John Perrotto on 2010 Major League Payrolls
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 21, 2010 1:25 PM CST
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PrintI offer the following without comment:
Because it wouldn't be baseball season without talking about money at some point, here are the projected Opening Day payrolls for the 30 major-league clubs:
Yankees: $200 million
Red Sox: $170 million
Mets: $140 million
Phillies: $140 million
Cubs: $138 million
Angels: $120 million
Cardinals: $105 million
Tigers: $105 million
Dodgers: $100 million
Giants: $100 million
White Sox: $100 million
Twins: $96 million
Braves: $95 million
Astros: $93 million
Mariners: $90 million
Blue Jays: $86 million
Brewers: $85 million
Diamondbacks: $79 million
Orioles: $75 million
Reds: $75 million
Rockies: $74 million
Rays: $72 million
Royals: $68 million
Indians: $65 million
Nationals: $63 million
Rangers: $58 million
Athletics: $56 million
Marlins: $45 million
Padres: $40 million
Pirates: $36 million
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Barry Zito will do that to you
along with some help from Lincecum
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 21, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Aaron Rowand
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
We're not last, yay!
Dude, this is embarrassing. If we can compete with that payroll the entire front office deserves massive kudos.
I hope Tom Hicks gets Zeke-face.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
How is that embarrassing?
To have the talent the Rangers have at such a low payroll cost is something to be proud of if you ask me. Royals and Pirates fans can bitch about this list, but Rangers fans should be smug as hell. It is simply awesome that the Rangers have the talent to win the division with a bottom-five payroll, and deserves all the more kudos.
Plus, think of the crazy amount of money the new ownership could invest in huge free agents in the future since the payroll is starting so low.
Ok, but let's not pretend
that it’s that low by design instead of necessity. A team on the cusp of playoff contention would have loved to have more financial flexibility to add the necessary pieces.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
by t ball on Feb 21, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I hear you Tex34, but what t ball said.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
would you rather be us and have room to pick someone up later
or the Astros and have no shot in hell in the division and no future because their farm system is the equivalent of Atari 2600 in a PS3 era
Nobody is perfect, i am nobody, therefore, i am perfect
I don't understand your comment.
Of course I’d want room to pick someone up later. And we won’t until this sale is finalized. My issue was that we’re there and we didn’t have room to add anyone this year, or last year.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
No idea...but the fact that we couldn't add anyone is what I'm bitching about.
I didn’t do any research on FA’s (OR trade targets) before making this complaint.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
The biggest complain I can make about that
is that we couldn’t sign Matt Purke. Sure, we could’ve used a good bat a trade deadline, but the Angels were on an unbelievable tear at that moment, it still would’ve been very close.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Yah, Purke's a big one.
There’s lots of stuff I’d’ve added if we had an owner willing to spend the last few years.
Porcello.
Drew Pomeranz, Anthony Renaudaoodo, Jack Armstrong, Kevin Keyes… all drafted by us, iirc, and none signed.
Adam Dunn was available at a pretty reasonable price last year and we didn’t have the cash to sign him… We make the playoffs with Dunn as our DH last year, don’t we?
I could go on and on…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 22, 2010 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
Pomeranz and Renaudo
It might have taken ridiculous over-slot money to get them signed. Weren’t they pretty serious about going to college?
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Yah, but so were lots of dudes who ended up signing.
They’d’ve prolly taken 1mm+ each, but I’m such a huge proponent of spending on J2’s and in the draft that I’d’ve done that in a heartbeat.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 22, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love to have signed both
and I’ve hated seeing their names near the top of the 2010 draft boards over the last year or so. Pomeranz might be available when the Rangers pick.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
No
That’s another $7 million more, although I suspect most teams also have some of that as well.
by Darrell McKown on Feb 21, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
at my house we call this thread...
…“poking the bear”…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
i'm actually shocked...
…it took 9 hours after my posting to get that joke… i think you could have done so much more with it.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Wow, I didn't realize that the Twins were closing on $100 million
Always thought of them as a low payroll type of team
They are spending
quite a bit on the likes of Pavano and Cuddyer and they gave extensions to guys like Nathan and all their young guys are arb-eligible. Once Mauer signs, they’ll be a 100+ million team.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
New Ballpark
I am sure their new ballpark has a lot to do with this.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Feb 21, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, the new ballpark definitely helps. Plus didn't the senior Pohlad die and his heirs took over?
