Monday a.m. Rangers stuff
I'm back, to a quiet Monday, with pitchers and catchers reporting later this week...I'm ready for spring training to start...
T.R. Sullivan says that a big focus this spring will be determining who the starting catcher is, with Ron Washington having said that both Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Taylor Teagarden will have a chance to win the starting job. Sullivan also says that the Rangers want to install a winning mindset, and need to improve their defense, which, he says, was 12th in fielding last year.
This highlights the problems with using fielding percentage as a measure of quality of defense...the Rangers were one of the best defensive teams in baseball last year, in terms of converting balls in play into outs. The Rangers weren't the 12th best defensive team in the A.L. in 2009...they were one of the top 3 or 4. While reducing errors would be a good thing, it is important to remember that this was a strong defensive club in 2009.
Richard Durrett takes a look at the Rangers' centerfield situation, which is primarily Julio Borbon, who will be asked to replace Marlon Byrd. Borbon should be better than Byrd, range-wise, but has a weaker arm, which I know has some folks concerned about runners taking liberties on him.
And David Brown takes a look at what the Rangers will be running out there against LHPs in 2010, and thinks that the Rangers' performance against lefties could go from a weakness to a strength this year.
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Good morning
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Good stuff wash
Playing baseball better
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Yep...
the Rangers were one of the best defensive teams in baseball last year, in terms of converting balls in play into outs.
Thanks Lord Andrus.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
And Kinsler
Kinsler went from -8.1 UZR/150 to +9.6. That’s a huge swing, actually a bigger improvement than the change from Young to Andrus at SS in the same two years (-5.4 to 11.7).
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
True...
forgot about how great Ian was defensively last year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
and Nellie in RF for a full season over MB
and whoever else we threw out there before
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Nellie sucked in RF, he took bad routes, and the eyes do not deceive
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
5,4,3,2,1....
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
But his UZR!!!!
blah blah
He was fine in the field and better at the plate. Nelly Cruz is not the problem.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
The Gut is Nelly's problem
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
It did seem that
he took bad routes from time to time (of course that opinion is based off the TV broadcast…maybe it looked different in person) BUT, I don’t recall any of those bad routes turning into a hit that should have been an out.
I like Nellie’s deceptive speed and his cannon of an arm in RF. He might not be the OF’r that UZR says he is, but I don’t think he “sucked in RF” either.
by ncrangerfan on Feb 15, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Cruz is polarizing as a player in every way.
He has immense physical gifts but he’s not a smart player and that’s probably why it took so long for him to finally make it in The Show. He doesn’t seem like a dummy away from the field and his dad is some kind of journalist in the DR but he’s not a smart ballplayer.
You’ll see mouth-watering defensive plays along with a lot of stupidity (misguided routes, overthrows, throws to the wrong bases, overrunning the ball).
It’s the same thing on offense. He’s a bad-ass at the plate and can hit the ball a mile but he does a lot of really stupid unexplainable shit (like not hitting LH pitching in The Show).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
If he starts calling people "Meat" it will ruin Bull Durham for me....
Josey doesn’t bother me and I kinda like the guy, but if he does that to me I’ll join the other side and start wearing a “Fuck Josey” t-shirt.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 15, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
That's the point so many people seem to miss
Its not like he shouldn’t try taking better routes, but the bottom line is that it never really hurt the team. I’m sure there were a few hits that landed that shouldn’t have, but every OF makes those mistakes at least a handful of times throughout the year. Its one of the few areas of his game that needs to improve and I have little doubt in my mind that he won’t work on it, but its not like its preventing him from being a great defensive OF.
And like you said, most of this is based off watching games on TV. Its no guarantee that those bad routes weren’t just poorly televised.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I'll add this
I sat in RF a lot last year, and Nelly can often get a horrible jump on the ball. I don’t think he reads the ball off the bat well at all, and I wonder if he sometimes misses signals about where the ball is going.
More than once a ball was hit our way and I was convinced that Nelly just wasn’t paying attention…and then he started to move.
Of course, this is entirely anecdotal and it’s possible that none of that hurt the team (although I recall one particular instance that allowed a run), but it’s that kind of stuff that adds to the perception that he is lazy and/or a dumb ballplayer.
meta-signature
I haven't seen him make that many bad routes
but I watch most of my games on TV. I don’t think its completely wrong that he takes bad routes, but remember that he also is a late bloomer and a guy who only started playing baseball at age 18. I think he’s a lot like Hamilton who people were down on after a poor defensive season in 08. The more playing time he gets and the more mistakes he might make to learn from, the more likely he will end up improving on those mistakes. Luckily for us, Cruz has the athleticism to make up for most of the bad routes he takes.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Fair point
I know this topic is typically verboten on this board, so thanks for taking my comment at face value.
I think you’re right that Nellie’s athleticism can make up for any shortcomings he has on the field, real or imagined. I wonder if we won’t see a regression in his defensive metrics as a result. I also don’t disagree that he had a good season in the field last year – a position I have come around on after spending time with you people. I’m still skeptical about UZR as a stat, but I don’t deny that it has value.
Having said all that, isn’t it true that UZR is a results stat and thus not predictive? There’s all kinds of speculation in this thread and elsewhere about whether or not various players (esp. Kinsler) will regress in the field, and I don’t know of a fielding statistic that’s known to be predictive (although I am admittedly ignorant in this area, mostly due to my skepticism of fielding statistics).
If that’s true, isn’t fair to use the “eyeball test,” as much as some in the room hate that methodology? I’m especially interested in the thoughts of those who scoff at the Nelson Cruz discussions.
meta-signature
UZR is definitely not perfect
and is more a result of what happened rather than being a perfect predictor, but Cruz’s UZR in the past helps prove last season’s stats. Its basically 2 seasons worth of data now showing that Cruz is a very strong RF and the eyeball test (at least for me) doesn’t do anything to make me disbelieve that. He’s got a great arm and great speed in the OF to get to a lot of balls. Like its been said, he’s taken some bad routes to the ball, but his UZR shows that it either A) doesn’t have a negative effect on still making it to the ball or B) that he gets to so many balls in RF, that they greatly outnumber his mistakes.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Thanks
And I hope I didn’t imply that my eyeball test should be the standard. I’m far from a scout.
I do fear a regression. If not this year, then a year or two down the road. If I’m not mistaken, Nellie is 29, and it won’t be long before he’s not able to rely on speed and/or athleticism to cover up fundamental mistakes. For the record, I hope I’m wrong.
It’s worth noting that tyd3311 wrote Frankie P. an email asking for a scout’s opinion on this subject. He posted a FanShot about it.
meta-signature
It's like getting all over a great player who doesn't hustle every play.
If you want Manny Ramirez (in his prime) to play harder and smarter in all phazes because you think he could be even better, that makes sense. If you think he’s a menace to your team because he doesn’t hustle and don’t realize that he’s so good at everything else he’s awesome despite the idiocy, you’re dumber than he is.
Correct
Parodying some of our friends…
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
sorry.. AIDs?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
they still capitalize the 's' right?
cuz getting AID doesn’t seem like a problem
by kevinkinsler on Feb 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Well
it is apparently a problem when the AID becomes plural…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Live Aids?
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Yea.....I would think a syndrome is pretty important.
Let’s go with the capital “S”.
Wash is an idiot!!
TR needs to go crawl into a small hole and die.
Or just plain go away.
The dude has to be one of the most ignorant team writers in MLB. He writes stuff that doesn’t make sense half the time. I mean he’s decent at getting breaking news out, but other than that, he’s useless.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Give the guy a break
he’s not the only non-saber writer out there. The article wasn’t bad for a “catch fans up to the current situation” article a few days before spring training. You have to remember his target audience isn’t a crowd of baseball snobs.
And when I see someone write “finished 12th in fielding” it is pretty clear they’re using fielding percentage, just like “finished 8th in pitching” means ERA and “finished 4th in hitting” uses batting average. Yeah, it isn’t representative. Saying “among the worst clubs defensively” would be wrong. But “12th in fielding” is strictly speaking, accurate.
Go Rice Owls!
Dude, this is the internet
nothing is ever so-so, it’s either effin’ awesome or impossibly stupid.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Exactly
you read the stuff you do because you like advanced sabers
other people read the stuff they do because they don’t care about said sabers…
If you hate his articles so much, quit reading them. Free will brotha…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Sabers
Yeah, I’m more of an epee man myself…
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
Cutlasses
Are the only way to go……
Been on the bandwagon for 35 years... when do we get our parade?
by GMCM in Memphis on Feb 15, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Beat me to it, I guess.
But yeah, I’ll take a broad sword. I can’t pick it up, but I don’t think anyone wants to chance that I might.
Nothing like a Battle Axe
For sheer intimidation. But if you are desparate to kill someone and don’t have access to modern weaponry, I suggest a long bow. Its remarkably difficult to get hit by an opponent with a sword when you are 100 yards away.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
The knights slaughtered at Agincourt say "this"
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
I saw a neat program
couple weeks ago on the battle of Aquitaine. The guy was showing just how hard it is to draw one of those things, the incredible arm and shoulder strength it takes. They had the best longbowman in the world take some shots and it went right through armor at considerable distances.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
The Longbow
was THE secret weapon of the English during the medieval period. Its the main reason why knights went from chain mail, to plate armor, to extinct. When an arrow can pierce high grade steel and still embed itself into your chest, then there’s no point to wearing 200 pounds of metal. I wonder if they’ve ever tested the long bow against kevlar? Probably…..
They have, and a longbow will easily pierce it: Yahoo Answers
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I'll use a gun
like Indiana Jones cutting down the flashy sword bearer in the first movie.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Best scene in the history of the movies.
I like how maybe Harrison Fords two most badass film moments were him improvising a cheap finish to the scene because he was tired.
Is the 2nd one you are referencing
Star Wars, I love you, I know…?
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Empire Strikes Back
They shot multiple attempts at Leia saying “I love you!” and Han saying “I love you, too.” And it just wouldn’t come out right. The whole cast started getting more and more frustrated.
Finally, Kershner just says “alright, we’re going to stop with this take,” and Ford just wearily busts out “I know” in response to “I love you.”
Kershner decided it was perfect. Which, of course, it was.
Didn't read
ASL’s post above close enough.
