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Tuesday a.m. Rangers things

As we continue to wait for the Cliff Lee situation to resolve itself...

Jeff Wilson writes that the Rangers are continuing to pursue Lee, while keeping other irons in the fire...

T.R. Sullivan says that the hot items for the Rangers are the pursuit of Lee and Zack Greinke...

Gil Lebreton says Jon Daniels is playing the quiet game with the Lee negotiations, and not letting the rumors affect him...

The Rangers are saying they expect Josh Hamilton to be in left field next year, with Julio Borbon in center.

Ron Washington says that Borbon gained a lot of mental toughness last season.

Evan Grant believes that committing to Borbon in center is a problem, in part because it means less playing time for David Murphy.

Richard Durrett looks at the possible components to a Greinke trade.

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Might as well get this out of the way

Beware of another Josey hijacking. /Borbon

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Why am I not surprised?

Him shitting all over threads is a tradition.

by vfn on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

We're better off without you ventura.

Lots of good, somewhat rational talk of the Great Game with lots of other somesuch.

Stay in that corner and keep stamping your feet.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like Josey much more than Sharky.

Sharky brings nothing to the table.
Now, if he had some patented catchphrases and some random capitalization, I might reconsider.

"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan

by Flynnyrd on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally disagree.

At least Sharky is good for a chuckle from time to time.

by LiamP on Dec 7, 2010 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Josey can be side-splitting when he gets on a roll.

Well, actually that probably has more to do with people’s reaction to his rolls than him.

When FuturePants is there, hilarity can ensue.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

FPants is the easiest poster to draw offsides or

to commit an illegal motion penalty.

He’s the Flozell Adams of LSB and another dumb fucking Aggie.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Aww how cute

He’s trying to get FP off again

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

FP brings the wood.

I respect him for that.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

TWSS

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Dang it I wanted good nature conversation after my finals!

Not Josey’s defections all over my fun.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

How'd you do?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I got out my boom stick on one of them and the other was an infield single.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Infield singles?

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Grats!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinda..

Off topic. But what is going on with Kahlil Greene?

by Scott5 on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Retired presumably

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

His internal cpu gave off a BSOD.

Tried to reboot him, failed, and now he’s in dry storage with a few other robots.

"It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard."
- Nolan Ryan

by Flynnyrd on Dec 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

DOS Attack!!!!!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Shoot me
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Source:#nats not in on lee. Looking at other pitching options.

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

yep
Hearing more confirmation that there is nothing to Cliff Lee and the #Nats. 6 minutes ago via Mobile Web Retweeted by 6 people

AdamKilgoreWP
Adam Kilgore

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

if you go to mizzou,

that’s a top 5 journalism program, for sure.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Or more lawyers

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Or more Futures

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Shuddup Ty!

/Ticket

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Solomon Grundy want pants too!

"Scared? We're not scared...We do this every day. Scared is being in a prison yard."- Michael Young

by RCCook on Dec 7, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

futures are all taking a fucking beating

thanks to made up unemployment rates. I really fucking hate those things.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

what up neffy?

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

what's the good word?

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

oh you mean together?

because TDT has been getting drunk quite often of late

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

I was hammered at the Loon Friday and got this girl to steal a scarf.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

The Loon

is a fucking nightmare. Or it’s Heaven. Regardless, I have been hammered the fuck drunk in that place.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Beware

of the “heavy pour.”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the worst advice anyone has ever given to me.

If anything, I’m not wary of a heavy pour, rather I am actively pursuing it.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you ask her why I have to drink

beers out of cans every time I go there? Get a keg, geez.

by booyakasha on Dec 7, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

They're just classin' up the place.

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Dec 7, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh great, well now I feel left out.

Jerks.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I know, right?

Damn these Present Pants…

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

At least you got Present Pants

I’m stuck in past pants…

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

No crackers Gromit!

We’ve forgotten the crackers!

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

fuck that.

you’re invited also.

I think we’re planning a LSB Jaguars Day

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I seem to remember a quote from you?

Something along the lines of “In hindsight, going to the strip club at 3 pm was a bad idea.”

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i have definitely said that.

the point still remains, we need to do an LSB day at Jaguars

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh hells to the yes.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't go, you're married

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

trust me on this,

the coolest guys to go to the strip club with are married dudes.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

tagdonttweet and I

were thinking about fanposting a LSB saturday afternoon at Jaguars…. didnt know if AJM would get pissed about that or not.

by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 7, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

After JeffWooWoo

How could he.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Screw you guys.

I’m going to be in Houston Saturday.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I know somebody in Houston.

He won’t be there this Saturday though.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That just means Aquawife would think I was going to play golf or something ...

Yes, baby, they have night golf!

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Keeper League Retreat, FTW

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Many many moons ago

I lived somewhere that had a lighted par three course that stayed open all night on weekends. I used to golf all night on occasion

by BEW on Dec 7, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'M ONE FINAL AWAY FROM GRADUATION GUYS!

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't Fail

Van Wilder

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Duly noted.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy shit, this.
…of the 15.1 million persons unemployed in November, 41.9 percent had been jobless for 27 weeks or more. Oh and that 15.1 million number doesn’t include 1.3 million discouraged workers either.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Many of those unemployed people

are not actually looking for employment. some are in semi-retirement, some are homemakers, some are students.

some of that data is very inflated.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

that's my point.

those fucktards inflating the numbers fuck with the market in ways they don’t even comprehend.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd say there can easily be 15.1 million people on

unemployment. both my sisters lost their jobs, and a friend of mine lost his job and joined the military to be able to support his family. is this referring to a specific area?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I was going to say,

generally, these numbers are low if anything.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Anecdotal evidence about three people absolutely proves they can be 15.1 million unemployed.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

If one person knows three unemployed people,

and there are 300 million people in the US, then there could be 900 million unemployed.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering there are roughly 310,000,000 people in US.....

Census Bureau says

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

hehz

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

By definition....

A person not actively looking for employment are not considered to be unemployed. They do not inflate the statistics. Therefore students not seeking employment, homemakers not seeking employer do not count in the unemployment numbers. You can check out BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) Local Area Unemployment Statistic methodology or the Community Population Survey to find out more about the unemployment statistics.

by Philar on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, discouraged workers

But BLS calls it something different.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Gold.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Meanie

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

They do need more.

Can’t fill up their stadium. I heard something on the ticket that they only have 22,000 living alumni. Don’t know if thats true. But either way they are pathetic.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Grant had a tweet about conflicting reports.

Basically saying “team officials” saying the Nats are not offering 7 years, no way.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Good

I get to keep my left nut (and Ryin can keep both of his left nuts)

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I almost offered up my whole dick to try and one up you guys but I decided against it.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Much better at running into walls

By far.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

I hate to say this, but Adam is very wrong.

there’s exactly one sentence in Grant’s article about Murphy not getting to play. mostly its about Hamilton’s defense (which is NOT better in CF than Borbon, damnit) and is NOT better than his defense in left either, because when compared to the Adam Dunn’s of the world, Hamilton stands out as far as range goes. And he’ll get better with more experience in LF.

Borbon might outrun his mistakes in reads, but he’s tons faster than Hamilton, so as he gets better with reads he’ll get even better defensively.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

But Borbon has a weak arm, and Hamilton makes diving catches

therefore Hamilton is clearly the better defender….

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

x
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#A’s, #RedSox, others on Willingham. Price said to be “absurd.” A’s also on DLee. Could offer more $$$ than #Padres, #Diamondbacks #MLB

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

I have the death sentence on 12 systems

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

MUHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

-Chewbaca

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Never tell me the odds!

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

And I thought Bengie Nolina smelled bad...on the outside!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Molina

flarn

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

(body falls)

Apology accepted, Rich Harden.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

with all this Borbon starting in CF

I can’t wait for someone to come and crap all over this thread…

If Lee has told Ranger teammates that 7 years would get it done, then what the hell is the problem?!?!?!? Will he be this good in years 6 and 7? Maybe not. But THEY’RE PAYING HIM FOR HOW GOOD HE’LL BE FOR THE NEXT 3-5 YEARS!!! If they win a World Series, just 1, in the next 3 or 4 years, I’m not gonna give two shits about they albatross Lee contract in 2018. I just won’t. Lose 100 games because that deal has hamstrung the team? Who gives a shit..we have a World Series!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

Yesterday's morning thread was quite active, Officer Bob. When there's nearly 800 comments, not everybody is going to agree.

I did notice this nugget about CF in the DMN…."Washington said he hoped Borbon would spend time this winter working on his “decision-making.”

EGrant flat out says, “Hamilton is a better defender than Borbon.”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait.

Hamilton, one of the best pure baseball players I have ever seen play, is better than Borbon?

Well, fuck me.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy like a fox it is

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Hamilton is like a unicorn

Rare blend of characteristics. Speed/power/average/defense, etc. Rarest of the rare. Much like a unicorn. He is going to be the best player on the field in any baseball game he plays outside of the cornfield in Iowa.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you just say you want to cornhole Hamilton?

You mallard with a head cold.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i dont even get any credit here

tear

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

me and KoK came up with this "Hamilton is a unicorn" idea on twitter

when he tweeted me something about a uniform blog and I thought it said “unicorn blog.” Which would be fucking cool..

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

thanks! lol

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I just lost a bet.

TO MYSELF.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

EGrant flat out says, "Hamilton is a better defender than Borbon."

So what? I love Grant, but he’s not a scout. He’s not even a saber type analyst.

I put that about where I put Jamey Newberg’s prospect rankings: not on my radar at all.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair,

I think Grant’s opinion here reflects what the Rangers think. I think they feel that Hamilton’s defense in total (not just range) is similar to Borbon’s.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

In Game 2 v Tampa, they stuck Judy in LF.

That tells you everything about what the Rangers think.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

It tells you he doesn't have a strong enough arm to keep guys like Crawford and Upton from going 1st to 3rd

In a playoff series you put your best players out there.

During the regular season his arm is not going to keep you from making the playoffs. Neither is his bat especially when its stapled to the bottom of the lineup.

Borbon is a fine, almost perfect fit for the rangers in the regular season. Young, cheap, great defense, and no offensive expectations. Ride him for the marathon regular season and then if you need to put a stud like hamilton out there in a 5 game series in the playoffs so be it.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree with all of this

And since we know the team wants to use Borbon in CF everyday next year, that tells us everything the Rangers think about Borbon

by Desert Ranger on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

"Great defense" ?

Bullshit.

Wash saying Judy needs to “spend time working on his decision-making” also tells everybody what he thinks of his intelligence between the lines.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Having a below average arm

does not mean you are not great defensively.

Tracking down a ball on the run that most CF’ers have to lay out for, or pull up on, is a step in the right direction towards great defense

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Work on his decision making

For all we know he could mean being more assertive and calling for the ball more.

Julio is a young player so hes going to have some brain fart moments but he is still able to track down balls in the alleys, roam CF, and make a ton of plays that other CFers don’t make. That to me is great defense. A few bonehead plays over the course of a 162 game season doesn’t mean hes shit.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I see very few Tiny E decision-making problems. He may lose focus

but he’s very smart between the lines.

The silver-lining with Judy might be maturity but I’ve never seen a dumber major league player in my life.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Ive seen plenty of Elvis' brainfarts

They generally occur when he makes a great play to get to a ball but instead of holding onto the ball and eating it he tries to be a hero and airmails the 1B or something.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

kid's got a degree

I wouldn’t worry about him long term – he might not have the ‘instincts’ for the game that others who have played longer or without any other distractions, like classes. But I see no reason why he can’t develop that part of his game with veteraniness like Warsh and Petit around

by CO Ranger on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

kid's got a degree?

WTF? How many retards are walking around with degrees? The answer is a shit-ton. A degree has no relevance on whether he’s smart or not.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Degree & college are on your LSB backchannel RSS feed, aren't they?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

all bs aside

Did anyone else do a double-take at Warsh calling on a player to get smarter

I love the man, but on The Hot Stove show last night, he said the Rangers were focussed on winning the NL West in 2011 – that ought to be a challenge!

by CO Ranger on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Lol

Solid gold, our man Warsh.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

He seemed to be saying,

“Thanks Vlad, but you’re not coming back” last nite.

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah... I don't know what that said.

I guess to me it screamed, “Murphy is still not healthy” because if you are going to play Hamilton in CF, then you play Murphy in LF.

