Fallout: New Vegas or AC3?
What with me being marginally employed now, I have to make sounder financial decisions. So I'm going to buy either Fallout: New Vegas today or the new Assassin's Creed. Anyone got both, what do you think? I figure Fallout: New Vegas has more gameplay hours, but the AC games have a pretty good storyline and are pretty engrossing themselves, plus they're pretty awesome visually. What do you guys think?
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I guess that should be Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.
Not AC3.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I got New Vegas a couple of weeks ago.
And it is a buggy, frustrating mess with a broken engine, but it’s really fun. I am enjoying it more than Fallout 3….less trudging around in the dark subway tunnels fighting zombies, and more of a nuanced storyline and bigger choices that you can make.
Buggy frustrating mess...
is not exactly what I was hoping for.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
If other games....
If other games were as huge as FO:NV, they’d be riddled with bugs too. I’m well over 100 hours in New Vegas and haven’t encountered any major bugs (bugs that destroy the fun of the game). Most of the bugs are a random freeze or not being able to complete a quest because some dude’s not in the right place (but with 300+ quests, a broken sidequest is no big deal for me). Simply, FO:NV and AC:B are both stellar games, but I had more enjoyment with NV due to the exploration and wow moments.
by Apes and Androids on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Then you must not play it on Xbox 360
I routinely begin playing with companion characters only to look around and find that they are missing. There is nothing I can do to replace/find them other than reverting to a previous save. This happened 3 different times.
In one train station when I try to walk through a door I fall through the opening and I am transported to the front of the area.
If not for the companion issue I’d still be playing it. It’s a lot of fun, but I can’t get over the fact that I keep losing Boone.
Most reports say the only seriously different one is the PC version..
….which is way worse than the other two in terms of bugs.
I have never had a single issue on PC
I even alt/tab out to my browser which is consuming 1/2 a gig of memory most days.
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Only bugs I have seen are:
-Walking speed/pace gets interrupted and hung up all the freaking time on seemingly nothing in the world.
-One time I fast travelled and my companions vanished.
-Many times the map marker points to the wrong plce.
-A few times the person needed to complete a quest is simply not there (solved by waiting for a few hours, they generally turn up).
-A couple of times the world has trapped me and no matter what, I can’t get loose, which is particularly terrible because it requires a hard restart from a previous save.
-A couple of times, people just FREAK OUT on me, all draw their weapons and waste me cold. Happened once in Camp McCarran, once in the Khan camp. Still have no idea what their problems were because on returning from a previous save, they had no problems.
I ran into a few bugs in ME2 the other day that I hadn't seen before.
One kept making me and my companions rise into the air and not be able to move at all. We were just stuck hovering way above the ground.
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Oh I forgot.
Sometimes the rendering of my hands and rifle (only two handed ones) is at the top of my HUD and it looks very weird.
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Oh, that running constantly time has happened to me a few times.
“WTF, quit running stupid!”
I just punch up-down-up-down a ton of times and it clears.
And I have gotten stuck a few times (like once behind a shack), but I figured it’s because I over-explore.
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lolwut?
PC = no bugs.
very very few and there are bugfixes by community out there (new vegas nexus) to make it work well (like FO3 did)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
No, that's not the reports.
Kotaku says that the PC version is signifcantly worse than the console versions.
damn
rodney and i must be the luckiest people alive then b/c i have had very few issues. only major one i had was for a little while i would exit a building (only outside of vegas) take about 2 steps (get the autosave) then it would crash
that was annoying but then there was some patch that steam DLed that fixed it
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
It's probably a lot of community fixes that don't happen on consoles.
Plus, if Obsidian has patched the PC version already, then obviously that would help.
steam DLed something on like the 3rd day it was out
but there has been a patch a couple of weeks after it had been out
and yea, there are a ton of community fixes…
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by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
They need to patch the console versions soon.
Disappearing companions and people in towns/buildings freaking out and drawing down on you are pretty big problems.
yea
UNTJosh quit playing b/c of it i think
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't finished
I’m starting to get the itch to finish it just to finish it…but I’m the game is still dead to me for now.