I remember reading they wouldn’t be as adverse to spending to win.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I think I read recently
that they said they’re nearing their upper limit, even with the new ballpark. Probably room to sign Mauer, but it might be backloaded/deferred, and they’ll be reducing payroll for the rest of the roster after next year or two.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Pohlad
yes, Carl Pohlad passed away in 2009. His sons are now running the show, lead primarily by Bill Pohlad. They have publicly expressed that they will open up their wallets for special circumstances
Yah, seven million for one year of Carl Pavano blew my baseball pants the fuck off.
But O-Dog and Hardy were solid deals to solidify their MIF.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
They took a risk and lost
But it is still quite funny.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Son
Yeah, his son (Jim) is now running the show. In this article, he says that the team should spend about 51% of revenue on players.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Feb 21, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
51%
that’s a rather arbitrary number, why not 51.5?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
All I can really say about that...
is at least we’re not Mets fans.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Or fans of the PIrates....what misery.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
or Athletics fans
because if we were, we’d all either be women or gigantic douchebags.
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
by FirebatM3 on Feb 21, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Pirates
You know, it is not so bad to be a Pirates fan. Yes, they have been bad for a long time, and whomever was in charge never had a sound plan to make the team better. Huntington, however, knows what he is doing. From the USA Today:
During approximately the last two years… The Pirates have traded 16 players, eight of them potential free agents, and gotten 29 in return. Twenty-two of the Pirates’ 30 top prospects were not in the organization two years ago.
The Pirates also have added 25 scouts, tripled their budget to sign international players and doubled their budget to sign draft picks. They’ve invested in an academy in the Dominican Republic.
They may not be spending money on the major league team, but they are spending money. Moreover, the Pirates are spending money in the right places.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Feb 21, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, I wish we'd've drafted and signed guys like Cain and Von Rosenberg late like the Pirates did.
Just imagine where they’d be if they didn’t blow all those early picks on douche bags like Bullington, Moscos and Lincoln.
Bullington over Bossman Junior and Moscos over Wieters set them back fucking huge.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Moskos was probably thrilled... But beyond him (and possibly his friends and family) I don't think anyone even remotely dug that pick.
I can see shying away from Wietsey boy and his huge contract demands, but even so there were better options than fucking Moskos.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
More than one way to skin a cat
As my cat looks at me suspiciously while I type.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Was not aware of the current GM's skllls. Hopefully they'll be wearing shades soon.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Wasn't Omaya a candidate here once upon a time?
I seem to remember his name being bandied about when Hicks fired Melvin’s mustache.
Who’d’ve been worse, Hart or Minaya? And how the mother fucking shit ass does Minaya keep that job?
I honestly don’t know…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, and had strong support from the local columnists
If I remember correctly.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
and Gammons, of course
If he thinks it’s a good idea, I’m pretty much looking for reasons it’s not.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Bobby Crosby for AL MVP !!!
That one will never stop making me giggle.
Nev. Fucking. Ver.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I hope these kind of numbers
don’t make Greenberg spend money just for the sake of it. Be wise Chuck, and patient.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Apparently
the hangup is the fact that Joe Mauer wants some deferred money to cap the tax hit he takes and the Twins refused. How awful would it be if your franchise lost their star because of refusal to defer money?
"If the Saints can reach the Superbowl, the Rangers can reach the World Series." - PhilKid
The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
When push comes to shove,
I imagine they’ll do what’s needed. He seems like a 1 teamer.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Any salary JMauer gets is already well over the maximum income tax rate so I don't see that as being the case.
I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.
There is a lot of creativity in the tax code
if Mauer intends to use them later in life
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 21, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Every offer the Rangers make to players
should list as point number 1: Texas has no income tax.
Point number 2: Texas has no income tax.
Point number 3: Texas has no income tax.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Feb 21, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I'm really thinking about figuring out a way to get back to The Great State
especially since I have to pay Oklahoma on my taxes nearly every single year. It’ll all go to a giant moonshine and cockfighting event where everyone has to wear overalls to get in.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Went to some cockfights in Ardmore back in the day...
…my past uncle worked the ring for a “breeder.”
I have a friend from HS whose dad still raises cocks for the ring…..
One of the most disturbing things around but truly a magnificent people watching event.
I’ve paid state income tax once in IL and it made me want to vomit.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I grew up in Oklahoma
And never been to a cockfight nor have I ever heard of where one was.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I don't think they can do it now....
..but in the early 90’s and before it was rampant.
I even bought food at the event….chicken fingers if you can believe it……I didn’t see any talon wounds, so I grubbed.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Man I'm 41 and never saw one.
And I grew up in a very small town. I must never have tried to find one.