Agree, I absolutely love that scene
“Screw it, I’ll just shoot you and be done with it.”
Absolute greatness and a total Indiana Jones move.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Harrison made two iconic characters so much his own that he knew them better than his own directors.
Not saying much for Irvin Kershner, but a ton for Steven Spielberg.
He actually was sick that day
They had this huge fight scene planned out but he wasn’t up to it so that was result.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I have heard
that swords don’t work with TAG (that’s Target Acquisition Gear, not Thomas Alan Grieve).
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Yup
Being the team reporter on MLB.com is writing for the lowest common denominator fan, the ones who read <5 articles a year, the ones who are still complaining about pitching.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I don't think we should give TR a break.
He’s a combo platter of not being very good & not giving a shit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
As opposed to you
who at least gives a shit…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's people like you who complete the "Josey Wales" of this world
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Nah
when you are that self-involved, you don’t need people to complete you
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Josey Maguire
“I complete me.”
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 15, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
The Poo Poo Platter, if you will
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I like it, but that one's taken
You’ll see it pop up a lot come tradin’ season, when someone will suggest that Moreland-Schlact-Beltre-Madrigal-and a Furcalito to be named later can get us Mauer.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Not like I expect too much from TR
but it was clear to everyone, including the non-saber guys that the Rangers had a great defense last year. TR’s article makes it sound like the defense was still a problem last year when the reality is that the only room for improvement is to take it to that gold standard level Wash mentioned.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Exactly.
It’s not the guy’s style I’m knocking, it’s his ineptitude toward delivering toward a wide array of baseball fans, rather than just the average Rangers fan who glances at news on occasion, as opposed to obsessively, like us.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Feb 15, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I must say that I'm surprised by this offseason in one regard.
I very much believed that in order to improve the front end of the rotation, they would have to trade some prospects. While it sucks to lose steady (ie predictable), middle-to-back rotation performance from Millwood, I am still amazed the Rangers increased their SP talent without trading talent away.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Just looking at last year's opening day rotation the question becomes -
Millwood/Padilla versus Harden/Lewis. Only time will tell. I think Harden’s health and IP will be the deciding factor.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
While I am excited about the ceiling of Harden/Lewis v. Millwood/Padilla, I think I am more excited that there's no longer a psychopath in the mix
If something happens with Harden, it’s likely an injury and I can deal with that, it’s to be expected. If something happens with Lewis, it’s likely because he’s struggling returning from Japan, and he’s not on a big contract so that’s something that can be dealt with as well.
But, we don’t have to worry about a pitcher blowing a game because he’s decided he’s not interested in trying to win and would just rather go headhunting instead.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
That was choice...
but seems to have been overlooked – …there’s no longer a psychopath in the mix. Most excellent.
Don't ever let your sister move in with you. - thedirkatron
Harden/Feldmania > Harden/Lewis
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 15, 2010 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
actually its
Millwood/Padilla/Feldman/Holland/McCarthy vs Harden/Lewis/Feldman/Holland/McCarthy
but the Feldman/Holland/McCarthy cancels out. McCarthy should be about the same, Holland vastly improved, and Feldman will probably take a step back.
If our pitching is exactly the same as last year we should win an extra 5+ games from the offense alone. If our pitching improves… well…..
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Actually, it was
Millwood/Padilla/McCarthy/Benson/Harrison. If you can believe that.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Thanks
I had blocked out Kris Benson, Rangers pitcher, and now you’ve brought it back. THE HORROR!!!! the nightmares! Its worse than spiders! http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hillgl01.shtml and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191397/
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I love this opening day rotation
Last year, it was about the veterans being able to be LAIE and the young guys holding their own to round out the rotation. This year, there is some true TORP potential for this year and not just the future. Plus, the Rangers have SP depth!!! How long have we waited to finally be able to say we have SP depth.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
help
What does LAIE stand for?
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Predictably unfun to watch
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Predictable yes. Predictably good? no.
I predict that Millwood will start 30 games and have an ERA of 5.00 or worse. Anyone wanna bet me the under?
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
If he was in Texas I would say he would probably be in the 4.50-5.00 range
Pitching in Baltimore in 2010 I think he will be alot closer to 5.00 than 4.50
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It seems to me like he bounced back and forth a lot.
Solid first half, awful second half, some other mixed in here and there.
I was thinking along the lines of his aggregate numbers.
He’s predictably meh. Which is OK out of the 4th or 5th starter.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Countdown Timer?
I think a week of such things would be very good.
"…although it does kinda show how little faith they have in Cruz, whether that be the org as a whole or just our beloved, bespectacled, kool-lovin’ skipper."
by Ryin A on Jan 11, 2010 5:48 PM EST
So, with the roster set minus a 25th man, I'm wondering what folks here think would be best approaches to deal with crisis situations should they emerge
(1) For example, suppose Vald’s knee collapses in April and requires 4 months of healing. What would you like the Rangers to do?
(2) Same idea but exchange Vlad’s knee with Josh Hamilton’s back.
(3) Suppose frankfrank and CJ are injured at the same time. How should the Rangers lock down the back of their bullpen?
(4) What if Elvis severely strains a groin or sprains an ankle? How much would that hurt the Rangers’ run prevention, and what should they do about it?
(5) What if Harden is done for the season in April?
Crisis management is where I really think judgement on the sustainability of this period of promise can be made, since, if we are confident the Rangers have accurately assessed the talent level and expected production level of their personnel, what will really matter is how they handle their resources during and mitigate the fallout from crisis periods.
Personally, I think (5) and (1) would have the least detrimental impacts.
I think (4) would require a trade (maybe for Omar) and doing so would take a highly regarded prospect out of the system.
(2) and (3) could be dealt with internally, but doing so also adds downside risk compared to making a trade. The analysis of whether the Rangers are better off with a trade would be tricky to assess.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
Lets see
1 – Bring in another OF to allow DH to be split amongst the OF positions for 2 months or so. Ideally MaxRam bounces back, so he’s internal candidate number 1. If not, then Smoak by mid June / July.
2 – Murphy just gets more playing time and another OF comes up.
3 – Feliz goes in there, probably as closer. Enough high ceiling bullpen candidates to fill in the gaps (Strop, Moscoso, etc)
4 – Ugh. I think Elvis getting injured is a worst case scenario. Throw up your arms and hope pitchers start K’ing guys more.
5 – I’m not that worried about this – there are lots of starter options.
Go Rice Owls!
Yeah, 4 scares the hell out of me.
I doubt Elvis is our best player, or even maybe top 5, in 2010, but I think his loss hits us harder than others.
That thought never crossed my mind. But, now that you bring it up, I feel a little jittery also.
Hopefully, it’s just my caffeine overdose. </good humored chuckle soundtrack>
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
before I read other peoples replies I will give my own
for each crisis mentioned I will list an internal and an external solution:
1) Our internal option for Vlad going out is simple: Push Smoak. even if you don’t do that you maybe ride Max Ramirez, David Murphy, et all for a month and then promote Smoak in May.
External solutions? not too hard. trade for Jack Cust or Jim Thome or maybe even Mike Lowell.
2) With Hamilton’s back, the options are different. Obviously since Ham is an outfielder, you could go with Brandon Boggs, or Craig Gentry (do we still have Golson? I forget). Also you could reach down and bring up Mitch Moreland or Engel Beltre depending. It would obviously mean more David Murphy in the outfield…. Externally, probably Rocco Baldelli. Just not Juan Pierre.
3) Bullpen injury problems? Very easy. Internally, Feliz could close with O’Day and Oliver sharing setup chores. And don’t forget Snyder and Ray. Strop and Madrigal could be brought up to fill out the pen. I don’t even want to consider external solutions.
4) With Elvis out we’ll see way too much Khalil Greene, but that should be ok as long as Elvis is not out for too long. Greene is not like Vizquel in that he won’t kill you if you have to leave him in for a month. Arias or even Marcus Lemon could be the backup. Externally, you could make a major deal, but I think the team will leave Greene there and look to pick up a backup.
5) Harden out is the easiest of all. The Rangers have like 8 or 9 options for their rotation, and I think they are expecting Harden to miss some time… getting nothing from him would suck, but not kill the team.
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interesting to think about
1) My guess is that the team waits on Smoak showing that he is ready. That might be when Vlad goes down or it might be a few weeks later. If Smoak looks like he might need another 4-5 weeks or so in the minors, then they’ll probably bring up someone like Matt Brown and try a platoon DH for a while. If Max shows he’s healthy and able to hit in ST, he could get a shot at the full-time DH job too.
2) You have an OF of Murphy/Borbon/Cruz and call up Boggs to help out. Not an ideal situation, but you can play the splits to make sure that you are getting something offensively and you still have the defensive production from that OF.
3) I’m not worried about the bullpen until the rotation gets struck by injuries. The Rangers have enough live arms to throw out there where someone is bound to work out. Holland/Feliz could be in the bullpen to begin the season anyways, Mathis has shown that he can be successful in that role, and Snyder can be your LOOGY. Between Moscoso, Nippert, Madrigal, Strop, and Ray, there’s a solid and healthy arm or two there. And the Rangers still have good candidates in the minors to come up and help the bullpen at some point in the year. Kiker, Beltre, Ogando, and Scheppers are the first ones that come to mind.
4) Elvis getting hurt would suck a lot. I’m not much of a fan of the Rangers internal candidates. You could move the IF around with Davis at 3B, Young at SS, and call up Smoak/Ramirez to play 1st. Otherwise, you’re looking at Arias or Greene to do what Elvis does defensively. Depending on the length of the injury and the Rangers place in the standings, a trade is probably the way to go.
5) If Harden’s done, the gamble you took on him unfortunately didn’t work out, but the Rangers have built SP depth for a reason. I like the rotation with a healthy Harden at the top a lot better than without him, but I’m fine rolling with the Rangers other options.
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Cool.
1) How is Smoak doing?
2) I guess we’re calling up Boggs and playing Murphy in left. I think that one’s pretty easy.
3) Beginning of the year I’m just dandy giving high-leverage innings to Feliz. And probably O’Day or Moscoso.
4) It would hurt a ton and we should probably have signed someone who can play shortstop competently. I’m okay with Greene on the bench, I’m not okay with him starting. So, yeah, this one would suck.
5) Then that didn’t work out. Oh well. Also, I think 5 and 2 are the least detrimental, unless Hamilton is in full 2008 mode.