FF12 was pretty huge. I put in probably 150+ hours into it easy.
I don’t remember any game breaking bugs.
already had one released for PC btw
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i agree w/ FP about the buggyness
but FO:NV is providing me with a lot of game play hours. been playing several hours a week now for almost a month. it is a little clitchy and you wind up saving more often, but even with that drawback, the overall feel is far reaching and has a much more self determined nature than previous FO’s…
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keep in mind that if your on PC its pretty close to flawless
what system are you on ben?
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I own AC:B, do not own F:NV
AC:B has multiplayer so you can put as many hours into it as you want. The story was interesting. It’s the only game I’ve played since it was released and I’ve still got things I’m trying to complete, especially on the multiplayer side.
What are you thoughts on the COD Black Ops game?
Multiplayer is the best in the business, at least for PS3, but the campaign and zombie settings are pretty good.
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Until they release der reise
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by Chrom on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
surely they are going to, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
supposedly soon
Called classic zombie pack
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by Chrom on Dec 9, 2010 12:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like it
but in all honesty, have only played campaigns about 3 times, and haven’t touched multiplayer yet. I’ve got too much going on in WoW to spend on it right now, but will get back to it soon.
Where's my wallet?!?!?
I own Brotherhood and rented Fallout.
Brotherhood by a mile. Combat is improved from AC2 and the multiplayer mode is quite a bit of fun.
You don't have to wait for a soldier to attack to counter and get things going
And there are execution streaks now where you can take out one soldier after the other really swiftly.
Think Batman: Arkham Asylum combat.
And the story so far for AC:B is awesome.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I never played the first one...
…and found the storyline of the second one utterly impossible to follow. Man was I confused.
I thought the storyline of AC2...
was one of the most compelling storylines I’ve come across in a game.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
I had zero understanding of what the fuck was happening, at any point.
Examples of questions that game, standalone, never answered:
-Who are the templars and why are they such dicks?
-Who had your guy imprisoned at the beginning?
-Why was he imprisoned at the beginning?
-There was a mole who set him free…..to take him to a facility almost identical to the one he was imprisoned in to get him to do the exact same thing, yet he does it willingly? Huh?
-Who the fuck is Ezio?
-Who the fuck are the assassins?
-Why do the assassins care about the Templars?
-And most of all: What. The. Fuck. Was. That. Shit. At. The. End?
hahahahaha
Seems like you missed a bit of the story. Just read through this:
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
Direct quote from FP...
I never played the first one…
…and found the storyline of the second one utterly impossible to follow. Man was I confused
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I didn't; that's the point.
The second one did an exceedingly poor job at explaining the story at all. You had to have played the first one to understand anything.
I started with Halo 2 and I at least grasped the fact that there were these aliens trying to kill you, so kill them first. With AC2, I had no clue why I was just straight murdering people, other than the title of the game had “Assassin” in it.
I don't understand why "Templars bad, need to kill"
is more complicated than “Aliens bad, need to kill”
They really aren't doing anything to Ezio in AC2.
They’re just living, and you go stab them in the throat.
The templars...
they’re the people who imprisoned him at the beginning. They were trying to have him relive his ancestor’s memories (encoded in his DNA) so they could find an ancient artifact. The ancient artifact, and the shit at the end, was the revelation that made the storyline compelling.
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More or less
There are several different items throughout the world and the Templars are trying to collect them as a means of controlling humanity.
I think it was better when I was oblivious to the story....
…and just wandered around stabbing bitches.
I find most things are better this way.
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Same here...
oblivious stabbing is the best.
by lost in space on Dec 8, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
And most of all: What. The. Fuck. Was. That. Shit. At. The. End?
Imagine playing Assassins Creed 1 and finding that in the end, there is a cliffhanger, and you are still locked up in your cell. What the fuck was the point of the game?
Then imagine playing Assassins Creed 2 and finding that in the end, there is another freaking cliffhanger. The game builds up to this confrontation where you are going to be taking on the Templar’s company, but that confrontation doesn’t happen. Again, what the fuck was the point of the game?