What other food would you serve and a cockfight? LOL
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I was 16 at the time, all I remember is that I ate fingers and they didn't sweat serving me beer.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Nice
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I think the only good thing about Oklahoma
other than the fact a lot of my business is there…. No matter where your at you can always find a liquor store near by.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball." - Terence Mann
That is true
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
but that's because you can only buy REAL beer at a liquor store.
But I see your point. There are 3 within a 5 minute drive of my house.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
What do you do in Oklahoma?
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Safe and Vault work
for banks all over the state.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball." - Terence Mann
Wow that's cool
Ever hear of a town called Drumright?
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Just north of Stroud?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball." - Terence Mann
Yep
That would be it. I grew up there. Tiny little town.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Never been through there
but I have banks in Stroud, Chandler, Davenport, and many others in the area that we do work for.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball." - Terence Mann
You've never been to a cockfight yet in LSB
you publicly hoped that I’d wrap my car around a telephone pole and laughed out loud when somebody in here wished cancer on somebody else even though your own father died of cancer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 21, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Man, even for you this comment doesn't make a shit fuck of sense.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 22, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It makes perfect sense to little boomer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 22, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
my aunt and uncle
own the skate rink in Ardmore
by corbsclinton on Feb 22, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
No that would be Arkansas
What part of Oklahoma do you live.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
I actually live in OKC
I was just making an Oklahoma joke…this part of the state is actually quite civilized! I do hate the damn state income tax, though.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
that is why I live in Texas
Plus the lack of jobs up there.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
The other day, I saw OKC as the #3 best job market in the US
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
wow
Been a long time since I lived in Oklahoma. It use to be an oil state. When the price of oil went down so did the jobs.
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
well, the article did say the energy market fuels the jobs
but I think there has been substantial growth in the natural gas segment of the energy market, so it’s not just oil.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
That's one guy
I wouldn’t fear spending on, even if he had to DH a majority of games on the back-end of the deal.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
But remember
His stated payroll goal and running of a franchise will be in the mold of the Angels and Phillies…check out their payrolls. Would be nice…
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
It'll probably be several years before we hit that high a number
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Payroll
Given where this team is on the development cycle, I’m not that bothered by the current payroll level. We will need to add a significant amount of payroll over the next few years to keep this team together, assuming the young players continue to develop as we expect.
Taking the payroll down and rebuilding the team was definitely the right move to make, rather than trying to spend our way back. Whether that was a good decision, or one made out of financial necessity, is debatable, but I’m happy with where we are right now.
They could have spent more this offseason, but I’m not sure what I would have wanted them to do. I don’t think outspending the Cards or Mets for Holliday or Bay would have been a good strategy, or going 5 years for John Lackey. There may have been a couple guys that would have been nice on one- or two-year deals (maybe Ben Sheets, Mike Cameron), but all-in-all I would rather have a situation where the front office and new ownership isn’t bogged down with long-term deals and has significant flexibility as we head into 2010-2012.
Absolutely
Still it’s a little embarrassing that a team in the DFW metromess is spending the same as the effing Marlins who struggle to get 5,000 fans in their seats a game.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball." - Terence Mann
Wow...
there’s somebody within $50 million of the Yankees this year…
…on a somewhat related note, could the Rangers start their own TV Channel? Isn’t that part of the source of the Yankees wealth? I honestly don’t know, because I thought the Red Sox were on a FSN affiliate, and they seem to be doing alright for themselves (and in a smaller stadium).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Gaylord tried to do that a couple decades ago,
and Reinsdorf helped block it. I don’t know the logistics.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Riensdorf is the David Stern of baseball.
He’s that shitty and terrible.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
tv channel
If the Rangers just pitch their games as some kind of insanely stupid reality show, it would be a hit. Every fucking channel now is really just a reality show channel. Maybe if the Rangers claim there are ghosts in the ballpark one of the 73 channels currently showing ghost hunting douchebags in night goggles will broadcast their games and cut them a big check.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Or better yet
We hire Snooki as a ballgirl.
We couldeven bring Kenny Rogers back to punch her in the face every once in a while!
Not a fan of spending for spending's sake
But it’s crazy how our payroll is so low and yet our market so gigantic. I look forward to new management improving things and, heaven forbid, spending some money on non-Chan Ho type players.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
The Rangers are a team of young players
who are mostly pre-arbitration or just one year into it. Of course their salaries are going to be low.
I’m happy seeing a low payroll this year, because it, and the few long term commitments, gives the Rangers a) lots of room to sign guys next offseason, when the crop is much better and b) lots of ability to sign some of these kids long term.
We went through almost a decade of being in the top third or so of payrolls, and all it got us was a few lousy third place finishes. Money /= success.
Go Rice Owls!
