OT: NBA...Lebron. NFL...Mike Vick.
by Longhorn on Dec 2, 2010 7:08 PM CST
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yeah, taking much less money to play with friends
such a prick!
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Holding a special to announce your decision to leave because you're a massive attention whore...
and then doing your stupid talcum taunt the first time you get back? Prick behavior.
I don’t care where Lebron James plays basketball but he should do it and not be a prick about it.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
ohhh, you're the uber-sensitive kind
gotcha.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
you have a little lebron james in you
according to you, of course.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Don't be so uber-sensitive, dude...
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
haha. nice. flustered.
gsm.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
It means he's stupid...
and the only one who finds his posts funny or amusing.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
and the degenerate troll chimes in
now this thread is complete.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
This thread isn't complete...
because there’s nothing here to start with. Besides you making a fool of yourself yet again.
Which you do in almost every other thread anyway. No need to start a new fanpost for that.
But heh, you did provide in depth thoughts like “this is going to be fun” so obviously it was needed.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
the money he raised with his "special" went to charity
not that i give a fuck, but still.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 2, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
i dont have a fucking clue.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 2, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
The guy standing behind Reggie Miller is Drew Carey
He lost an insane amount of weight. Holy Jesus.
by LiamP on Dec 2, 2010 7:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
he was a fucking marine (I think, some branch of the military)
still hard to believe that
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 2, 2010 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
It would be another >...
if Hickson could hang onto a basketball. Dang. He’s batted the ball around like four times already instead of just grabbing it.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
It makes me sad.
He’s good for the game. So is Oden. So is Blake Griffin. It’ll make me sick if Griffin comes down with another serious knee injury.
I swear I don't know what story is less interesting
1) Lebron / Cleveland.
2) Qatar World Cup
3) UT’s offensive coordinator
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Dec 2, 2010 7:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
1. Fuck 'em both
2. Qatar’s World Cup is in 2022. 2022! I’m going to forget at least 158 times that Qatar is hosting the 2022 (!) World Cup. And then in 2022, I’ll fucking look at a globe just to see where the fuck Qatar is (all i know is that it is not in America).
3. Wasn’t this Dooley’s first year as the head coach at Tennessee, and he’s already firing his OC? Give it time my man.
"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar
by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 2, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Cleveland fans suck.
Atleast be original.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 2, 2010 7:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
OT: VH-1 is showing the
SNL-Best of Christopher Walken tonight. It’s on right now but they are replaying it at 11:30…my DVR is set….
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 2, 2010 7:36 PM CST reply actions
The boxscore says Ilgauskas has 0 points...
but I swear he had a dunk on a very good LeBron pass early in the game.
Not until he's done...
making Cleveland feel bad, again.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not like he deserves it
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Lebron James...
Important playoff game: Quits on team.
Early December game against that team he quit on and the fans who had the audacity to make him feel bad because he made them feel bad: Tries really hard.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Quits on team?
are you really that stupid?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
27, 19, 10
is quitting?
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Way to try, Lebron...
The Celtics reciprocated their Game 3 humiliation with a 32 point victory in Cleveland during Game 5. Lebron James was held to 3 of 14 shooting. The Celtics clinched the series in Game 6, holding James to 8 of 21 shooting.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, i think you've quit trying
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Like the last couple of plays of his Cavs career...
was turnovers and a missed layup.
by ghostofErikThompson on Dec 2, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot how he turned the ball over a few million times
and basically stopped trying to score in the final few minutes.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
and I'm raking in on Foster.
Best p/u I’ve had all year….
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 2, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think I'll ever have an RB tandem like Chris Johnson/Arian Foster ever again.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Foster/MJD did some good damage for me this year.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 3, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take out the Clippers Franchise first.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 2, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
I call dibs for the Mavs on Griffin.
I CALLED IT FIRST!!!
"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz
What a douche
He better be careful, though…he keeps playing well, and he won’t be able to get his coach fired.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Full context
Seven great years. Loved every part. Loved every moment. From the
growth when I was an 18-year old kid to a 25-year old man and we tried
our best as a team. We tried our best to bring a championship to our
city, and just tried to play hard every night. I have the utmost
respect for this franchise. The utmost respect for these fans. And you
know, just continue the greatness for myself here in Miami and just
try to get better every day.(Want to apologize?)
