Fake autograph
by Coolbean04 on Feb 15, 2010 12:30 PM CST
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PrintMy girlfriend ended up buying me a 2008 Donruss Elite Neftali Feliz autograph for Valentine's Day. The autograph is clearly a fraud, is their anything that can be done? She called them yesterday and left a voice mail. If they don't contact her, what should I do?
The autograph is from Sportsignaturesonline.com.
I went on the website and all the Feliz autograph cards/balls/and etc are legit signatures. I think they have a picture of a legit signature but mail out frauds to trick people.
Maybe someone like Adam with attorney experience knows what I can do?
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how could you tell?
you can probably do a lot of things like reporting them to a BBB but you should probably try calling them first and getting a hold of them. They seem like they aren’t just a scam by their internet presence (though that could be made up) so you should be able to get your money back at the very least. If you want to go further than that, then you might need some help.
How can you tell? Since it's readable?
All the sig’s I have I can’t read.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I know
because I pulled up 10 random autographs from him and it’s not even remotely close to any of them.
I’m not too internet savvy. I’m willing to take a pic of it and text it to someone and they can upload it for me so you guys can see.
If you have a camera just upload it to your computer, and then go to
tinypic.com and upload it.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Feliz is still young
He may not have a repeatable autograph yet. I imagine latin american guys have this problem for awhile when they are young.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Feb 15, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What a shocker
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 16, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
This might be a stretch
But this may be the dumbest thing ever posted on this blog. Well done bigsteve.
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by LSBUser on Feb 15, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean he may not be used to signing a ton of autographs yet
he may sign it differently if hes at a table with a line of people hes running through rather than if hes at the ballpark signing for guys up against the railing rather than if he only has a few to do for these memorabilia guys.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's more the stereotyping of Latin American players.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 15, 2010 7:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well I don't know what his or others level of education is
I know when I started signing my signature it was completely different from what it is now.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's pretty fucked up
You just assume he doesn’t know how to sign his own name?
Better examine why you hold certain beliefs.
by brettgardner on Feb 15, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Never said that
Only that he may not be used to signing it as much and may not repeat it exactly the same at his age.
I know it took me several years before I found a signature I was comfortable with and could duplicate over and over with some speed. And thats with a American education system.
So I don’t think its a huge stretch to think a kid from where Feliz is, who focused mainly on baseball as a teenager rather than education, may not be perfect signing his signature when pressed to do it fast and under pressure.
Now after seeing the picture it doesn’t look like an obvious fake. If you got offended by something I said well sorry but I don’t think anything I said was offensive or well out of line
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Jesus.
And thats with a American education system.
What a terrible, terrible indictment.
by brettgardner on Feb 15, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Better to not "imagine" that about Latin American players then.
It’s like you’re assuming they don’t know how to write correctly.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 15, 2010 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not assuming they don't know how to write
Im assuming they may have difficulty signing their autograph/signature exactly the same over and over in rapid succession at a young age.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why would only Latin American players have that problem?
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 15, 2010 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can't write anything let alone my signature.
My handwriting sucks, a lot. But it’s okay. The computer makes my typing look pretty.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Dude
You’re coming off as a complete boob on this one. Just stop.
by brettgardner on Feb 15, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
That you would say anything is hilarious.
by brettgardner on Feb 15, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
You don’t see the irony in it?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Who gives a shit what was said 2 weeks ago?
Bigsteve clearly misinterpreted what people meant when they replied to him.
I told him why one person thought his post was stupid. I can say whatever the fuck I want, when I want.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 15, 2010 10:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude you really take things way too seriously.
Not every damn situation is one life to live. You don’t always have to be young and restless, and pent up with passions. We’re all just going through the motions. This is the days of our lives.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Yeah!!!!
I can say whatever the fuck I want, when I want!!!!!
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 16, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I would say it's a realit
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Oops, didn't mean to hit post
I would suggest it’s a realistic possibility that a young player might have trouble repeating his signature until he gets comfortable with it, but that’s completely irrelevant to whether he’s from the Dominican, Japan, Lubbock, or Duluth.
I’ve got the same issue. I am fanatical about having my signature look correct and consistent and I’ve had my secretary reprint letters and court documents if I didn’t like the way I signed it the first time.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
No doubt
I know Pudge’s autograph has changed significantly since he first started out.
by Anonymous New Guy on Feb 16, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
I run into trouble at the bank all the time, I cannot replicate my signature whatsoever.