I guess that the team felt that not messing with Hamilton in CF during the playoffs was the way to go. More of a “gut” and comfort thing than a scouting thing. Borbon’s range is much much better than Hamilton’s. and I adore Hamilton. The difference is so large that I, from home, watching on TV, can tell the difference. And I’m no scout.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

x

You’re probably right about that – I’d guess that the Rangers think kind of what we do – less range, more arm.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh shit. You've done it now.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Theres also a very real chance that EGrant doesn't know scouting

I’m not saying I do either.

But if you are going to go on stats then you basically have to think Borbon is better in CF then Hamilton.

What do voluntary mean?

The dude abides.....

by JKolar on Dec 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

See above

Grant is on crack with his statement .

Proof by assertion is not proof. Its Assertion. and proof by authority isn’t proof either. now, if Grant was a scout, I might listen to his authoritative statement. but a) he’s not. and b) its contradicted by empirical evidence.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

To your Lee comments,

AbsoFuckingLutLee.

You offer Lee 7 years if that means he stays in Texas. As much as I love the job that JD and Co. have done here, if we don’t offer him 7 and he goes to New York for 6 (or 7), I will loathe him forever.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

she would never say that

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

+2x4 strapped to ass sideways

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

haha.

lovely image, that is

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct.

"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08

by Lisa W on Dec 7, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

she said it while rolling her eyes

in a sarcastic manner

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Why?

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I think if you're willing to go 6,

and admit it, you would offer Lee 6 years, you just pony up and go 7.

Lee is a game-changer. If we’re serious about having a “window” of success, you give a player like Cliff Lee what he asks for. Otherwise, you’re just another average team.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Then would you go 8?

9?

"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington

by FirebatM3 on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

sure why not

with a clause that the contract drastically reduces and he’s our next pitching coach

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Like LSJ just posted below,

it’s 6 guaranteed, with a vesting 7th.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

twss

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

She wouldn't say that unless she was talking to another girl.

And I thought the rules was she had to say it to the opposite sex.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

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by iorange555 on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm like Bruce Willis in Die Hard

I don’t follow the fucking rules.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It seems that if these negotiations go on long enough,

most of LSB will slowly come on board with an 8 or 9 year plan. Good grief.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Ten years,

including TV PBP duties on days he’s not pitching and a partial GM role in year 8, with full-time GM duties by year 10.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

But he has to smile once per outing.

His smile makes it all worth it.

/GoET

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

And he has to get that elbow thingy surgically removed

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Negotiable.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's throw in a full-trade clause

Where he can dispose of under-contract Rangers when he’s tired of them

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd offer him a vesting 7th year.

With the intention of not letting it vest.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

im actually with you

i would rather see them trade for greinke and extend him than lee for 7 guaranteed

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

7 years

would redefine the meaning of Cliffmas.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

On the 7th year of Cliffmas my true love gave to me

Likely a really expensive player a couple years past his prime.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't be silLEE

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee turns 33 next August.

And would be 40 at the end of a 7 year contract.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy

Many werent comfortable offering 6, but now we should just up it to 7 simply to get the deal done

And like others have said, with that logic, might as well go to 8…where does it end?

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

6

didn’t he say yesterday that he’d stay in Texas for 6 years ?

by CO Ranger on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Rumor is he told them 6 would get it done..

Seems like the yanks and Rangers are playing chicken with each other, and at some point an offer is going to be made by either club to get things moving. Or most likely his agent is still not accepting offers and wanting the circus to continue calling it a fact finding mission cause really, they’ve got to know by now what its going to take.

by Vicky on Dec 7, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that the Rangers have been trying to get him to say

“yes, if the money is the same, I’ll go with the Rangers over the Yankees.”

then, all the Rangers have to do is match the Yankees offer.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

and Lee may not be this good in 5 or 6 years

but I bet he’s still pretty damn good…

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

What if you don't have a World Series?

You can’t let the memory of a magical 2010 post-season cloud the realities of the Lee situation. Is paying Lee $23M per over 6/7 years a good idea? Seven years is a long time to be held hostage by a monster deal. The Rangers have new ownership, but they aren’t the Yankees. They can’t eat an albatross and still have flexibility.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If it keeps this club in contention for a World Series

then “flexibility” can eat a bag of dicks. I want a championship. One. I would rather have 1 World Series win and some awful years than 10 years of 90 win seasons and flaming out in the ALCS.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

ok

then you can have a thousand “ALDS winner” banners and I’ll take a World Series parade.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

That's really not how it works.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a very valid point.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Monte Carlo!

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

They tried it once

but Hammer went broke and Young fell off the face of the earth. Physics wins again!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Hehz.

But I’m truly gifted in the matters of rhythm (yeah ya gotta give me that).

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

In reality its how a lot of fans think

Including myself. What the fuck is the point of playing the game? So you can analyze stats to the 10 millionth degree. I get SABR analysis has its place. But at the end of the day win the fucking game and win the fucking world series. I’ll deal with bad contracts while I’m looking at my banner.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't do SABR analysis

And you are assuming Lee brings you a banner. You have to look at everything in the equation, and salary and flexibility are important variables. Don’t forget, the Rangers built a team for sustainability. Throwing 7 years and ~$23M per at one pitcher could affect that.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

So you'd rather cash in prospects and watch ZG leave for free agency in two years?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

I would rather do that than watch Lee receive 7 years. Of course, it’s not that black and white. What if Greinke signed a deal?

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

he won't

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, how can you say Greinke won't stay....

When it’s already known that he doesn’t like the large market attention. This seems like his kind of place. Hell, he signed an extension with Kansas City….

The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.

Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT

by Drew062682 on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

What does Perez really project at?

Is there anyone in the Rangers farm system that could become as good as Lewis or Wilson in 4 years, let alone Cliff Lee?

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure

Perez has a high ceiling; could end up as a #2 on a first-division team. The organization isnt going to stop acquiring talent. That talent can mature and/or be used to acquire major league ready talent. The Rangers are going to keep the cycle going, regardless of what Cliff Lee decides.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Right, but that talent that is acquired isn't going to arrive in the majors for some time.

I’ve said before, people don’t realize how loaded the Rangers ownership actually is. Between the major players, there’s probably $10 to 12 billion in personal wealth they have.

That’s not to say they will use all of their money, but to think they couldn’t support a $120-$130 million payroll in two years is crazy to me.

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots of in-house talent to sign

The team salary could balloon to those amounts without additional FA signings.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not a strong market

and the available funds were diverted to the parent club. 2011 is a much better year, and the Rangers will have money to spend. They could be big players in J2 ’11.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Great!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Big fish big?

Or just bigger than before?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

That post-season should have given them a ton of bank.

They got 8 sell-outs at prices 2.5 times the normal cost per ticket.

That’s the equivalent to 16-20 sell-outs (20 × 50K = 1 million people) during the regular season.

Then there’s the new tv deal.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Postseason money doesn't just go to the team

There have been reports that teams barely break even on postseason games its the subsequent seasons ticket sales that are the true prize of going to the playoffs

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I know post-season $$$ doesn't just go to the team

but I’ve read just the opposite and that teams rake it in from several revenue streams in post-season.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Im sure they do make some money

But I doubt its the windfall you make it out to be. Unless you have some concrete numbers that show we made millions upon millions of dollars then you know nothing about how the playoffs helped us out fioniancially

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

You're assuming the owners will be content to lose money forever because they have money.

They didn’t get rich by that line of thinking.

They’re money allows them to do things for the team that others may not be able to do, but their revenue stream will still dictate expenditures.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

this is a business

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Holland

I predict big things from that kid. He’s got a big arm and has pretty decent control His problems have mostly been mental. (well, emotional really) He’s the kind of guy that Pitching coaches salivate about because they know that experience will turn him into a monster. and he’s been getting that experience.

My crystal ball says he wins 15 games with an ERA in the 3’s next year.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

i hope you are right....we needs big things for dutch oven

i predict 13 wins ERA in the low 4’s

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I pray you're right

But I’ll put 10k on the over on ERA and under on Wins.

The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.

Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT

by Drew062682 on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I disagree

but this seems like a post that might wind up in someone’s signature in hindsight.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

ZG signing a deal changes everything and at age 27 might

be worth investing in over the next 7 years.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel the opposite about the two scenarios.

If you’re building with young players after the Lee era you don’t need as much financial flexibility, but financial flexibility can’t buy you all those top prospects back after the Greinke era.

If you’re willing to spend money on the FA market to improve the team’s chances of contending now—-which, given the moves made last year, I think you have to be—-then you’re almost definitely going to be “overpaying” regardless of who you get, but who else is out there to spend that money on that improves those chances more than Lee?

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers should pursue Lee

But it reaches a point where grossly overpaying becomes a bad decision. The Rangers obviously agree or they would have offered Lee an ARod deal.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm just worried that they've already committed enough to a next-few-years plan that letting him get away---

and to the Yankees—-might be an even worse decision than burdening the team with a terrible contract in years 5 and 6. (If it was anyone but the Yankees or someone else in the West, on the other hand…)

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers built this city

before Lee arrived, and they will continue with the plan when/if he is wearing pinstripes. JD and his posse will keep the talent coming in.

by jparks77 on Dec 7, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It's very annoying that the Rangers best near-future years

could easily end up being the next two or three years, before the Yankees are too old, and so would end up going against a resurgent Yankees club rolling out Lee and Sabathia and all their other hundred-million-dollar guys.

Why couldn’t this have all happened five years ago?

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, we don't have anybody other than

Moreland aged 24-28 that looks like they can contribute significantly in The Show.

Not talking pitchers but every day players.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It needs to happen otherwise our

Window may shut after 2011 or 2012.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

im not sold on moreland

at all.

but then again you think he is going to hit 30 HR

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I don't think he's gonna hit 30 HRs

but I do think he could become Pete O’Brien.

18-22 HRs with an .800 OPS.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

you said you thought he would hit 30 in the postseason

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically

I believe he said 25, although that is still higher than his estimate above

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe I said 25 in the post-season

and that prediction is subject to change until the season begins.

18-22 HRs is the O’Brien Range and I’ll stick with that until further notice / Opening Day.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Realizing that Pete O'Brien

never hit 25 bombs in The Show and that’s who Moreland reminds me of…OB started playing every day when he was 25 years old, struggled for a year and then hit his stride.

When OB was 26-30 years old he’d generally hit 18-23 HRs with an .800 OPS every year.

That’s where I see Moreland.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Every year?

Pete’s OPS was over .800 twice. but discouting his rookie year, he spent 4 of his 5 years in texas between .796 and .854 before tailing to .760 (in a VERY down year for offense in 1988).

Then went to Cleveland and then Seattle where he played like utter shit for 4.5 years before retiring.

I think Moreland is a) going to hit better than O’Brien did, and b) not play in as harsh a hitting environment than O’Brien did.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Pete O'Brien OPS between

ages 26-30 was between .760 and .854…you can do the average…and we’ll see about Moreland after age 30.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He gets traded

for Julio Franco???

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

except Kinsler, and Borbon, and Murphy, and Moreland, and Davis, and Ramirez, and Teagarden, and Francoeur (though he’s probably gone), and since you picked 28 instead of 29, you miss Cruz and Hamilton.

How about we list Rangers position players under 30:
C: Ramirez and Teagarden (Kevin Richardson too, but he really doesn’t count)
1B: Davis and Moreland (though Moreland spent much more time in RF in the minors).
2B: Kinsler and Blanco.
3B: Cantu (assuming we keep him)
SS: Elvis
LF: Hamilton and Murphy
CF: Borbon, Gentry and Boggs (not sure if we still have Gentry and Boggs)
RF: Cruz and Franceour

ok, this is basically the whole roster:
Easier to list guys 30 or older: Treanor, Molina, Torrealba, Young, and Guerrero.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinsler is borderline (turns 29 in June), Tiny E turns 23

and there’s nobody else that can be counted on other than Moreland (who is iffy) in the critical 24-28 age group.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Muprhy is the same baseball age as Kinsler

and the only reason to make 24-28 critical is to exclude Cruz and Hamilton.

this is NOT an old roster. Catcher and third base are the only “old” positions on it.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not an old roster but it sure

as hell isn’t young.

With no new additions, I can’t see us being a serious contender after 2012.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

we will make additions in the coming years

thats why this argument is pointless

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Who?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Posted too soon

who do you want right now that fits your criteria?

Guys age 24-28 don’t hit FA unless they are superstuds who got to the majors at 21 or 22 years old and they generally come with a absurd pricetag.

Who from the current squad are you willing to trade to get these 24-28 year olds.

The guys you are trading for have to be either in the majors already or in AAA ready for the majors to be expected to make significant contributions by 2012 so who do you target and how do we acquire them.