BUT IT'S THE NUMBER 5 MEDIA MARKET!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
true
I suggest the Rangers send me a check for $20 million dollars, then everyone will stop whining that they don’t spend much money, they’ll still have one of the youngest, most promising teams in baseball, and I’ll be $20 million richer.
Go Rice Owls!
But, but, but
The Royals?!?!
/John from Plano
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Next years FA class
I don’t really see that many great names. Looking at our current roater we should be set at all IF and OF spots. Assuming Smoak is ready by next Opening Day theres your DH (if both he and Davis are on the roster one will be DH and the other at 1B).
Catcher is really the only positional spot we could be in need of if Salty and Teagarden don’t progress this year but assming Mauer stays in Minnesota theres really only Victor Martinez that is intriguing at that position.
Pitching wise I don’t see us in the market if we decide to resign Harden and if we don’t then its either Beckett or Lee thats out there.
The point is mainly even if we go out in FA its gonna be salary increases due to service time and arbitration that causes our payroll to go up. I wouldn’t be suprised to see a payroll still south of 75 million next year yet our team be considerably better
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't get this.
I think that the coming offseason is shaping up to be one of the better ones of the past 5 years.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Just looking at Cots and our current roster
Besides backup spots (UT IF, and 25th man) we shouldn’t need any starters offensively next year besides possibly catcher. Lets say we sign VMart. How much more than Vlads 6.5 mil will he make? 3-5 mil?
Pitching wise say we give Cliff Lee a deal worth 15 mil per year. Thats 7.5 mil more than Harden is making this year. Those would be the two big money FA pickups we could make and its only adding 10-12 mil. Its gonna be the arbitration raises that really increase our payroll. If we make both those acquisitions we will be over 75 mil but if we don’t go after a catcher I could see us being between 72 and 75 million next year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
My point was:
There’s a lot of good names out there…at a lot of postions. There’s enough that there’s no way they all get extended before FA 2011 starts.
Now, if your point is that we don’t need to sign someone at 5 different positions, then, um…well, yeah, but I don’t know anyone who thinks this team needs to add $100 million in payroll next offseason.*
*Unless Mauer is involved, then sure, go for it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Strictly looking at the FA class in general yeah its a nice class
But it doesn’t really matter how good it is if we don’t have openings at those positions which was my point originally. Catcher and starting pitcher are the only positions I see us spending considerable money on in FA and those positions lack a ton of big names.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Uhh...
This year’s Free agents at Catcher and Starting Pitcher:
Rod Barajas TOR (B), Josh Bard BOS, Michael Barrett TOR, Henry Blanco SD, Ramon Castro CWS, Jason Kendall MIL (B), Jason LaRue STL, Chad Moeller BAL, Benji Molina SF (A), Jose Molina NYY, Miguel Olivo KC (B), Mike Redmond MIN, Ivan Rodriguez TEX (B), Brian Schneider NYM, Yorvit Torrealba COL (B), Gregg Zaun TB (B)
Brandon Backe HOU, Erik Bedard SEA (B), Daniel Cabrera ARZ, Bartolo Colon CWS, Jose Contreras COL, Doug Davis ARZ (B), Justin Duchscherer OAK (B), Adam Eaton COL, Kelvim Escobar LAA, Jon Garland LAD (B), Tom Glavine ATL, Mike Hampton HOU, Rich Harden CHC (B), Livan Hernandez WAS, John Lackey LAA (A), Jason Marquis COL (B), Brett Myers PHI, Vicente Padilla * LAD (B), Carl Pavano MIN (B), Brad Penny SF, Odalis Perez WAS, Andy Pettitte NYY (B), Joel Pineiro STL (B), Sidney Ponson KC, Jason Schmidt LAD, John Smoltz STL, Jarrod Washburn DET, Todd Wellemeyer STL, Randy Wolf (A)
Next year’s Catchers and Starting Pitchers (interesting to me=Bold)
Catchers
Josh Bard BOS, Ramon Hernandez CIN, Gerald Laird DET, Victor Martinez BOS, Joe Mauer MIN, Miguel Olivo KC,
A.J. Pierzynski CWS, David Ross ATL, Matt Treanor DET, Jason Varitek BOS, Gregg Zaun TB ,
Starting Pitcher:
Bronson Arroyo CIN *, Josh Beckett BOS, Joe Blanton PHI
Jeremy Bonderman DET, David Bush MIL, Daniel Cabrera ARZ, Matt Cain SF *, Jorge De La Rosa COL, Jeff Francis COL *, Jon Garland LAD, Aaron Harang CIN *, Tim Hudson ATL, Cliff Lee PHI, Ted Lilly CHC, Braden Looper MIL, Noah Lowry SF, Kevin Millwood TEX, Jamie Moyer PHI,
Vicente Padilla LAD, Tim Redding NYM, Nate Robertson DET, Ian Snell SEA *,
Jeff Suppan MIL *, Willy Tavarez CIN, Javier Vazquez ATL,
Brandon Webb ARI, Jake Westbrook CLE, Dontrelle Willis DET, Chris Young SD *
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
OK
I don’t count Mauer since he aint leaving Minn. I am not particularly interested in AJ especially given his age and mediocre performance. VMart interests me like I said above. But considering Smoak probably replaces Vlad at DH Vlads salary will go a long way to signing VMart so the increase isn’t much.
