-rounders right.
That 2002 draft though, was pretty mediocre after Siwsher/Blanton (first rounders) and Teahen.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
You can strike the "and Teahen"
He’s pretty much the definition of “replacement level.”
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well
It depends on how you define that. He was sent to KC as part of the Beltran deal, but the consensus was that KC was ripped off in that deal.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
FWIW
Hudson, Tejada and Chavez were all drafted on Sandy Alderson’s watch, I believe. Beane may have been assistant GM tho.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Okay, Tejada was drafted?
I assumed IFA.
Alderson doesn’t get enough credit. If you read that book, you realize how important he was, Lewis doesn’t ignore him. . . but a lot of people have formed their opinions without reading it.
I didn't really care for the book
Lewis seemed to be a victim of new convert syndrome.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
I love it.
Not for its education about the process or anything, just because I thought it was a good read with interesting characters.
Also, some nifty looks at baseball front offices.
I think it would've been more amazing to me
if I had read it before getting pretty much used to SABR analysis.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I didn't read it for a long time, though.
When it came out, I hated the A’s and thought Beane was arrogant and was annoyed by him trying to subvert baseball culture. Yeah.
When I was older, I had my baseball education for Baseball Prospectus and The Book Blog and The Hardball Times and Baseball Fever, and I just assumed Moneyball was a sabermetric text book or something. I was pleasently surprised when I finally read it and it wasn’t.
It's a great book if you're a baseball fan.
Beane was exceptional from ‘98-’06 (streak that long is not dumb luck) and has built a nice foundation going forward from 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
it is a great book
but Beane was arrogant to take part while he was currently GM and to go along with essentially using other teams recent moves as case studies in front office stupidity.
It was also prescient about Youklis.
The Beane / Moneyball story made history, had some flaws and got things right. That is how it should be.
Go Rice Owls!
It also told the story of the Great Bill James.
I liked the fact that it was a great lesson for business…
Exploit market inefficiencies!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 17, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Ground-breaking economic theory, that's for sure.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I think in hindsight
most of the great things in the A’s org happened Pre-Beane, or during the early Beane years when Alderson’s org was still mostly there.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
So basically, Beane's GM career has gone exactly as his professional baseball career went?
by Jobu. on Dec 17, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I like this analogy
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
yep
The A’s were great 2000-2004 or so because they drafted three pitchers who turned into aces. The Rangers could get lucky with Ross, Erlin, and Scheppers and that really doesn’t make JD a genius to write books about, it just makes them lucky.
By this logic, Moore in KC is a genius for having more lefty talent on his farm than in all of baseball combined.
Go Rice Owls!
also
I will never buy the logic put forth that it makes sense to draft a guy who won’t go until the 10th or later rounds in the first round. Never.
Go Rice Owls!
I finally decided to read it a month ago
And was shocked how many of the Beane-guys turned out to be incredibly unproductive players
I expected to be in awe at his drafting prowess, what gives?
Gut > Metrics
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
It is hilarious for that reason
just like #6 will be hilarious in 10 years. Wait… that is hilarious now.
Go Rice Owls!
I couldn't finish the book
Because as much as I like Michael Lewis, his tone was so freaking reverential to Beane on these genius draft picks who turned out to be mediocre at best.
There should be a sequel about how the scouts knew Beane was wrong, couldn’t believe they were working with such a jackwagon, and it inevitably showed.
They were creaming themselves in excitement
at getting all those guys in the supp round…who probably wouldn’t have gone a few rounds later either.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Yeah, the approach to FA and trades is far, far more interesting and successful than the draft.
That draft chapter is just cringe-worthy now.
Is this one of those games where we have to guess the commonality between those players?
You could’ve just as easily have said “LOL A’S WHERE YO COLLEGE KIDZ AT NOW MANG?”
Agree
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on Dec 17, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
How is it even relevant?
I’d like to have signed Cliff Lee for 2 years $60M, but it’s not realistic.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 17, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
I don’t think Beltre gets the monster deal he wants.
And if he doesn’t, that may be an option.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
It seems so very, very unlikely.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Dec 17, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
who else is after Beltre?
Texas – no unless they deal Young
LAA – kinda cash strapped
Oak – Don’t want to play there
Bos – no need anymore
Who does that leave? Unless a team does something crazy, like Hou jumping in to fill their void at 3B there really isn’t a lot of options
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
There isn't a big market for him
Angels and Rangers that’s it, and neither team seems desperate for his services… and the highest reported offer to date is the 5/65 offer from the A’s, which is now withdrawn.
Didn't he say on his Facebook that he was deciding between the Rangers and Angels?
Or was that confirmed to be bullshit?
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
It looked legit to me
Wall posts went back awhile, characterizing the major events in his career in the past year, so I doubt someone is bothering to make up those statements from him.