You obviously have these grand ideas that no other baseball mind has to how do we pull off these ingenious plans of yours?

And theres no “force trade” button so any deal has to be conceivable for both sides not like your Rowand + 2 prospects and 14 million for nothing you “just threw out there” yesterday

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The really good 24-28 year olds

are players you grow organically or via trade.

That’s the real big problem with Salty, Teagarden, Boggs, Judy Bedshitter and Davis not taking steps forward as major league players.

It doesn’t matter who I want. The problem is that we don’t have enough of those players meaning our window is going to shut sooner than expected.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

As ive pointed out Borbon is a fine CFer for us

“This Thing” won 90 games last year with him in CF so we are more than capable of winning with him. Once we get to the postseason then we roll with our best players and if Borbon isn’t one of those so be it…..we are in the playoffs. Hes still young so he has plenty of potential for improvement. His offense after being moved to the 9 hole was more than adequate. Is there room for improvement….absofuckinglutely.

Given our current status of guys under team control we won’t need anyone to play a everyday role for at least two years so your anxiousness to find someone right now is unwarranted. We could easily draft someone next summer who makes the majors in 18 months like Smoak.

Or we could use our farm system to acquire young players.

So until you can come up with a actual proposal for a certain player then your whole “we need to get players who are 24-28” needs to stop

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Judy Bedshitter

had 4 months where his OPS was below .580 last year and his manager just called him out in the media for being a dumbass.

When I need somebody to lead the the Latino Post-Season Cha Cha Gang, wear silly goggles or untuck his shirt and put his hat on backwards…Judy Bedshitter is my first choice.

Until further notice I have him slotted in the CAN’T PLAY section of the roster, just like this team did when the post-season began.

My thoughts about needing more players who are 24-28 will stop when we get those players.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

We won 90 last season games with Julio as our CFer

If you can use this logic with VMart in Boston then I get to use it with Julio here.

And like ive challenged you to do I would like you to come up with names of these players 24-28 years old we should target.

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Thinking 90 wins is gonna get it done

again is fairly naive.

Whether or not I name prospects is separate from the fact that we currently don’t have enough of those players.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Excuse me?

Angels won AL West in 2004 with 92 wins.

Angels won in 2005 with 95 wins.
A’s won in 2006 with 93 wins.
Angels won in 2007 with 94 wins.
Angels won in 2008 with 100 wins.
Angels won in 2009 with 97 wins.

What the hell are you talking about?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at the 2nd place team

No 2nd place team has had more than 89 wins since the As in 2004.

I guess I should have worded it differently. 90 wins would have won the division every year since 2004

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not wording it any differently, Steve.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

and how many wins did the second place team in the west have?

well, I’ll tell you:

2009: 87
2008: 79
2007: 88
2006: 89
2005: 88
2004: 91

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

So is BigSteve saying that 90 wins

would be better than every other second place team since 2004?

I guess I’m lost….I’m talking about being good enought to win the AL West and 90 wins usually isn’t gonna be good enough.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Im saying

If the Angels had only had 90 wins in either 2005, 2007, 2008, or 2009 or the A’s in 2006, they still would have been AL West champions.

Whether you win the division by 1 game with 90 wins or 20 games with 100 wins it doesn’t matter.

90 got us to the playoffs this year and 90 would have gotten each of the past 5 division champions to the postseason

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

90 wins would have given us 2nd place

every year from 2003-2009.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Considering we still controll all but 1 of these guys (having traded Salty). plus we have Olt and hey, Davis Stoneburner and Max Ramirez and Vinny DiFAzio and Chris McGuinness and Clark Murphy and Jared Hoying and Jacob Skole and you know… prospects.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont know.....its not like the FO is going to stop acquiring talent

you make it seem like we’re never going to sign another player or make another trade ever again

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The way to acquire those players

would be via trade.

That means giving up a Nelson Cruz or maybe CJ Wilson at the deadline if we’re out of the race. I don’t like either one of those scenarios.

JD’s in a tough spot but he made this bed.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll disagree w/ you and leave it at that

JD’s in a good spot because he acquired good talent and now we are good……he’ll continue to do what he has done but w/ great owners now.

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

huh?
i’ll disagree w/ you and leave it at that

Bizarro Josey!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

2012!!!?!?

We’ve already made changes for 2011.

we’ll probably have to tweak things more before 2012. Maybe replace Cruz, or Kinsler, or Moreland, or a replacement at 3rd. who knows what the future holds.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The World is ending in 2012

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

After (12/12/2012)

Better get on whatever plane John Cusack is on.

by booyakasha on Dec 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for ruining that movie for me.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

After. December.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rangers will be up 3-0

in the World Series.

Tech will be undefeated and clearly the class of college football 6 or 7 and 0.

Jesus shows up and ends this mutha.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Boggs signed with Milwaukee

I predict big things for him in the NL. Hope he does well.

"there's no money in triples" - CJ, 3.23.10

by Oddibee on Dec 7, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Rowland Smith is 28.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

NEVER!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm talking every day players, not pitchers.

We options with young pitcing. Not necessarily solutions (won’t know until they get here) but options.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoops,

I thought we passed his birthday. 6 more weeks…

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Built This City on Rock & Roll!

Yeah, sing that all day in your head…haha.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

They were better with Marty Balin.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw Jefferson Starship in Dallas

(at the Dallas Convention Center with .38 Special in ’81)…very blah.

Didn’t help that Grace Slick (40+ at the time) was wearing some kind of slinky camisole.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I said, Jason Parks ain't got no SOOOULLLL

Joey Matches is rock and roll.
Parks may dig on the Starship song,
But Matches will diss him all night long.

by Josh Garoon on Dec 7, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

Joey is a rap/R&B guy…it just doesn’t work for me.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I don't like that kind of music

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Never heard them.

Living Colour-like?

Que sera, sera.

by scoop16 on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Love Bad Brains!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw them once in concert

Can’t remember if it was in Denver or Dallas. Great moshing ensued.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually that is 4

"Ooooh....I want some fucking pancakes!" son of willamos2

by Parman on Dec 7, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

YAY!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

O man

The idea more people have heard of Living Colour than Bad Brains saddens me.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just used to it.

That’s the story for a ton of the music I like.

One of my favorite lines from Non-Prophets:

“I go to Fugazi shows requesting Minor Threat songs.”

by Josh Garoon on Dec 7, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It was so...hard.

One of the most aggressive pieces of music I’d heard by then, probably 13 or 14.

Just very other at the time.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I found them later.

The one thing about them that still bothers me: the acute homophobia.

by Josh Garoon on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I am enjoying it

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like an argument against doing both.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not assuming that Lee brings a banner

I’m assuming NO Lee will result in no banner. I know that sounds like a caveman sentence, but there’s a difference (at least in my head).

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

go crazy?

don’t mind if i do!

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Go crazy?

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Bob Loblaw

And I support this message.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Fortunately for all of us

The Rangers FO is sensible and won’t just give Cliff Lee a blank check like you all are suggesting.

This fawning over Cliff Lee is epic. There is a limit where his contract will cripple this franchise for a very, very long time.

To look at his contract blindly because it will give the Rangers a marginally better chance in the next two years is exactly the kind of poor business decision I hope the Rangers brass isn’t in the habit of making.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We're already well into sacrificing the future for the present,

including with the Lee trade itself.

This feels the point where wussying out now leaves you stuck in an annoying no-man’s land.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Ryin A eloquently called it "stuck with dick."

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Trading prospects from a loaded farm system

And signing guys to ridiculous contract extensions are two different things.

Even with the “sacrificing the future for the present” the Rangers did over the past year, they still have one of the stronger farm systems in baseball. It was shrewd baseball management. And don’t forget a lot of that had to do with bankruptcy issues.

This isn’t the same thing.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

And if we win 2 World Series titles in that time

Is it worth it?

I agree with Bob’s earlier statement, just because we sign him doesn’t mean we win a World Series, but I think not resigning him guarantees NOT winning one.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

And what if the Rangers don't?

And believe me, they likely won’t. The Rangers even if they sign Cliff Lee won’t be the best team in the AL on paper. They still won’t be likely to win a World Series as you all seem to suggest.

Are you prepared to watch Cliff Lee’s contract affect the Rangers ability to sign any other free agents and possibly sign guys like Andrus/Perez/Feliz to extensions when the time comes? At a time where Cliff Lee has faded from ace like status and the Rangers have declined to mediocrity and they need to sign cornerstone guys to remain competitive. This is what you are asking for if you sign Cliff Lee for 7-8-9 years.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

How do you know this?

How do you know that if the Rangers go 7/150 that they can’t sign Andrus, Hamilton, Feliz, etc.?

Are you Chuck Greenberg’s, Ray Davis’s, or Bob Simpson’s accountant? Just cause payroll goes up now, doesn’t mean it will have to affect us in the future. You don’t know.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

What do you think is more likely?

Your theory that Rangers will have oodles of money to continue giving big contracts to potential cornerstone players like Andrus/Perez/Feliz?

Or my theory that the Rangers will be stretched too thin committing huge dollars to Cliff Lee and possibly huge/big dollars on Josh Hamilton (likely), CJ Wilson (possible), Colby Lewis (less likely) and Nelson Cruz (possible)?

Those huge dollars are going to really, really hurt in those final couple of years. Faced with a decision to sign a guy and marginally improve this clubs chances of winning a World Series but financially strap the club 5-7 years down the road and saving the money to spend on those guys down the road, I go with the latter.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I think new ownership will try to do both

Without Cliff Lee we probably don’t win in Tampa. It very likely goes 7 without him in the ALCS – and who knows then.

So subtract Cliff Lee but keep everyone else and we’re a first round bounce.

We lost the WS not because of our pitching, but we got there because of our pitching. I would love to have a true #1, TORP in Cliff Lee. Resign key offensive cogs, and replace starters if they choose to take the large contracts with guys like Perez, Scheppers, Ross, and smart FA signings of our own (ie Lewis). Plus I think the org has a plan for transitioning someone like Feliz to the rotation in the next couple of years.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Thats just my opinion

You by no means have to agree. But I think we forget how small we are in terms of overall Rangers fans (including fringe and bandwagon).

Signing Lee would be a huge PR lift, huge numbers for walk ups, etc. Not signing him would be a PR nightmare – especially if the Rangers miss the playoffs in 2011.

If that happens, 2012 is going to be the most epic backlash among fans.

You and I – we’re at the ballpark regardless.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I get what you're saying but I'm not a good example.

I haven’t been to a Rangers home game in 9 years. I live in Minnesota. Wish I were there for this year. Breaks my heart.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

do you think the rangers are suddenly the yankees?

just because owners have money, that does not mean they spend money in the club

equally just because owners have a high net worth that does not mean the money is avaliable to be spent for the sports team they own.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I think they'll spend money

You can’t say they won’t, I can’t prove they will.

Just my opinion. I don’t think it will be Yankees-esqe, but I think it will be smarter than the last time our owners tried to be smarter.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Spending habits

I think it is wise to consider the non-Yankees/Red Sox spending habits when formulating these hypothesis. If you do, you’ll see that what you are suggesting is extremely unlikely.

Everyone here needs to be reasonable. If the Rangers sign Cliff Lee 6+ years it is going to really hurt at the back end of the deal. Each extra year will very likely dramatically affect the club in those final years.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Then they need to stop wasting time and move on..

Because I have to guess that the 4 yrs rumor was a joke, no way will someone of his caliber except 4yrs. And I know the Rangers aren’t still smoking weed in San Fran to low ball him with that which is almost bordering on insulting…

In a perfect world CL signs a 5 yrs contract(ita weary of anything more) which could very well happen but I’m betting a 6 yr will have to come into play somehow.

If they have no intention of doing so, move the heck on sign a DH and trade for SP cause you’re not getting anyone on his level in FA. Which is why we’re in this delimma right now, the Royals want the moon and CL is going to be pricey. Sigh its safe to say I dont envy JD right now.

by Vicky on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Not the Yankees but they should be like the Angels & Phillies.

The Great Chuckie G has mentioned both of those teams when asked about payroll in the past.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

i could live w/ us spending like those 2 teams

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't mind walking away from CLee as long as

we end up getting something and “something” doesn’t mean Carl Fucking Pavano.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

What about Mark Prior?

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

And Kerry Wood!

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

You keep saying that phrase

“cripple this franchise”

and I’m wondering if this isn’t the fault of Hicks and A-Rod’s contract.

