Sources: Zack Greinke dealt to Brewers
by northtexan95 on Dec 19, 2010 7:46 AM CST
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Former Cy Young Award winner Zack Greinke has been traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Sunday morning.
In the deal, the Brewers are reportedly acquiring Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar and pitching prospects Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress for the 27-year-old Greinke, 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA in 2010 after winning the 2009 Cy Young.
Royals general manager Dayton Moore had been actively shopping for major-league-ready, up-the-middle position players for Greinke.
The Brewers were expected to receive another major leaguer in the deal. Jim Breem of the blog "Bernie's Crew" reported that player to be shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt.
The Texas Rangers made what they considered to be an aggressive offer for Greinke during the winter meetings earlier this month, only to learn that they were far short of Kansas City's expectations.
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don't know what to make of this unconfirmed report
but the talent they would be getting is certainly more major league ready and at positions of identified need for the Royals, than what we were reportedly offering or for that matter, especially at ss, able to offer.
Yeah
It’s just the talent is overall a little underwhelming to be honest, especially with what they’ve been asking from everyone else. Sure it may fit their needs but the only impact player on that list is possibly Odorizzi. Sure Alcides Escobar is a poor mans Elvis, but the fact he couldn’t even get above .288 in OBP makes me really doubt if he’ll ever hit enough offensively to really be an average ML player.
Cain is a 4th OF… Jeffress has the substance abuse issues… Yeah just think they could’ve done better.
Of course
I should add that trading Betancourt is probably worth two good prospects all by himself.
If all it took was taking Betancourt
we should have been in on it. Considering how little we have done this offseason, one would think we could eat his 12 million over 2 years and release him, or turn him into a utility guy.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Agree completely
well except the part of him being a utility guy. I think a prerequisite for that is for the guy to at least be good at fielding when they can’t hit at all.
Yeah, better just to trade for him
and waive him.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
ugh, ugh, ugh
yea from a pure talent perspective we could fairly easily match that without a huge hit. Obviously, Moore is an idiot… ugh, I’ll probably hate him as much as the Royals fans hate him after this. He probably loves Escobar because of his greatly bad OBP skills.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
Let me remind you from June of last year Elvis was only a .317 OBP person
And he was hitting leadoff which makes it even worse.
and Wash not having the sense to move either in the line up....
"But I don't know, something in Philly, I don't know what it is; maybe it's those cheese sticks or sandwiches or whatever they are."
Derek Holland
Is there anything of true value ....a player or pitcher that can make the 2011 (and beyond)
team better….that can be acquired via trade or thru free agency?
No on free agency and unless an elite pitcher is being made available under the radar, our “big move” in our most important off-season ever will be….Yorvit?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Just published:
http://www.bbtia.com/the-clubhouse/2010/12/18/a-starting-pitching-market-whiteboard.html
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 19, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
So it's Josh Johnson or go home and get your fucking shine box.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
If those prospects were not enough to get Grienke
are they enough to get Johnson?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Different team needs.
If Moore was looking for simply the most amount of upside, I think the Rangers, with an upgraded version of the deal, would have had a decent shot.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Given the two pitcher....
if I had to deal some or all of them, I’d rather have Johnson…
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
*pitchers
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Though you're right, he's going to cost a lot.
More than Greinke.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
After reading Parks analysis of the prospects,
I think they should see what it would take…..I don’t know if any one of those prospects is going to be what Johnson already is…he could be an ace on this pitching staff. I could be wrong but that guy is really impressive….
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
i'm trying to figure out how this post is any different from the 50 other ones you've made on this topic
just because people aren’t engaging you in your argument doesn’t mean they’re not seeing/reading it. It just means that people don’t like to discuss ridiculous things with idiots.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Ugh, is Odoirizzi all that good even?
Im not sure he’s any better than Robbie Erlin. Beltre has alot more upside than Cain… I guarantee you it just comes down to them wanting a ML ready SS. Really, really Dayton? Your team needs all the talent it can get.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
Nope. He's a guy with a low-90s fastball and decent offspeed. Sounds like Weiland at best.
