Wednesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 17, 2010 8:22 AM CST
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Richard Durrett writes about the Rangers' outfield depth today, that depth primarily being David Murphy, who Durrett looks at in depth.
Anthony Andro has a spring training preview up that looks at where things are around the league.
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Murphy was a good pickup
I’m glad he’s on the team, he’s a good 4th OFer on a playoff caliber team. I still have some small hope for Beltre, but Murphy makes the Gagne trade a win all by himself.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
by t ball on Feb 17, 2010 8:29 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Spot on.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
I always maintain that signing Gagne to an $ 8 million contract and expecting him to help that team improve
was a very foolish expenditure if the goal was to make the 2007 team better but JD made a nice save by trading for Murphy at the perfect time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Disagree
Gagne was 2-0 with 16 saves and a 2.16 ERA. I think Daniels did a great job signing him for the production he gave and trading him at the right time. Double win for Daniels. Gagne was not the problem in 2007.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Gagne was only a problem when he went up the BOS, and oh how I loved seeing the Red Sox got fleeced. I mean, it looked like a good deal for them initially, as Murph wasn’t going to get much PT there anyway, but man did Gagne melt down when he went up there. And we got The Chin. Score one for the home team.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
IN the end what's an estimate on how much we actually paid Gagne?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
It happened July 31, so that's about 100 of the 162
We likely paid him about 5 of the 8 million (or 62% of his contract)
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
that is what i was thinking as well
So basically we “bought” Murphy, Beltre and Gabbard for 5 mil. Im perfectly fine with that.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 17, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Plus we included some cash
according to Baseball Reference, so let’s say 6 million. We got 4 months of a pretty good reliever and then flipped him for a very usable part, a lefty who showed some flashes, and a toolsy OF wildcard who might or might not make it. Not bad.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Also, don't forget that the trade netted us the Gabbard-Sexson fight and copious amounts of Tom Grieve comedy
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 17, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Great point.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
That was a great game
“He’s a coward!”
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
My favorite was when TAG decided he needed to apologize to all girls that were watching the game
For his comment that Sexson threw his helmet like a girl.
And then he turned the apology into another Sexson bash, claiming girls had more class than that.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
TAG was on fire, he couldn't help himself....I love when he says something in kneejerk fashion, then he thinks about it and you can tell it's bothering him and then he apologizes.
Someone (I think Big Steve) transcribed the entire TAG rant. Greatness.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
TAG just didn't give a shit
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I liked after the apology they were getting emails from girls
Saying he didn’t need to apologize.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
My favorite was
“He couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.”
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I thought he said
“and a girl can throw harder than that after” apologizing.
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
Gagne wasn't ready to pitch every day until early May
and was shipped out of here 2.5 months later. So he cost us approximately $ 5-6 million?
Couldn’t we have started that season 23-42 with somebody else as the closer and spent the money on somebody else who would have made the team better?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I'm sure we could have
Please list who you wanted that person to be. Please remember that person or people can only cost 8 million in total salary from 2007.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Here are the big names
who signed for 6 million a year or less. I used 6 million because that is what they listed Gagne as signing for…
Mark DeRosa
Rich Aurilla
Mike Piazza
Moises Alou
Marcus Giles
Awesome list…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
By the way
I’ll be here all day so I’ve got plenty of time to wait for your reply…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
big names
I would take Mark DeRosa right now for 6 million.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Would Derosa play CF everyday?
Thats the part people aren’t factoring in. We had just let GMJ walk and had no one to play out there. Laynce Nix was probably the next choice. We signed Marlon Byrd and had we known how he would do we probably wouldn’t have signed Lofton but nobody on earth could look back and at that moment say Byrd would end up doing what he did. hell he didn’t even make the team out of spring training, not that he shouldn’t have though.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I wouldn't have signed Kenny Lofton either
because spending $ 6 million on any 40 year old CF was not going to improve the 2007 Rangers.
I would have spent $ 11 million on Ted Lilly and given him a 4 year deal.