When we signed A-Rod, we thought we were going to contend, and when we didn’t, and it turned out that Hicks had levereged the team against other investments, things got ugly.

Lee’s contract isn’t of this magnitude. And we’ve all seen franchises that looked like they were never going to do anything become powerhouses. Pittsburg Steelers in the 70’s. SF 49ers of the 80’s. The Twins. Heck, even the Yankees have had down spells.

The point is that if we can leverage this set of young talent into a couple more division crowns and a world series championship maybe we can turn the DFW area into a baseball hub, and start drawing 3 million a year instead of just 2 million. Plus get those luxury boxes filled. The Ballpark is a revenue machine, if there are enough fans. And DFW loves winners. So, winning now will mean money in the future. Enough to cover Lee’s contract and more.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you up to a point

The front office has better information than I do. They know that too much money spent for too long of a time will hurt the franchise. But they also know that Cliff Lee will most likely help this franchise. He is the best pitcher available to the Rangers, currently on the Rangers roster, and the debate becmes how much money, how many years.

There becomes a point, when it becomes too much money at too many years. My personal line is $20 million per year for six years. But I don’t have the information the management has. If they are competitive in making offers, I can’t ask for much more. If somebody overpays, assuming it is not the Rangers, then I am not unhappy. But if they sign Cliff Lee, I just wanted to know where’s the party!

by Philar on Dec 7, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If this team were where it was in 2008

then HELL NO to all of this. But you only have so many shots at a title.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

rec

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

+ a lot

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this

But I also think that if you sign Lee, you MUST go and get Greinke as well. I think you either stick with the plan of building from within and don’t overpay an aging pitcher, or you go balls to the wall and put out a team that SHOULD make it to the World Series again. A rotation fronted by Lee and Greinke would be pretty incredible the next couple of years. And it’s weird to me, with as few Greinke’s as this franchise has ever had, how some people are saying no way to trading Beltre and/or Profar when there’s a better than 50% chance that neither one of them is ever close to an All Star…..

The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.

Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT

by Drew062682 on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I love this point

how some people are saying no way to trading Beltre and/or Profar when there’s a better than 50% chance that neither one of them is ever close to an All Star…..

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

You need to look no further than a certain trade that went down this week

to understand the trepidation many feel about letting go of well thought-of prospects.

by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 7, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You think that signing Cliff Lee guarantees a championship?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

nothing guarantees a championship,

but doesn’t it help put us in a better position to win one than without him?

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

But at what cost?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

apparently 7 years

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we agree that there is a cost that is too much?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I wouldn't go past 6.

I’m willing to do a 7th year vesting option fakeout, but that’s it.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I really feel like this is the rationale for a lot of people.

Or something similar enough anyways.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it is simpler than that

they think we have no shot without Cliff Lee, which is wrong, and they think that we are virtually guaranteed of winning one with Cliff Lee, which is wrong

Either way they are being stupid

You have to look at the value of the contract and just decide where and when it gets ridiculous…

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It does however

lets say a few of the prospects pan out and the rangers keep drafting/scouting well. Fast forward to 2016. We have been perennial contenders but never won it all. We need to add a big bat to put us over the top at the trading deadline. Alas, we dont have the flexibility because we have a 39 y/o pitcher making 23 million who is our 3rd or 4th starter.

"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales

by Michael Cave on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

a lot of moving parts there

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

You can look at teams for examples of this happening.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The things you're talking about help you do that and do it consistently.

If the options are “win 1 WS title or don’t” everyone would obviously choose to win except maybe LSJ.

But if the options are “put yourself in position to win multiple titles or burn the farm for a better chance to win just 1” then the answer should be the former. You can’t guarantee yourself one at any point, so you do what you can to make the team better over the long term.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I firmly believe that the playoffs are largely a crapshoot, and if we are really good for 5+ years, we have a better chance of winning a WS than by going all in for 2 years

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Because they are.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

So maximize the number of times you go to the playoffs

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

One gigantic fuckin problem

Cliff Lee doesnt guarantee a WS, despite the fact that numerous people here seem to think it does

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

hey totally OT question

do you know anyone w/ the texas student govt Lucchese Boots?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, thats a bit OT

and no….

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

If you take that too far,

you turn into the Caps fan I argued with a couple of years ago who told me the Stars got fleeced in the Iginla/Nieuwendyk trade…

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

We Won a Cup!

And that was the worst thing we could do /Tom Hicks

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

PERFECT FUCKING EXAMPLE!!!!!

Iginla is a total freaking bad ass. But he wasn’t there back in the day and Nieuwy was. The Stars were on the brink of being a GREAT team, so they went all in. Do you think they’d rather trade those banners for Iginla now? FUCK NO! They won it all, baby!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

that should say

“..he wasn’t ready to be there back in the day and Nieuwy was…”

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Just win, baby!

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

To a lesser degree

It happened with the Rangers too in 98. What would this place have been like when we trade Tatis and Darren Oliver for Stottlemyre and Clayton.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

All I took away from that is that you want to eat a bag of dicks to keep this team in contention.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd do it, too

“Dine on these penises with me.”
—Tyrone Biggums

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The Giants aren't the Yankees either but they swallowed a big ass

7 year contract with Zito (and a few other bad deals) yet still won a World Series. They also have a very, very bright future.

To get that stud starter at the most important time in our history we’re either going to have to roll the dice on Lee and keep our prospects….OR…deal prospects for somebody like Greinke who might leave in two years.

Wouldn’t it be easier to ride out Lee’s contract than cash in prospects and watch ZG go to free agency after two years?

I wouldn’t go 7 years but I would go 6/138.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Annnnnnnnd

another JW theory proven true a single example

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with JW.

plus we’ve already had the benefit of seeing Lee perform on our team, which is something the Giants didnt have with Zito.

by cw123 on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

$23 over 6 was what I predicted he would resign with us for,

so damn straight it’s a good idea!

Personally, I don’t think we should guarantee a 7th.

by blakethegr8 on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Took the words out my mouth..

Was about to post with all the rumors and statements, I’m starting to think our best chance at keeping Cliff Lee unless the Yanks go crazy is 23mil/6yrs regardless of what they do. They will surely beat it but I dont see it being by so much that he doesn’t come back to TX if you factor in taxes and cost of living.

by Vicky on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

rec
Seven years is a long time to be held hostage by a monster deal.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm in the trade David Murphy camp. For the right deal, of course.

Has to have decent value, right? Seems like there are a lot of teams running bad OF’ers out there?

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

I thought that early on in the process

But I also thought they might like Harrison, given his history with the Braves.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

He's untouchable, for me

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Dec 7, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

With Josh & Cruz going down 30 games a year...I think Murphy is more

valuable to us than he would be as a trade-chip.

He’s a really good fit in Texas.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

he really is a good fit.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

supergay

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I donno

I’m up and down about the iorangeness

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

x

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

this fucking guy has always creeped me out.

i don’t know what it is, but fuck this guy

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

he's quite simply one of the best actors of our generation

call me out on it, go ahead – any movie he’s been in seems like a HORRIBLE flick, but they’re always quite watch-able

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

check it

Get Smart, the Rundown, Southland Tales, Walking Tall, The Scorpion King, The Mummy Returns…he carried those movies

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Get Smart is awful,

Walking Tall is meh, The Scorpion King blows more ass than The Mummy Returns (and The Mummy for that matter).

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Matt Millen

is miffed by this. There is no best player on the 09 Lions.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Megatron is a bad dude.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that Jahvid Best?

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Calvin Johnson.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Calvin Johnson

Best is a rookie this year out of Cal

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I just didn't know who Megatron was

I’m not familiar with all nicknames

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

i wasn't trying to be an ass our anything,

just letting you know that this was Best’s first year on the lions

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I gotcha

my reply was more a comment on how it’s impossible to keep track of all of JW’s goofy nicnknames for everyon

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Megatron is not a JW Original.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, you are not that clever

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Sadly

It’s a Roy Williams Joint.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Dec 7, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah.

I had kinda wondered about it for a while, since I don’t remember ever hearing it when he was at GT.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

ok what about the tooth fairy

for the record never saw it….but still.

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Our generation's Citizen Kane

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

god help us all

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

such a great show.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

DOOM!

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

if this is not sarcasm,

i don’t know what to say

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

another shitty movie

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

He has made some allright movies

the Rundown and Walking Tall were fairly entertaining.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

all right how?

because he beats some ass and some shit blows up?

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Exactly. I would only watch a movie like that to be entertained from someone kicking ass. Not for the storyline. In my opinion, those movies are entertaining enough to kill 2 hours on a boring Saturday afternoon.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

He was funny in Be Cool

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

words I thought I’d never hear

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

sir

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

let us not speak of "dazzling his ass"

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a clubhouse favorite.

A real glue guy. Nah, but all cliches aside, I agree here. David’s great as a fourth OF

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

every team needs one,

and we have one of, if not the, best in the league, me thinks

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Against RHP's he is

His inability to play CF and hit LHP’s can bring up flexibility issues, though.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

CF is a non-issue

This club has Hamilton and Borbon already.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Not as it relates to Murphy

LSJ points out Murphy’s inability to play CF as an issue. The Rangers already have 2 major league caliber CF. Murphy doesn’t need to have the ability to play CF because if an injury happens he won’t be playing here anyways. Murphy would play a corner and one of Hamilton/Borbon would start in center.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Hamilton really shouldn't be playing there though

And Borbon is very left-handed.

Murphy really isn’t an “ideal” 4th OF on this team. An ideal 4th OF would be somebody like Cody Ross.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

don't mention that name here ever again

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You are missing the point

This club doesn’t have a better option at CF. Cody Ross doesn’t fix that problem. Either Hamilton or Borbon will be in center and both of them are good defensively in that position. If Murphy is pressed into regular action, it will be as a COF.

His left-handedness is very good point. Cody Ross would be a better fit. He is basically a mirror-David Murphy. If the Rangers can reasonably attain a player like that, I’ll change my stance.

Until that happens, David Murphy is the best option this team has.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

i agree with this statement

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I think David Murphy will have a lot more value to this club if he stays

He probably won’t bring back much in return given his lack of full-time experience and age.

He’s an excellent 4th outfielder, probably one of the best in the league. He can replace any one of the Rangers injury prone outfielders in a pinch.

I’m fully on the keep Murphy bandwagon.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm I dont know...

Could help in a Grienke trade and perhaps we hold unto one of our top prospects. But with our fragile supastars aka Kinsler, Cruz and Hamilton, not sure that is a good idea.

Murph came up huge for us this yr, what if Borbon doesn’t pan out and has to hit the bench again, we’re gonna need his bat. Especially since we don’t even have our DH figured out.

by Vicky on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

If you are committed to Borbon

(who I still think is a downgrade over Murphy when you factor Offense and Defense) you may as well see if you can get value for Murphy, and look for a platoon RH OF to instead of a platoon LH OF.

Looking at starters around the league, there is no doubt that Murphy has the ability to be an everyday player in this league, and better to get trade value for him than to have him sit on the bench.

"I wanted to go out there and punch Julio" - Ron Washington

by DJCahill on Dec 7, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Imagine that? A CF that can hit RH....whodathunkit?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

REC!

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

To DH Lee? I hope they do that.
Ken_Rosenthal #A’s, #RedSox, others on Willingham. Price said to be “absurd.” A’s also on DLee. Could offer more $$$ than #Padres, #Diamondbacks #MLB

by Judy'sLewinsky on Dec 7, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

You know what's really annoying?

When you’re eating an apple and the fucking apple breaks in two.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

Well, to break it down, sure,

but not to break it in half. At least in the case of an apple.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This is true.

Disregard what I said.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Under-rated.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a sick fuck

because I thought first, “Lindsey Lohan?”

get it? under-ate?

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I donno

I like playing “halfsies” using my food with other people; although granted, that’d be a tough game to play with an apple – might only get to two or three breaks

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

You pad it up with nonsense all the time.

Go get high and relax, pothead.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

My blog: That's baseball for you

by iorange555 on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Pot doesn't have anything to do with this

Fucking threads are turning into chatrooms because all of us think everybody needs to know what’s on our mind

fucking stay on target man, I’m tired of trying to load a page with 1000 fucking comments and half of them are about which things that make you go hmmmmmmm

by oc on Dec 7, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I want to hear about the apple

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I finished it anyways

But I got juice all over my fingers, which was annoying because I’ve been typing.

Wound up cleaning my keyboard, although that should probably be done every so often anyway.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I have also found apple eating to be a nuisance while at the computer

I’m glad I asked about the apple. I don’t feel so alone in the world anymore.