I think Cain is the most interesting piece in this whole deal, which is a shameful waste of a Cy Young pitcher.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
I mean we probably have five guys
between A and High A who have similar potential… Erlin, Font, Weiland, Thompson, Miggy, Rob Ross… ugh stupid Royals.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
I wonder if Borbon was ever on the table.
Cain in the long run might be better than Borbon, but I think they’re comparable.
That would mean, the only way the Rangers don’t match up with the Brewers’ offer is at SS.
heh. a thought. I wonder how Face would’ve felt if the Rangers traded Elvis and asked Face to move back to SS?
It would’ve been a bad move for the Rangers, but I wonder if he would’ve complained about being moved yet again.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
The Rangers should have told Young they are moving him back to SS...for the Royals.
Compared to Yuniesky Betancourt, Young actually might be a defensive upgrade for the Royals.
no little to nothing about Cain
I’ve heard that he was a kind of lucky last year, but have not looked at the numbers. I get the impression that it pretty much came down to getting guys in certain positions and the Brewers just happened to have the young SS that they’d actually trade because he had a sub .300 OBP last year… Moore is an idiot for not just looking for best talent available.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
Late bloomer. He has speed, can take a walk, and has a little pop.
I have no idea how credible his CF defense is.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
hmm, his stats do not really look all that great for a 24 yr old OF
I really dont see him being an above average major league player. Only guy who really looks like a possible above average prospect for position is Jefress and he’s got a million and one questions.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
I don't think they got a single player that profiles as an above average ML player.
It’s a toss-up as to whether Alcides or Cain develop that much.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
Look, I realize Alcides was a top-25 prospect prior to 2010.
He might be good, but it’s far from a sure thing.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
I really have a hard time seeing an above average player out of him
he wasn’t really young last year, and was just terrible.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
You know what would've made this a really interesting and entertaining situation?
If a rumor would’ve been floated that the Royals were interested in Face as a SS to be the leader of a rebuilding stage and the Rangers were willing to cover his salary.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
The good thing about this trade is that there is still a chance the Rangers could acquire Greinke at the ASB.
Milwaukee is looking moderately interesting, but I can’t see them as strong contenders to the Reds or Cards.
Good move by Melvin, BTW.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
agreed, Melvin does a good job of cashing in his chips
but even then, things could go wrong quickly, Marcum and Gallardo are injury prone.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
omg
i just can’t believe the pure crappiness of this deal. that’s one horrible fucking package of players.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
I feel sad for Royals fans.
Actually, what I mean is that the part of me that is a Royals fan is sad.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
Agreed
I pull for the Royals (Saberhagen and Brett were my favorite players for a little bit) and enjoy thinking of what their prospect studs are going to do for the team. This deal is just so underwhelming. Engel-Holland-Jurickson-Wieland would have been such a better deal for them and one I think the Rangers would’ve done.
If they held out wanting a ML ready SS, then they did the equivalent of drafting for need. You take the best deal out there and then adjust accordingly. No ML ready SS, then roll with Yuni at the 9-spot and enjoy and have fun with your stable of prospects that wull start graduating this year…
Yeah, well at least I'm housebroken.
Remember Moore has shown little ability to improve an MLB team
Just look at his OF moves this year. Traded a good COF or weakish defensive CF for a #4-#5 starter and a 23 year old in A ball who fangraphs called Okay-ish. Also trading away one of his main OBP players in the deal. And then has now signed two OF who, I’d argue, are pretty damned bad if they are going to be full time.
Frenchy and Melky both look like platoon COF to me. But I’m guessing both are on tap for 600 AB’s next year. Not a big deal for a team that isn’t likely to be contending anyway but still.
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
Great, I thought Dayton Moore had turned the ship around!
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
He just ran it into an iceberg.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
oh, and one more slip up by Jeffress
and he’s banned from baseball… for life.
yay Dayton!
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
This is going to be a fucking landslide winner
if it gets included in the GMDM Incompetence Tournament now.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
the more I look at it
the worse it gets, the only win I see is that the royals managed to rid themselves of betancourt
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
Wait till the Royals announce they're eating half of Yuni's salary!
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Since this came down to best available up-the-middle, ML-ready players, the only ways the Rangers beat this, IMO is the following.
(1) Sign Beltre, move Face to SS, trade Elvis+Borbon+Ogando+Matt Thompson.