That confrontation had better fucking take place in Assassins Creed 3, or I am going to be pissed.
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I'm a sucker for convoluted stories with lots of mythology behind them
I’ve found the AC games to be the best I’ve ever played. AC2 was simply amazing.
I generally played at night and actually found the puzzles used to unlock pieces of that video fragment to be fairly creepy, especially the way you could only catch glimpses of the video itself.
While some may have issues with the story itself, I love alternate history type stories that usually involve science fiction, aliens, etc.
Except when it involves Indiana Jones. Then I hate it.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Basically it's adam and eve running through the alien society
And taking a piece of Eden with them, and then escaping.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, so here's the rundown.
Basically.
The Ones Who Came Before are essentially an alternate race (we’ll just call them aliens) that co-existed with humans. They were technologically advanced and extremely powerful. Apparently, humans were genetically modified by these aliens using Eden to act and look more like them (like God created humans in his own likeness). However, humans were essentially under alien control as long as that piece of Eden existed in the hands of Those Who Came Before.
Adam and Eve stole the piece of Eden (the apple) and essentially freed humans. Around the same time, a giant solar flare nearly destroyed the planet and only a few humans survived (the Flood?) and the aliens were forced to abandon their bodies on our plane of existence.
Because of their omniscience, apparently, they know that another flare is coming. While the Templars want control of the Pieces of Eden to essentially control humanity, Desmond (the guy in the present) is being manipulated by the aliens in order to learn the truth and supposedly save humankind once more. Apparently, they knew that Desmond would be viewing Ezio’s memory — or they pushed him in that direction.
Now Desmond must uncover the truth about the future while fighting off the Templars.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
ahh yeah.
Spoilers and all that.
Dammit. Should have put that in there.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
The biggest question I have about this is
whether the aliens are truly trying to help Desmond or just manipulating him to further their own goals. Do they truly want Desmond to save humanity?
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
Yeah, exactly.
It’s all very ambiguous, which makes AC:3 the final piece of the puzzle. Supposedly they had this game mapped out as a trilogy the entire time and it’s building towards a big finale.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Okay. ****SPOILERS BELOW PEOPLE******
Even though I ruined it already. Here is a much, much better account of what happened overall, since I don’t feel like typing all this out myself. It’s a more detailed version of what I had above.
Okay so, what I got from it is that there were people before humans, and that these people then made humans using the Piece of Eden.
However, they manufactured the humans so they would obey them as long as the Piece of Eden was in their possession. Adam and Eve find out and steal the Piece of Eden, releasing the humans from their figurative chains, and leading a rebellion against them. So, in a sense, without realizing it, the “Gods” for lack of a better term, were the first Templars and Adam and Eve, along with all who followed, were the first Assassins.
And so they waged war. The “Gods” were stronger but the humans were way more numerous, so the “Gods” were fighting a losing battle. Then, out of nowhere, something that no one expected happened. Some kind of catastrophe involving the sun caused some kind of mass genocide, but there were survivors.
Then, realizing that they should stop fighting and rebuild, the “Gods” and humans united. The “Gods” died out and after a looooooooooong time that really happened transformed from truth into myth and speculation since there was no written language. The “Gods” become actual Gods and the sun becomes some sort of be all end all for civilization.
The Eastern Hemisphere “evolves” but the Western Hemisphere, or at least the middle of it, still know what’s up. But then the conquerers come and destroy nearly everything, leaving only the calender that has the fateful day when it might all happen again—12/21/2012. So anyway, now nobody remembers and the world is doomed once more, except this time there are no “Gods” to protect the humans.
However, the “Gods” foresaw this and put temples, or “Vaults” all over the planet to retell the actual tale. HOWEVER, Ezio finds it much too soon, before he can actually do anything about it. The “Gods” foresaw THIS too, and knew that Desmond would revisit the memories of his ancestors so they made sure that in the temple they let him know that they were talking to HIM and not Ezio. It can be assumed that Ezio passed this information down through his ancestors as well, which is probably why Desmond’s parents knew it was so vital to keep him safe. So now the threat has shifted from the Templars ruling the world with the Piece of Eden to the sun destroying the world altogether.