Hmm
Boggs had offseason surgery to repair a dislocated shoulder and will likely have to take it slow in drills.
I think that was #2 for him…google has let me down on confirming.
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1. Not let David Murphy play vs. lefties. Get him a platoon partner.
2. Not let David Murphy play vs. lefties. Get him a platoon partner.
3. Feliz.
4. If he’s out for an extended period of time, this is the most crippling one in my estimation. Counting on Khalil Greene every day would suck.
5. Dutch gets called up.
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Realistic question:
Isn’t it possible that the Rangers go back to their good hitting, poor pitching status quo this year?
All it would really take is for Harden to get hurt early on and regression from guys like Feldman and Hunter. And Colby Lewis having a rougher transition that the projection systems think he will have. None of those things, individually, seem that outlandish. Sure, the strength of the Rangers pitching staff is in it’s depth, but that puts even more pressure on a guy like Holland to front a rotation without Harden and regression from the others. Even in the bullpen, there’s potential regression for CJ and O’Day and injury concerns for Frank (plus age issues for Oliver). Now assuming all of those things will happen, especially without any positive regression/development from others (HOLLLAND! HOLLAND! HOLLAND!), seems unrealistically cynical, but it is within the realm of possibility.
On the other hand, there seems to be a lot of cause for optimism among the hitters. Possible (and likely) positive regression from players like Hamilton and Kinsler combined with development of Davis, Salty and Elvis would seem to more than counteract the coming regression from Young. Add in the boom/bust potential in Vlad with Max and Smoak soon to be ready in the minors, and their seems to be a lot to like there.
The one caveat to all of this is that I expect the Rangers defense to remain quite good this year. There’s even potential for improvement, although one wonders if small improvements across the board will be lost in a regression from Kinsler.
But still, even if the ERA is lower than “The Dark Years of Rangers Pitching”, I expect a fair amount of that to be due to positive FIP-ERA gaps. So the question remains, is it really that silly to ask if the Rangers will return to their “Hitters Outperforming Pitchers” style that we’re all so accustomed to?
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it's definitely not out of the questions
but like you said, defense is the biggest intangible. There are so many IFs again going into this season. Ultimately, the Rangers have a shot to win the division this year. Things still have to fall right and we have to stay away from injuries which seems very difficult with the likes of Kinsler, Hamilton, Vlad, Harden and McCarthy. I’m optimistic that enough cards will fall our way, but it’s still going to be an uphill battle.
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I think it’s not unrealistic to expect: Harden to be much better than Millwood, Hunter to regress, Lewis to be average, Feldman to sustain and Holland to progress. Could be a zero sum, but it would not shock me if this staff, especially Feldman and Hunter, to not be as good as in 2009.
by FuturePants on Feb 15, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Why would Feldman regress?
His ERA of 4.08 and FIP of 4.31 are pretty close. His 17 wins probably aren’t representative of those numbers but I don’t see him being a huge candidate for regression.
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Because...
..he had a jump of almost 1 K/9 last year and still only had a 5.39 K/9. He also had small improvements in BB/9 (3.33 to 3.08) and BABIP (.283 to .275). Sure, it could be that this was due to true improvement in performance (especially the K/9), but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think his FIP could rise this year and that his ERA will be much closer to it.
Also, while a 4.08 ERA from Feldman again this year would be fine, there’s really not too much room for regression before he becomes a guy you’re not exactly thrilled by in the No.2 spot.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
A 4.08 ERA/4.31 FIP isn't too shabby
That ERA was good for a 114 ERA+. That’s right around what I’d expect for a number 2 guy. If he ups the IP to get over the 200 innings mark, would you have a problem with that from your number 2 guy? And at the risk of being called out for cherry picking numbers, remember that Feldman had a 3.62 ERA going into his September 24th start. That’s not to say we should exclude those starts, but that shows how a couple of bad starts shouldn’t change your opinion on him being fine in the #2 spot.
Feldman I think is also more likely to improve or stay the course than regress. Look at what he was able to do between 08 and 09 and you can even look at his 1st half/2nd half splits from last year. He might get injured and try to pitch through it, but a healthy Feldman is going to at least repeat 2009.
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don't forget
to remove the 6.1 innings as a reliever at the beginning of the season where he had an ERA of 12.15 From April 25th to September 19th, his ERA was 3.28 over 170 innings.
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It's true that a 4.08 ERA isn't bad for a No.2
I even said that:
Also, while a 4.08 ERA from Feldman again this year would be fine,
My point was, say his FIP regresses to 4.5, but his ERA ends up being much closer to his FIP this year. A 4.5 ERA from the No.2 spot isn’t ideal.
And as for your ‘cherry-picking’, while it isn’t that bad, you should look at his peripherals as well. Here as his month by month BABIP, FIP, ERA according to fangraphs (I threw out April because he of the starter/reliever thing):
May: .212, 3.89, 2.70
Jun: .246, 5.28, 4.33
Jul: .269, 4.82, 3.72
Aug: .336, 2.83, 2.89 (incidentally, this month he had an outlier with 8.2 K/9!)
Sep: .293, 4.26, 5.45
So, 3 out of 5 months with an FIP over 4.2. It just makes me wonder if we would all feel so comfortable with Feldman in the No.2 spot if it weren’t for that month of artificially supressed 2.70 ERA that helped hold down his numbers the rest of the year.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I love it when a guy does the opposite of what his advanced stats say he should do
Cause so many people start looking for reasons to hate on him
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Lets also remember...
Feldman has been a starting pitcher for 2 years, is still adding pitches, and is still gaining endurance.
It’s not like he was drafted as a starter, went through the minors as a starter, and came up as a starter — he hadn’t started since college.
I vaguely remember hearing that he was working on a curveball throughout the year and August he seemed to be clicking with it. While it is a small sample size, I hope that he can up his K/9 to closer to 6 for the season while maintaining a BABIP of ~.290, where I think he can still be successful.
Maybe not a #2, but I think he’ll be a fine #3.
I agree.
I think he’s a good No.3 for a Division winner.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Could you also not argue
That his higher Ks in August directly relate to his lower FIP & ERA? Given that, could one also not argue that a strikeout is somewhat of a learned skill (setting up a hitter), and he is still learning?
Oops, or kinda what Trickman said above…
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You could...
…but I’m more inclined to believe that’s a bit of an outlier, or normal variance for a pitcher during a season. His other months by K/9:
May: 4.42
Jun: 4.33
July: 3.41
Aug: 8.20
Sep: 5.67
Strikeouts are a learned skill, and Feldman’s sudden change in pitching profile shows that he’s still developing. Regardless, in order for most me to feel comfortable with him as a No.2 for a World Series contender, he’d probably have to increase his K/9 by another 0.5 K/9 while maintaining his high GB/FB rate.
Note: I am not saying Feldman is bad. I’m just saying that he is not a given to be a solid No.2, let alone the No.1 we would all like him to be once Harden goes down.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
I see him as a risky 2 on a decent staff, and a 3 on a serious contender staff. I do think he has upside remaining.
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Look at his stuff though
Fangraphs had his cutter as worth 25.9 runs above average. As a reference, that cutter was worth more than Danks’, Halladay’s, or Haren’s by a solid 8 runs. This was also his first year using the cutter. The cutter is a good strikeout pitch that he was getting weak contact on rather than getting the strikeout on.
Also, the boost in Ks towards the second half might have something to do with his fastball velocity picking up a bit towards the end of the season. His fastball according to Fangraphs was worth 11 runs below average. He was managing to keep the fastball comfortably above 90 at that point rather than having it hover more around the 90 mph mark.
I don’t know if that was the exact cause, but it seems more plausible to me that Feldman, who had a 4.40 K/9 in 08, wasn’t going to keep his K/9 that low while he was pitching so well (and I’m not talking about ERA or FIP). And of course if he is going to improve at striking out hitters, then there’s going to be little statistical evidence to say he isn’t a good number 2 on this team.
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The reason I'm not as skeptical about Feldman as some may be is bc of that pitch...
…that cutter freaking dazzles asses….I love when he just disintegrates someone’s bat with it.
As you pointed out, he basically started throwing it last year.
Trends be damned bc of the cutter…..All Hail the Cutter.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 15, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see why you'd expect his ERA to be closer to his FIP
The defense should improve this year and was already one of the top in the league last season. Maybe Feldman’s just lucky with the team he plays on, but if he posts a FIP similar to last season’s, he should once again be able to manage having an ERA that is significantly higher.
Looking at the month by month splits skips over how good some of his stretches were. Look at what he did even after May. His next 10 starts had him at a 3.34 ERA and averaging 6.2 innings a start. If you remember, this was the time of the season when we all loved his results but there were a good few people who thought his results would start to go down because of a low K/9 instead of his K/9 going up as he was pitching well. It wasn’t just a hot May though that made us comfortable with Feldman as the number 2. It was that 3.04 ERA he had over 103.2 innings as a starter going into that July 29th start (I hate you Detroit).
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I think expecting his ERA to regress to his FIP...
…is the safest bet. Now, maybe not all the way to his FIP, but that’s what these things generally tend to do.
If he does strikeout guys at a rate that’s similar to what he was doing at the end of last year, say 6+K/9, then we all agree his ability to induce ground balls would allow him to be one of the best pitchers in the league. But for the sake of projection, I’m not sure that’s the most likely outcome.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe its not the most likely outcome
but I feel pretty confident predicting that. Pitchers that can do what Feldman has done just to get to this point are guys you should feel safe betting on. And I think that the only reason we’re wondering if the second half K/9 were an outlier or not is due to some poor luck on Feldman’s part (to get weak contact instead of a strikeout) and Feldman still adjusting to being a starter and using his current repertoire.
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I don't see it happening
Like WyoRanger mentioned, Feldman is pretty legitimate and isn’t anymore likely to have a bad year than your average pitcher is. Holland won’t have too much pressure put on him IMO. Feldman, Lewis, and/or Hunter will have to do really, really bad (like 6 ERA bad) to start putting pressure on the other young guys to step their game up. They might struggle and underperform, but they’re going to be given at least a 10 or so starts before counting them out for the rest of the season.
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With Holland...
…my point is that he’s the only one I see as having the stuff to step into a No.1 role if Harden goes down.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Feliz doesn't do anything for you?