I don’t want to apologize. I think … My intentions was not to hurt
anyone. My intentions was solely on kids during the whole process and
you know I always say decisions I make I live with them. … I’m
satisfied and I’m happy right now.
good for him
sucks that some have a problem with him raising money for the Boys&Girls club. I think he regrets how he said he was going to Miami (the whole talents to SB stuff), but I’m sure he won’t be the last public figure who messes up with the words they choose to express themselves.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
Yep
Good for him that he wanted to donate money to the Boys & Girls Club. Just unfortunate that he couldn’t afford to do that without doing that asinine hour long special.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
i think you gotta blame that on ESPN too
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
ESPN and Lebron are roughly equivalent on the douche scale
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 2, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
He used the Boys & Girls club as a guise to get his brand out there.
How anyone can still have any respect toward LeBron is incredible.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
A UT fan would still like LeBron. Fucking figures.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see how anyone could think that asshole didn't quit if you watched Games 5 and 6.
He dribbled out the ball while losing in the final minute. Who the fuck does that? It’s not like there was 4 seconds left. There was around a minute left. And how he just settled for outside jumpers in game 5? Absolutely pathetic. He fucking quit on the team.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
Will do.
You should probably not lump me in with TCU fans, too. I’m pretty sure I’ve been called the TCU equivalent of Horns130 by someone here, so…
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
That was me.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
I'd like to think I am more realistic about my school than he is.
Heck, I’m pretty sure I predicted TCU to lose twice this year!
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
I'm getting flamed on Twitter...
…for pointing out how stupid it is for people to be deifying Vick the Dog Killer while demonizing Lebron.
Yeah, that PBHawks guy seems like fun
I’ll bet he’d prefer OJ Simpson and Roethlisberger to ARod and LeBron, too.
"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."
Nobody is calling Vick a saint.
And nobody is saying LeBron is a dog killer. But Vick has paid his time in prison. He deserves a second chance, and he’s showing the talent we all knew he had. It’s nice to see the justice system do its job. That is, unless you want him to wear a badge on his shirt that says he’s a dog killer.
But quitting on your team is the worst thing you can do in sports. The absolute worst thing. Right up there with leaving a team on national television. And he’s paying the price for it. Yes, what Vick did was 10000000x times worse from a moral and criminal point, but that’s what makes the LeBron think all the more worse. We would expect someone like Michael Vick to pull a move like that. Not LeBron. That’s why he’s been vilified.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
To further clarify
We heard nonstop from him how Cleveland and Akron were his home. He had basically demanded that they brink in Jamison in the middle of the season, along with a few other players in the past seasons. And to leave what you call your home, your base, to join some super team?? Well, it’s like trying to hit a home run from second base.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
That makes him an arrogant and/or obtuse jackass
What Vick did was fucking evil.
To be clear, what the Vick apologists always seem to be missing is, It’s not the killing, per se, that’s so despicable. When someone compares it to deer hunting, or eating a steak, they make a bullshit analogy. The evil part is:
a. Having dogs rip themselves to excruciating pieces, to death, for funsies and giggly-wigglies.
b. But much worse, is the fact that he tortured and killed them grotesquely, sometimes slowly, and completely unnecessarily, when a simple bullet to the head would have sufficed. Keep in mind these killings mostly weren’t mercy killings AFTER a fight, but to perfectly healthy dogs that just didn’t have the fighin spirit.
C. And of course, he did this dozens of times, and it most likely occurred on his watch dozens more.
This is pure and bombastic sadism, the kind of shit serial killers start out doing. it makes you wonder what else he’d do if he felt confident he could get away with it.
Personally, I suspect most haters like myself don’t have a problem with people appreciating his playing ability. What we do have a problem with is rooting for the guy. I can appreciate the talents of Mike Tyson or K-Rod, for example, both of which have done much less than Vick, but I’ll never cheer em or hope for their success.
Yes, he’s done his time. He deserves his freedom. But what he doesn’t deserve is some kind of blank slate where we all act like it didn’t happen.
[this isn’t directed specifically at you, hornedfrog, just seemed as good a spot as any to address it]
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
by Brian Thomas on Dec 3, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Dang, dude, I can't add anything to that...