That way I could have been more patient with John Danks and not felt pressured to trade him for somebody (McCarthy) I thought was more ready to pitch in The Show.
I would have had $ 3 million left to spend on something else plus I would have had two LH starting pitchers in my rotation and ready to roll in The Show by 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
It's quite easy to go through exercises like this
when you completely ignore factoring in whether or not a player had any desire to play here.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 17, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
There were other options
to Lilly but he was the starting pitcher that I screamed the loudest about during that off-season.
Per Lilly’s contract…wanna say it was 4 years / $ 42 million when he signed it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Kenny Lofton was outstanding for the Rangers.
by FuturePants on Feb 17, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Are we really back on the Ted Lilly discussion again?
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
And Lofton?
Talk about a retread of a discussion that won’t be any different than it was three years ago.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
The whole "Let the Healing Begin" works both ways Josefina.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
When I see Lewinskys applauding JD
for what happened with Gagne, a little clarity is necessary.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Gagne
was signed by the Rangers after Lilly signed with the Cubs so STFU
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Both Lilly & Gagne were very
available after the 2006 season.
There were several severe consequences to the off-season before 2007 one of which was that JD got himself a new boss.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
They were both available
and Lilly signed with the Cubs 4 days before Gagne signed with the Rangers meaning they didnt’ necessarily sign Gagne instead of Lilly. My original statement stands, STFU
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
The Rangers didn't sign Lilly
because the stupid sonofabitch GM didn’t make a run at him.
The stupid sonofabitch, flush off signing Frankie Cat (3 years/$ 13 million) & VPadilla (3 years /$ 34 million) to big deals thought it was a better idea to make a run at Zito and when that failed he traded Danks for McCarthy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
LTHB
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
McCarthy trade
was after Lilly signed. Again, no evidence to prove the Rangers didn’t make a run at him.
2006:
January: Signs one-year, $4MM deal.
March: Makes change in follow-through. Later in month, experiences minor right shoulder injury.
April: Makes first start despite back/shoulder issues.
June: Leaves start with shoulder tightness.
August: Misses start with stiff neck. Later in month, has heated argument with manager John Gibbons after being pulled from awful start. Gibbons gets bloody nose.
October: Lilly files for free agency.
Well, that injury history definitely rules out Baltimore. Whoever signs Lilly is really going to have to take a long look at that left shoulder; he’s yet to throw 200 innings in the Majors.
It appears as if Lilly had some of the same issues that have caused you to slam the Harden signing.
Again, STFU
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Before hitting free agency
Lilly had pitched 178+ innings three times in his career.
Since 2007, Lilly is 44-26 with an ERA under 4 as a Cub and has made 95 starts in three years.
Imagine if This Thing was rolling both Lilly & Danks in the 2010 starting rotation.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Imagine if
you can play that game with every team in the MLB. STFU
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so.
JD made a terrible trade with the White Sox in part because he spent money on Gagne & Lofton instead of on Lilly. Those consequences are still felt today.
I worried about the JD hire when it was made but decided to give him a year honeymoon before rendering judgment.
That (after 2006 / before 2007) was the off-season I left Little Boy Donuts Reservation.
I came unhinged with This Thing because what JD had done (this was a year after the failed AG/Soriano trades) and was doing coupled with more Tom Hicks shenanigans. What was happening here drove me back to the sheer hopelessness of ’82 & ’85.
And then there was daylight once again and hope restored when Nolan was hired on that glorious day in February 2008.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
You're still not getting it
The fact that all of this happened after the Lilly signing, instead of before, means you have no idea whether JD went all in to try to get Lilly and then settled for the other options or not. If I was Lilly, I would have chosen CHC over Texas unless the pay difference was substantial. Stop the playing the “Be a GM” option on Video Games. It really clouds your perception of reality
Thank you
I sometimes worry that I’m the crazy one until someone backs me up. Good to know that other sane minds understand…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
x
I came unhinged with This Thing
Seriously, go to the Dodgers board. I promise nobody will try and stop you. Just go be a Dodgers fan.
by FuturePants on Feb 17, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This also needs to be going Green for Greenberg!
