LSB Community Prospect Project: Offseason Wrap Up
by Gdawg on Feb 12, 2010 7:59 PM CST
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After receiving 21% of 142 votes,Robbie Erlin has won the right to be called the Rangers #30 prospect!
The Final List:
#1. RHP Neftali Feliz
#2. LHP Martin Perez
#3. 1B Justin Smoak#4. RHP Tanner Scheppers
#5. RHP Michael Main
#6. LHP Robbie Ross
#7. RHP Wilmer Font
#8. RHP Danny Gutierrez
#9. RF/DH/1B Mitch Moreland
#10. LHP Kasey Kiker
#11. SS Jurick Profar
#12. C Max Ramirez
#13. RHP Blake Beavan
#14. RHP Pedro Strop
#15. CF Engel Beltre
#16. RHP Guillermo Moscoso
#17. RHP Omar Poveda
#18. C Tomas Telis
#19. RHP Joe Wieland
#20. OF Miguel Velazquez
#21. RHP Eric Hurley
#22. 3B Tommy Mendonca
#23. RHP Wilfredo Boscan
#24. LHP Michael Kirkman
#25. LHP Edwin Escobar
#26. RHP Neil Ramirez
#27 SS Luis Sardinas
#28 RHP Braden Tullis
#29 C Vin Difazio
#30 LHP Robbie Erlin
So we're finally done and hopefully D-Tron returns this season to do the midseason rankings.
Feel free to leave your own personal top 30 (or how many ever you feel like doing) in the comments section. The rankings are a bit interesting to say the least with how the voting process goes. My personal list looks a good deal different than this one.
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grouped rankings
Nefti
Perez-Smoak
Scheppers
Ross
Font
Main
DGut – drug bust knocks him down a peg or two
Profar – the hype’s got me dizzy
Max
Moreland
Kiker
Strop
Poveda
CWun
Beltre
Telis
Wieland
Boscan
Tullis
Sardinhas
Erlin
Hurley
Kirkman
Moscoso
Mendonca
Vazquez
DiFazio
NeRa
Escobar
Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.
Do you knock Telis down any
with the injury? My tiers are nearly identical to yours, though I mentally have Wieland, Bos,and Tullis at the top of that 4th group.
And I just lump Profar in with that 3rd group, just ahead of DGut who is in that group for me. I am hoping that by midseason Profar’s scouting reports have him firmly in group 2.
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Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
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Wow. your list has DiFaziGod and NeRa... And I had such high hopes for you, Cart-Boy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2010 2:24 AM CST up reply actions
This winters list was really all over the place
Main and Beavan for example, are a little too high, Hurley is NAP, and Z’s right about Sardinas being way too low if we’re gonna buy into the Profar hype machine.
I’d prolly rank em…
1) Feliz
2) Perez
3) Smoak
4) Schepps
5) Font
6) Ross
7) Main
8) Gutz
9) Profar
10) Moreland
-———————
11) Sardinas
12) Kiker
13) Strop
14) Moscoso
15) Wieland
16) MaxRam
17) Beltre
18) Miggy V
19) Poveda
20) Boscan
21) Beavan
22) DoncaKong
23) Eddie E
24) Kirkman
25) Tullis
That’s without Beltre and Ogando, who I’d prolly put in the mid-to-high teens off the top of my head. As you can see, I tend to rank some of these guys in bunches, such as the prospective relievers (Kiker, Strop, Moscoso) the raw, toolsy OF’s (Beltre and Miggy V) and the can’t-K-anybody squad (Poveda, Boscan, Beavan) since they seem to have pretty similar upside at this stage.
After Beavan or Mendonca I think you can pretty much just throw names at the wall in any order you like, theres so much raw upside to choose from.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Id say lets give Poveda a little longer before declaring him a "can't K anybody"
Before this season he has consistently been a 8+ K/9 guy.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's why I have him ahead of Boscan and Beavan.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Boscan was doing a pretty good job of k'ing dudes before the injury, fwiw.
And I think putting Poveda ahead of C-Wun and Boscan is pretty silly (especially C-Wun), but time will tell on that.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 13, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I pretty much hate Beavan, see.
I forget which prospect guru who said he wasn’t much more than a long reliever (think it was Goldstein on BBTiA awhile back) but I agree. Mediocre pitcher with a first round pedigree.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
C-Wun sucks
until he can prove he can miss some bats.