And Beckett, Lee and possibly Hudson are the only pitchers I would want to sign. The others don’t interest me. So if we let Harden walk his salary will go a decent way toward signing one of those guys meaning the increase isn’t that much which was my whole point originally.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I get your point.
My point was:
There’s a lot of good names out there…at a lot of postions. There’s enough that there’s no way they all get extended before FA 2011 starts.
I think that the coming offseason is shaping up to be one of the better ones of the past 5 years.
In response to your point:
Next years FA class
I don’t really see that many great names
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
OK I guess if you crop just that portion out yeah I am wrong
But if you just read a couple more sentences its very obvious I am meaning only the positions we need.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ha ha, I like that you bolded Lowry and Pierzynski.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Meh...
..makes the point. It’s not that I want the Rangers to sign any or all of them, just that there’s a lot more talent out there next year than in most year’s. bigsteve and others have talked about how next year’s FA class isn’t that great…but it really is pretty good. Even if a lot of the players aren’t at (projected) need positions for the Rangers, it still matters. There are still only so many dollars to go around, and the more talented guys out there, the better the situation for the Rangers.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
He's assuming nobody will give him a long-term deal today,
right?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Sorry...
…just used Cot’s 2011 FA list. I tried to edit out the guys I knew weren’t applicable, but wasn’t meaning it to be conclusive.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Lowry a FA now?
I thought we were looking at possibly giving him a minor league deal this winter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The catchers
Martinez turns 32 in December, and is at a point where he’s probably not a long term answer behind the plate, given his age and defensive issues.
Mauer isn’t likely to hit the market.
That leaves you with Pierzynski and Laird as the top f.a. catchers after next season.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 21, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Laird > Ramon Hernandez?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Question:
Do you think the 2011 Free Agent class, as it stands right now, will be one of the best in the past few years? Especially if you broaden the categories to include other positions…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Or trades
A guy like Grady Sizemore could be available and someone we might go after.
Or, if we want to dream, Zack Greinke, who salary goes from $7 million in 2010 to a total of $27 million in 2011 and 2012.
by Darrell McKown on Feb 21, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Come on, that's not fair. Everyone knows Big Steve can't process two variables at once.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Or the fact I don't see the need to make those types of trades
I’ll take Greinke but that probably means no Lee which going back to the original point doesn’t really increase payroll that much.
And people really need to get Greinke out of their minds. Hes not gonna be traded.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You seem to be awful certain that he won't be traded
What evidence do you have to support that?
There are maybe 10 players in baseball that with certainly would not be traded.
And then factor in Dayton Moore.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 21, 2010 4:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why would they trade him
The Royals farm system is not bare. Its not as full as ours but its not bare.
Hes not at an age where he won’t be good by the time those young guys are ML ready.
While his contract does balloon they lose some pretty significant salary next winter which should offset that ballooning. Guillens 12 mil comes off next winter, Meches 12 mil comes off after 2011, DeJesus’s 4.7 mil comes off next winter, Farnsworths 4.5 mil comes of next winter, Cruz’s 3.25 mil comes off next winter possibly.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I wonder if...
the money the league is going to send our way for being near the bottom in payroll is going to make up for the loans we took out from last year. The league is going to send some of that sweet sweet luxury tax money the Rangers way, right?
Great conspiracy idea
And most likely true. And quite insanely funny to me.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
OT: book recommendations
We’re flying to Malaysia next month to visit the in-laws, about a 36-hour trip each way…and I’ll likely have some down time looking at the ocean while there. Anyone have any must-reads? I’m into history for non-fiction, and Sci-Fi/Fantasy Fiction.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
'The Fifties' by David Halberstam
It’s a 1,000 page plus tome.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Im not sure how conservative/liberal you are
but a good one by Walter Truett Anderson is “Reality Isn’t What It Used To Be”.