I don't think there was ever a 5/65 offer out there
Only one person reported that, and several others have indicated that was erroneous.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 17, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Losing a pick
is a small price to pay if you think a FA will impact your team and you have a reasonable chance to win your division.
Personally, I’m not sold on Beltre, because I’m not convinced the team isn’t better off getting a big stick like Manny or something at DH on a one year deal. If I was convinced the team was significantly better off with Beltre, which I’m not, the draft pick wouldn’t slow me down for a sec.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Matthew Perry is a nice man.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Sign this guy long term
6 years 1 billion dollars DO IT MARK!
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on Dec 17, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
On the bench?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I used to like him
from 2006-2009, where all he had to do was try and score some points.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
He can get to the basket though
which is which is what we need sometimes.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on Dec 17, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
So can the person he is guarding
Except that person will make a higher % of clutch free throws and clutch 3-pointers
True but
he does draw a lot of offensive fouls, most in the league i think and brings energy to the building there is something to be said for that.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on Dec 17, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
True but
he also has brought the mavs back on many of an occasion and is usually riding the pine in the crucial moments of the game and J KIDD is running the show.
Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland make me moist!
by Nah ha ha He He on Dec 17, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Except......when he gets the ball in junk time.....
he sprints down the court every fucking time and jacks up a shot taking about only 6 seconds off the shot clock instead of trying to help run out the clock…..sigh.
He’s not basketball smart at all.
shut up.
Dirk has played 21 minutes.
Excellent.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Man, I swung and miss on Earl Clark.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
What is worse?
I have the Bangladesh vs. Zimbobwai (5th ODI) playing in the background on ESPN3 or that I know what is going on and am actually interested in the outcome?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Sorry to hear that.
I had a root canal today, so at least you’ve got that.
by brettgardner on Dec 17, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
And, when I came to grips with it months ago, so it wasn't really that downer
My chance at having an inside position on the gig ended when the Dallas office wasn’t able to hire anyone. Getting the DC honors programs job is just not something SMU’ers do
made me rethink getting the PhD enough that I am now actively studying
for the GMAT again…. trying to break 710 now
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Sucks bro.
Sorry to hear that.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Oh, it really wasn't news
But I appreciate it
I’m starting to apply to accounting firms :) eff the law
My degree is accounting and financial management.
Accounting sucks.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Ah that is a much better plan.
Taxes and auditing were my two least favorite classes.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Pays the bills holmes
Always have a job too homie.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 18, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
So does Marriagesmashing
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
I'm getting my degree in Economics and will be looking for an accounting/management job.
I love crunching numbers and could spend years just staring at numbers on a computer screen and making them dance. I could be around people for 12 straight hours or never talk to a person for a week. I can’t wait to see if I can find an accounting job I won’t like.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
My friend just graduated with me and is an actuary,
that is all he does is crunch numbers. The certification test are insane, he says.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Bring on the tests.
I love massaging numbers and pouring over them. I would love the IRS. I just want the most boring job in the world because it is probably the most lucrative. At least I’m hoping so.
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
Really?
Might not be a bad idea. Just sucks that people who want to do good work can’t get jobs right now, especially considering how many horrendous attorneys there are running around, particularly in bankruptcy.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
One of my dilemmas
Is I don’t particularly enjoy reading or writing… (I know)
And before I doom myself to practice as a defense attorney (which, I’d enjoy but obviously has its downsides), I am tempted to try the bidness world
Criminal law
I moved from commercial litigation to criminal law. Criminal law may be looked down upon, but it sure is entertaining.
by CDorsey on Dec 18, 2010 9:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Man losing a dog is always hard.
I’m still not over the one that passed away almost 2 years ago and we got another one later that year. He was the dog I had grown up with, we got him I was 5 and he died when I was 19.
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
For some reason I've never been like this with dogs
I treat dogs like people, but when they die, I don’t really struggle with it for some reason
Lets Replace Cliffmas
With the Greinke that stole Cliffmas?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 17, 2010 11:44 PM CST reply actions
Correction
Greinke that stole Cliffmas saved Christmas
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 17, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
My penis grew three sizes that day...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 17, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Extenze?
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
BUT DOES IT WORK?
I’ve been fooled before, Trebek.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I'll take anal bum covers for $1000
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 17, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Jap anus relations
It goes deeper. People take out their frustrations with Josey on their real-life acquaintances, which propagates forward, and before you know it you’ve got more marriages in an easily-smashable state.
by Closure GT on Dec 14, 2010 9:48 AM CST
Every 35 pounds you lose you gain an inch.
Just sayin.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 18, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
So you're a believer?
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.
by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 17, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Good stuff.....I was looking for something like this a few days ago....
This is why I think they should go ahead and trade a couple of these guys to get Grienke…
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 18, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Faux hawk rates as a positive for you?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?
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