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
We sign Lilly means we probably hold onto Teixeira for another year
So instead of getting Feliz and Andrus we get a Kotchman type package back.
You can go on and on with the what ifs. Theres no guarantee we would be any better off today had we kept John Danks and signed Ted Lilly. And I kinda like where we are today.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I think they were resigned to
trading Tex in 2007 when they made him an offer that was at least $ 40 million below market value two weeks before the trade deadline.
They wanted to keep Michael Young so they made him an outrageous offer before spring training 2007.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Not if the great Lilly and the almighty Danks were keeping us afloat
With both of them locked in for the next few years we probably don’t go into full rebuild mode (unless we trade Lilly also which would mean we would be right where we are today).
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The misappropriation of
very limited payroll among other reasons was the cause of our need to rebuild in 2007 and the complete abortion we had to witness in 2008.
There’s a lot of revisionist history going on in here but this place along with NMLR thought we had a really good team going into 2007 because of the Gagne & Lofton signings/ dismissal of Buck.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
LTHB
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
You're going to tell us about revisionist history?
You have to be fucking kidding me.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
by WyoRanger on Feb 17, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
This needs to be green, folks.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I thought we had a good team regardless of the Gagne/ Lofton signings
I thought those were good moves at the time given our situation. Looking back maybe the reason we didn’t go after Lilly was we couldn’t commit that kind of money that far down the road to a guy like him. You know the financial mess we were in last year would only have been magnified had we had another 13 mil player on the books.
Im not gonna argue with you that the last couple years may have been a little better had things gone differently. But the present and future may also not be as bright as it is right now. Its not like the last couple years we have been the worst team in the league. We actually managed to completely rebuild our entire organization while keeping a payroll under 75 million and yet didn’t have a top 10 draft pick in that time. Thats hard for a team to do especially in such a short amount of time.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The clarity is that it was a foolish signing
if the goal was to make the team better ($ 8 million for a closer) but JD played a bad hand about as well has he could have.
For the record, I believe the optimism fans have towards the 2010 team is far more realistic than the optimism we saw in here before the 2007 season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Wasn't the idea to turn Gagne around for prospects
the idea all along, if the season didn’t work out? Win, win.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
"Flipping Gagne at the deadline
was the idea all along" is what I heard after it happened but not before the 2007 season.
This place and NMLR were all a twitter before 2007 (EGrant had us winning 90 games!!).
The Rangers did squeeze every bit of what he had left in the tank and then JD got rid of him at the perfect time for a decent package.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
No I don't think so
I think it was a low risk/high reward type signing. I don’t believe all 8 mil was guaranteed from the get go but I may be wrong on that point.
Idea was we didn’t have a closer going into 2007 and Gagne was only a couple seasons removed from being the dominant closer in the sport. If he bounced back toward his old self we would have a shut down back of the pen which is what every team strives for.
he held up his end while here but the team didn’t do as well as the FO hoped so given his contract status he was a prime trade candidate and we flipped him at the right time obviously.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That is my point Josey
Since he made the trade with Atlanta, JD has been real fucking good. This is 3 years of good drafts, smart trades and dare I say, GRITTY GM’ing of the highest magnitude. JD is a fine GM who has assembled an outstanding FO along with the President. The organization couldn’t be in better hands. Get on the fucking bus. We get you have MASSIVE reservations about JD and you love to be the contrarian. Move on. LTHB.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Let's tap those brakes for a second...
Which trades did he make post-Teixeira?
Hamilton for Eddy V, Laird for Moscoso and then what?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
You mean other than those 2
Well you got the Millwood trade which allowed him to out maneuver all the obstacles of this off season. You got the pickups like O’Day or the picking of the pocket of the Angels with Warner Madrigal. The DGut trade for Pina is a nice one too. I think DGut(assuming maturity) is a helluva of find. LTHB.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
It's pre-Teixeira,
but the Coco trade was fantastic. Got two high draft picks out of Lee, and Nellie.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
How about
Freddy Guzman for Chris Shelton
Tug Hulett for Ben Broussard
Volquez (and Danny Ray Herrera) for Hambone
Armando Galarraga for Michael Hernandez (ouch! but was forced by a bad roster crunch)
Jose Marte for Dustin Nippert
Kevin Mench for Stacks o’Cash (Cash has been a great contributor to the club over the years)
Eddie Guardado for Mark Hamburger (“I’ll gladly pay you Teusday….”)