Looks at global politics, and essentially how peoples lives have changed over time, and a look at society as the “man followers” and drones. Good read, very big vocab is required tho.
PM Productions - Song of the Week - Clip of the Week
"Heres the thing... I made that tape special for today, my special Monday morning tape for you, SPECIAL!
Well it's fucking Monday afternoon you should get out of bed earlier!"
John Cusack and Jack Black, High Fidelity
by FormerLSBUser on Feb 21, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
lets see
Cryptonomicon is my go-to recommendation. 1100 pages dealing with history, wwii, monetary theory, and tech nerdiness.
The baroque trilogy, also be stephenson, is very good.
I really liked tony judts history of postwar europe, and can recommend that
On scifi, anything by alastair reynolds or greg egan is good. Charles stross is hit or miss, but his eschaton series is terrific.
If space opera is your thing, check out peter hamilton. Super cheesy, but engrossing.
John scalzi is good heinleinesque scifi.
Chernows biographies of rockefeller and hamilton are great.
“Nixon and Kissinger” came out recently, and I really enjoyed that.
There’s also a book called “three who made a revolution” that traces stalin, lenin and trotskys lives up to the time of the revoltion.
Pynchons “against the day” is really good…it is speculative sci fi taking place 100 years ago as it would have been written in 1900
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 21, 2010 4:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm
maybe I’ll take the Crypto plunge. I’m leaning towards a book on the Black Plague, so that would be different enough for variety. I need something deep to balance all the time I’m going to spend with my daughter, who will turn 4 on the trip.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Oh
Speaking of the Black Plague, Connie Wills is a good fusion of sci-fi and history, as well.
The Doomsday Book (which deals with 21st century time travel sending a researcher back to the Middle Ages) and To Say Nothing of the Dog are both excellent.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 21, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Do you read
Harry Turtledove? My brother loves him, but I merely enjoy his alternate histories. Wills sounds interesting.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Meh for me
I enjoyed a few of them at first, but after a while I got bored with his stuff .Evidently, I was enamored with the concept, but not his writing.
It takes 250 pages or so..
…to really get going.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 21, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
You are a patient man.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Well
The first 250 pages aren’t bad, it is just slow and it isn’t really clear what the plot really is.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
‘The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire’ by Gibbon or ‘History of the World’ by J.M. Roberts could certainly keep you busy for awhile.
Anything from Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, or Aristophanes (for the comedic aspect) is always good too imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Another suggestion
If you’re into science, WWII, or the Cold War, Richard Rhodes’ The Making of the Atomic Bomb and Dark Sun: The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb. Nearly 1800 pages combined, but you’ll learn everything you ever wanted to know about the history of physics, the Manhattan Project, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the nuclear arms race between the US and USSR.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
Books
One Bullet Away by Nathaniel Fick
The Gamble by Thomas E. Ricks
Accidental Guerilla by David Kilcullen
These are all about counterinsurgency.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Feb 21, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Guns, Germs and Steel is 10+ years old, but still a great read.
It’s basically an analysis of why different civilizations in different parts of the world advanced (or didn’t) the way they did. Very well-written, entertaining read by Jared Diamond. Some content specific to your destination is in there. You can impress or offend your hosts with your knowledge of why they are the way they are.
His follow-up book, I think called Collapse, evaluated why certain civilizations cratered. A comparison of the relative success of the Dominican Republic vs. Haiti is interesting, given recent events. And no, the success of the DR is not measured by the number of rangy middle infield prospects produced.
I never finished Guns, Germs and Steel.
It was odd, at first I loved it, but I just got bogged down and never picked it up again. I probably should finish it at some point.
Collapse sounds interesting as well.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Already read GG&S
collapse sounds interesting.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
"Stuff White People Like"
….36 hours each way? Good LORD!!!!!!!!!!
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
few solid recs
Yellow Blue Tibia by Adam Roberts – imagine if the crew from Confederacy of Dunces set their sequel in late ’80’s communist Russia – some funny-azz scenes
Daemon by Daniel Suarez – geeky sci-fi – not space ships, aliens and lazers – pageturnerburner
Ender’s Shadow by Orson Scott Card – Bean rulz
Infinity Beach by Jack McDevitt – good vacation read – crime mystery thriller aliens spaceships lazers, etc.
I thoroughly enjoyed...
…the Ender series. As a series, there are some that aren’t as entertaining, but overall I liked it quite a bit.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
I've read interviews with him...
…where talked about it, but never actually read it.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Pssshhh, yah, the crumby ones.
If it’s not more than Burkino Faso, it doesn’t count.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Burkina Faso
I wish it were still called Upper Volta- that was such a cool name…
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
Wow, I never even know it used to be called that.