There’s a catch though. Just like the first Vault that Ezio found, you need Pieces of Eden to gain entry to all the other ones. So now that Desmond has all his ancestors’ abilities, along with the hidden blade, the search is on, both for another Piece of Eden and the Vaults themselves.
Oh, and the Templars may or may not be oblivious to the fact that their doom is imminent. Whether they seek to just rule the world with the Pieces of Eden or save the world with the Pieces of Eden and THEN rule it remains to be seen. I think they know though. The satillite mentioned on one of the computers needed the Piece of Eden to function. I’m just not sure if it’s to broadcast the mind-control effects or display the locations of the temples. Maybe the former, because they definitely want dominion like their ancestors. Maybe the latter, because Ezio did the exact same thing with the Piece of Eden when he found the location of the first Vault on the codex pages.
Anyway, what I’m trying to get at is that Assassin’s Creed III should involve an Eternal Darkness-esque search for the Pieces of Eden, locating and entering the remaining Vaults, and reconciling with the Templars. Or destroying them once and for all. Should be fun.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I remember..
….that is why the thing in the vault was talking to Desmond and why Ezio was all like, “My name is Ezio, you crazy ghost!”
Exactly.
Minerva was talking to Desmond through Ezio, who was clueless. But it finalized the transfer of all of the abilities straight to Desmond.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
I tihnk Subject 16 might be the most interesting part of the story
The Truth stuff is just plain interesting to go through. Add in the new revelations with him in Brotherhood and he is just keeps getting more and more interesting.
Haven't played Brotherhood yet
Going to get it next week though.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I will be getting it for Christmas.
Good thing that is just over two weeks away now.
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Yeah...
We assume they are aliens. We never actually see them, but Adam and Eve are obviously escaping from someone.
It brings up the question of whether Adam and Eve (and the human race) are actually from Earth, or brought here as captives of some other beings. Definitely a WTF moment.
"Certainly, we were penalties, and we stopped ourselves." - Les Miles
I judge it more by what Minerva said while talking to Desmond
and not so much on that short video clip. Also, there’s a ton of clues that are given when you’re working on the puzzles to unlock the video.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
I believe
that Adam and Eve are hybrids of regular humans and TTCB. I feel pretty confident that was brought up at some point.
Yeah.
They modified the early hominids to become a hybrid of TTCB. That’s what Minerva said, although she maid it sound much better than what was mentioned during the puzzles — talking about a slave race that escaped and all that.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Likely because they are direct descendants of Adam and Eve.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong.
I enjoyed the hell out of both games, and the story lines were good…
up until the extremely unsatisfying endings. Cliffhanger endings to both games? That sucked ass. I want closure!
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Spoilers
Ending of MassEffect was kind of lame – you defeat the bad guy and foil his plot, but the bad guy was just one of legion, and the end is basically the protagonist saying, “We beat one, but there are more out there! Let’s go get ’em!”
At least you get to bed one of the wenches.
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More spoilers
That’s like God of War 2. In the end, you “beat” Zeus, but you do not kill him. Then you get a cutscene showing that the war between the gods and the titans is starting. THE END…
That was my first experience with a game with a cliffhanger ending. I hate them. If I spend many many hours playing a game, I want some damn closure.
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Doesn't GoW3 end with you having basically annihilated the entire world?
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I have not played it yet (I am really behind on some games).
I will finally be getting it soon. But in the meantime, thanks for ruining the ending for me!
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It's still worth playing.
The Aphrodite part is nice.
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Don't worry, I am going to play it.
Annihilating the entire world sounds like fun!
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If you don't want to be "in the dark" for AC3,
you need to buy or rent AC:B and complete the story. If not, you’re going to be thinking “WTF!?!?” when you play AC3. There’s a pretty big development in the story in AC:B.
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There are a couple for sure
In both of the last two games, The Truth portions involved a pretty nice plot twist.
There is no AC3, the 3rd one is called AC: Brotherhood
so you need to rent AC2 prior to playing AC: Brotherhood.