John Mayberry Jr for Greg Golson
Wes Littleton for Beau Vaughan and Stacks little brother Piles o’Cash
Gerard Laird for Chris Melo and Guillermo Moscoso
Matt Neveras for Ivan Rodriguez
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Agreed
the video game theory. Pick the guy off the list, sign him, put him on the roster.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
The trading / expenditure of limited payroll decisions
made before the 2007 season dealt this organization severe consequences.
Those are the kind of decisions that cause you begin a season 23-42, give up 967 runs and kill attendance.
If this organization really had a hard-on for Murphy, they could have had him relatively cheap because he was going nowhere in Boston’s OF.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Lilly made
13 million last year
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
And here i thought yesterday was a sign of good things coming
instead, another day, another stupid Gagne/Lofton sucked and Lilly is Cy Young day.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Live In The Past! It's much easier to appear correct about everything that way...or revise history if it doesn't fit your little scenario.
All I see is a bunch of blank spaces in this thread, ha.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Some of us have higher standards of acceptance for our baseball teams and don't like it
when the management of our favorite team shits in our hats.
Can’t remember if your creepy little private message to me (Do you wanna meet me?) at NMLR came after or before the 2007 season but I was very upfront at the time how much I wanted Lilly and how much I disagreed with those moves at the time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I would love
to take a dump in your hat. Can we arrange that?
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks.
Rodney is your man.
You can do it in his hat and he’ll even say thank you.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care about Rodney's hat
It’s your hat or nothing AA
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
WTF?
I don’t even wear hats…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Nope.
I still like the Dodgers a lot (my childhood team) but my favorite team is noneother than the Ding Dong Rangers.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
x
Richard Durrett writes about the Rangers’ outfield depth today, that depth primarily being David Murphy, who Durrett looks at in depth.
I’m going to make sure I read this in depth.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That was deep.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Murph's a big league baseball player
He’s a blue-collar player who comes to work everyday and isn’t afraid to get dirty. He always gives 110% and is the the total team player.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Bull. Dog.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
How much better would Murph be if he could grow a beard?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
There's gotta be a metric for that
wOBAwB
(weighted On-Base Average with Beard)
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
by jam0152 on Feb 17, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We also haven't mentioned "white"
Which is a critical component to all this grittiness.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Buck Showalter Quote (about RA Dickey and why he played him ALL THE TIME)
He just looks like a ballplayer.
That is probably the one
that pisses me off the most.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 17, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Buck
Way too caught up in the whole “Good Face” thing.
And as much as people bitch about Washington, let’s remember that Buck not only had a hand in the departure of Doug Davis, but thought it was a good idea that same year (2003) to give over 500 at-bats to the three-headed offensive juggernaut of Shane Spencer, Ryan Christenson, and Donnie Sadler.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
I'll never understand
all the Buck hate from Ranger fans.
That ’04 team was the start of something special and he had a big role in that.
When Hicks sat on his wallet that off-season (Hidalgo, Astacio, really?), the rest of team rebelled against all forms of management and I think Buck got caught up in that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
And they also rebelled because Buck was, by all accounts, an unlikeable micromanager who players despised playing for
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Do you have a link?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I don't feel like scouring the interwebs for links right now, but it's something that's been mentioned in many, many stories about his time in New York, Arizona, and Texas
A player’s manager, he was not.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
I have never read a
direct quote from anybody that played for Buck in Texas that was highly critical.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I also don't mind having
a manager that the players don’t like.