True story.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The reason I said anything about latin america is because I have seen kids from there have difficulty doing basic things
Like signing their signature. Granted not everybody has trouble and I wasn’t trying to say that. But if you gave me two guys Neftalis age, one being from America and the other from Latin America, I would guess the LA guy has more trouble repeating his signature in a autograph environment. I never said anything about not being able to write or read or anything like that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
you don't know when to cut your losses, huh?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 16, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
As long as people still want to misinterpret what I say i'll continue to defend myself
Somehow me saying he may not be able to repeat his autograph at his age turned into this huge ordeal. I do feel his Latin American education may have something to do with that since I have personally seen similar things from Latin American kids. You don’t agree with me…fine, but calling me stupid for no reason is uncalled for.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
speaking of misrepresenting something someone said
I never called you stupid…well not yet anyway.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 16, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
You're stupid.
And it’s mainly due to the fact that you have absolutely no clue about his education.
by brettgardner on Feb 16, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
x
I must have been sick when we had autograph repetition class at school.
by GregoryM on Feb 16, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
My .02
I can repeat my signature fairly well, but it’s so completely illegible that you can make out the “R” at the beginning of “Robert,” and that’s pretty much it.
My handwriting otherwise is nearly as atrocious, and I have a master’s degree. So I don’t know that education really makes a bit of difference. But I type up everything that anyone besides me is going to read, anyway.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
The odd thing is
most of his strongest competition comes from himself.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Did it come
with a Certificate of Authenticity?
I’m guessing not?
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.
Yes it did
CoA from the website. The only thing is CoA is worthless if it’s not a known company.
it doesn't seem like a completely anonymous company
just keep calling them. I feel like they’ll return your call. Maybe use *67 if you think they have your number on file
I'm bookmarking this website
:)
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 16, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry if the pic isn't clear
The card is so shiny that it’s hard to get a pic without seeing the camera.
Have access to a flatbed scanner?
That may give you the best quality.
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
It might be legit
Neftali signed a baseball for me at one of the Winter Caravan stops a few weeks ago. The signature on my ball looks a lot like the one on your card.
Also, you can compare it to the block of cheeeez that he signed for OC.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
The last name doesn't match much with the block of cheese
It might just be that one’s a card and the other is a block of cheese though
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
The cheeez
is one of 10 autographs that I used.
What really gives it away is that all the autographs that I looked at, the Z uses a sharp and straight line.
It looks remarkably like oc's cheese.
Maybe instead of immediately suspecting its fakeness (and probably putting a big wet blanket over your girlfriend’s Valentine’s Day), you should have simply called the company or done more vigorous research.
Granted, none of us are experts, but for you to say it is “clearly a fraud” is, I think, objectively false. It may turn out to be fake, but it looks pretty similar to a real signature.
by brettgardner on Feb 15, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Is it wrong I'd be OK if he signed my crotch?
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Yes that is very wrong,
especially if he used finger paint.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Feb 15, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
File a lawsuit
Subpoena Neftali and have him sign a baseball card as a demonstrative exhiit for a handwriting expert. Dismiss the lawsuit because now you have what you wanted in the first place and put the card on your desk.
Or email the people with pictures of your card versus other signatures you found on the internet, complain and threaten the BBB route.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Just tell them you want a refund, the below are from the FAQ section of their site
Q: How do I know the items are authentic?
All our items are obtained directly from the athlete, in person. We never purchase or obtain autographs from a third-party. Every signed item comes with a Certificate of Authenticity validating the authenticity of that item for life.
Q: Does Sportsignatures purchase memorabilia?
No. In order to ensure 100% authenticity, Sportsignatures does not purchase any memorabilia from outside sellers or vendors.
Q: Will Sportsignatures memorabilia pass third-party authentication services, such as PSA/DNA or JSA?
Yes. All our items are guaranteed to pass third-party authentication services and, if for any reason an item does not, we will refund 110% of the purchase price.
there you go
go to an authentication service and get more than your money back. but i would imagine it would be easier just to get 100% of your money back by returning the thing and not going through the third party
Cool girlfriend
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Yeah no shit,
I didn’t even think of that.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Feb 15, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
If this counts for anything
I met the guy who owns or works for (i’m not completely sure) sportsignatures.com at a rangers wintercaravan signing last winter at a chris davis, brandon boggs, and tom grieve signing at the Academy in Tyler, tx. The guy came off generally as a douche because he was clearly just getting stuff signed to sell it (another topic for another day) and thought he was the shit because he could spend 15 dollars to buy a baseball for chris davis to sign and sell it for 25 if he’s lucky.
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by dustinvandeman on Feb 15, 2010 11:33 PM CST reply actions
Was he wearing a fanny pack?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
That the British or American fanny pack?
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by Suicide Prince on Feb 16, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
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