Just to clear up any confusion
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It's a fact.
The game series is a trilogy. Brotherhood was just them trying to make some more money.
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It is far closer to fact than me being hopeful.
I don’t think it’s been officially announced, but it will almost certainly take place. The series has been very successful for Ubisoft and the story is hardly complete. The series is quite huge, I see no reason why it would stop now especially with an uncompleted story.
More than likely
There was a survey they did a while back asking what those surveyed thought of certain concepts that they had for the next sequel. A new setting and character was chief among those questions.
Originally it was speculated it would take place during WW2
But the studio said that they want to take the game only to places we’ve never been before in video games. So who knows when it will be. The French Revolution?
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
If it could be a "You have to assassinate Hitler" as the final mission kind of game.
I would play it all the fucking time.
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That would fun.
Not that I think it will happen. WWII would basically make the game into Splinter Cell. I don’t think hidden blades would work too well against machine guns.
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French Revolution would be interesting
That would be pretty cool since Joan of Arc held a piece of eden. Perhaps a decedent of hers acquired it or something.
You said "decedent."
Look at your own post.
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Yes my bad.
Clearly I meant “descendant.” I’ve been off all day. Apparently causing my intelligence to sink into previously unknown levels.
Yes it would.
Ezio would not be in AC3. There’s a lot of speculation to the setting of the next game. More than likely, it will be set somewhere in western Europe (Britain, Napoleonic France) but there is a slight chance it could be in America. Many people are hoping it will be set in feudal Japan, but I find that unlikely because Ezio’s bloodline probably wouldn’t find its way there.
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A samurai version of AC would be incredible.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Ubisoft...
says they aren’t developing any new IP’s until the next generation of consoles. So that means until the next generation comes along, their existing intellectual properties are going to keep working for them, which means there will be more AC games.
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Yeah, but only 2 for the major consoles.
Well…three now, with Brotherhood. The others have been DS or PSP games.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
the first one (the storyline) just annoyed me
i quit playing after less than an hour
ugh
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Why is it I just can't get into games like Fallout or Biohazard or anything like that?
I throughly enjoyed Halo 1-3 (multiplayer only), but I become so bored and frustrated with single-player.
I really want to enjoy games like that. I just can’t.
I’ll play sports games until I’m blue in the face, though.
I'm in the middle of a dynasty in NCAA Football 11...
and I’m just hooked upon hooked.
It’s not the gameplay so much as it is the off-the-field stuff. Love it.
Yeah, I usually end up simming the games so that I can get to the good stuff...
recruiting!
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I just started playing Fallout 3.
It’s pretty incredible, a gigantic world in which you can just do your own thing. I’ve never been into RPGs or games like this before, but thought I’d give it a shot. It’s pretty good.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Fallout 3 is significantly better than New Vegas unfortunately.
If New Vegas were less buggy it would prevail.
Yeah, that's why I picked F:3.
I never played the first two, but heard this one was great. And it is.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
It's also good because it's standalone just fine.
You don’t need to know anything about the Enclave, Brotherhood of Steel or the war that they don’t tell you in-game.
FP is right.
However, if you enjoyed Fallout 3, you should play the first two (in order). If you can stand the third-person sprite-based RPGs at all, you will love them. Fallout was less forgiving than Fallout 2 (if memory serves), but I can guarantee you that if you have any patience at all for those games, you’ll probably play them both for dozens of hours.
Eh
I like the fact that you are outside and can find multiple routes to almost anything. Being forced into those subway tunnels in Fallout 3 constantly to access half the map, and having said tunnels be very confusing got really old after awhile.
Like Borderlands
“WTF, I have to go all the way across this map to get to this tunnel, only to cross this other map to get to this tunnel, to get where I need to get???”
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"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
Yeah Borderlands got annoying like that.
I wanted them to tell me exactly where I needed to end up and just warp there.
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Yes.
New Vegas is worlds better than Fallout 3 for the following reasons (bugginess aside, as your mileage may vary on bugginess):
1. The game world is much larger.
2. The locations are much more diverse (you have relatively small towns that are still worth stopping at and checking out for quests).