Spot on. Well stated.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." - Dave Barry
by Suicide Prince on Dec 3, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
If only
Vick had done cat fighting instead.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
See, it would have been funnier if you linked to that old Steve Martin cat fighting gag
Regarding your link, van damn, is Ted Nugent such a consistently narcissic, size large asshole. I hold a lifetime membership to the NRA, and even when he’s right about his main point wrt the feral cat pop, he’s an obnoxious, illogically sanctimonious douchenozzle.
The reality of the situation is that the feral cat population has exploded across the United States (except on my property)
Well aren’t you clever, Theodore. Nyuck nyuck. I’ll wager Ted has his canary yellow-toothed. spam-chompin, Old Grandad-swillin pals over, and they have one hell of a geedunkin, kneeslappin time plinking those cats from the sittin porch. Yee, ha-hee-hee-hee-haw! And of course there’s a bonus: they can do all this while they rock out to that fat plethora of Mr. Nugent’s hit tracks.
A good deal of feral cats do need to be put to sleep, of course. Its a problem. But Ted Nugent + the Mooney Times offer a predictably blackandwhitey, asinine solution.
I wish he would just go away.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
by Brian Thomas on Dec 4, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Demonizing either
seems fairly silly to me.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Exactly!
People are praising his play, but they are still pissed off about what he did.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
AJM has set up this elaborate situation in which [intelligent] people are equating what Lebron did to what Vick did.
It’s almost impressive. Now, all he needs to do is find someone who actually thinks that.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
He did his best to try and take my argument
Out of context earlier. Seems to be a lawyer thing.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 10:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I find it laughable
that people want to equate people’s personal lives with their athletic lives. If you think he’s a good football player, you automatically support killing dogs. If you cheer for the Eagles, you hate dogs. If you hate Vick and root against the Eagles, you love dogs. I would bet that a large number of the athletes we support have some personal baggage we wouldn’t approve of. That’s why its personal…
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 3, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I enjoy watching Michael Vick play, and I think what he did to the dogs was unforgivable.
According to AJM, my point of view is impossible.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
I'm with you
and that’s what I was addressing. It is actually possible to separate a person’s private life from their athletic accomplishments…
"Calmer than you are dude"
I’m only slightly smarter than a sea sponge
by brettgardner on Sep 10, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Dec 3, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
What Leyritz did
was worse than those 2.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
No
Having one drunk driver hit another drunk driver and accidentally killing them
Is not worse than purposefully hanging dogs by nooses
Yes,
killing a human is much worse than killing whole kennels full of dogs.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Accidentally killing someone isn't.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
If you're driving drunk, it's not an accident.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
No, it's not.
If you operate a motor vehicle while intoxicated, and you kill someone, that’s not an accident. You may not have meant to kill someone, but to classify it as an accident would imply that the vehicle operator had no control over the situation. The driver, in fact, did have control; he could have not gotten behind the wheel drunk.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Who's fault was the wreck?
From what ive read it was the deceased persons fault. Leyritz may have been legally intoxicated (which is complete bullshit IMO) but he didn’t break any traffic laws that led to the death of this lady as far as I can tell.
That, I don't know.
I was speaking more in general terms. Obviously cannot absolve the other person if they were drunk.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Do you text and drive? Do you drive fatigued?
If you do this one day and kill someone, would you consider it a purposeful act?
I’m not saying the person shouldn’t be held accountable, but it’s accidental nonetheless. The mindset is pure accident; drunk drivers are idiots, but they never consider that they will actually kill someone. It’s wilful ignorance, at worst
[My opinion changes when you get into the car with like a .2 or greater]
If I killed someone while texting/driving or driving drunk, I would expect to be treated as a criminal.
Because I chose to put myself in that situation.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
Personally
I think we as a society should have a zero tolerance attitude towards DWI. The reason folks drive while drunk is because they think it’s not that big of a deal.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
You didn't answer his question
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
by Brian Thomas on Dec 3, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
The answer
is no, I don’t text and drive, and i don’t talk on the cell phone and drive without a hands free. i understand that I’m driving a ton and a half vehicle and develop more momentum than a bullet.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Sorry, meant the 2nd question
If you do this one day and kill someone, would you consider it a purposeful act?
Does this fall equally under your zero tolerance policy?
Because I think it should. But most of society views it drastically different.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
Did he forget
he was drinking before he jumped behind the wheel?