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

*snicker*
Wound up cleaning my keyboard, although that should probably be done every so often anyway.

Especially if you clean your kitchen.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't fucking read it if you don't like it.

People will post whatever the fuck they want whether you like it or not.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

YOU'RE SO ENLIGHTENING

really.. you guys should go frolic through a meadow, eat apples under trees and recount your favorite novels

really.. you guys should go frolic through a meadow, eat apples under trees and recount your favorite novelsfucking looking for baseball information in a morning thread and I get the get-along game trying to act tough

by oc on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Get a tampon

Works better than a pad.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm guessing that is what the fuck she said

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

i think you need to eat better apples

heh

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

"Honey Crisp" apples are the best apples on the planet...a little expensive and seasonal...but they're fucking the Zeus of Apples.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

And they were created at my alma mater. Delicious apples.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I used to be on the Gala-train...but I'm telling you PADMY...they're unstoppable.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

i had never heard of em till iwent to DC (or at least not had any good ones)

so good.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Vlad The Impaler has a career OPS of 1007 at Oakland's ballpark.

16/46 in 197 plate appearances.

Hmmmmm.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

Vlad the Impaler was Dracula.

No shit.

And your nicknames suck with lacking originality.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

without the Ticketisms his posts would rival Mike E's for brevity.

When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.

by t ball on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm more picturing his posts with the Capitalized Phrases replaced with more generic desciptions.

It might be even more annoying, really:

I said I wouldn’t count on Cruz to hit lefties at the highest level of baseball next year because he had never hit lefties before at the major league level.

“The trend of people quoting my posts and going out of their way to try to prove me wrong continues.” Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually,

Vlad the Impaler is MY nickname for him. I’ve been calling him that since he was a rookie in Montreal.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He was also less productive than Jack Cust in 2009

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Uh, no thanks
According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, the representatives for Paul Konerko are requesting a $15 million annual salary.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

agreed

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Buster Olney heard this

Bmac thinking of going to A’s.

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

which parts of him?

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Seems like an idea fit

Oakland’s a fly ball park, and they’re used to having pitchers who can’t stay healthy.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I am insane now, Chuck.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

See you at the Crossroads BMac

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm 100% behind Borbon starting in CF

I think he had a bit of a sophomore slump, but he’ll bounce back in a big way (not huge, mind you…but big)

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet,

but the Mariners got Peguero for $2.9M.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

We heartily cussed about this yesterday

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent.

Was it in the beastly overnight thread?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't remember

KH/JL broke the news.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I missed out on that, so

shit fuck dammit asscan poop dick ass balls.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Did you call the hypothetical hardware store and buy a theoretical chain saw?

by Keynes on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't hold it all in.

tell us how you REALLY feel.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So what's with the A's spending money all the sudden?

Was it just a rumor that the MLB told them and the Marlins to start spending?

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Just offer Cliff 10 years...

and then plant drugs on him after year 5 or 6..

by cmkelly29 on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

The Perfect Plan!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

sounds like the title to some stupid ass movie

(not to take away from the point of this brilliant plan though)

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

ding ding ding

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

That does sound like a perfect plan...
Two brothers hatch a plan to improve their dreary and very different sex lives by becoming independent filmmakers.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

/KC and the Sunshine band bassist

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Starring Tim Allen

"There's really no way of knowing... Sometimes when I see their big eyes looking up from my lap I think, that's definitely a homeless guy in a fur coat." Betty White on SNL

by Pocket Ninja on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Does it Star the Rock?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Good enough to overcome the spareness of Bill Paxton?

The stars of Apollo 13 and Tombstone pulled it off, which says a lot for those guys.

"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."

by Hard8 on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't remember Bill Paxton being in the movie until you mentioned it, so I guess so, yeah.

BTW: Best Bill Paxton movie? “Frailty”. (I don’t consider either of the above a “Bill Paxton Movie” per se)

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You take that back!

Nobody talks to Private Hudson like that and lives!

Ripley: How long after we’re declared overdue can we expect a rescue?
Hicks: [pause] Seventeen days.
Hudson: Seventeen days? Hey man, I don’t wanna rain on your parade, but we’re not gonna last seventeen hours! Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they’re gonna come in here…
Ripley: Hudson!
Hudson: …and they’re gonna come in here AND THEY’RE GONNA GET US!
Ripley: Hudson! This little girl survived longer than that with no weapons and no training.
[to Newt]
Ripley: Right?
[Newt apes a salute]
Hudson: Why don’t you put her in charge?

Yeah, well at least I'm housebroken.

by HypoLuxa on Dec 7, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Paxton as Hudson

cannot be overrated.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

If the play him every day, bad idea

If they give him 300 PA or so per season, he will be productive.

Probably not worth the $$$ he got, but not many free agents this winter will be worth the $$$ they get.

"Whenever I'm about to do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do not do that thing."

by Hard8 on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Back up 1b/3b

They’ll use him to back up their LH corner guys

by CO Ranger on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

hey tagdonttweet

did you tell everyone how we got cut off and refused alcohol service saturday night at the liqour store?

by I am Neftali Feliz on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

haha no.

the funny part about being cut off to buy alcohol from a liquor store though, is that it was only 7 o clock in the evening and we were already bombed out of our minds.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Who was driving?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

we walked

(we were at my apartment in Uptown)

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

TagDon'tDrive

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Ha!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

TagDon'tDriveDrunk

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

which apartments?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

State Thomas Ravello

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

fantastic area

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

love it there in Uptown.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I used to live right over there

in the Manchester.

"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales

by Michael Cave on Dec 7, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

love those, too

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh, what a mess
jamie mccourt wins case and gets half #dodgers. 2 lawyers tell me ruling is right. A mess now, tho

Heyman

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

JMcCourt getting half the team is (I think) good news for Dodger fans because

they will have to sell the team to new owners.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Said our Resident Dodger Fan

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn...

Bitches, man.

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

They do what they do

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

hilarious line there, bdk!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Ain't nothin' but tricks n' hoes

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He gets the pitching staff

and she gets to get banged by the position players.

I mean…

uh

nvm.

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

x

the Dodgers got 99 problems

100 problems.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Man I'm dying to make a

shirt for the brewery that has “I got 99 problems but a beer ain’t one” on it.

by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Dec 7, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd have her killed.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

So this is where you assholes have been hanging out?

I hate it when I miss a new thread.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

Dolphins.

Fish are in school.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

nice

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Guess dolphinpuncher must've knocked 'em all cold

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

In a more serious forum than LSB

A guy’s name is Andy Pada…I can’t even read a post of his without doing Andy Panda schtick in my head…sigh.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

more serious than LSB?

The fuck is that supposed to mean?

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Market/work related

And they do not throw empty beer cans at my head.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, you know it!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

haha!

that guy is a son of a bitch.

who is still sorry about that.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

:)

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That happens to me a lot

I also have random George Carlin bits play in my head sometimes when people say things that trigger them… it’s kinda fun, really.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Hainesworth suspended w/o pay the rest of the season

Ha.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

What a jackwad.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

...after telling the owner that he would never speak to Shanahan again.

Smart guy, eh?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Hell. fucking. YES.

I loathe the Redskins, but even I was getting sick of what that buttnugget was putting them through.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

x
danconnollysun
#Orioles and #Rays swap of Jason Bartlett for Nolan Reimold is heating up. One source expects it to happen today,

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

someone pointed out on twitter than orlando cabrera had a WAR almost twice as high as bartlett last year

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking the Orioles might win 80 games in 2011.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

and still finish 18 games out?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Also said the Rangers would finish third

salt

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: So the girlfriend drug me to my first death metal concert last night

Went and saw Dimmu Borgir at the House of Blues.

Highlight of the night was the lead singer saying, “We’re going to sing a song in Norwegian now, is that alright with everyone?”

Which I guess translated to “grAWARARWRARARARARARA!!!!!!” with a Norse accent or something.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

OT: OT

Is it “drug” or “dragged?”

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Saw that one comin'

but points, nonetheless good sir.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Animate objects (i.e., you) are dragged,

inanimate objects are drug.

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

then what do you drudge?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Reports?

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

so...
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Cliff Lee has at least one 7 year offer for $20-25 mil (not the nats). #yankees have been intending to stay at 6 yrs tops. We’ll see.

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Dec 7, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

x
Sprow_ESPN Chris Sprow
Based on talk here in Orlando of 7-year market for Lee, @DSzymborski ran a 7-year projection. It’ll surprise you: http://es.pn/fyDeJA

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not an insider

so meh to this. It’s ESPN so I’m sure it’s stupid anyway

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Szymborski thinks it's a good bet for a National league team, such as the Nationals...

to give Cliff Lee 7 years. He only ran projections based on him being the in the NL, though.

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s a bit unfair – I can be stupid all by myself (my Silva-Bradley trade analysis is haunting my dreams).

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Dec 7, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Could you tweak your projection for the AL?

Hint: Rangers?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Can’t give the cow away quite yet, but Lee projects even better in Texas – it’s the stronger league, but Texas has a better defense than the Nats or Yankees and a low-HR pitcher is likely to be hurt less than average at Arlington.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Dec 7, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, thanks!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

you're good people, Dan

ESPN connections aside

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Suckup

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

How can you call that performance good? Or worth the contract?

Paying $20+ million for 113 ERA+ and 129 IP ???

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

I had the exact opposite reaction. “If even in a seventh year he’ll be servicable enough to have an above-average ERA and over 100IPs, that would be much better than I would’ve been afraid of.”

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Assuming conservative revenue growth of 5% a year with 2010 at $4.5 million, one would expect a win on the free agent market to be worth $6.3 million by that last year. With a replacement-level of 4.94 ERA, a 3.67 ERA in 129 IP is worth a hair under 2 wins. All told, at 5% growth, ZiPS projects Lee to be worth 7-years, $126 million.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Dec 7, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

First off, I think we all assume a 7 year contract to be more than that.

Second of all, how can you assume a 5% inflation rate yet not adjust for the risk taken on by the team to signing a long-term deal like that? I see no accounting in that for the possibility that Cliff Lee gets hurt and either doesn’t come back or is ineffective after he does.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That projection does have him only qualifying for the ERA title 4 more times.

Pitchers don’t really have an age curve – it’s kind of a gentle plateau with sudden sinkholes. A projection that didn’t account for risk skewness would have him pitch a lot more and decline even less.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Dec 7, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I’m not sure it’s the most accurate way to do it, but I suppose you’re at least attempting to account for it.

For what it’s worth, the FIP’s range from 2.84 to 3.34, assuming HBP and IBB are negligible, which strikes me as optimistic while the IP strikes me as a bit pessimistic over the first few years (the guy has 4 straight 210+ IP seasons).

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa.

NothinG has the gift.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

eff

not an insider. just a poor college kid here. what’s the projection look like?

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

ERA+ of over 110...

over the life of the contract (136 to 113 ERA+ range).

by coolaid on Dec 7, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Those are the...

projection if he pitches for the Nationals.

by coolaid on Dec 7, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

has anyone run a projection from an AL perspective?

i’m too lazy/too busy studying for my 3 exams in the next 2 days to look it up

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been contributing there regularly since the beginning of the season. The archive page on ESPN only shows me back to June – there are another 15-20 things, a few mag sidebars, and the big ZiPS thing in the preview that aren’t listed.

--
Dan Szymborski
Dan's Stuff is on: BTF, ESPN, Twitter

by D.Szymborski on Dec 7, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

we'd let you

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well,

it couldn’t hurt our chances of landing Felix, right?

by blakethegr8 on Dec 7, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I’m pretty sure it’s all cosmos and cotton balls now there anyways

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

ya know

$140M to $175 is a pretty big difference.

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

no kidding

if someone was willing to go 6 years @ 23M per, you’re looking at 138M. might as well add a year for 2M then

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, thats the issue

What is the total contract

Ive been adamant against a 7 year contract…but i might do 7 years 140M…

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The Expos?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

too soon!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe its..

trop tôt

Bastard French.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I have this sick feeling it's the Angels.

They’ve done nothing this offseason up to this point. Gotta wonder if they where waiting to crash the Lee bidding…

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

if he went to the Angels I'd hate him, I don't give a shit how much money he'd make.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yah.

I will be burning caricatures.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

can't be

I mean theoretically it can, but why spend more money on pitching (and starting pitching, at that) when you have gaping offensive and bullpen holes?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: Greater American Treasure

Who’s the better Actor: Bill Paxton or the Rock?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

The Rock, clearly

Fuck Bill Paxton. I hate that dude

by MikeEl on Dec 7, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Not true.