3. There’s a huge, huge degree of open-endedness in the game, and morality is much more ambiguous in this game (which is what the first two were so famous for).
4. There are four different endings to the game, depending on which factions you side with.
5. Each of your companions, each town, and each faction will have a slew of different endings depending on the choices you make in the game.
6. The karma system is faction-specific now.
That’s just what I can think of off the top of my head. I found the New Vegas storyline much more compelling than the stupid recycled water storyline in 3, which irritated the living hell out of me.
I’ve played about 85 hours thus far in New Vegas, and I’m on my first playthrough. I beat the game once at about 65 hours, then reloaded a save I made right before I started the ending sequence so I could explore the rest of the world, and I missed a LOT of shit. The game world is unspeakably gigantic. There are so many locations to visit and so many places to re-visit as a higher level character that I could probably play this game for 200 hours very easily. I know a lot of people who beat the game once as a good karma character, then started over and beat it as an evil character.
The game definitely has its bugs (I’m playing on PC, and have experienced a few random game crashes and hang-ups), but my personal experience has been overwhelmingly positive. I’m a gigantic fan of the first two games — which you philistines should have already played if you’re looking for cheap, extremely entertaining fun — and New Vegas is much closer to the vision in those two games than 3 was.
I can’t speak to Ben’s decision about New Vegas vs. Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood, sadly. I played AC2, but I found the gameplay to be repetitive, and quit after I completely upgraded the town.
I know lots of people will say that New Vegas/3 have repetitive gameplay (which is a fair point…you do spend a lot of time auto-walking from place to place, or fast-traveling back to your safehouse), but I felt like I was doing busywork in AC2 when I’d go through the same motions every time to kill the same guards or chase down the same people. Frankly, I got sick and tired of the game auto-ninja-deciding that rather than jump over the roof, I needed to fall halfway down and then wall jump to some hand-hold on the opposite side. There are no god damned jumping puzzles in Fallout, so I will always love it more.
To your first point-- the makers of the Fallout games came out and said in multiple interviews that the game worlds for F3 and FNV are roughly the same size.
Your appreciation of it is probably due to the second point. There was more wasted space in F3.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
You're probably right.
That section should probably be amended to say “The accessible part of the game world”
I can agree with that, then.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
xx
That’s just what I can think of off the top of my head. I found the New Vegas storyline much more compelling than the stupid recycled water storyline in 3, which irritated the living hell out of me.
this is b/c its the writers/creative minds from the first 2 doing NV
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I was going to verify that on Wikipedia...
…but couldn’t find anything, so I left it out.
Also, I find New Vegas to be much funnier (everything Veronica says) and its evil text to be much more believable as well.
x
Oh man did I think the water purifyer story in FO3 was dumb. What I never understood is: so the fuck what if the Enlcave wants to run the purifyer instead of your Brotherhood buddies? The result is the same, right? Clean water? Why go to war over who gets to stand inside of the purifyer as it purifies?
The Enclave was going to use it to kill everything in the Capital Wasteland as a way to eradicate the super mutants.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
So instead of forcing you to gun them all down, they'd kill them for you?
I just don’t see the problem with just letting the Enclave do its thing.
Killing everything would include killing all of the people.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
It was going to kill E'rybody.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
Even in this case...
It’s a very black-or-white scenario. Enclave: BAD! Brotherhood: GOOD! It’s so stereotypical and stupid that I’m surprised they didn’t include a fire: HOT! option.
The most fun I had in that game was right at the very end with the robot.
Also, I’d like to add that although it irritates the hell out of me that both games don’t let you continue after beating the game, I found the forced ending in Fallout 3 to be much more obnoxious.
i need to get back to new vegas
quit playing for a couple of weeks …damn you finals!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
The tunnels did suck, but once you found where you needed to go once you could just transport.
So it didnt bug me as much
PLAY ON PC
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
bioshock?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Bioshock is the best game this generation.
I can’t wait for Infinite. Ken Levine is incredible.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
you must not have played mass effect 2...
heh
infinite looks awesome, but its no ME 2
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
ME2's story was disappointing.