(2) Sign Orlando Cabrera or Christian Guzman to play SS and do the trade above.
I would rather sign Cliff Lee to a guaranteed 7th year than either of those two deals.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
well
this might be good in that, if that’s the going rate for a Cy Young pitcher…
we should easily be able to get Josh Johnson now…
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Talk about the worst luck...ever!
Usually we either have one or the other, last year we didn’t have the money this yr both and yeah sol. Wow to say that some of the guys have to step up is an understatement, I have no faith in Hunter being anything then he is, which is a 4-5 pitcher and you need those. Its Holland who has got to do something or he just might find himself on the trading block. We cant just rely on CJ and Colby and hope to go anywhere. And CJ is a free agent(cries).
yeh but we may have missed out on the Chavez/Barden signings if they didn't get J.D.'s undivided attention...
"But I don't know, something in Philly, I don't know what it is; maybe it's those cheese sticks or sandwiches or whatever they are."
Derek Holland
I'm buying into Josey's
JD’s thumbs up his ass theory.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
JD was under real pressure last year, the kind of pressure you feel when you need to save your job and he made some bold moves that worked.
Now we see nothing more than a lukewarm move made for Yorvit and there’s talk that Vlad is coming back.
Does JD know the 2010 season ended?
He’s operating now like he’s still afraid to make a mistake at a time when he actually has political capital and more money to spend than he’s ever had.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Yeah, because you clearly have the mental acuity
to deduce his thought process.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Josey
Would have you traded Elvis in a Grienke deal?
Would you have given Lee the seventh year?
serious questions.
92 wins or bust!
"If Nolan Ryan hadn't been born, Larry McMurtry would have made him up." - Kevin Sherrington
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Dec 19, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
I've already said my biggest problem with the entire organization
is how they allowed themselves to be paralyzed by the Cliff Lee Saga.
We don’t know if KC demanded Tiny E so quit making excuses for JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
You should quit pretending to understand
that you can read JD’s rationale.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
That will never happen....
it’s apparently a personal thing against JD and no one will convince him otherwise….
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
What do you think about this off-season so far?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
He hasn't had a good OS
but he’s been sensible.
You make it sound as if he’s spent the past month shitting out the bad tacos he ate after the World Series.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
by jonthefon on Dec 19, 2010 9:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've addressed this question with you before.....
Lee wanted 7 years-Rangers said no: Good decision by JD
Werth, Crawford, Dunn, VMart….all overpaid: Good decision by JD
Beltre? Don’t know yet…..
Seriously….are you saying that you would have wanted to do any or all of those contracts?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
And JD's "big move" in our most important off-season ever
was to sign a journeyman catcher.
Hopefully there’s another plan.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
You didn't answer the question......
What would YOU have done differently? Sign Werth to a 7 year deal? Give VMart more money? Just what would YOU have done differently?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I've said what I would have done several times in the last 6 weeks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Martinez is older than Beltre
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
by jonthefon on Dec 19, 2010 9:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, because the off-season ends tomorrow
As you’re so fond of saying, lots of golf left to play.
"Scared? We're not scared...We do this every day. Scared is being in a prison yard."- Michael Young
So who do you target that can replace Post-Season Koufax?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
Not sure that pitcher's available
So I look at adding someone like Garza or Nolasco, which should give the Rangers a very strong front three even without the out and out #1.
Then I look at doing what I can to improve the offense- Derrek Lee, Beltre, something better than Vlad.
"Scared? We're not scared...We do this every day. Scared is being in a prison yard."- Michael Young
Ditto once you get to the playoffs anything can happen..
As CJ and Colby showed, a good pitcher can pitch like a #1 on any given day. No one is a sure thing not even that Philly staff. For now we go for depth, improve the offense and hope for the best. But its safe to say we have to get another pitcher that’s for sure, just a matter of who..
CJ and Colby are going to be worse next year.
Moreso if they don’t have a legit TORP pitching in front of them
by oc on Dec 19, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
THE biggest reason we went to the World Series
or at least got by the Tampa Rays was because of Cliff Lee.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
they scored runs off of David Price
we didn’t win those games 1-0.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
As much as I loved him here,
7 years is still to many years to pay for a 32-33 year old pitcher….not signing Lee to the 7th year was the prudent thing to do….