That might be the most lumberjack name ever.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Dirk, I think you need to start working Upper Volta into your diatribes
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 21, 2010 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd examine their laws protecting the elderly form sex crimes
because it would have to fit in naturarly, ya know?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Did someone say Mars-Volta?
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
That voice is odd. Music's pretty good.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
made up country isn't it?
If not, I’m very disappointed I’ve never heard of it til this moment..
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
It's one of the countries Bart calls on Bart vs. Australia, quite possibly the Greatest. Epsidoe. Ever.
That’s not a knife… This is a knife!!!
That’s not a knife, that’s a spoon.
Oh, uh, I see youve played knifey-spooney before.
Mr. Simpson, shhh! Disparaging the boot is a bootable offense!
And so on…
Here, earn that ’stache by watching it w/ poorly overdubbed Russian!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 21, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Daniels on track for
Exec of the year! What a team of proven veterans with a great mix of talented young guys we will be able to throw out there every night. Now if we could just find a decent manager to to put with them we would be great.
USA Hockey might be this years "Feel Good" story...
They are going shot for shot, hit by hit with the Canadiens which is practically a fucking All Star Team.
2-1 USA mid 1st.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 7:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ugh
2-2 early 2nd
Fuck. You. Canada.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
3-2 with 3:14 to go in the 2nd.
Take that, Canuck bastards.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Wow..3 breakaways in 30 seconds.
Fucking god that was suspenseful.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No kidding!
I’m going to have to move the laptop if there’s going to be more of that.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Brodeur is standing on his head out there
Just had two great opportunities to get up by 2.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
He's played like shit this game.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
To allow three goals, obviously.
But he stepped it up right there on consecutive breakaways.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
To anyone that thinks Hockey is boring...
just watch the last two minutes of period 2 of this game. Holy shit!
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
This is what the NHL needs to turn its game into….more skill, less fighting, and fewer breaks in the action.
by Darrell McKown on Feb 21, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Until they adopt the Olympic size rink it will stay much like it is now
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No its widened (sp?)
Its at the NHL arena but the ice surface is wider for Olympic competition
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
New York Times disagrees.
You’re just pulling shit out of nowhere tonight.
“The men’s hockey tournament at the Vancouver Games will be the first Olympic competition played on a narrow rink of N.H.L. dimensions, but that hardly means it will devolve into the N.H.L.-style crash-and-bash fest many have predicted.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/sports/olympics/14slapshot.html
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Fuck the New York Times.
BIGSTEVE TRUSTS HIS EYES BITCH.
Yeah...
It’s NHL-sized.
Basically, it was done this way to save Vancouver some money.
I cannot even begin to fathom how mind-blowing that game would have been on a larger international surface. That said, goodness, what a game!
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
international surface
this game…how do we know how it was broadcasted in other countries…or do we? just curious…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
I apologize
As it states this is the first time its played on narrow ice. Before tonight it had always been on wide ice and that was one idea the NHL had floated around to increase scoring and flow of NHL games. I hadn’t heard it had been changed. Sorry
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You just seemed like a douche by assuming you were right when someone said it was NHL ice.
So you had no evidence that they were wrong, but still assumed they were.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Its the first fucking time its been on NHL ice
Before this Olympics its always been on wider ice surfaces and in the past has been a point not alot of people know about.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Do you realize how long it took me to google "NHL rink in Vancouver?"
About two fucking seconds.
So next time, don’t be a dick and assume you’re right when you have no evidence.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Do you know who you are posting to?
this is big “fucking” steve fish boy! He will eat your children…
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
No I don't like the taste of children
I prefer them a little older
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Im glad you did
Its not something I would have done. Had you not corrected me I would have gone on thinking it was wide ice. For that I thank you.
But im not gonna go google every little fact and detail. I knew the Olympic hockey to be played on wider ice. Until tonight I was right. Now I know its different.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No actually until about a week ago you were right
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
Hey look its my bad I admit
But its not like its always been on NHL size ice. This is the first Olympics its like that. Sorry for not knowing they made the change. I don’t follow it that close.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Def not goin shot for shot
Getting outplayed mostly, Miller stellar so far
by groundingout on Feb 21, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
No, not shot for shot...
…but hit for hit? Check. I can’t believe how much they’re going after each other considering the game doesn’t matter.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter for seeding?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If we win, we win the group and get a bye into the quarters, don't we?
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
I think so
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Score!!!! 4-2 USA
1 timer!
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What a shot!