As I mentioned above, Frailty is an underrated movie… I don’t want to give the guy an Oscar or anything… but are we really considering him worse than The Rock?

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Paxton was in Tombstone

so he automatically wins.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

is he the one on "Big Love"? The wife and I love that show

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

never seen it, but I hear it’s quite good

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

Underrated actor, underrated director.

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You seem to have forgotten about the cinematic masterpiece that is Twister.

It’s ok, I’ll let it go.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

dude that's unfair

what about Weird Science?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Chet was a great, great character.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a lawyer!

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Game over, man!

Game over!

Hipsters, Flipsters, and Finger Poppin Daddies! Knock me your lobes.

by Escher on Dec 7, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally

after witnessing him as Coconut Pete in Club Dread, it’s SUCH a tough call…but he’s never really carried a movie before; and the Rock has

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

x

Rotoworld_BB Rotoworld Baseball
Red Sox, Mets have discussed Beltran deal http://dlvr.it/9w8WF

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

if we get him for nothing, sure

the guy is way too injury prone. maybe the DH spot would do him good

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

spot start in CF?

or is he a corner fielder now?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Random idea

Would the collective be interested in doing a community contract projection for future Rangers FA? This would work similar to AJM’s annual community projections for Rangers players slash lines.

I think it would be an interesting foray into the Rangers future budget plans.

Rec this comment if you are interested.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

i'd like to see it

and learn from it, but I currently have no knowledge of doing such things, let alone sabermetrics or anything that seems to be worth much here. if yall post it though, i’ll read and learn.

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Billy Butler not available?

The guy has been on OBP machine the past 2 years and would fit in nicely here in the 7th or 8th spot.

What about a package for him and Grienke? Hunter, Holland, Scheppers, Profar, and Moreland.

Or is Moreland viewed as a cheaper Billy Butler starter kit?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

ha

so we deplete the farm and lose our possible number 4 starter for Greinke and Butler? For a TORP and a number 7 hitter. No thank you. Would rather keep moreland, holland, and perez if possible

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just throwing it out there, not advocating it.

The Royals seem to want to tear down and rebuild and move Grienke. Where is Billy Butler in this? I’d think they could get a prospect or two.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

they'd want way too much for butler

for Greinke they are still asking the moon, but butler may be overvalued even more, then you package that into one deal? recipe for disaster my friend.

now i’m not calling you out on it or anything like that. hell, i would love to do it, but we just don’t have the troops in the farm to handle a deal like that, let alone at the show

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Butler is a 7 hitter?

On what team?

The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.

Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT

by Drew062682 on Dec 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

On the Rangers he'd be a 6 likely

Andrus/Borbon
Young
Hamilton
Cruz
Kinsler
Butler
Moreland
Torrealba
Andrus/Borbon

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd flip butler and kins honestly

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

How are Butler and Moreland on this team together?

1. Andrus
2. MY
3. Hamilton
4. DH option
5. Cruz
6. Kinsler
7. Butler
8. Torrealba
9. Borbon

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Butler would be the DH

I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect that if the team acquires Butler

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if you have to trade Moreland for him?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the Royals would want Moreland

They have Moustakas and Hosmer as the future of their corner infield. Moreland doesn’t project to be a plus OF. Why would they want him?

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

And then Kinsler and Young.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Why the fuck is MY still #2 in both of those lineups?

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats what Wash do.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't help but wonder if

MY pursuing hits has a role in it.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Face had an .891 OPS in 2009.

Kinsler was hurt to start the season and then Cruz started pullying his hammys every other month.

Face went bonkers in May, June (OPS above .900?).

Kinsler was hurt in August, Josh was hurt in September.

I think Old School Brutha was plugging leaks the best he could, liked the production the team had with Young in the 2 hole and let it ride.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but he wasn't as good this past year

as he was the year before. If he is in the decline phase, you’re going to have to get him out of the 2-spot pretty soon…but I’m not sure the Rangers/Wash/PR will allow it.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So you think OS Brutha left Face in the 2 hole only

to let him compile hits last year?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that Kinsler has proven enough

to warrant a move there.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Career years are generally pretty good.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

/Mike E

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Butler is fantastic...a lot better than a #7 hitter.

He hit .318 last year with a .388 OPS… Yes please.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

well he'd matthew had put from the 7th or 8th spot

so I ran with it.

This team do what it do ~ Ron Washington
I didn't see a reason to go out there 'n ack-a-fool ~ Ron Washington on the Ben and Skin show

by Eric Prince on Dec 7, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Butler

is I think would be good for a similar average, especially with the protection on this team as opposed to KC with a bit more pop at RBiA. Would be a pipe dream to get both of them though.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I still think he would be

In my scenario you trade Moreland, plus I’m assuming we sign a DH.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Butler is not a #7 hitter.

He’s quite good.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

OT

Is Amber Heard the hottest lesbian ever?

For those who don’t remember, she was the Seth Rogan’s girlfriend in Pineapple Express and the hot zombie chick in Zombieland.

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

I would say this subject is ALWAYS on-topic

Me: But if we move to some state where our views are in the majority, I won't have anything to rant against all day long! What will fuel my rage??
Girlfriend: Well...you'll still have the Yankees.

by WildcatPhoenix on Dec 7, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And the hot girl in "Never Back Down"

And the hot girl in that movie where Justin Timberlake kidnaps this kid.

I love her so much. Damn you, lesbians!!

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Enjoyed that movie

but I only remember Amanda Seyfried.

She basically played out the fantasy of any 14-year-old heterosexual boy, even if they are left only to reminisce about it years later.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

HTS did, if that was your intended meaning there...

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yah

but not her.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Duh, I know

I was just playing on the 14yo boy fantasy angle.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

What the dino was joking about though was that hightower said hed be able to reminisce about it years later….one problem there, they fuckin killed him

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't recall a hot zombie chick in that movie.

Then again, I find zombies completely unattractive so meh (maybe that’s just me though).

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

Completely forgot about her for a moment. Probably because I have a huge crush on Emma Stone

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

low self-esteem because face skin is falling off

FTW!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

NO

Anything that involves face skin falling off = FTL.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

but if their fase skin is falling off

you can buy low on ’em!
/Married Guy

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd need a more complete list of hot lesbians to determine that.

I’ve never really liked her that much myself, though I tried because she is pretty hot.

Too much of a generic sort of hot, I think.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd need a more complete list of hot lesbians to determine that.

I’ve never really liked her that much myself, though I tried because she is pretty hot.

Too much of a generic sort of hot, I think.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always like Lindsay Bluth, myself

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey.

Watch yourself there Loblaw.

by michael bluth on Dec 7, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

your sister is hawt

so was Marta 1. Not so much on Marta 2.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

incredible face

body = meh

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

c'mon FO, this offseason is really boring

make something happen

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions  

I think the Rangers are in Dire Straits.

They’ve got Money for Nothing right now.

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: This freaking WikiLeaks guy is like a Bond villian

if he gets killed or captured, he’s got some superfile that’s gonna blow the lid off of everything, supposedly. Link

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

I hope so, fuck him.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck the New York Times too!

/1971 Letter to the Editor

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the fact that the girl didn't might be the problem.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been waiting for Operation Treadstone to kick in

this is a messed up deal all the way around.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what they want you to think

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

That is correct.

We do want you to think that.

Heavy is the head that eats the crayons...
LSB-Come for the baseball, stay for the Dirkatron raping!

by bdk03a on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

WHAT?!?!?!?!?

Someone get Pam Landy on the phone!!!!! NOW!!!! This is NSA Level 3 folks….

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Read any of the books?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

no

the wife got me one for Christmas a couple of years ago, but apparently the story is so different than the movie plots I never bothered. I should, though. But I probably won’t.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I read the first,

it’s pretty in depth and pretty different from the movies.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh. Pretty much pure pulp.

The movies borrow heavily from the first book (at least the first and third movie, I don’t remember if the stuff in the second was in there at all), with many of the changes being for the better (though I thought the movie made the backstory lamer with the OMG LITTLE KIDS! or whatever stuff).

The second and third books are bleh.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Did we even read the same book?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe one of you

read the version where the English had been translated to Portuguese on Bablefish and then translated back to English…probably some kind of collector’s item

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Um. Dunno where I got "borrow heavily" from. That should be borrow lightly.

The premise of the first movie comes from the first book. The whole “go back to the source in NY” thing in the third vaguely resembles the end of the first book.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

It’s been a while, but I thought his character in the book was a CIA/FBI/something operative who went undercover as assassin as a way to draw out a world-famous assassin. So he killed some people and his operation did a good job of attributing other noteworthy deaths to his new identity.

Right?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

It's been a while here too,

but that sounds right, and then he gets amnesia (well, that’s the start of the book) and has to piece things together starting from “apparently I’m a famous assassin.”

I haven’t seen the first movie in years either, but in it didn’t he get amnesia, piece things together, and then find out that he actually was an assassin but he had had a change of heart after seeing some cute kids of one of his targets or something? Lame. But just about everything else worked better the way they did it in the movies, especially the sequels.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

kind of

he got amnesia and was trying to piece together his old life from the few clues he had…the movie leaves it up to some interpretation as to what caused him to not wanna be an assassin anymore. I think it was a combination of feeling like Conklin used him AND that he was falling in love with Marie. The amnesia happened when he was sent to off Wombosi on his boat…but when he put the gun to Wombosi’s head, he saw that Wombosi was holding a little kid on his lap and he had a very tiny bit of conscious slip in that hadn’t yet been totally destroyed by the CIA behavioral scientists programming the Ops for Treadstone..when he was trying to get off the boat, Wombosi shot him twice in the back.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

as he pieced his life back together

he realized that the government basically chewed him up and spit him out without any concern to how their reprogramming actually affected the human beings themselves. Because he had that small shred of humanity left, he was able to get out. A key line…in the first one as Clive Owen (who was sent to kill Bourne) was dying, he said, “look at this. Look at what they make you give.” That line is echoed in the 3rd on where Bourne is on the rooftop of the CIA BehavOps building being chased down by CIA guys…one of the guys has Bourne dead to rights with the sights on his head and Bourne says the same line…the CIA Op kinda hesitates for a second…almost as if he also had a tiny shred of humanity left in him as well. This allowed Bourne to go free.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, yeah, in the book and movie both the post-amnesia decision to stop being an assassin sounds pretty similar.

I just don’t like the “he had been programmed to be a heartless killer and the programming slipped up” angle of the movie compared to the “he had lost everything and was angry and desperate enough to go into deep cover as an assassin” background of the book.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Although after I read more of his books,

the bit where the protagonist actually had to deal with the responsibility of being the guy who killed all those folks on his own, instead of just being “programmed” to do it, seemed less like an interesting look at what someone like that has to be able to do and more just a reflection of a somewhat sociopathic author.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

All of Ludlum's books are awesome.

It’s when the new guy started trading on the Bourne name that the series went downhill.

by Past A Diving Michael Young on Dec 7, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you really believe that

or is he just making that up to try to protect himself?

by texnykazrus on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

according to the video

he allowed a bunch of people to download the file that is password encrypted. Upon death/capture, someone close to him (lawyer?) is gonna tell the password and everyone will be able to read the file. The password is probably “Iluvkitty1”

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He hasn't released troop movements, FBI or CIA documents.

This is correspondence that should be sent in the open. Our State Department should not be asking ambassadors to spy for them. It’s not their job, nor is it sound diplomacy. I don’t care how old the practice may be.

Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.

by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 7, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

they are not spying

giving assessment reports is part of thier job and should not be out in the public domain.

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Why on earth should correspondence be sent in the open???

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll forgive me if I don't take your advice on what constitutes "sound diplomacy."

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just interested in how long it takes people to figure out that it's hard to keep a lot of secrets with (practically) instantaneous global communication networks.

Which will happen first: people learning that posting potentially job-costing info on Facebook is a bad idea, or governments/politicians learning they can’t keep as much secret these days as in the past?

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I can tell you what won't happen

the fact that high government officials don’t even know as much as CIA, NSA, etc. – and the fact that most of their info has never leaked and probably won’t

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Rangers leaving the fan?

Here

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

Fuck

I can’t pick up 103.3 for shit at my jobsite

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck everyone

A station with a worse signal?!?!?!?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

this sucks balls

this means I won’t be able to listen to some of the games on the AM radio when the OKC affiliate is playing worthless Redhawks games.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

iPhone?