ME had all of this new universe and unknown to it. ME2 was basically recruiting new people for one battle. It felt like a bridge to ME3. I still loved it, but I think Red Dead and ACB were better games this year.
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 8, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Red Dead was my favorite game this year.
Easily.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 8, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Ben, marginally employed?!
Holy cow.
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
by WestTxAg06 on Dec 8, 2010 8:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah...
I got fired from TD Ameritrade. Now I’m slumming it, trying to get my business plan for the beer store finished.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
3rd Base - the last stop before home!
THE RANGERS ARE FULL OF UNBELIEVEABLE SUCK GIVE UP NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER GOOD BYE.
"It has been said that baseball is to the United States what revolutions are to Latin America, a safety valve for letting off steam. I think baseball is more serious than any Latin American revolution. But, then, I am a serious fan." -- George F. Will
Uncharted 3 first look:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/12/09/uncharted-3-first-look/
I enjoyed the hell out of the first two games, and best of all, they had satisfying endings! No stupid cliffhangers or “to be continued…” endings. I am definitely looking forward to the third one.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
I never played Uncharted 1 or 2.
Sell me on the series.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
they had a chance to have malcom reynolds (Nathan Fillion) as drake in the movie
and went with mark wahlberg??? really?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah. Drake looks just like Nathan Fillion.
But since Mark Wahlberg is the bigger name, I am not surprised that they picked him. Stupid Hollywood.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
The best way I could descibe them is that they are like playing Indiana Jones.
They are cinematically gorgeous with beautiful locations like tropical islands, abandoned temples, and the Himalayas. The visuals are as close to movie quality as any game that I have played. The gameplay is a nice mix of shooting, puzzle solving, stealth, and climbing/jumping. The stories are good with a movie feel to them. There is a reason why the developers are trying to branch out into movies and books. The story is just that compelling. All in all, Uncharted 1 and 2 are two of my favorite games of all time. They both stand alone, so you can jump into the second one without playing the first one, but since the first one is cheaper, that’s where I would recommend starting.
Superman wears Josh Hamilton pajamas.
wish they are on PC/360
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
The games have an awesome story behind them.
Uncharted 2 is still the best looking game I have ever seen (outside of Crysis), and the gameplay is part Gears of War and part Assassins Creed. There are some great puzzles that you have to solve, as well.
Here’s the opening of the game. It’s the perfect example of why outside of Bioshock, it’s the best game this generation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7BAelqlxwI
Don't listen to me. I'm a fucking moron.
by hornedfrogs45 on Dec 9, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd really like to check out Uncharted...
….but man alive do I hate the PS3 controller. Only game I have on it is Gran Turismo Prologue, and I can barely stand to play it.
You have a ps3 and dont own mlb the show?
That game is the prime reason i got one.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
God I really want to watch that
But I just bought the game and I want to wait until I play the game.
New Vegas Question
Has anyone run in with the Brotherhood of Steel yet? I can’t seem to activate any of their quests and that Brotherhood of Steel bunker is just collapsed building past the locked door and I don’t have a key to the BOS abandoned sewer, or whatever it’s called. How do you open the BOS quests up?
i just went back a few times
but there are like 4 bunkers in hidden valley, make sure you go to all of them. theirs is the one that is directly west? of where you fast travel to @ hidden valley (the rock where you can stash stuff)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
you can get power armor from them if you finish their quest line
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
But how do you kick off their quests?
I have yet to encounter any living Brotherhood of Steel member (besides the chick that ditched them). I couldn’t find anywhere to take ED-E to them when they contacted me…
even if you click the quest and show on map?
hmmmm
i just kept going back until they let me in…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
im talking about the ED-E quest
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the map marker told me to go into the bunker that has collapsed ceiling behind the locked door.
Nothing ever happened, the BOS never showed themselves.
hmmm
glitch?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
You tried talking to them over the intercom and nothing happened?
There’s one specific bunker — directly west of where you land if you fast travel — that actually allows access. If this doesn’t work, you should be able to lockpick the door open (it showed up as red for me, even after gaining access) and get inside that way. I’m not sure if you can do their quests after lockpicking the door, however.