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 19, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
You never bother waiting for confirmation when you make negative assumptions...
Why can’t others make positive ones based on actual educated guesses?
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Flatulence.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Master Baiter
"I fully expect to lose tonight" -- LSJ
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 19, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Im buying into you being a dumbfuck
I guess JD shouldve traded Elvis…because that is probably the only way that deal gets done
and then every other FA signing wouldve been terrible
Josey Wales is stupid
This off season is turrible!!
"But I don't know, something in Philly, I don't know what it is; maybe it's those cheese sticks or sandwiches or whatever they are."
Derek Holland
this is the antithesis of the Teix trade
Instead of getting the maximum return, DM insisted on a pretty narrow set of criterion like ML ready and then specific, hard to find positions. I think this is a dumb trade for KC, especially in light of the haul JD got for Teix, because DM apparently wasn’t patient enough to go for higher upside, farther away prospects.
Ridiculous way to pull a trade
With their loaded system, I’d be worried these prospects will be frittered away for Jason Bay types, and that would be a crying shame….
Yeah, well at least I'm housebroken.
Either JD fucked up on this deal
or they simply never had the pieces that GMDM ‘wanted’ (the young ML-ready middle infield/CF players)
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
i think it has to be what GMDM and his scouts liked
also, I think they went for position over talent which is silly for a team like the royals.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
GMDM probably screwed us.
When I saw the rumor first posted last night, I grimaced reading Escobar’s name. DM was serious about wanting ML-ready up-the-middle guys, even if he had to take a hit (how significant remains to be seen) on the overall upside in the package of players he’d get in return.
Move on to Nolasco, I suppose.
I really think the Royals are just a crappy franchise.
They must have equated Elvis to Escobar. I don’t think anyone else would at this point, but they must have.
So lets say what they wanted from us was Elvis, Beltre, Scheppers and Erlin? Would you do that trade? I am pretty sure that I wouldn’t. I’m not saying I agree with the notion that Elvis and Escobar are equal that’s just what I’m thinking they must be going off of.
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
Hell to the fucking no.
Elvis should be pretty much untradeable (where ‘untradeable’ means unavailable unless for fellow super-stud.)
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Exactly Im sorry unless Elvis is a FA next yr no way I give him up for 2 yrs of Grienke..
JJ yes
King Felix, heck yes I love you Elvis but I’ll provide the plane ticket.
But though he has no lick of offense we say how huge he was in the playoffs, there are many teams out there who would kill to have him and he’s ours for 4 yrs.
What Im wondering is if maybe we shouldn’t have given Cliff that 7 yrs, gosh I know when the news came out I said hell no. Mind you now, I’m just posting this because of the ZG news and how once again we’re going to be scrapping for SP.. But who out there is going to be available for trade and able to front our rotation and take us further into the playoffs?. We’re not looking for a #3, we need a #1 or close to it.
We very well could lose CJ if he pitches even better this yr, we are really going to be hurting.
Losing on Greinke didn't make giving Cliff 7 any better of an idea.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us still being able to make a trade for Greinke at the break. I could be wrong, but I still don’t see this making Milwaukee a big player in the NL Central.
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
Believe me deep down I know 7yrs for CL was a bad idea..
I’m just reacting to this bad ZG news and yeah I know we were gonna have to trade for him and nothing is a done deal.
SP is the bane of our existence and we are so close and a couple pieces from wining it all, I just dont want a setback that’s all.
It's actually
4 years of Elvis for 2 years of Greinke most likely. Unless I’m mistaken, and Boras isn’t repping Elvis, most likely we have him for just the 4 more years anyway (you can thank the Rangers for bringing him up at the start of last year rather than a month later). Even if Elvis becomes a special player, most likely he’ll be playing the prime of his career in Yankee Pinstripes or whoever else is the highest bidder.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
damn that month early isn't looking real good right now
"But I don't know, something in Philly, I don't know what it is; maybe it's those cheese sticks or sandwiches or whatever they are."
Derek Holland
This is just fucking disgusting.
It’s going to ruin my entire day.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Rangers are who we thought they were.