You could get MLB At Bat, or whatever the audio only part is. It’s only about $15, I think.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

It's hard to keep my phone hooked up like that in the car

since I’m always getting in and out of the car and I’m always having to use my phone

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

What's gonna happen when the Mavs are in the playoffs until mid June?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Forget that...

The regular seasons overlap!

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Apperantly 820 is a sister station

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

True that, my bad.

820 is a blow-torch.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Who cares about the Mavs.

Basketball sucks.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Go Mahvs

/Wang Lee

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That guy is a beating

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

He is that.

But does seem to be well-connected in the news and media circles. Plus, he works there.

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you guys not have iPhones or someway

to download the MLB app?

$10.99 you can listen to every game – any team on your mobile device.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

a gun rack?

what am I supposed to do with a gun rack?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't even own "A" gun

let alone “many” guns that would necessitate in needing an entire rack.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Liar!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't own *that many guns

3 personally owned ones (1 is just a plinker that sits in the safe).

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I took a shine to it when someone posted it a few months ago

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Only 3 that I personally own

the rest I lug around are owned by The City. I sold my rifle a few weeks ago when a department-owned one came available and I would rather carry theirs than mine.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

this made it much funnier for the fact that you had to defend

that you carry guns

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Iknowright?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think guns are good

/cocainegreggo

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Somebody is going to accuse you of

stealing all your shtick from The Ticket, Officer Bob.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

"Don't become the '82 Milwaukee Brewers."

by Josey Wales on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I just remember some drops from way back in the day. I don't usually have time to listen online.

now is Bob Jr.‘s nap time, so I’m in quiet mode..

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

No, we like him.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Badaboosh

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you carry, anyway?

Not that it matters, that just made me curious.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

sig p226 in .40

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes I think I shoulda gone with a 229

but that extra inch at the end does improve accuracy just a bit. Anyone? Anything to add to that sentence, LSB? Something seems missing…

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering how long that was gonna take

twss

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a baretta

px4 storm 9mm. The only thing I wasn’t a huge fan of on the sig is a lack of a safety, but I guess the de-cocking lever will do.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

"This is my safety (wiggles trigger finger)"

-Delta Op in “Blackhawk Down”

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

My Dad used to have a .40 s&w that he always said he was gonna give to me when I was older. That was during his gun nut phase like 5 years ago, though, I think he sold it during the divorce. I never even got to shoot the thing.

Did get to shoot his .45 ACP once though. That was fun.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I would like to own a high-end 1911 someday

but I’m not sure if I’d carry one at work…8 rounds per mag isn’t a lot.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

What is it that you do?

policia?

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

For true, he is.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

si

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

any reason

you opted for the .40 and not the 9mm? do you guys have to buy your own ammo?

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Dec 7, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it may carry 3-4 less rounds

but it packs a lot more punch. I would do the same if I was a cop.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

and Bob - you probably carry 2 extra clips?

If so….how often are you going to use 42 rounds of ammo at one time?

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

43, actually

(12 rounder in the gun, 1 in the chaber and two 15-rd mags on my belt). Most police gunfights are 3 total rounds (between all parties involved) at a distance of 8 feet. If I need 43 rounds, things aren’t going well for someone (hint: it’s not gonna be me..I’m going home at the end of my shift).

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

that is a pretty interesting piece of info. Only 3 rounds? My 43 round point was to Trident – If 43 rounds need to be used, it doesnt matter what weapon you have at that point.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

if 43 rounds are being exchanged

I sure hope 42 of those are from my rifle behind some cover/concealment!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

not all officers

but supposedly they’re planning that in the future

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That is pretty cool

what comes to mind when thinking about that is that deal back in the 80’s in LA where two bank robbers had automatic rifles. None of the like 30 officers on the scene had anything besides a pistol or shotguy, which is useless at the range they were at. They had to wait like 30 minutes for the SWAT team to get there to really do anything.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Feb. 28, 1997 (the day before my birthday..lol)

The North Hollywood Shootout. Yes, that’s the primary reason a lot of departments are trying to get long guns to patrol officers (although at my department, the tactical guys are also day-to-day patrolmen, so there’s almost always a few swat guys on all the time).

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy shit

I watched that docu the other night, wicked shit.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

the patrolmen went to a gun store across the street and got some long guns to prevent a total clustermassacre

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And the shaggy huge guy ate a bullet by a fence

Is that the same incident?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

that was Larry Phillips. Emil Matasuraneau (sp?) was the one who jacked the beige pickup and ended up offing himself when responding swat guys shot him in the leg from under the truck.

Hope this wasn’t bad karma…off to work!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Be Safe!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

didnt realize it was only in 1997. Either way – I figured that was the case…seems to have taken a while though.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I only ask because

I read something yesterday that said a 9mm with the right ammo has penetration power similar to many .40s

I don’t know too much about it myself, so I was looking to get a professional opinion

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Dec 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm by no means a professional

but from my experience just at the range – it seems a .40 has quite a bit more punch than any 9mm, the bullets are simply larger.

by eric03tx on Dec 7, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about ballistic stuff

9 is frowned upon at my department. My current assignment prohibits me from carrying 9 (I think). Gotta be 40, 357sig or 45 (GAP or ACP).

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I had no idea that departments wouldn’t permit something as common as a 9. Are you in more danger, on a regular basis, than a standard patrol officer?

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Dec 7, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm on the tactial team

They’l let patrol officers carry 9s, bu they “frown upon” it. A Lieutenant broke his hand pretty bad a while back…wen he was fresh back to work, his doc suggested he carry a 9 for a few months until he got the strength back in the hand. The brass guffawed at that.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Your job

does not sound boring

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Dec 7, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

it actually is quite mundane 99.9% of the time

it’s that .01% that’s fun as hell. The other time I’m basically a traveling secretary.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

a bit more punch to it

all our duty ammo is paid for. Yearly qualification ammo is also paid for. If you wanna shoot on your own time, you buy it. The tactical team guys shoot once a month, which is dept. bought, as well. If you’re not a team member, you get exactly 70 rounds ot department-bought ammo a year (50 to carry and 20 to qaul with). Heh.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I should've said that I'm a shepherd

/Fletch

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I have one coming as part of my inheritance from my grandfather.

She’s a beaut.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

and a secret backup pistol that you'll never find (hopefully)

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Nadel better still be doing the games

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He will.

He was on the broadcast when the team was on 820, 1080, 105.3 now 103.3

Did the Cowboys change when they went from the Ticket to the Fan or from 820 or 1080 or wherever they were when they went to the Ticket?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

when are we suppose to hear about who takes over for Josh?

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

it sucks for feed pirates

because 103.3’s online feed will just default to standard ESPN programming when the games are on.

by rockin_rangers on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

yar...

‘Tis no man… ’Tis a remorseless eatin’ machine.

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't understand what that was in reference to here

but rec for a hilarious Simpson’s ref.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty much my game.

9 parts Simpsons references, 1 Part intelligent addition to conversations

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

No online feeds carry the games

They always go to other programming…except when they screw up in ST, which they frequently do.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Old Hoss tweeting that things now are different than they were in the imaginary 1800s

and pointing out some of those differences in a slightly comical way.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm?
Sources have told Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com that Paul Konerko has a multi-year offer on the table from a team other than the White Sox.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

Hmm indeed.

I’m not crazy about going multi-years on him, but I’d be willing to swallow two because he’s probably the best DH option left on the market.

Wouldn’t really want him at three, though.

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd be willing to swallw two, eh?

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

he doesn't want to dazzle his ass...

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

ha!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Then take a shower

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Another award!
Rangers traveling secretary Chris Lyngos was named MLB’s Traveling Secretary of the Year last night.

lol?

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions  

The Golden Suitcase

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You scoff at it

But it’s a crazy difficult and stressful job. Kudos to those guys.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm assuming the traveling secretary handles all the hotel/plane/bus to the park stuff?

that sounds like a major pain in the nards…

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That is part of their job

They also essentially the personal attendant for the entire club. They are responsible for getting everyone, everywhere. No small task considering the sheer number of players/coaches and language barriers and the occasional passport/visa issues.

In addition to all that, they have to deal with the players wives that travel and come to the games, etc.

I used to talk to the Twins traveling secretary occasionally on game days. That job is insane.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Dealing with Players wives must be a very hard job.

Personally, just seeing pictures of Matt Treanors wife can give me a woody… :)

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw her in the scantily-clad flesh when the AVP tour came to Austin a few years ago.

Seeing beach volleyball in person is definitely worth the price of admission. Too bad the AVP tour is out of funding.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Was Costanza

His assisstant?

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So what the hell is this story then?

Cliff Lee Could Get 7-Year Deal From Nationals

Cliff Lee may get a seven-year deal with the Washington Nationals, fresh off their signing of Jayson Werth for $126 million, according to the New York Daily News.

The Daily News quoted an inside source, who said that Lee, the 2008 AL Cy Young winner, could be pried away from the Texas Rangers and go to Washington.

by Perfect Zero on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM CST reply actions  

yeah

total BS.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just about to post the same thing...

that’s insane….if true, good luck with all that….

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 7, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha

Very underated post and I shall rec

by BEW on Dec 7, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Right now? No....

but they have some really nice talent coming up really soon…..

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 7, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

you think JD called in a favor to his Nats buddies

to piss off the Yankees?

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No, really?
According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Yankees have grown frustrated at the slow pace of negotiations regarding lefty Cliff Lee.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM CST reply actions  

fixed
According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Yankees have grown frustrated at the slow pace of negotiations regarding lefty Cliff Lee. because CLIFF LEE! has thus far refused to bow down to kiss their rings and sign a 10 year deal for the league minimum. I mean, he should be thankful the Yankees want him, right? What a fucking loser. Hillbilly.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

fixedfix
According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, THE YANKEES! have grown frustrated because Cliff Lee has thus far refused to bow down to kiss their rings and sign a 10 year deal for the league minimum. I mean, he should be thankful THE YANKEES! want him, right? What a fucking loser. Hillbilly.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Cashmans in Tampa right now with the Jeter presser

Now would be a great time to steal Lee from under their noses. I would love to see the look of Cashmans face as he looks at his phone on live tv

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

We're the Yankees....it should not take more than one trip to Arkansas to convince Lee to sign with us...

/Mystique and Aura

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

by GhostofSteveFoucault on Dec 7, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

when Cashman got off the plane in Arkansas

he was probably swatting at the mosquitos with a snarky look on his face and when he saw CLIFF LEE!, he said, “Ok…we’re here to rescue you from this backwater cesspool. Getcha fuckin’ bags packed…you can thank us later.”

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

and then spat in Mrs. Lee's general direction

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so

They’re probably pissed that the Rangers haven’t made an offer so they can beat it.

by Perfect Zero on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

Let CLIFF LEE! train him and we’ll get him back later in the draft.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

This thing really does seem to be starting to drag, though.

We’ve been hearing it’s supposed to heat up every day for like 3-4 days now, and nothing new has really happened, just a ton of the typical speculations.

After all this wooing though, you have to think we’re nearing the point where one of us, maybe both is gonna give Cliff our best offer and say “think it over, you know where to find us”… right? Maybe that’s what Cliffy’s waiting for…

by LSJ on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably means the agent is doing his work

In the past few weeks this forum has gone from discussing the merits of adding a 5th year to the contract to saying give Cliff Lee a blank check.

Nothing has been accomplished because the price keeps going up. Give credit to the agents, especially Jayson Werth’s.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I won't argue that.

I was just making a point. This subthread is discussing the time element and a lot has changed over the last few weeks.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

OT - Inception came out today on DVD/Blue Ray

I fucking love that movie

"Thumbs/Asses Needing to be Dazzled/The Plan/Ferns " - JW

by shock00 on Dec 7, 2010 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Ditto.

The Blu-ray is #1 on my Christmas list.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

booooring.

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Dec 7, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen

I agreed to go and see it for our wedding anniversary and I spent the entire movie counting down the minutes until it would finally end.

The scouting report on Salty is that he’s a pampered, curly-haired motherfuck who didn’t earn his stripes. He has trouble throwing the ball back to the pitcher, claims to be a switch-hitter and is piss-poor in the clutch.

Have fun!
by oc on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT

by Drew062682 on Dec 7, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

lolwut?

By those standards there have only been like five movies ever made.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

They're exactly the same premise.

Either, at the end, you choose to believe that the main character has just saved someone (or a planet) from an evil corporation, which has been trying to kill him all over the globe while using impossibly cool gear to do so, or you believe that it’s a dream.

by FuturePants on Dec 7, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Inception's a bit more screwy than that:

they basically sabotaged that dude’s one good relationship in order to posthumously reconcile him with his dad solely so that he’d break up his dad’s company because (according to the president of a rival company, so who knows if you can trust him) otherwise it would be a dangerous monopoly.