He might not be ready to go 200 IP at that point, but Harden is more likely to go down after April instead of during April which lets you monitor Feliz’s innings easier. And the team might not have too many ace caliber guys ready to go, but Feldman, Lewis, Hunter, McCarthy, and Harrison all could step up (or perform as expected) and perform like 09 Millwood/Feldman.
As far as the pressure being put on any young guys and how that works out, I’m not big into thinking that will affect the team much one way or another, but as this team is currently constructed, Holland wouldn’t get that pressure put on him. If Harden goes down, the number one spot goes to Feldman who has been in the Majors for 5/6 years now. Behind him is Lewis. If Lewis pitches well, he could be the pitching version of what Byrd was as a clubhouse guy. Lewis has struggled in the Majors after being a highly touted prospect and has bounced around the Majors before ending up Japan and working his way back here. He’s not a bad guy to have around guys like Holland and Feliz.
McCarthy can also help out if he can stay on the field for most of the season. He’s still young but has been around the league for the past 5 years too and has been in a few pennant races already. There is enough “veteran presence” to help the younger guys out if things are going bad.
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I disagree with this part
And the team might not have too many ace caliber guys ready to go, but Feldman, Lewis, Hunter, McCarthy, and Harrison all could step up (or perform as expected) and perform like 09 Millwood/Feldman.
They may match Millwoods peripherals but I don’t see that group matching Millwoods actual performance
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How many runs he allowed
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Whatever
I disagree that Lewis, Hunter, Holland, McCarthy, and Harrison could step up and duplicate what Millwood gave us in 2009 (since Feldman cancels out on both).
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Not just that
But I don’t think even if the defense was as good that those guys would match Millwoods actual performance from last year. Not talking about what they will do this year but what he actually did last year
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Oh, well. . .
I’d be shocked if at least a couple of them don’t. Again, what he actually did, not what he and the fielders did. Just Millwood.
Oh, that shiny ERA thing again???
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They have just a good a chance to replicate Millwood as Millwood does.
Millwood got lucky in RISP, BABIP, and basically every other metric throughout the first half of the season.
In the second half of the season, he was less lucky, but not so unlucky as to make his ERA balloon beyond 4.
Getting lucky is not a repeatable skill, and Millwood started showing that toward the end of the year.
Any one of the Rangers starters could get lucky and put up an ERA that is a full point lower than their FIP/TRA — and while that is great news for the Rangers and for us as fans, it’s not something you can count on.
Millwood wasn't that bad in the second half
He was hurt by his awful start in LA on July 6th. Going into the game he had a 2.80 ERA. He gave up 9 runs in 4 innings. After that game he had a 4.22 ERA through the end of the season.
Call it lucky if you want. I don’t. I don’t think luck can sustain itself over a full season. If you want to say he had a lucky start here or there thats fine but I think too many people are trying to find faults in what he did last year.
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Luck most certainly can sustain itself
over a full season. Not every start will be lucky, but Millwood was very, very lucky indeed last year, as evidenced by both his BaBIP and his LOB rate. No way he pulls that off again.
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Millwood
The first part of the season up until that start in LA he was throwing 62% strikes getting 1.24 GB/FB and giving up 22% line drives
From the start after the LA debacle till the end of the season he stayed at 61% strikes with a 1.25 GB/FB but the line drives dropped to 16%. And his numbers got worse. So maybe he was lucky the first half but you could argue he was also unlucky the second half.
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On the whole, though
He had a very lucky season. No season is going to be consistently lucky or unlucky, but his 2009 was definitely more lucky than unlucky.
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Or
You could assume that the decrease in line drive % also correlated with an increase in fly ball %. He didn’t work as late into games. He got hit harder, was hurt. In the first half he was really good, but we all watched him pushed deep into games and being pushed an extra inning here and there. The results were a less effective pitcher in the second half.
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by Jayslick on Feb 15, 2010 10:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well
His K rate essentially stayed the same (5.70 K/9 first part vs 5.90 K/9 the second part) and his GB/FB stayed the same so if he got more FB he also got more GB.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
They might not have his 3.67 ERA
But look at what Millwood and Feldman combined to give the team last season. If you want to ignore defense contributions, they gave the team 388.1 IP with a combined 3.87 ERA. Out of that group of 5 pitchers, I feel pretty confident that you could find something like that in there.
In terms of how they perform when you don’t ignore defense contributions, I have no doubt in my mind that they could at least give the team the 4.50ish FIP that Millwood/Feldman had last season.
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Of course Feliz does something for me.
But I’m hesitant with what we can expect from him as a starter this year. For instance, in 2007, Ubaldo Jiminez started 15 games for the Rockies. His blazing fastball (95.6 mph) allowed him to amass 7.5 K/9. But he also walked 4 per 9 innings, which all adds up to a 4.74 FIP and 4.28 ERA. And that’s with a .269 BABIP and 67.7% LOB%.
So, while I want Feliz to be in the starting rotation by the end of the year, I’m not sure we can expect No. 1 numbers from him. Like I said below, I referenced Holland because I think he’s the next most like candidate, after Harden, to put up No.1 type numbers.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
We'll have to wait and see on Feliz
If he’s not starting the year in the rotation, he can fine tune his game in the Rangers bullpen and then be ready to go if they need him in the rotation.
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Personally
I think the majority of the improvement in runs allowed from 2008 to 2009 was defense, and much of the rest of the improvement was better performance by the pitchers with RISP — the 2008 team allowed more runs than would have been expected because they were outlier-bad with RISP.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 15, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
But what I was trying to say is the “when we gonna git sum pitchin” crowd kind of has a point…most of the improvement last year was from defense, not improved pitching. And while the defense should be similarly good, I would like to see them develop Holland, Feliz, etc this year so that they will truly be contending for championships instead of division titles.
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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
227 runs worth of
improved defense?
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by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
you missed this part of his post
much of the rest of the improvement was better performance by the pitchers with RISP
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Along with the RISP thing, yes
In 2008, the Rangers had a UZR of -51.7, worst in MLB. In 2009, it was +32.5. That’s an 8-win swing from defense. Luck played a part as well. In 2008 they were probably a bit unlucky, with a .322 BaBIP. That improved to .294 last year.
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Without even looking I'm going to assume
that they also gave up a lot less walks in 2009 than in 2008.
Having starters go longer into games saved wear & tear on the bully.
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Yep
that also improved. 3.9 per 9 in 2008, 3.3 per 9 last year.
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Ranger pitchers
in 2008 walked 625 batters compared to 531 in 2009 (that’s 94 base runners right there).
Ranger starters in 2008 went 869 IPs compared to 949 IPs in 2009.
Ranger relievers in 2008 went 572 IPs compared to 485 in 2009.
Ranger pitchers gave up 107 unearned runs in 2008 compared to 42 unearned runs in 2009.
When you look at those numbers and the improved range in the middle of the infield, you can piece together how they gave up 227 runs less.
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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
And posts like these are why JW will never be banned
Good stuff. Sure a lot of improvement was better d, but pitchers here started to learn how to pitch and maddux n Nolan went with a more flexible approach if one sp had a nice cutter to work with they didn’t try to change these guys but rather educate them in how to maximize their tools. It showed on the mound.
We can’t ignore that impact goin forward.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Feb 15, 2010 10:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And something you can't measure but you know to be true
if you have played or followed the game seriously…the Ranger pitchers were obviously throwing more strikes and when you do that, the games are crisper and your defense is on their toes instead of their heels (and you get a much better product).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
chicken/egg
devil’s advocate says maybe the pitchers relaxed and seemed to throw more strikes because they were more comfortable with the defense behind them. Probably goes both ways, and the team was a pleasure to watch on defense last year compared with most of the decade.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Its not just wear and tear on the bullpen that made them suck in 2008
It was Josh Rupe, Jamey Wright, Benoit, and the Dozer that made them suck.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Per the good hitting, poor pitching status quo...
I wonder about that myself and if last year was some kind of freak occurence.
I hope we didn’t piss away a career year (740 runs allowed) from our pitchers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I'm also worried about This Thing
v LH pitching.
IF Nelson Cruz can finally hit LH pitching in The Show this year, I’ll feel better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
So what are some things you're excited about this year Josey?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 15, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
As of now (and I reserve the right to change my mind before the season starts)
I think there’s a chance This Thing wins 89 games.
I think Kinsler is going to be a superstar in 2010 and I think Tiny E replicates Robby Alomar’s 21 year old season.
I always love me some Michael Young and I think Josh Hamilton (when healthy & sober) is one of the most entertaining players to watch in the entire sport.
I’m excited about Jules Borbon building on last year and wanna see if his .376 obp was a mirage or the real deal.
I wanna see if CJ can become a starter and shove a quality 175 IP season straight up the ass of LSB.
But more than anything, I’m excited about Nolan Ryan taking the keys to the car and seeing this organization finally make “baseball decisions.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Man you were so close, haha....
I agree on all of those (except the last part, which is nothing but Josey throwing his chum in the water).
I’m most excited about Elvis and Borbon at 9-1.,,,,if they can do what we hope they do they’re going to terrorize catchers…
I wonder what the over/under is on double steals this year…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 15, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't read the story yet...
..but I agree, I’ve thought the same and would have no problem with that at all.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 15, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Kins at 2
could you see Kinsler as the number 2 hitter? that’s some awesome speed there. and Cruz grows into a number 3 role, with Hamilton at 4 and Davis at 5
so: Borbon, Kinsler, Cruz, Hamilton, Davis, Young, Vlad, Catchers, Elvis.
(maybe swapping Cruz and Hammy to break up the lefties).
but 50,30, 15, 10 for steals from the top 4 spots in the lineup with 30 steals at the number 9 spot would be so fun to watch.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I don't think there's anyway they bat Vladdy that far down the lineup.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball." - Terence Mann
I'm still not 100% sold on Vlad
but listening to both Face & Kinsler talk about him in such reverent tones makes me feel better.