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
Leyritz chose to put himself in the position to kill by getting behind the wheel drunk.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
That's entirely different than a purposeful act nonetheless... and I think we've had this conversation before
Driving exhausted, driving while texting, driving while putting on your tie are also examples where you are putting yourself in drunk-driving situations
But if you kill someone while you’re texting, it’s still an accident
And still
a bigger deal than killing a kennel full of dogs.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
If we are talking about vehicular manslaughter, which is what the Leyritz issue that started all this was
It has been statistically proven that reaction time while texting is twice as slow as a person legally drunk, and also significantly slower if reading email while driving than driving over the limit.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
Statistically proven?
Looks like one study.
In any case, I don’t really care. I wouldn’t advocate lower punishment for someone who killed while texting or emailing than I would for someone who had been drinking. In all cases you take the very small risk that you’ll kill someone and you know that going in. No sympathy from me.
Come on
You posed a question in a manner which, in my opinion, clearly implied what you thought the answer was. Jobu said:
Driving exhausted, driving while texting, driving while putting on your tie are also examples where you are putting yourself in drunk-driving situations
To which you replied:
Why is it you assume that the impairment is the same in all of those situations?
I gave you statistical evidence that proved contrary to your implied insistence that DUI’s are a more egregious and dangerous act. If you agree that the standards should be the same, then cool, we agree. But it also means you are a good deal closer to not disputing one of Jobu’s assertions above. Obviously the DUI punishment debate is a separate disagreement.
And I don’t just base my inference on this fanpost. You and I have had several discussions on this in the past, and you have always seemed to hold the over the BAC driving issue as unequivocally, feloniously negligent, while viewing most of all the other manners of irresponsible driving, such as texting, reading email, driving way over the speed limit, driving on no sleep, etc. as much less irresponsible and consequently, less deserving of criminal punishment.
If I’m reading you wrong, sorry. But that’s the place you seem to be coming from.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
by Brian Thomas on Dec 4, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't meant to imply nearly as much as you seem to believe.
I asked why he assumed the impairment was the same. That doesn’t mean I know that they aren’t, or even that I believe they aren’t. You showed me (for some reason) Google instead of actually citing something, but whatever. I guess some evidence is better than nothing. I don’t have any reason to doubt the study I saw.
I think all dangerous behavior done while driving is deserving of punishment. I don’t actually care how much punishment is given for any or all of them; that’s up to the people who vote on such things. But I suppose the main point is that people driving negligently or (more likely) recklessly and killing people is of far more social consequence than a sadist who tortures and kills animals.
And it’s certainly no argument against strict punishment for DUI (specifically deaths related to them) to say “have you ever driven while drowsy/texting/email?” For one, society presently hasn’t chosen to punish those things as severely, and second, it has no bearing on whether DUI itself is worthy of harsh punishment.
by brettgardner on Dec 4, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Another way to look at it
The marginal societal cost of one more person driving with a .10 BAC 4-5 times in his life
<<<<<<<
The marginal societal cost of someone leading a drug fighting ring and purposefully hanging dogs.
The former will likely never cause any harm by his actions. The latter is absolutely insisting on doing substantial harm, and I am doubtful that his criminal activities stop at dog-fighting.
Well since there's no end to the speculation if you start down that path, I think your last is not a very sound point.
Also, that’s a strange way of looking at the costs. Strict laws for DUI, which can easily kill innocent people, will decrease drunk driving. Strict laws for dog fighting, which will never kill any people, will decrease dog fighting. I can’t imagine it would have any impact on any other form of crime.
We have to judge costs in the aggregate. Having fewer drunk drivers is way more beneficial to society than having less dog fights. I don’t really even understand the argument to the contrary.
by brettgardner on Dec 4, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree to all that
And my former point wasn’t that sound, you’re right.
I strayed from my original argument, which is merely that I think what Vick did is way more morally blameworthy than what Leiritz did.
But, I agree with DUI punishments as they are for the reasons you stated. I do think employers are a little too harsh reacting to DUI’s on a person’s record. The fact that my friend can’t get a job as a CPS investigator bc of a DUI in college when CPS is severely understaffed seems dumb to me.
I disagree with the direction of the arrows.