I activate intercom and it goes like this:
[You hear nothing]
“Hello?”
[You hear nothing]
‘Is anyone there?"
[You hear nothing]
“Guess I’ll be going now."
Weird. Really weird.
After they communicate with you via ED-E, you’re supposed to have a passphrase option to get inside.
I actually accidentally dropped ED-E off with the Followers of the Apocalypse and only tried to get in the bunker after that. It seems like you’ve had to deal with a lot of crazy glitches.
I found the dead Brotherhood guys after they told me to when they contacted me via ED-E.
And one of them had a password on them, but upon returning to Hidden Valley, it never worked. The intercom literally displayed “[You hear nothing.]” in brackets like that and everything.
I think Veronica is at that trader area on the highway intersection new New Vegas
If you get her you can walk right into Hidden Valley
Either you're not at the right bunker or there is a glitch.
Try going back with the BoS chick.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
There are a ton of BOS quests homie
The leader, a guy who wants to start a coup, and Veronica all have quests for you. I spent several hours doing all of their BS
Go to the scorpion area just SE of Black Mountain and find the two dead paladins.
That makes the whole thing a lot easier.
And you want the bunker with the stump on top.
Ever been in a boardroom, or a gang fight? Ever save a life? Ever won a court case against the odds? Ever held a dying buddy in your arms?.- jackanape on "perspective," 11/8/2010.
i assume your leveled up now
and have companions though…those scorpions can be bitches if your not leveled up very high and are alone
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Scorpions are no problem now.
I’m like level 22…I can roll through just about anything, as long as I’m not being ganged up on too badly.
...
In fact, I just modified a Hunting Rifle to add a scope and I can waste a ghoul with one shot from long range. It’s pretty satisfying.
heh riot shotgun, FTW!
i have a nice combo of riot shotgun, Q-35 (plasma), gauss rifle (FTW! best gun in the game for my kind of player) and then a laser RCW
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Where do you get the riot shotgun?
A bug made this woman who normally sits in this junkyard to go completely insane and hunt me down by Helios 1, so I killed her and took her shotgun – the Big Boomer. It’s double barreled, single shot and is pretty powerful. Can take more than half of a super mutant’s health off (even if armored) if you get in close and blast him in the face.
riot shotgun i think you have to have a 90+ guns (maybe 100?)
i may have gotten it at gun runners?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
That's the only place I've ever found it, outside of
a few high-level enemies who’ve randomly had it.
Gun Runners FTW.
who are your followers?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
x
Been rolling with ED-E and Cass. I can’t really figure out what Cass brings to the table, but I’m doing her side quest right now. When that’s done, I may do the Nightkin side quest then go back to Boone. I still can’t get his sidequest to start. No idea how to get it going.
i think cass basically allwos you to get more drunk w/o getting hungover heh
have to go see boone at night/talk to him when hes “on duty” at the t-rex
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
you can do that and get them?
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit i had no clue!!!!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
awesome.
this is great!!!!
then again i just found out if you hold down E you keep drinking water…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
But
If you have anything consumable at the suite, the people chilling out there will eat/drink it. Liquor, food, etc.
whaaaaaaaaaaaat
even if it is in a desk or whatever
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
heh ok then i usually dont have food anyway but thanks for passin that on
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Some people have suggested selling consumables
to the console you have in the presidential suite to prevent your other companions from using them. But yeah, that is a really, really stupid “feature”.
i have a nuka cola victory in my main suite and have left boon there for a couple of days
and he didnt take it? hmm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 11, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
I loved Boone's quest.
If you can’t get it to work, that’s a major shame. There are so many ways to handle his quest…absolutely a fantastically written series of plot points in the quest.
Boone’s companion perk is my favorite by far, but I preferred Cassidy’s combat abilities. I went the two-handed guns/sniper route, so her ability to take down enemies at medium/close range was great…until I found Veronica and got her a ballistic fist. So devastating.
JD still not on ben and skin...
and they are talking cowboys…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
wrong thread sorry
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions

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