Still not sold (nobody knows about him more than the Angels and they let him go) and would love to see/hear about him in spring training and read what unbiased sources have to say before signing off on it as a good move (although I like it much better than the Lowell boondoggle that almost happened).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Stop that
I have to agree on the hating Lowell, though he is a lefty killer. but I’ve been wanting Vlad here in Arlington since he was an Expo. It might be too late and he could go all Andruw Jones on us, but at least he sort of finished strong (.844 OPS in the second half, but only .672 in September)
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
But
wait—I thought Nolan had the keys and implemented “massive change” but then gave them back to JD so he could screw up the franchise this offseason. Now Nolan took the keys back again? Man, this is one crazy soap opera you have going on in your head.
I like your other points though….
by ncrangerfan on Feb 15, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
There were no givens that Nolan
was going to be the owner in 2010 so JD had his castration reversed and he was allowed to be a big boy just like the other GMs in MLB.
Make no mistake, everything that happened this off-season was a vintage JD move.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sort of agree but I think it was more vintage Hick's economics
JD had to work with what he had so he went with low-pay high-risk moves. Shed Millwood’s payroll to get the higher-ceiling Harden and Ray and took a moderate flier on Vlad. I personally don’t think Lewis fits into that (I know you disagree) since I think it was a just a good deal he swung.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Lewis
is the definition of a low-pay high-risk move. and its worse, because while Harden is likely to break down, Lewis could come in and be healthy all year and just simply suck rocks (6+ ERA) Daniels is going to have to depend on Washington to pull the plug on Lewis if his first 5-10 starts are of the 5 inning, 4 run type. (or even 3 runs)
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
BBTiA didn't make you feel better about the LH pitching thing this morning?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
For Josey to support analysis it must be A) written by The Great Bill James and B) agree with Josey's mind
If it doesn’t meet both of those criteria, it’s trash.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
B is more important
out of those 2 since he will completely crap on Bill James theories in order to make one of his work as pointed out so gracefully last week by Laxtonto.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How dare you
call him by his whole last name? You must refer to him only as RG…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Galloway
is well connected to this team and the sport throughout the country plus he’s not afraid to piss off … lol … “The Other Element.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yet his accuracy is a wildcard.
Sometimes he’s right on, sometimes he appears to simply make shit up.
by FuturePants on Feb 15, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
When exactly
did RG “make shit up” ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren't surprised that Daniels couldn't find a deal."
by FuturePants on Feb 15, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Jeeez, talk about "making shit up." That quote came
from Jeff Wilson (I’m fairly sure) and definitely not from RG.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, speaking of "making shit up"
That quote doesn’t mean what you wished it meant, but taking things out of context has never been a problem with you.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Galloway is one of the world's most brilliant trolls.
I know better and he still gets me riled up. Then I have to remind myself he’s doing it on purpose. He knows this audience and has made himself a success.
In real life, he also was a semi regular of the restaurant my roommates worked at and they said he was a really nice guy and a good tipper. He also has a reputation of being engaging and helpful to student journalists seeking a few words of advice.
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 15, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Would you prefer your journalist
come from the Kevin Sherrington School of Blah or the TR Sullivan School of Don’t Give a Shit?
The people in here don’t like RG simply because he doesn’t like JD.
One of the reasons he’s a very good writer is because he’s ballsy enough not to care if you like him personally at the expense of credibility.
He’ll swing and miss with an opinion (said the Herschel Walker Trade was bad and The Newberg made sure he brought that up last year) but at least he’ll give an opinion or make a prediction.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like
Galloway for many reasons beyond his dislike for Daniels. As time has passed, he has become less of a writer and more of a muck raker. I also often find myself thinking an article will be pretty good when it starts only to have it devolve into an unorganized pile of rambling crap. He reminds me of an aging athlete who still shows glimpses of his past talent, but in the end reminds you that he is past his prime.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Hold on there buckaroo
“One of the reasons [Galloway’s] a very good writer”? Putting the cart in front of the horse aren’t you? Mostly only you think’s Galloway’s a very good writer. To give reasons why he’s a very good writer is based on an incorrect premise.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Like I said, I have much respect for Galloway
But the guy’s intention with everything he writes is to provoke an emotional response from his audience. Pretty much a troll; a prominent troll, but a troll.
Example: his article yesterday that he set up with some backhanded compliments for Jerry, before resuming his usual Wade bashing. He’s either gonna fire up the anti-Wade’s, or piss off the Cowboy apologists, and mission accomplished. No news value in this story, its not even current or topical. Just bait thrown into waters
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 15, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Check
Agreed. A week after the Super Bowl he throws down another, look at who could have been coaching the Cowboys article. I swear the only reason he wrote it was because he forgot that Caldwell was a candidate and he wanted to rub the Cowboy’s fans noses in it.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Per RG being a very good writer...
He knows how to pique interest and push buttons or vise verse. I don’t agree with all of his opinions although I’m fairly lockstep with him on Ranger management.
You’ll hear people in here say he’s become a parody of himself but he’s the same as he’s every been.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I respectfully
disagree. I used to enjoy/look forward to what Galloway had to say. Now, I still read it, but only with the rubber necking interest of a motorist passing a horrific crash scene
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
It takes talent to do what he does.
Hell it takes some talent to do what you do, inspiring rage amongst loyal brightsiders. He’s got what it takes to write some serious analytical work, and spin some fascinating stories. He learned from Blackie Sherrod after all. Its just easier to sit back on the same cliches; poking a stick at the legions of fanboys who never get wise.
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 15, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I have seen parallels in Josey and RG's work as well.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
I miss Blackie.
Not for his opinions. Just loved the way he weaved a story. Old school Texas journalist.
I like my columnists to come from none of those schools
I don’t care for Sherrington or TR any more than I do Galloway.
I prefer my columnists to come from the Joe Posnanski School: be insightful, entertaining, and thoughtful, criticize when necessary but criticize with logic, reason, and facts, and don’t bash just for the joy of bashing.
But that’s just me.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Agreed.
Being informing in an entertaining way. Establish a track record of it and you get to write even longer pieces.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't like Galloway
since the early 90’s. JD was in high school. Fairly certain he has nothing to do with my opinion of the shock jock of Dallas sports.
Literally every time the subject comes up, Josey accuses everyone of disliking RG because of the JD issue
And every stinking time people tell him they’ve disliked Galloway since long before JD was hired.
And Josey never listens because it doesn’t fit the alternate reality where Josey lives.
I was entertained by Galloway when I was a kid. Then I grew up and developed some sports opinions and knowledge and realized he just ranted for the sake of ranting and had no actual useful information to offer.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
I had the same experience
as a teen I loved Galloway. They I grew up. Maybe Josey is 17 and not really in his forties like he claims.
I think BBTIA is superb but I don't agree with everything they say.
They think Chris Davis is going to hit LH pitching this year although he had something like a .548 OPS or somesuch in ’09) and I disagree with them about Nelson Cruz.
The only aberration about Nelson Cruz and LH pitching in The Show were the 37 plate appearances he had against it in 2008. Other than that year, he’s stunk v LH pitching in The Show (we’re talking more than 300 plate appearances).
Nelson Cruz looks like he should torture LH pitching like Vlad G does and his minor league stats support that he’s capable but he’s just never done it in The Show for an extended time. IF Cruz could do it this year, that’s a giant step forward for This Thing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
I think he’s right that the Rangers could be adequate against lefties, in no small part due to Vlad.
But I really can’t take any analysis that relies on Davis returning to past form for something to be a strength of the team. I don’t think anyone can rely on Davis at all – anything they get out of him is a bonus. When taken that way, he’ll be fun to watch this year, since he is definitely capable of surprising us. But I just don’t see how one could do anything more than just hope that the ‘vs LHP’ split will be a team strength this year.
Go Rice Owls!
How quickly
one year can ruin a hitter’s reputaton. Not even one whole year. just 3 months, in fact. All of a sudden we’re so down on him. Imagine if Kinsler hadn’t started the season with a .322/.384/.656 april. He hit .219/.293/.431 for May, June, and July.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Remember a big leaguer
can’t remember who, once said, “If you slump to start the year, you are a slow starter, if you slump at the end of the year, you are a choker, if you slump in the middle of the year, no one really notices”
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Kinsler was really bad for a stretch there
and people aren’t giving him a free pass either.
But Davis, before he was sent down, was among the worst hitters I’ve ever seen in many years of watching baseball. It wasn’t a rough patch or a little slump. He was simply awful and not ready to be a major leaguer at the time. He was overwhelmed, and it was obvious to anyone watching him. I’m as big a JD homer as there is anywhere, but he screwed up by not dealing with Davis earlier last year than he did. Just because a guy has good minor league numbers as he’s speeding through the system and a good (or great) half season debut the year before doesn’t mean he’s entitled to a job.
So yeah, I think there is a big difference between Kinsler and Davis. Kinsler has proven that he’s a good, though not perfect, hitter over the years. Davis was essentially a rookie who all signs pointed up for but really was still an unproven rookie.
Go Rice Owls!
Wow.
A brutal and very honest assessment of Chris Davis by somebody in LSB not named Josey Wales.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well now
See, the problem with Davis’ first half wasn’t that it was historically bad (sorry, but it just wasn’t. Check out Ray Oyler). Its that it LOOKED bad. He struck out a huge number of times, and hit for terrible average. Many of his k’s were looking too. He looked befuddled at the plate, often walking away shaking his head. In many ways it was quite painful to watch. But he still managed to plant 15 balls into the bleachers by the all star break and hit 21 overall (27 with 89 RBI including AAA).
as far as “proven” Kinsler is going into his 5th year in the majors, Chris Davis is going into his 3rd. “essentially a rookie”? he had over 300 PA’s in the majors in 2008. Wake up and smell the bullshit. I won’t mention that Chris Davis is the same age this year as Kinsler was as a rookie. Oops, looks like I did.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
yay, Davis hit some home runs! He must be good!
I don’t really know what you’re trying to argue here. That Davis has the potential to rebound? Sure, I’ll give you that. Right now I think the best possible outcome (2nd half ‘08) and worst possible outcome (1st half ’09) for Davis are pretty clear. He’ll probably land somewhere in the middle.