Even if he goes to his old mechanics, he may not be able to become a quality ML pitcher, but at least he may have a better chance to miss bats. That may or may not happen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I view Boscan much like Max
we need to see how he comes back from the injury before getting too down on him.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
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Favorites to make the mid-season list after failing to make the offseason list
Jose Monegro - 13.9 K/9, 1.9 BB/9 as a 19 yo in 2010. Heavy, low-90’s fastball and developing 12-to-6 curve ball. His prospect status will depend on whether he gets plugged into a starting rotation.
Richard Alvarez – BA saw fit to rank him #12 in the Arizona Rookie League. He should follow the Martin Perez track and pitch as a starter in Spokane at the age of 17. Fastball velocity will dictate how much hype he gets in 2010.
Neil Ramirez – He was awful in 2009, though his numbers improved month-to-month – 7.13 FIP in June, 5.25 FIP in July, 3.85 FIP in August. If he is healthy and repeats in HIckory, his pitching line should be impressive.
NeRa was #26?!?
You guys are friggin’ crazy! Did anyone notice how bad he was in 2009?
Well, since I screwed that one up, I’ll give you my fourth.
Marcus Lemon – Regardless of whether he starts the season in Frisco or Oklahoma, he will be among the youngest players in the league at the age of 22. He’s added weight/strength and tore up the AFL (.343/.389/.627).
I certainly didn't vote him 26
He certainly shouldn’t be that high.
I agree on Lemon, I haven’t been ulta high on him like the dtron has but you have to consider just how young he is for his level.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
everybody in our system seems young for their level
If I gave Lemon any credit, it would be if he has bulked up a bit and added the pop that we saw in the AZ fall league.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Gnarly dude.
I really, really like that about this system.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Lemon
He’s better than some give him credit. But yeah you are right, many seem to be young for their level which perhaps makes people dismiss age some.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Considering Lemon's AFL launchpad performance
he’s a guy I’m curious about in 2010. Did he find something?
Rangers pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report on Thursday, February 18.
hopefully it's not adderal he found
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Most likely to rise by mid-season
Engel Beltre – If he repeats Bakersfield, his hand is fully healed, and he’s added strength during the offseason, then Beltre could finally start to hit for power as has been projected. Improved power will translate to a higher BABIP (he was unlucky with a .283 BABIP in 2009) and provide a hige boost to his anemic 2009 OPS.
Braden Tullis – Young and new to pitching, Tullis looks to be the guy who is most likely to make significant improvements in 2010. He will likely be put on the 4-seamer program and show improved fastball velocity. He also seems likely to start in the pitcher-friendly SAL, so his numbers should sparkle and he will get seen and hyped by the Dirkatron.
Vin Difazio – If he begins 2010 in Bakersfield, then he will benefit from playing in the Cal League which favors patient power hitters. A 900+ OPS catcher will get noticed regardless of his age.
Ogando and Beltre
With plus stuff and likely limited to the bullpen, the two Dominicans presumably slot alongside Pedro Strop. Three relievers in the Top 15 is usually a sign of a weak minor league system, but I am very excited to see the Rangers with potential difference makers for their bullpen in the upper minors.
Beltre
With Gutierrez’s suspension opening up a spot in the Frisco rotation for the first roughly 2 months do you think the Rangers will give Beltre a shot to start?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'd rather they pitch in the 'pen
their innings were both very minimal last season. Perhaps we can stretch them out later, but I would think their role on this team is with the bullpen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I hope so with Beltre
OTOH, we have no idea of the level of either of these guys stamina, so…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
What's Frisco rotation candidates look like?
I thought Bleier was going to have trouble finding a spot before the Gutz suspension..
Frisco
Perez, Scheppers, Beavan are the locks
Gutierrez will be once his suspension is up
I think Bleier gets the bump as the 5th man with Main not too far behind
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Agreed on the first three
I think that Gomez will be in the rotation as well.
Without Gutierrez in the mix, I think that the fifth spot will go to one of Michael Main, Richard Bleier, and Michael Kirkman. If Main looks strong in Spring Training, I think the organization will bump him to AA so that he doesn’t have to deal with the Cal League again. If Kirkman is deemed not quite ready or if the AAA rotation is over-booked, then I think that he begins in the Frisco. If Kirkman looks strong and Main doesn’t go gangbusters in Spring Training, then I think they default to Bleier.
Forgot about Kirkman
Knew I was missing someone. Yeah it doesn’t look like there will be any room for Beltre to start the season.
I agree about Main also. God it will be so nice to get out of that hellhole Bakersfield
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
this is most likely our last year in Bakersfield -- thank God
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Nadel, in 4 years....