These guys love Ron Washington and four years in, I’m not sure that’s a great thing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
It's a fine line
they have to like him while he commands their utmost respect. Say what you want about Torre, but those guys loved him while always knowing who was the boss.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Earl Weaver, Billy Martin
TLR never gave a shit if their players liked them.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
And
no other manager has ever won a W.S. so good point.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Having players like you is not necessarily a prerequisite to success, I agree
But along the lines of what ASL says, it’s a fine line between being not liked, but respected, and just flat out despised. Bill Parcells was not particularly liked, but commanded respect amongst most players. My little sister is quitting high school basketball after this season because she’s tired of dealing for a coach who just yells and yells but commands exactly zero respect and is not a particularly good coach either.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
A-Rod didn't like him
because of dress rules and stopping his consecutive games played streak.
Screw A-Rod, I liked Buck as a manager.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Didn't ARod try
to take batting practice in his shorts at spring training on one of the back fields and Buck said “I don’t think so”?
This Thing was fucked up after 2002 and throwing down a little discipline on ARod may have been necessary.
ARod may have chafed at the discipline but he had a helluva year (59 bombski’s and won the MVP in 2003).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Not a quote
but does the fact that 15% of 470 players in 2006 said Buck was the worst manager in baseball do anything for you? Only Frank Robinson was viewed by the players as worse (17%).
Oh, and that was just off the top of my head.
by Anonymous New Guy on Feb 17, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Buck
is well-liked by players and his shelf life for a team may not be more than 4 years but in three different places he’s shown the ability to reverse a team’s fortunes dramatically.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
And each time
he’s worn out his welcome shortly afterwards
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I totally agree with that
but that’s not what you were…nevermind, I don’t care that much.
by Anonymous New Guy on Feb 17, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well im sure
Randy Galloway might have written something about someone who might be a source who knows about what might have been said.
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
You want a link?
You first for:
the rest of team rebelled against all forms of management
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Expect a comment about Kevin Mench here, Wyo
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Showalter
Pretty much every depiction of him in the baseball media I’ve ever read had three things in common:
1. He’s great at building a team
2. He has no sense of humor
3. He’s an overbearing horse’s ass
There’s a whole chapter on the Buck era in Buster Olney’s book on the Yankees, and it wasn’t a very flattering portrayal. I have several friends who are Yankee fans, and none of them have much good to say about the man either.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
Joe Torre
won a lot of championships with the foundation laid down by Buck and so did Brenley in Az.
Buck should have been a horse’s ass when he came to Texas because This Thing was a mess.
I give him a pass on what happened after 2004 (although I can’t disagree with him being let go) because the players were rebellious of the owner and it filtered down to all forms of management.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 17, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think ANYONE questions Buck's ability to lay a foundation
And I’m certainly not.
Buck’s problems surfaced at each of those places after the foundation was laid.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
The players rebelled against Buck
b/c he took their side on it too.
"My expectations today are that we're going to be extremely competitive and if we don't win our division, I'll be disappointed." Nolan Ryan
After '82-'92
they should love what he built.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Buck
I always hated the little dance he did when he went to the mound. That for me was the most aggravating thing he did for me.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
um
we don’t say white. we just imply it through the use of the other adjectives that leave out things like skill, strength, and athletic ability.
Just to throw a few names out there...
Tony Gwynn, Marlon Anderson, Marlon Byrd, Chone Figgins, Dave Henderson, Damion Easley, Shawn Dunston, Rajai Davis, Marquis Grissom, and Darryl Hamilton.
Not real sure if any of those guys would fit that “gritty” category or not, but that’s the best I could come up with of the top of my head.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Umm what about the ultimate player of grittiness and intangibles
Mark McClemore
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
this.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Pete Rose was gritty...
The Hit King made Ray Fosse’s xyphoid process explode in an All-Star game…sheer grit.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Gritty = shitty
And shitty doesn’t discriminate.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
by WyoRanger on Feb 17, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
See...
I don’t always think that’s the case. I wouldn’t say guys like Rusty Greer and Lenny Dykstra were shitty ballplayers, but I think they fit in that “gritty” category.
Perhaps fan favorites that are overrated or guys that aren’t the most talented or athletic players around, but are still decent players.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Why not completely embrace
the gritty, gutty, old school white COF Texas Ranger fan favorite shtick and dye his hair red & dramatically increase his obp?