But your argument that Davis wasn’t actually all that bad the first half of last year doesn’t hold water. His numbers were hideous, and they get uglier when you dig a little deeper. I don’t see why you are denying that. I see what you’re doing with the strike outs. Here’s the deal about K’s. One of the first things that people who buy into sabermetrics do is learn to mock those who complain about strikeouts. Adam Dunn is still valuable despite K’ing 130 times a year, blah, blah, blah. But where this shallow understanding of statistics gets one in trouble is when they ignore K’s too much. A guy who K’s a lot AND walks a lot can be quite valuable. But a guy who K’s above average yet walks at or below league average is starting from a bad spot. There simply aren’t many hitters like Chris Davis (really high K%, average to below average BB%) in baseball history for a reason. They have to hit a LOT of home runs and have enough power to bias their BABIP to compensate for K’ing 30-35% of the time.
Anyway, my problem with Davis is, and always has been, is that if he is going to K and BB at the rates that he does, he basically has to hit a lot of home runs and put up an unrealistically high BABIP in his other non-K PAs. I just don’t see that as sustainable in the majors. Now, if what we saw late last year was actually an adjustment in his approach, he can be a valuable player (especially given his fielding).
Go Rice Owls!
good?
I won’t say that Davis was good in the first half of last year. I agree that he was awful in the first half of last year. I was trying to argue that he wasn’t “historically” awful. The only thing historic about him was his strikeout rate, and it was only a little worse than that of Mark Reynolds, and represented a significant increase from 2008.
Do I believe Davis will rebound? of course I do. Do I think he’ll be better than 2008? yes I do.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
as for Kinsler being older
I’m not trying to compare the two and I freely admit that Kinsler has been disappointing. I could also care less about how old Davis is. Being young isn’t an excuse to not being good – they have AAA for a reason.
Go Rice Owls!
To be fair
Davis only had 127 PAs in AAA before being called up in ’08. More of a lack of talent/options than anything else.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
lack of options?
He was hitting .333/.402/.685 in AAA in 2008! I don’t think his call up was ONLY fueled by desparation. There’s a reason he was dubbed, “Crush”
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Funny funny
Given that one of David’ major assumptions is Davis continues to suck against LHP (he guessed a 700 OPS).
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
A .700 OPS v LH pitching
from Davis would be a major upgrade over what he did last year.
Hell, his OPS was below that until the last 10 days of the season or so.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Idiot
(I just love insulting Josey)
Davis’ OPS vs lefties in AAA in 2009: .807 Not uber, but not awful.
Cruz OPS vs lefties in AAA in 2008: 1.050. in 2007: .920 in 2006: 1.015. in 2005: 1.034
Vlad’s OPS vs lefties: 1.000 (pretty impressive until you notice that his OPS is .954 for his career. its still nice.)
Remember, those who ignore minor league stats are often hoist on their own petard
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I don't
really give a shit what Davis did at AAA last year v LH pitchers because I saw what he did against them in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Remember, those who ignore minor league stats are often hoist on their own petard
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I haven't ignored their minor league stats
but I put a lot more weight on what they actually did in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
more weight?
really give a shit what Davis did at AAA last year v LH pitchers because I saw what he did against them in The Show.
Basically, you are willing to ignore a major portion of his body of work (1300+ PA’s with an OPS of .951) over a 3 month slump.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I expect Nellie to hit lefties better this year
and I like the ideas of flip/flopping Borbon & Andrus when a lefty is on the mound…..then you have no ‘wholesale’ change but would take away one AB per game (or so) for Borbon vs. lefties & give that AB to Andrus….seems like a no-brainer to me and after the first inning really has no effect on the line-up.
For anyone that cares about college football recruiting...
Baylor just got a commitment for 2011 from Brandon Williams, widely considered one of the top two RB recruits from Texas next year, and a likely five-star RB when the first rankings come out in the spring.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
Where's he from?
Texas is absolutely loaded with RBs for 2011. If a school can’t nab at least one good back this year, either they suck at recruiting or they just weren’t trying.
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Brookshire-Royal
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Aquaman
you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about recruiting. What were your thoughts on the DMN’s Metroplex Top 50 for 2011 that recently came out?
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I don't take the DMN, but I'll look at it.
I’m by no means an expert, simply a very interested party.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa
Looks like Scott Drew’s recruiting tactics are spreading to the football program
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 15, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
They cracked the top 40 this year.
According to Rivals. They had 3 4-star DB’s that got them ranked as one of the top 5 DB classes in the country. More of a concern for me, they recruited a bunch of D-linemen close to signing day, so I really think that the program turn around is continuing under Briles. One or two more recruiting classes like that and I expect they won’t be the basement dweller every year in the Big12.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Is the Big 12 South becoming the 80's SWC again?
Maybe Texas should leave.
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 15, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm a Baylor fan I'm leery of those DB signees
There have been some questions as to Stephenson’s dedication to football and Dixon has more qualification question marks than I’ve seen in a while.
If Dixon can get in anywhere, it’s Baylor (you guys have a leg-up there as a private school), but I would still be mildly surprised if he made it to campus in the fall. Word on the street is that his grades and scores are off-the-charts bad.
I just wonder whether that DB class ends up being a paper tiger. Having sat through the Fran Era, I am all too familiar with that.
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It is a fair concern.
But I’ve read separate reports that were very high on Dixon and Prince. I’m fairly certain Dixon will be a starting safety by October, but I could be wrong…
If Dixon can get in anywhere, it’s Baylor (you guys have a leg-up there as a private school),
???
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
IIRC, private schools aren't subjected to the same restrictions on admissions (particularly with regards to TAKS) as public schools in Texas
Out of state schools aren’t either, which is part of the reasons why gigantic grade risks like Dez Bryant and Craig Loston, among others, leave the state.
When it comes to signing qualification risks, in-state public universities have the least flexibility.
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TAKS
shouldn’t have anything do do with it since you can’t even graduate H.S. without passing the 4 junior level TAKS tests. There is no flexibility on admission there unless they are allowed to admit kids without H.S. diplomas.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I think it has to do with the level of passing score on TAKS
In the old days of TAAS, before you could take college classes you had to either take the TASP or make a high enough TAAS score that exempted you from the TASP. So for kids who passed the TAAS but couldn’t pass the TASP, it was easier to go out of state where a passing TASP score (or exemption) wasn’t required for admission.
I don’t know the mechanics of the exit-level TAKS but I assume it’s similar.
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Not similar at all
You either pass exit-level TAKS or you don’t. Knew of someone who lost a division one scholarship because they couldn’t pass the exit-level science test. You get something like 5 tries before regular graduation and then you can keep going back and taking it after if you still haven’t passed. Or, you get your GED and go to a JUCO.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I know you have to pass the TAKS, I'm not disputing that
But a passing score on the TAKS is, I believe, 2100 (or maybe slightly lower). BUT, to gain admission to a Texas public college or university you have to have a minimum of 2200 on the TAKS, have a high enough ACT/SAT score, or pass a “college readiness test” (whatever they call the TASP these days).
So a private or out-of-state university has more flexibility in admitting a kid with a TAKS score good enough to graduate high school but not good enough for admission to a public university.
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Neither
UT or A&M’s basic freshman admission requirements page mentions anything about a minimum TAKS score. I have also never heard a college coach ask anything about test scores other than SAT/ACT. I know TAAS used to be that way, but TAKS is a different animal.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's from a website operated by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board
http://www.collegefortexans.com/index.cfm?objectid=63176344-FFFA-217B-60C9A0E86629B3CA
Just checked, THEA is the name of the new test that replaced TASP.
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It's a blanket requirement for all public colleges and universities in Texas, Texas and Texas A&M have nothing to do with setting the requirement
Because I know they’d love to have that flexibility of admitting kids below the 2200 barrier who haven’t passed THEA.
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In that case
I would bet that most public universities take their chances on “tutoring” those kids to passing the college readiness test
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, no doubt
But that becomes a dicey proposition. If you think the kid can get his passing score before fall enrollment, you sign him and try to do what you can to help.
But if the kid just flat cannot pass it, you’ve just wasted a signing on a kid who won’t make it to campus.
It’s no doubt a balancing test to decide which kids like that to sign and which to stay away from.
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I would assume
a kid who can’t pass the proficiency test will come nowhere close to scoring high enough on the SAT/ACT test for it to matter. If you can’t pass a standarized Texas state exam, you will drown on one of the 2 national ones….
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
But the NCAA clearinghouse scores for ACT/SAT are insanely low
Like, 15 or below on the ACT.
The kids near the qualification line certainly wouldn’t get in to school on academic merit, for sure.
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True
but that 2100 passing score on the TAKS is only something like answering 55-60% of the questions correctly. Being “commended” is around 80% I believe.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever the case...
I doubt that Baylor is lowering it’s standards below that of the larger state schools for their athletes. This is the school that pride itself on having one of, if not the, highest graduation rates amongst its football players in the conference.
I know that Baylor has always been looked at as a competitive school to gain acceptance to, but times have changed, especially over the last 5-10 years or so.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
All Big XII schools have exactly the same entrance requirements for college freshman.
JUCO students are the major difference, and schools like Baylor, A&M, and UT actually hurt themselves in this regard because of the way they translate grades.
That’s why schools like KState clean up in JUCO guys every year.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Stephenson and Kent are already qualified, but Dixon has work to do.
But if Cyril Richardson can get in last year, or Tyrik Rollison can get in to Auburn, then Dixon can, too.
And don’t even act like Baylor is the only school that takes grade risks.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
No, I'm not acting like that at all
Just pointing out that Dixon is no lock to be admitted. I’m wary of counting my chickens on future studs who are qualification risks.
Darn you, Gremon Coffman.
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I think just about everyone knew that Dixon would be a potential grade casualty.
It’s just funny to see people from other schools who would have absolutely taken the kid, bash him now because he didn’t sign with them.
The whole “we didn’t offer,” or “he had an uncommittable offer,” or “we moved on” crap blows me away. Why people try to save face (mostly on the internet) over college football recruiting baffles me.
Look at this link about Williams today: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/02/15/huge-recruiting-news-for-baylor/
Can you believe the arrogance and elitism?
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Agree, I absolutely would have taken Dixon's commit and would have been scared all the way up to reporting to practice
But it probably would have been worth it. For whatever reason, though, it didn’t seem that he and the Aggie coaches ever got comfortable with one another. I think they had some concerns about him and he about them.
I wish I could say I was surprised by the arrogance and elitism, but it is the sips.
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Huh?
I dont follow you…he is saying that is a hell of a get for Baylor, and it is. At the same time it is true that texas is eying fish that are just a bit bigger
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Look at the comments Horn.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
He will
change his commitment at least 4 times…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
YEAH!