But regardless, stories involving dreams/memories and where reality starts and the dream stops go way back. Even the story Total Recall was based on is over 40 years old. The whole people-entering-a-dream concept isn’t original, either.

Like with The Matrix vs Dark City, the concept of Inception was nothing that groundbreaking, but it was used very well as a vehicle for some ridiculously well-executed effects and setpieces. Well enough that I can give them bot ha pass for the parts that weren’t adequately explained, like some of the dream level/waking up/totem logic that Inception handwaved past, or the physics-defying “human battery” concept of the Matrix.

by Closure GT on Dec 8, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Get to ze choppa!

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

COME WIT ME IF YOU WANTZ TO LIVEZ

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

gotta see it again

fell asleep the first time

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hypothetically

Angels sign Beltre and Crawford, and

We sign Lee

Who is favored to win the West? I’m thinking Angels

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Mariners

will be the dark horse.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking they add 8-10 WAR

A full season of Haren adds another win

Then you have Morales… that’s a very good baseball team

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

#6 ORG!!!!!

headlined by their prospect pitcher: Ryan Rowland-Smith.

who’s only 27.

ok, now that that is over with…

Book: [to Mal] If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

by iblum on Dec 7, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

No more RRS, non-tendered bro

…and MY and Vernon Wells are friends

by booyakasha on Dec 7, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Rich Harden is 29.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Angels rotation stays healthy, I think they would have a slight edge over the Rangers.

The Mariners and A’s have too far to go offensively.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

if the Rangers' offense stays healthy

they’d slaughter the poor Angels’ pitching

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

This just in
Sounds like teams are upping offers for Zack Greinke. #Royals

They must have heard our David Murphy/Mitch Moreland talk.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

this is funny

what teams? the only rumored teams that are really talking to KC is texas and toronto. toronto is on Greinke’s no-trade list, so who knows.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Rumor has it Greinke told KC he wouldn't invoke his no-trade on anyone at this point

Now whether KC would have wanted Marcum in the deal is a different question.

by booyakasha on Dec 7, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

true

but doesn’t this make very little sense for Toronto to trade Marcum and Halladay in consecutive years in an effort to rebuild their youth, then turn around and trade that same youth to get Greinke for just a couple years. It seems like this is just a way to force Texas’ hand at giving up what KC wants, and with what KC wants, there is no way I do the deal at this point.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

but Greinke can be flipped again at the deadline

not saying they’ll get more but Seattle did this

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Could you make that a bit bigger?

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't read it still

heh

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

How many season tickets will the Nationals actually sell due to signing Werth?

Was there someone out there sitting on the fence, then they saw the Werth signing and decided to get tickets? If I was a Nats “fan,” I would sit 2011 out and wait for Strasburg to come back. Getting to see Strasburg pitch ~15 times might make season tickets worth it.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Josey

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't imagine a scenario where the Mets would make that trade

Nothing fits for them.

It is scary imagining Hamilton and Beltran in the same outfield. Both in terms of talent and in terms of injury proneness

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

I’M ONE FINAL AWAY FROM GRADUATION!

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

Thats a great story...

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

who gives a shit?

/benmor

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

"Once you suffer through it, it’s all glorious beard from there." -GoET

by Bob Loblaw on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

We know TAG don't.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

damn right.

seriously thugh, congrats, and sorry i missed your call yesterday. I’ve been swamped at the office and drinking heavily

"He recently scored as high as an 8.5 on the Ryin A Scale of Douchebaggery." -Ryan A on the douchebag that is Kevin Millar

by TagDon'tTweet on Dec 7, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh thanks

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Congrats, dude.

Fuck the haters.

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome! congratulations!

Getting my bachelor’s degree was the best five-and-a-half years of my life.

by rockin_rangers on Dec 7, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Mine was 3.5 years.

Stupid decision graduating early.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Tweet of the day
PeteAbe Pete Abraham
MLB should expand and have an actual Mystery Team. They can have a question mark on their caps and play in Area 51

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 2:36 PM CST reply actions  

I thought there was a team that was Area 51?

Las Vegas 51’s

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Neftali Perez could be their ace

No one knows what that guy looks like

by Jobu. on Dec 7, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m ready to move on, with or without Cliff Lee.

by jam0152 on Dec 7, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The sun rose today.

That’s all I’ve got.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

no joke

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Evan's guess:
Here’s the bet: The Rangers will let Lee walk, opting not to play a salary in the $20-23 million range. They will instead bite down hard on Kansas City’s Zack Greinke. He will end up in Texas for a package of Martin Perez, Engel Belre, Luis Sardinas and one more minor league prospect yet to be determined.

The Yankees will end up with Lee. The Rangers will use the money saved to add a better hitting option such as Carl Crawford or Paul Konerko.

Ref: http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/12/the-seven-year-itch-will-someb.html

by booyakasha on Dec 7, 2010 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

Carl Crawford or Konerko

there is a big difference in years, money, and positions with these two. there is no way I wanna dish out what Crawford wants after what he just saw what Werth received from the Nats.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a better defender and faster.

Not that will dictate what he gets, but it may.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll bite on Konerko, but does he play 1B or DH?

I vote DH due to my unhealthy love for Mitchy. Seems he is saying no to the Orioles and the White Sox are still trying, but he says he wants a “winning team”.

by booyakasha on Dec 7, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at his advanced metrics at 1B

That says he should be a DH…

If the White Sox resign Konerko they might actually have the 2 worst defensive 1B in baseball

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's probably irrational and based solely on the playoff run high,

but I don’t want to let Lee walk and then pay Crawford $Texas.

by Closure GT on Dec 7, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

what if you get Greinke for less than expected, too?

I’d do that…quickly; and I LOVE Lee

"Look at our current situation with that camel f$%ker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 7, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

More or less agree here

Crawford will probably get more total money than Lee

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You are a big jerk.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

Huhz?

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Lee Corso meltdown on the Ticket

They just replayed it.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

O.

Corso is a moron.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I love that.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Heck ya.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome!

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

And there was much rejoicing.

This just in:

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

The one that said "Lee Corso has a Baby-Arm"

made me laugh..I know it’s Ticket shtick…but what does it mean?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Back on the old Rant, they came up with the ultimate "scenario"

Baby Arm or Lobster Claw. That spun off of a convo about Bree Walker having this affliction.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

lol, okay....now it's much funnier.

The Rant was some good stuff way back when.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not nice.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You are.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not nice.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You're

"Obviously you're not a golfer" -- His Dudeness

by ed carter on Dec 7, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you are, but what am I?

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Rosenthal annoys me...and it has nothing to do with the bow tie.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

Must be a Frat boy

/rimshot.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Weak.

Duct-taping a 40 to your hand? Pussy. Slug it down while it’s still cold and go get another one.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Dec 7, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

frozen beer trick?

do tell…

or don’t if it’s not conducive to the conversation at hand. Wouldn’t want to offend anyone.

by rockin_rangers on Dec 7, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It involves supercooling

Basically the beer bottle will remain in liquid form below freezing temperatures until you disturb it enough to cause crystals to form.

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You can do this with most solute/solvent systems.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

but it’s more fun when you’re able to drink the liquid afterwards

by DFWAg on Dec 7, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

nice nips

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

He has nips?

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Why did I share my Netflix password with my girlfriend

Some Bing Crosby vehicle is headed to my house – Holiday Inn….

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one pitcher to pitch a game to save my life.... I'd pick 1999 Rick Helling.

by matthewbschultz83 on Dec 7, 2010 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Cause you did

/Mike E

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Not too bad of a movie.

Original source for the song “White Christmas.”

by ftwdrummer on Dec 7, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

we need a winter meeting thread

this thread is out of control, sirs

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Dec 7, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

I'll rig one up.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

linkme!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 7, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought that said lick me

I’ve been reading too much this week.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Final exam reviews, tired eyes.

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

shitfire, it's broken or something I'll link it when it's done loading, or w/e the heck it's doing...it's acting wonky.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Here you go...

http://www.lonestarball.com/2010/12/7/1862306/mlb-winter-meetings-thread

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoever linked the QWOP game. I hate you.

I cannot stop playing.

"I don't really like pitchers." - Nelson Cruz

by AceJC on Dec 7, 2010 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

From Heyman
#brewers resigned they cant sign prince longerm. fielded calls from #chisox, #dodgers, #rangers, others. gauging the market

92 wins or bust!
"If Nolan Ryan hadn't been born, Larry McMurtry would have made him up." - Kevin Sherrington

by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Dec 7, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

1087!

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

What is (69 x 15) + 52?

Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.

by crazy86er on Dec 7, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Nobody cares about the Rangers.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you need attention, Rodney?

I count twice in this thread.

Your woobie is here, du.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

HUh?

Did I double post 1087? I was merely making a joke about how huge this thread is.

And does my woobie snuggle with me? I think I should like that, very much, in fact.

"I support you, Wash; I’ve always supported you," Young said
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW

by Rodney on Dec 7, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm ascared of the Rays
ed_price Ed Price
If #Rangers don’t sign Lee and can’t get Greinke, next choice said to be Matt Garza. One source says #Rays motivated to move him.
16 minutes ago

by octoberty on Dec 7, 2010 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

Ewe!

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Dec 7, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

REPOST: OH SHIT BROS!
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Rangers listening to trade offers for Michael Young. Story coming on FOXSports.com. #Yankees #MLB

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

Just saw this as well

I would love to get rid of face, but we’d probably have to eat a good chunk of the contract

by erikj07 on Dec 7, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

they are also listening on offers for

Hamiltom, Cruz, Andrus, Wilson, Kinsler, etc, etc, etc.

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

btw

per Cots

no-trade protection 2007-09, limited no-trade protection from 2010 to May, 2011 (submits list of 8 clubs to which he’d accept trade), before receiving 10-and-5 rights in May, 2011

pay half of his remaining $48M and you might be able to trade him.

by RangerMad on Dec 7, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

MY for Zito just popped into my head

Then I went to Cots and looked at what Zito has left on his deal. Holy crap.

07:$10M, 08:$14.5M, 09:$18.5M, 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout)

That is awful.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade Michael Young

Then sign Lee/Beltre. Trade for Greinke.

That is the ultimate dream scenario for me.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

ooooooooooooOOOOOO

Beat it face we’ve been face fucked enough thank you. I’ve had it with all that flopping around like a beached whale with bad reflexes over there at third.

This shit ain't over til Bengie Molina sings.

by BigGuns on Dec 7, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

What about MY for Aaron Rowand?

Rowand is owed $12 for each of the two next seasons. Chip in a little cash and flip the two. Gives us a righty back up outfielder.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Good question

If he wants to go back home then most likely its West Coast teams

If he wants to stay in Texas its probably teams with established 3B already in place so they would most likely not be interested in the first place

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Josey's ears perked up.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I figured something else did

badbaoosh

Cliff Lee: "Seventy or 80 percent of [Hamilton] is better than everyone else. Everyone knows his history. He’s a complete player who plays every aspect well. He’s the best player I’ve ever played with. That’s the best compliment I can give him.’’

by RangersSD on Dec 7, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What about MY for Beckett

BoSox need a 3B. Beckett had some troubles last year and has a big contract left.

4 years/$68M (2011-14)
signed extension with Boston 4/5/10
$5M signing bonus
11:$15.75M, 12:$15.75M, 13:$15.75M, 14:$15.75M

Would you?

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA fuck yes.

Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.

by Aqua on Dec 7, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Psh Epstein

would hang up the phone immediately

by erikj07 on Dec 7, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hilarious

Per Scott Lucas

Breaking: Rangers belatedly trying to honor Michael Young’s two-year-old trade demand.

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I would give all of your left nuts for this to happen

So long as the other team paid for all of his contract….

Sorry, but sacrifices have to be made

Josey Wales is stupid

by Horns130 on Dec 7, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Random thought

Vernon Wells has a clause in his contract that will allow him to opt out of his contract after 2011. He’s owed $21M per year 2012-2014.

Give me the slash line that Wells would have to put up in 2011 to opt out of that contract

by Heebs on Dec 7, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

400/500/1000

But seriously it aint happening.

He’d be 33 backing out of three guaranteed years and 63 million dollars. Even with the dumbass contracts being given out now I doubt he’d surpass that on the market next year

by bigsteve on Dec 7, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

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