I rewound just to listen to it…sounded awesome!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck you Crosby
You know you can’t do that shit.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Ryan Miller's helmet with the ass-kicking Uncle Sam is awesome.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
4-2 USA bitches!!!!!
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
God that was close for Canada.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Will the US sit on the lead?
So far, looking like no…but at some point?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
PP for Canada. This could be their chance.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Miller = Gutsy
Helluva game he’s playing.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Miller is the absolute shit right now.
Game of his life.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Goddamn me.
I jinxed the shit out of him. Fucking rookie mistake.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Damn you.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck Sidney Crosby.
Fucking grief this has been exciting.
Here we go again. Lol
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What a great game so far!
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
It seemed liked...
..as the game went on, Canada was getting more freedom in front of the net. Sheesh..
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 21, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhhh! Holy crap!
Clear it out. Jesus!!
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Good freaking Lord! Get it out of the zone!!
“Shooting gallery” is the only way to describe that!
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
My God what a game
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
BOOYA!!!!!!!!
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
Yes!!!!! Woooohooooo!
Score!!
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
USA USA USA!!!
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
nice
Josey Wales born on LSB July 18, 2006 Jumped the shark--That glorious day in 2008. RIP Josey Wales.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
USA USA USA USA!!!!!
YES YES YES YES!!!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
That's right, you Canadien Bitches!
Beat you at your own fucking game, in your fucking house!
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 8:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hockey is not my sport
But that was fun, eh?
by SaltyDawg on Feb 21, 2010 8:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Jesus...
that game was something else.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2010 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Someone put the Canadian population on suicide watch.
Especially Robin Scherbatzky.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aqua on Feb 21, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That final goal...
by Ryan Kesler was just so gritty. I’m going to start having to call that guy Ryan “Eckstein” Kesler.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2010 9:12 PM CST reply actions
Have you seen his face?
Oh god, what a face!
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Think about how good that felt
on his own rink, too.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 21, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Heh Ryan Miller is #1 trending topic on Twitter.
NBC is 4th, why? Because people are pissed and are wishing death in a fire for NBC for not showing the fucking game on N fucking BC. Lol
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 21, 2010 9:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yes, people are so pissed at NBC that they'll...continue watching the Olympics on NBC.
People are "pissed’ at NBC and Leno too but Leno’s ratings will probably start beating Letterman’s about a fortnight after he returns.
That's not going to happen...
But you’re right. It’s foolish to voice an opinion. Accepting lowest common denominator programming is the new “pissed.”
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 21, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
The video associated with this article ...
by shroomer on Feb 21, 2010 9:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
THAT was a great bleeping hockey game.
One of the few things I’ve tuned into per the Olympics.
Canada Fail is always funny in all forms.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Who doesn't like to watch the olympics?
by groundingout on Feb 21, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
I decided to give it a chance last night...
…popped some popcorn, sat down with the Mrs…put it on Ch 5 and effn ICE DANCING was on….
It’s like figure skating but they don’t do any jumps.
Probably the worst imaginable thing possible.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
I find the tv coverage
kind of annoying for the most part. There are approximately 57 minutes of commercials every hour, 2 minutes of talking and 1 minute of sport.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Yeah...
that’s my problem with it too. In 4 hours of coverage you have 2 1/2 hours of commercials and BSing form Costas and Collinsworth.
I actually just DVR’d the damn thing last night because I wanted to see what the cross-ski was like. Ended up watching a few other events like the bobsledding too. It worked out much better that way.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
The rarity of being an American underdog
makes it even more fun. I can’t hardly stand to watch b-ball dream teams after the first one.
It’s too bad Mikey Mo can’t be a part of it, but yeah, fantastic game.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I wish Mo, Hull, Guerin could still get it up
but the torch has been passed.
Canada has staggered thru this entire Olympic Thing but if they gack in hockey when the games are at their place…oh my.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 21, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
It's like Team Japan coming into the US and beating the 2001 Miami Hurricanes in Football.
Losing at your own goddamn sport is all kinds of embarrassing, especially in Canada (barf) where Hockey is like sex to those people.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 22, 2010 1:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
'but the torch has been passed'
True. Aging sucks. I love Hully, but I considered it kinda mercenary(like Olujawon in basketball).
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
AMAZING hockey draw now
US gets the top seed and only has to beat Schweiz/Belarus and Ceska/Suomi to go to the gold medal game.
Canada has to beat Germany, Russia and most likely Sweden to get there.
We’re probably realistically underdogs against either Czech or Finland, but to only have to play one of those big three to win a gold medal is amazing.
I tried finding a link that had the draw spelled out and all that
couldn’t find anything — you have a link?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome thanks
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
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