Back to the middle of the pack we go…………
shut up.
z
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#royals get cain, escobar, odirizzi and ptbnl for greinke, betancourt and $2 mil
please Grink, just reject the deal. Why would you want to go to fucking milwaukee and play for the Royals of the NL
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Montero for Greinke straight up
Would have been a better return
Dayton Moore needs to get fitted for a saddle soon, because he’s gonna be ridden out of town on a rail before long
Yeah, well at least I'm housebroken.
Reading the reviews of this trade...
It sounds like Cain is more highly-regarded than any of us suspected, and we don’t have comparable traceable players in our system to him or Escobar.
If the Royals targetted those two, there is nothing we could offer to match.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Borbon?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Im not so sure its that far off, Borbon a year ago could be equally equated with Cain
if not better. Borbon now, probably not so much. But their pedigree and minor league track records suggest Borbon was certainly a better option prior to this year. Cain may pan out well, but I have a hard time seeing an all star out of him at even his best.
The Ranger's will win the AL pennant by 2013
Agreed. It's just like the Smoak situation. The Yankees just didn't have THE player the M's had targeted.
Godspeed Mike Olt.
uhm
if Dayton Moore was targeting Escobar and Cain for Zach Greinke…then he has some major fucking issues.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Moore
I don’t think he seems to know what to do with a team at the MLB level. Finally had a decent offensive team, but traded away his best second best OBP player for basically nothing. He then signed two of the weakest OBP players on the market to have big playing time in his OF.
Moore has drafted well, but I would hope he would when he pretty much is always getting a prime pick.
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
so the list available?
garza
nolasco
josh johnson?
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
.
A source with knowledge of the talks said the Brewers were indeed closing in on a trade for Kansas City ace Zack Greinke, but that the deal was not yet complete.
Greinke would also have been asked for his approval, since his no-trade clause is believed by Melvin to let him block deals to Milwaukee.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
yup
i’m pretty sure Grink is smart enough not wanting to go to Milwaukee
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
well, nevermind
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Greinke deal indeed in place. Greinke waiving no-trade for #Brewers without receiving anything in return. #Royals #MLB
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
He wants out of KC
Who wouldn’t?
What do voluntary mean?
The dude abides.....
the cockroach.
"But I don't know, something in Philly, I don't know what it is; maybe it's those cheese sticks or sandwiches or whatever they are."
Derek Holland
The Brewers just added Greinke & Marcum to go with Gallardo
and didn’t give up Prince.
Good off-season for Doug Melvin.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
I kind of figured
he’d waive his no trade for most teams. He definitely seemed ready to go anywhere but KC.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Fucking fuck.
Yarg.
OK, revisionist history time: he was a basket case who cost too much anyway. Rangers don’t need to give up the farm for two year of Zack “Flash in the Pan” Greinke.
rationale in the morning?
i like it
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 19, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
It's football sunday,
i want to be in a great mood watching games today, but this is just going to piss me off.
we need a fucking TORP. Wilson may or may not be ready, Lewis is at best a low #2, and the rest of the rotation is just as much of a question mark.
fuck
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
He did block a deal to the Nats for, guess what???
Washington was prepared to give up reliever Drew Storen and shortstop Danny Espinosa, as well as others, to Kansas City in the trade.
Targeting FTW! Mooron.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
I think if the A's can jump in with a 5/80 deal for Beltre (and everybody else in the AL West keeps their thumbs in their asses) and steal
him from the Angels. they become AL West favorites.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
seeing as they pulled their 5/$65M offer off the table
I think that’s a moot point.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
what's humorous to me is how Dayton Moore wanted a deal similar to the Teixeira deal
he got a Teixeira-type of deal, but he unfortunately (for him) got the Teixeira to the Angels deal (Kotchman, Marek) rather than the Teixeira to the Rangers deal.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Ha, no shit.
"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
The Rangers got a young SS, a closer and a lot of fodder for Tex.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."
"If the Cliff Lee Contract was really keeping me from doing other things, I had no fucking business whatsoever trying to sign him in the first place."
by Josey Wales on Dec 19, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
you're oversimplifying, but 'ok'
The Rangers got back 5 people who play baseball in exchange for Teixeira and Mahay.
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