I know Tech was in on him pretty fiercely, too. It’s a shame it’s not for this year, but I guess he’ll be ready to step in for Finley? Now we just have to see if Baylor can hold onto him for a year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
He'll start from day one.
His commitment is “very solid” according to the UT and Baylor rivals sites. He’s already canceled his scheduled visit to UT next weekend.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
Thanks, I needed some good news today…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
A 5*...no...sorry, try again
hell, for that matter, he is 4th best RB in the state at this point
he is a very good pickup for Baylor though
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Don't get your panties in a twist, Horn.
Your own Ketch ranked him second in the state for RBs, sixth overall. That’s a five-star every year.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Not in his new ratings
and actually…texas (no state for that matter) has had 6 5*s in about 7 years, rivals only had 2 in the state of texas this year. But thats cool, facts arent really important or anything.
He will not be a 5* and i can basically guarantee that…but he is a great recruit for BU, and he is a possible top 100 national guy. As I said earlier though, Texas wants 2 of Sims, Brown and Green…so they wont be crying over this. It is most likely Aggie and/or OU that youll screwed over, so thanks, i genuinely appreciate that.
Briles might be able to piece together a solid class, but youre delusional if you dont think texas will basically just take who they want at this point…hell we couldve had Dixon back if we had really wanted him
Fuck Mike Estabrook
Sweet! a Neftali ad
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
So does Teagarden really have a chance to beat out Salty?
I figured Jarrod would have it locked down.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
If Salty is healthy,
he’s going to have to do a lot to lose his job to Tea, I think. They want Salty to take that job and not give it back
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Not as long as JD is the general manager of This Thing.
The original centerpiece of the Tex Deal is treated like he’s Johnny Bench circa 1970.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
so they should give up
on a 24-yr. old catcher who was recently one of the top prospects in baseball in favor of another (not quite as young) catcher who hit even worse last year. Gotcha. And nothing they have said about the catching situation this winter even remotely resembles Bench in 1970, then entering his 3rd year as a well above average catcher.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
You forget
that Daniels was assistant GM before being hired as GM, and was partially responsible for the 2005 draft, which included 3rd rounder Taylor teagarden.
But, Salty’s upside is something like a decent defender who switch hits and hits for power. Teagarden’s upside is Brad Ausmus.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I think if anyone expects the Rangers to improve in any significant way on defense. . .
. . . they’re going to be disappointed.
Borbon> Byrd, no?
Hamilton>Murphy ?
Andrus v2.0> Andrus v1.0 ?
3B-MY v2.0> 3B-MY v2.0 ?
Davis>Hank, etc?
Again, I think they could improve at every position except 2B and maybe RF and end up with the same overall numbers due to regression from Ian (and maybe Cruz).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not convinced
Borbon is going to be better than Byrd. He’s going to be faster for sure, but he looked fairly lost at times in LF. I have high hopes but I’m not going to just pencil it in.
The rest I agree on for sure.
He had never played LF before, so...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
True
but he’s always been considered suspect defensively so I’m combining that with what we saw out there last year.
I've always suspected
he was pretty good, excepting the arm.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
As far back as I can remember knowing who Borbon was. . ..
. . . part of his hype was his strength in the field. This site has always talked about him being a terrific fielder. I had heard of his sterling defensive reputation long before I saw his astoundingly incredible TotalZone numbers in the minors.
Calling him a suspect fielder, especially treating that like the general consensus, is incredibly foreign to me.
Just last year
Lucas commented about his poor routes while OKC, but made mention that his speed was able to cover it up some. Again, from memory, so I’m willing to be taken to task for having a poor one.
Okay, I can understand a person here or there saying something down about him.
But I think that’s far from the general consensus and certainly from the evidence (and TZ for outfielders has been shown to correlate well from minors to majors).
Fair enough
if you think Baseball America is a website that goes with what they see on TV or is indicative of a the DMNesq fan.
and really,
if his D wasn’t suspect, why was he playing LF and not CF?
(points to Ron Washington's midsection)
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Very rarely does a rookie supplant a vet
In mid-season. Maybe for a few games here or there, but not fulltime. That’s just the way it is, mang.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
You're giving Wash way too much credit.
And, as Rodney points out above, overlooking baseball politics.
You think Jeter was a better fielder than A-Rod?
I don't think
Byrd is Jeter, and I have my doubts that Byrd or Wash for that matter would hurt the team in a pennant race over some bullshit ego stuff. In fact if you think Wash did that you should be calling for his firing.
What at least some of you are suggesting is that Wash was willing to hurt his team defensively at two different positions given that it was suggested above that the reason he looked lost in LF was he had never played there.
Well
Actually Borbon DH’ed more than he played in the field.
Washington is considered a “players” manager because he is unwilling to do things like supplanting a veteran to play a rookie or allow a player to work his way out of a slump instead of demoting him or dumping or benching him. We as fans get bent out of shape about these things because we believe it hurts the team (and we may be right) but the team appreciates them because they like to know that if they go 0 for 4 one night (or even two nights in a row) they don’t have to go into the clubhouse and wonder if they are going to be on the bench or shipped out of town.
I know that Josey likes to bitch about how John Daniels failed to demote Chris Davis while he struggled, and I’m sure that Ron Washington wanted to let him stay up as long as possible in hopes he could find his swing, both because of his defense at first base, and because he didn’t want to shake Davis’ confidence.
IMO, 2009’s offensive problems with Hamilton, Davis, and Kinsler should be laid strictly at the feet of Rudy J., and though many of the players are sad to see him go, I am certainly not. Lets hope Clint Hurdle oversees the resurgence in this teams patience and selectivity at the plate, without sacrificing aggressiveness.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Let's review this statement...
“Washington is considered a "players" manager because he is unwilling to do things like supplanting a veteran to play a rookie or allow a player to work his way out of a slump instead of demoting him or dumping or benching him.”
What would call what Wash did to Hank F last year and how did that work out?
This organization’s bungling of everything to do with Chris Davis & Hank F Blalock at every turn is a big reason we finished behind the Angels & Red Sox.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 16, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Hank Blalock was the DH
When you play interleague play in National League parks you can’t play your DH.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Its called
Allowing Hank Blalock to soak up way too many outs before sitting his ass on the bench and bringing Chris Davis back from the minors. After 2 weeks it was obvious that Davis had no business playing in AAA, and then 4 weeks later they finally brought him back up after watching Blalock hit worse and worse and worse and flail and flail and flail until the issue was forced on him as Blalock went 5 for 39 over a 10 game stretch before being mercifully benched in August.
To further cherry pick, Hank went from July 11th through August 17th without drawing a single walk, hitting .198 with an OPS of .563 and striking out 38 times in 31 games.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I would be pretty happy if Wash was fired.
He doesn’t have to be Jeter because the situation also wasn’t as extreme, but the point is still that baseball politics get in the way and Wash doesn’t necessarily know that much. He just “goes with his gut.” You know this.
When he was drafted
from my memory he was considered to have very good range but a weak arm and suspect on his routes.
Julio Borbon
consistently graded out as one of the better defenders in some very tough MiL parks.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
Well. . .
I don’t think you can assume Hamilton will be better than Murphy or that MY will improve in a significant way. They’re both possible, maybe even a little likely, but not huge guarantees.
But you’re also expecting Kinsler to repeat his (by far) career year, and it’s certainly possible for Elvis to regress, too, as tends to happen now and then with even great fielders. It would be easier for Elvis to fall closer to average than it would be for him to become even better (he was pretty awesome, but, FTR, I expect him to be about the same).
But, flat out, the Rangers had a huge bounce back and were near the top of the league on defense. Expecting them to be significantly better than that is expecting the odds to be demolished. I’m not saying they’re going to be awful again, or even significantly worse, but I’ll bet you if you expect significant improvement you’re going to be let down.
I would say the different at most spots defensively I expect to be close to negligable from 09 to 10.
Acknowledging, of course, that even great fielders can have off years and that might happen.
The one thing I don’t expect to be close is 2B. I thought ‘09 was a flukily bad year for Kinz, but I think ’10 was flukily good. I expect him to be much closer to average. If everything else is close to the same and 2B is a bit worse, that’s a small regression.
I think we're saying the same thing.
Just an optimistic vs pessimistic slant. You think they’ll be the same to a little worse. I think they’ll be the same but can see how they could improve a little.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 15, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think most of it will depend on Borbon
Warning: small sample size UZR pseudoanalysis ahead
The biggest loss will be from the bench – Omar was almost +9 UZR at his combined positions, Greene will probably be -2 or -3, so that’s a 11 run swing.
Regression Candidates: Kinsler (9.6 UZR), Cruz (11.6 UZR), Elvis (10.7 UZR), Hamilton (8.5 UZR combined)
Improvement Candidates: Young (-8.4 UZR), Chris Davis (-5.3 UZR combined), Borbon (possible improvements from the Byrd -6.0 in CF)
Position-wise, left field was a grand total of 0.5 UZR total, Hamilton should exceed that, say by a couple of runs (+2)
Center Field, Byrd and Hamilton combined for +0.5, Borbon is unknown (?)
Right Field, Cruz + combined for +16, this should regress, to say +10 (-6)
3B, MY was terrible earlier in the year, having put up a UZR of -11.4 a month into the season, but ended up at -8.4. This mean he is essentially average for the rest of the year, and that’s about what I expect. Davis was even worse, but is offset by Omar. (7)
SS, Elvis and Omar combined for +16, Elvis might get there, but not expected. Greene will also drag this down. I expect around +8 for the position at the end (-8)
2B, Kinsler (+9.1 UZR). Expect +6 (-3)
1B, Davis and Hank came out pretty much even, expects same thing (no change)
Catcher and Pitchers aren’t really quantifiable.
Tallying this up, you have roughly -8 runs if you assume center field defense is not changed. If you think the CF position can put up +8.5 UZR or better, then the defense may improve.
Disclaimer – margin of error on above analysis is +/- 35 runs or so.
Well written.
It’s not a starter, but losing Omar for Greene is sure going to hurt a little.
I didn’t realize Davis didn’t have a good year. When last I paid attention, he was one of the best at first base in ’09. Some kind of crash there.