We could have dogfighting become a major ESPN sport across the entire country and it would still be better for society than one more drunk driver.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
It's weird to have this opinion
The law certainly doesn’t only punish people that have intent. And I don’t think many people would argue that the law is a reflection of morality.
Well, I'd say some of the most basic laws are founded upon morality.
Don’t kill, steal, lie, corrupt.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 3, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
My main point
Is just that from a societal standpoint, I’m more concerned about the guy who is alright with beating dogs and finds enjoyment in watching the dogs hang by a noose to death
than I am about the guy who has too many beers and accidentally kills someone. I’m referring to someone who occasionally goes out with a .09-.13 BAC when they drive. The serial drunk driver who flirts with 1.5’s every night is obviously another story.
Not me.
And I’m an absolute dog lover. But recklessly killing people is of far more concern to me than a sadistic fuck.
The fact that you are OK
with folks legally drunk driving is more horrifying to me than if my next door neighbor was running a dog fighting ring.
"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington
When did I say I'm ok with it?
I hardly drink at all, and especially so with keys in my pocket.
We’re talking about the lesser of evils, here.
That's despicable.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
Naw, I still think people think I'm expressing the opinion that driving drunk is not bad
I am staunchly against drinking and driving. I led Shattered Dreams at my high school and only regret one instance where I think I probably would have failed a breathalyser.
I’m a mens rea guy
So you should recognize that intent isn't necessary.
What’s wrong with holding someone accountable for criminal negligence or recklessness?
Because the punishment should fit the crime
Punishment is a deterrent, but we’ve made clear that is not its only purpose. Rehabilitation and liberty are still important, obviously…
You're all noobs
All of you.
Not mediocre. Right about average
Nah
NY is for n00bs.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Hey Arod. You're fucking out. And we're fucking in.
"If we do that," Lee says, "it would be hard to walk away."
by Brian Thomas on Dec 3, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Dang I didn't know we had a thread for this or I woulda been here last night
Anyways, loved LeBron destroying the Cavs.
Boy, the media sure hates LeBron. They couldn’t talk enough shit about him or show enough racist signs aimed at him, or play up the “poor abused cleveland” angle enough.
And loved the TNT announcers trashing him constantly, particularly douchebag Barkley. "LeBron leaving was telling all his Cleveland teammates “you guys suck”".
Oh yeah well, good thing that’s true, then.
Fuck all that shit. Screw Cleveland.
I loved the Cavs getting stomped. Serves you right moron Gilbert.
It looked like the dream team playing lithuania out there. Dwayne and LeBron both are just, specimens. Beasts.
And as I keep mentioning, Miami a whole 1.5 games back of 5th place Lakers right now.
Ahh, I just reveled in the media getting pwned.
People who write off Miami, keep it up.
You would like Miami.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 4, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
He decided to become a Miami 'fan'.
So expect further sparkling basketball opinions.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
"I've had people walk out on me before, but not when I was being so charming."
I can't wait.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 4, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Racist.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
/Rangers100
Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’
you are skip bayless jr.
"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban
I also like
How when the Cowboys lose, it’s because they’re gutless, undisciplined, losers, even scum. It’s because they personally, are failures, and they lost because they didn’t try hard enough.
I wonder why none of that applied to the Cleveland players last night in the media’s eyes. No, they are downtrodden heroes.
Do you watch the Spanish Sports channel?
Every analyst said they were disappointed with how Cleveland came with no passion or energy, and how they were friendly with Lebron.
The difference between the Cavs and Cowboys is the Cowboys actually have talent, so their losing isn’t excused. You’re an interesting bandwagon fan.
Full of crap.
Barkley is nothing compared to the analysts who played Lebron as a villian, he simply did his job and for the most part, played no favorites. What else was Lebron saying by leaving Cleveland? He likes to live in South Beach more?
They stomped a rebuilding team without a current all-star. “People who write off Miami”, this game’s supposed to prove they’re now the best team in the NBA? They still have no inside presence (they played a team with none as well, so it wasn’t exposed), they still can’t play together, and they still can’t beat decent teams. Good luck in the playoofs.
And what racism? Cleveland doesn’t have black players as well?
Anyone see the Jordan commercial ripping Lebron?
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
by Samuel_L_Bronkowitz on Dec 3, 2010 6:51 PM CST reply actions
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