Those early 2000’s Ranger teams could have used them some Rusty Greer in the line-up instead of on the eternal DL.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
That would be awesome if he came out with some LeeLoo Dallas hair.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Im very disappointed in all of you...
Everyone missed the best cliche ever:
“David Murphy, he is a gamer”
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 17, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Hustler.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Lunch bucket/ punches the clock
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Wrong, The Fall Guy.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I jerked off
to Heather Thomas so many times in my youth.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
What about Markie Post?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Underrated
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Hot and curvy
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Gotta feel kinda bad for a guy like Branyan....after his year last year he probably thought he'd get his only multi-year offer giving him some retirement cushion.
Damn economy.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 8:49 AM CST reply actions
It's also his bad back
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 17, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Evan's ranking go on
@dmn_rangers Texas Rangers – Top 25: Best Rangers prospects (Nos. 15-11): BLOGGER’S NOTE: If you want to talk baseball this aft… http://bit.ly/9h5Fj1
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Oh Man
If the 29th ranked prospect in the history of the franchise is only ranked 13th in the organization this year, then we MUST have a really deep farm system
x
@fangraphs New post: Endy Chavez: The Perfect Fifth Outfielder? (http://bit.ly/aFTeFt)
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Snap! Can't wait.
This is only the latest in a series of excellent move for the Rangers over the course of this offseason. The AL West is certainly shaping up as one of the most exciting divisions in baseball this year.
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
What I hope
is that the AL West is shaping up to be one of the most boring divisions in baseball this year, with a certain Central Time Zone team running away with it.
Go Rice Owls!
TOMORROW -- PITCHERS and CATCHERS!
WOOT!
Mother effin’ Sping Training!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Feb 17, 2010 10:41 AM CST reply actions 13 recs
recommended.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty soon we'll have baseball games every glorious night
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
OT: Anyone remember the guy who got tased in Oakland during a Rangers/As game this year?
Guy is in the spotlight once again for the instant internet legend “I AM A MOTHERFUCKER”
“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=57379” target="new">
Crazy motherfucker.
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 17, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions
wasn't that guy
supposedly a Rangers fan. That was crazy.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
remember that White Sox father/son tandem who charged the 1st base ump, or maybe it was the 1st base coach...don't remember who the Sox were playing.
South Side fool!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Gambo, first base coach for the Royals.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
yeah, that was crazy as well
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
The drunk dad
said Gambo “flicked (sic) us off. He got what he deserved.” That was a class act, especially since both of them were shirtless. “Flicked” us off, not flipped us off. Now, THAT’S white trash.
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
His son was like 17 and liquored up....awesome.
Forgot about not wearing shirts…beautiful.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Corrected link:
But eff that, I got totally distracted by the Megan Armoni clip…Schwing!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I saw this, they're calling the old man, "Epic Beard Man"
That old man kicks the shit out of that dude.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Feb 17, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
^Gamboa
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
So there's a baseball message board I post on.
It has a lot of smart people and a lot of Mariners fans. Unfortunately for this group, the smart and the Mariners are not the same too often.
Anyway, today someone posted the CHONE projections on this group (something I’ve long since learned not to do unless the Angels and Mariners are going to be awesome). Most people are treating them the way they should with stuff that amounts to “that’s interesting” and “we’ll see.”
But oh no. The Mariners fans are freaking out on the horrible predictions. Despite CHONE’s excellent track record that puts them to shame, it’s embarassing itself this year with how much it hates the Mariners. Sean Smith is clearly biased.
And it got me thinking, “I’ve seen this before. . .” I remembered back to 2008. The Mariners had, just like 2007, put together a winning record thanks to destroying their pythagorean expectations. Someone posted various projections saying the Mariners would be sucky and the Mariners fans freaked out. “WE ADDED ERIK BEDARD!”
Short memories I guess. This feels a lot like then, except they don’t look quite as bad in the projections and they actually have a future. But the Ms fans are still dumbasses.
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