Vinny gives the sign. Font sets…. and fires. Hard smash between 3rd and short.
Great play by Elvis!
Over to Profar. Profar to Smoak… He got him!
Hello win column! And the Rangers have clinched their fourth consecutive World Series!
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Kinsler must be playing 3rd and Davis at DH
"Hell's frozen over, Pigs are flying! The Saints have won the Super Bowl"
Kinsler will be a FA
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 14, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm....
1) Feliz
2) Perez
3) Smoak
4) Scheppers
5) Main
6) Font
7) Ross
8) Gutierrez
9) Moreland
10) Ramirez
11) Profar
12) Kiker
13) Wieland
14) Beltre
15) Poveda
16) Beavan
17) Strop
18) Moscoso
19) Sardinas
20) Boscan
Of course I reserve the right to change my mind every hour. This system is just loaded. I don’t want to go past 20 because it would just be like picking from a group of 12-15 names out of a hat for me. I’ll leave that for the experts like Shroom, Cole, Joey, David, Trip, Z, et al.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Jeez, I've been forgetting to post this... My 40 Trumps all.
1. RHP, Neftali Feliz.
2. LHP, Martin Perez.
3. 1b, Justin Smoak.
4. RHP, Tanner Scheppers.
5. RHP, Wilmer Font.
6. LHP, Robbie Ross.
7. SS, Jurickson Profar.
8. RHP, Michael Main.
9. RHP, Blake Beavan. (You’ll disagree. C-Wun, however, will find this the best prospect list he’s ever seen.)
10. LHP, Kasey Kiker.
11. OF, Engel Beltre.
12. SS, Luis Sardinas.
13. OF, Mitch Moreland.
14. RHP, Daniel Gutierrez. (Afraid he’ll end up a RP + makeup/suspension.)
15. RHP, Matt Thompson.
16. RHP, Richard Alvarez.
17. SS, Marcus Lemon.
18. C/1b, Max Ramirez. (Injury + 1b worries … still holding out hope in that bat.)
19. RHP, Joe Wieland.
20. LHP, Edwin Escobar.
21. RHP, Eric Hurley. (Really hard to rank the injured guys…)
22. RR, Pedro Strop.
23. RHP, Guillermo Moscoso.
24. LHP, Michael Kirkman.
25. RHP, Omar Beltre. (Total wildcard… think he ends up a reliever.)
26. OF, Miguel Velazquez.
27. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan.
28. SS, Leury Garcia.
29. 3b, Tommy Mendonca.
30. C, Jorge Alfaro.
31. OF, Craig Gentry.
32. LHP, Robert Erlin.
33. RHP, Andrew Doyle.
34. C, Tomas Telis. (TJS for young raw defene C, sigh… Was ~20 pre injury.)
35. RHP, Alexi Ogando. (See: Beltre, Omar.)
36. RHP, Omar Poveda.
37. RHP, Carlos Pimentel
38. OF, Mike Bianucci.
39. RR, Fabio Castillo.
40. RHP, Jake Brigham.
I probably forgot someone or double-listed, but whatever…
Others of note:
Nexus of Suck, Neil Ramirez.
RHP, Kennil Gomez.
RHP, Braden Tullis.
RHP, Nick McBride.
RHP, Jose Monegro.
RHP, Shawn Blackwell.
RHP, Tae Kyung Ahn.
RHP, Kyle O’Campo.
RHP, Carlos Melo.
RR, Warner Madrigal.
LHP, Tim Murphy.
LHP, Paul Strong.
LHP, Chad Bell.
LR, Zach Phillips.
LR, Yoon Hee Nam.
C, Guy Incognito.
C, Da Fazi God.
C, Macumba.
C, Doug Hogan.
1b/LF, Chad Tracey.
1b, Clark Murphy.
SS, Edwin Ramirez.
3b, Matt West.
CF, Ruben Sierra, Jr.
CF, The Latin Wind.
CF, Braxton Lane.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
They're both total wildcards.
We know next to nothing about either dude at this point. You could flip-flop those rankings and I’d believe you.
I just get the feeling Ogando’s a bit more raw at this point, and given all the time they’ve both missed I don’t know if either of them has got time to figure things out.
Also, the difference between 25 and 35 isn’t as great as maybe it seems.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Tullis
deserves to be higher than 40.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
It was between him and Brigham for the 40th spot.
He’s the kind of guy where I’m not sure we’ll know what we have until he’s pitching in Frisco.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 16, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
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