IIRC
His UZR started out good, and went south later in the season. Perhaps some of his batting foibles affected his concentration in the field? In my book, he’s still a plus glove at 1B, but young and inconsistent perhaps.
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Which seems to fly in the face of
what we were told last year about JD keeping Davis up here in the first half because of the supposed defense he was giving us.
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No
In the first half his defense was fine. It started declining right before he went down
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
This.
Early in the year, his total production was actually still around an average player because his defense was just that good. It was unlikely to stay that good, though.
No, it doesn't really
not at all.
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Yeah, he was consistently in the +2-3 UZR range early in the season
then it went to like -2 in a span of 2-3 weeks before he got sent down. After he came back, he was essentially average.
He's an athletic guy and some respectable people have complimented his work in the field.
I’d be surprised if he isn’t a solid-to-good fielder at first.
I'm having a hard time seeing where the Rangers got worse since last season
Losing Omar hurts, but Greene has a chance to be at least average. Losing Omar’s occasional defense at 3B will hurt, but that can be made up with the other improvements this team made. An OF with Hamilton and Cruz in the corners and Borbon in CF is an improvement. Murphy and Gentry off the bench also give good alternatives. Young should get better and I expect a more consistent year from 1B with Davis there and Smoak being the main back-up option. The only wild cards I can see are the catching and pitching defense, but IIRC, those weren’t exactly strengths last season.
And looking at the overall UZR totals for each position, 2B, SS, and RF were the only positions that were above average by more than a few decimal points. All 3 of the starters in those positions have areas of their game where they can improve and should at least maintain something close to the levels of defensive production they had last year. Every other position on the field has room to improve on paper and should at least see some marginal improvements.
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Point by point.
Greene has a chance to be at least average, but that doesn’t mean he’s likely to be. And he’s extremely unlikely to be Omar.
I don’t think Hamilton, Cruz and Borbon is definitely an improvement, at lest not by a large stretch. I’d bank on it being some improvement, but not by a lot.
I think they get worse (if they get worse) by simple regression, primarily at second base. Kinsler’s always had a ton of range, but he’s never had a year quite like that, and I think expecting him to reproduce it, or even come close, is being overly optimistic. He can, but I’ll doubt it until proven otherwise.
I think there’s room for improvement, as well, but I think there’s even more room for decline. And I’d be strongly against significant improvement and strongest on slight decline. Marginal improvement wouldn’t surprise me at all, but that’s marginal.
You're pretty damn pessimistic today
I’ll doubt [Kinsler’s defensive improvements] until proven otherwise.
That’s kinda Wails-esque.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
No, it's not at all
Kinsler made a huge improvement from ‘08 to ’09, to numbers much better than any previous year. It’s unrealistic to expect that to continue. It could, but you shouldn’t expect it.
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I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic.
I’m not expecting the Rangers to fall on their faces and I’m not expecting anything outside of the realm of normalcy.
Kinsler’s UZRs over his career: -11.2, -12.4, -7.3 and 9.6.
Which of those seasons was the outlier? The logical approach is to approach significant performance deviation with caution until it sustains itself. Especially over small sample size, which is what one season of fielding data is. It’s foolish to just decide Kinsler turned the corner instead of thinking he may have but you can’t be sure until he does it again. It’s similar to a career .240 hitter suddenly hitting .320 through the first two months of the season. You only assume he’s now a .300+ hitter if you’re a blind fanboy. Once he’s done it for the rest of the year (and probably another after that) you can trust he’s changed, but until then, be skeptical. That’s being logical and objective.
Now for the disclaimer part. I personally don’t think Kinsler was as bad those first two years as UZR claims because, if memory serves (I don’t have a BJO account anymore), Kinsler was more average by +/- back then. He’s always had crazy range, and it’s much easier to become a good fielder when your problem is mistakes than it is when your problem is range. So I fully believe his putrid performance in ‘08 was an outlier, as well, and he’ll be at least a solid fielder in ‘10, but I don’t think he’ll be adding close to a win in the field with his glove until he can have two seasons like that. Right now he’s been bad-to-average for his career and very good for one season. It’s not pessimistic to doubt the 25% in favor of the 75%.
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Greene’s not Omar, but he’s also not going to play as much as Omar. In the end, SSS will probably make his UZR irrelevant unless some injuries pop up to give him more consistent playing time.
Again, assuming those guys are all healthy, I don’t see how that isn’t definitely an improvement. Switching out Byrd for Borbon and Murphy for Hamilton is an upgrade. It might not be an amazing upgrade, but RF was the only position the Rangers had any real production from last season. You don’t think on average, those guys could post UZRs around 6?
I don’t see why its being overly optimistic on Kinsler. His biggest problem has been making stupid errors and letting his range hurt him at times. With Elvis and Davis at his left and right, he’s not going to have to try to get to everything and I think that helped a lot last season. And maybe it is just optimistic thinking, but he’s shown that he can go a season without making 15 mental mistakes a season.
And marginal improvement takes this defense into a top 5 defense if not better. I’ll take even marginal improvement.
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In the end, SSS will probably make his UZR irrelevant unless some injuries pop up to give him more consistent playing time.
I’ll agree with that.
You don’t think on average, those guys could post UZRs around 6?
I think they could, but I don’t think it’s definite. I don’t think there’s any reason to assume Hamilton will be better in left than last year’s combination was. The negative UZRs in left came from Boggs, Borbon and Cruz. I expect Hamilton to be a positive, but I expect it from those guys as well. I just don’t think you can assume he’s going to make any sizable difference there.
Center is similar: I expect Borbon to be above average, which would be an improvement but 1) not that much of an improvement and 2) it’s no guarantee, anyway. I do think center is more comfortable than left, though.
I’ll take marginal improvement, too, but marginal isn’t a big change. My original post was about people expecting a large improvement, the kind that means multiple extra wins. The difference between the Rangers defense last year and the #5 defense was still only about a win, and I think even that’s a lot to expect, but not the sizable increase I was meaning in the first post in this thread.
Finally, I’m made very uncomfortable by putting so much weight on UZR in this discussion, but it’s all I’ve got at my finger tips.
It seems like our expectations are similar actually
We just have a different opinion on the effects of the potential improvements. Part of it I think is that I don’t put as much stock into defensive statistics as you. Not like I ignore them, but I think there’s enough that isn’t accounted for in UZR that could make that a bigger difference.
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Brewers pitching coach Rick Peterson has confirmed that left-hander Mark Mulder has decided to retire,
reports Adam McCalvy of MLB.com.
Mulder retires after nine big league seasons with the Athletics and Cardinals, compiling a career record of 103-60 to go along with a 4.18 ERA and 1.34 WHIP. Mulder was a two-time All-Star and finished second in the American League Cy Young award voting in 2001 when he won 21 games as a 23 year old. It’s a real shame injuries had to cut his career short.
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Remember when that trio of A's starters
all looked like they were destined for the HOF.
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I never bought in to Zito.
He seemed too much smoke and mirrors, and not in the good Maddux way. Hudson and Mulder I thought were going to destroy worlds, though.
Mulder was always my favorite of the bunch.
I remember thinking the A’s would be unstoppable with all three, though, and then Blanton and Harden coming up through the works.
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by Aquaman, Esq. on Feb 15, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
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Maybe I missed this
but MLB TR says Tavares signed with the Nationals. The part that got me was that the A’s will pay 3.6 million to him this year and the Nationals only 400,000. That is not very small market smart by Beane
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 15, 2010 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Well
Beane took Aaron Miles and his bad contract off the Cubs’ hands to get Jake Fox, and the Cubs are kicking in $1 million.
He then sent Miles to the Reds for Tavares and Tavares’ bad contract in order to get someone from the Reds, I forget who.
In any case, he basically paid $2.6 million for Fox and some other guy from the Reds.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 15, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Have a kick ass summer!
/Ticket 8-10 years ago…
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
My problem with that
would be that I don’t know that a kick ass spring necessarily indicates that he’s going to hit much in the regular season.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 15, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Waaaay OT
What’s on Mike’s Mind segment just referenced the 1982 Texas Rangers.
My gawd, the horror of that year. Hostetler, Wagner, Lamar Johnson, Mario Mendoza, Buddy Bell, Sunny Jim, Sample, Leon Roberts, Wright.
Quite possibly one of the worst years (finished 64-98) to be a fan of This Thing.
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Doug Flynn & Larry Parrish were also on that '82 team.
I remember Flynn being on that team because he’s one of the few major leaguers I found who were as bad as Davis was in the first half of last year. Something like a .235 obp and he played a lot.
Same with LP. He was ridiculously awful thru June and may have had an OPS below .500 before getting on an all-time en fuego streak where he hit 3-4 grand slams in a week.
Lee Mazzilli was also on that team sparing everybody to death. He was pissed off because the Mets had traded him for Terrell & Darling right before the season.
That was also the spring training we traded Scoop for Hostetler (and I think Flynn).
Awful season.
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I like how a rant about the suckitude of the 82 Rangers still manages to include a Chris Davis bash
Dude, did CD hit on your wife or run over your dog or not give your kid an autograph?
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Hostetler came w/ LP
Then Oliver went on to get 2/3 of the Triple Crown w/ the Expos.
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I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that...
of course it was LP and Hoss for Scoop. Flynn came to us from the Mets for Jim Kern and then we shipped him to Montreal.
Upon further review, I think the Rangers won the Scoop trade decisively. Yeah, he was a bad ass in ’82 but was pretty much done after that (one more decent year) and we got several productive years from LP and a decent month from Hoss.
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by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, as much as I hate to admit it,
that was about it for Oliver. He was a guy who could’ve used PEDs for longevity. He could obviously still rope, at the time the oldest player to win his first batting title(Bonds eventually did it older).
He had 2 GWRBIs in the ’85 postseason for the Jays, and then he was done.
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Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Yeah, he started off with the Dodgers in '85
and then I think he became part of a DH platoon with one of the Iorg’s in Toronto.
I really loved those late 70’s Rangers teams( ‘77-79) and Scoop gets in the conversation of my Top 10 favorite Rangers. It’s a shame that core never tasted post-season success.
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by Josey Wales on Feb 15, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Dane and Garth Iorg, my 2 fall--back names after Cecilio Guante.
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by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 16, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Buddy Bell?
He was my all-time favorite for a long time and trails only Ryan & Face to this day.
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