Ryan Franklin is angry he can't pack heat in the locker room
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM CST
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PrintSo, yeah, last week, there was an announcement by MLB that league policy was being updated to reflect that guns would not be allowed in locker rooms.
Which I found amusing, because one would think that there wouldn't need to be a policy about that. I mean, who brings guns into the locker room?
But as it turns out, not only does there apparently need to be a policy, some players are mad about it. Ryan Franklin, for example:
Closer Ryan Franklin is among the large number of avid outdoorsmen on the Cardinals roster and on Saturday expressed disappointment in Major League Baseball's recent directive prohibiting certain weapons, including all firearms, from the clubhouse.
* * *"There are a few guys that screwed it up for everybody," Franklin said. "If it wasn't for the NFL guy a couple years ago bringing a weapon into a nightclub ... you've just got to be smart."
Damn you, Plaxico Burress and Gilbert Arenas, for ruining it for guys like Ryan Franklin who can't bring their guns into the clubhouse anymore!!!
(Shakes fist)
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I don't understand the anger.
What possible reason is there for a hunter to have his gun in the locker room of a Major League clubhouse?
I thought his anger was going to be about how he needs to defend himself because the park can be dangerous or something. That I wouldn’t support, but at least I’d understand. But this I can’t even begin to understand.
Also, I refuse to believe Albert Pujols likes hunting with a bow and arrow.
I’m pretty sure he just runs out in to the woods and kills moose with his bare hands.
by philkid3 on Feb 22, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pujols the Hunter
i think he could just stare the moose to death. I may be going out on a limb, but I think Pujols could take Chuck Norris.
keep on rockin' in the free world !
I'm gonna miss mkassio.
I don’t remember anything he posted, actually, but still, it was sad when he was murdered by a roundhouse kick to the face.
Franklin's anger
Could be residual ’roid rage.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
I remember being told on a tour of the Ballpark in Arlington back in the day that Will Clark regularly brought bows and arrows to the clubhouse
He had an archery range set up somewhere in the bowels of the stadium and went to shoot to relieve stress.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Heh.
I always assumed that the team just brought him victims to sacrifice to appease his rage.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Along with the 6 longneck Buds on ice?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Isn't the clubhouse pretty much where these guys live during the season?
If that’s the case and they wanted to bring in unloaded hunting weapons to trade or talk about or whatever they do, I don’t think that’s such a bad deal. I have several colleague that will bring their hunting weapons to work to show off to their friends with similar interests. Believe it or not, most gun owners are responsible people and activities like those being discussed are not so out of the norm that they are worthy of ridicule. Now if they are pretending to shoot teammates or acting irresponsibly, that’s another issue entirely.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
That, plus the fact that the avid outdoorsman likes to go out to the country as often as possible
And leaves his gun in his vehicle so that he can do that and not have to drive to his house and grab a gun every time.
A ballplayer with a similar mindset would probably rather bring the gun into the clubhouse for safekeeping than leave it out in the parking lot and risk it getting stolen.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
I don't think it's such a bad deal, either.
I don’t understand how it could possibly be a problem to not have your gun in the locker room, though. Especially if it’s for hunting.
Whether or not Franklin’s responsible (I’ll bet he is) has nothing to do with it. It’s just that I can’t see any possible problem that comes from not being allowed to bring your gun to work.
I'm sure they'll learn to live with it.
I just think it is a nanny-state type of position for MLB to take. Some other people made bad choices, so we should all lose a little liberty—I think that kind of thinking is silly.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
The upside is you avoid someone doing something stupid like Arenas.
The downside is someone doesn’t get to have something they don’t need in their clubhouse. I don’t see that as any sort of downside
I don’t see it as silly at all. Having a problem with it is silly.
Yeah, it's silly until it affects something important to you.
Then it’s not as silly anymore. Our society is getting too damned reactionary to the few idiots we all have to put up with. You see that kind of thing every time the legislature is in session. Somebody did something dumb that got publicity so none of us can be trusted not to do dumb things. I think this kind of thing is a slippery slope. People like you have no problem with what MLB has done because being able to keep your hunting rifle in your locker isn’t important to you. What if the government outlawed cell phones at work because some dumbass used a cell phone while at work to phone in a bomb threat to Congress? I’ll bet you would be bothered by that. And such a law would be essentially the same thing that MLB has done here.
Let’s face it, if some ignorant ass is going to bring a gun into a locker room to hurt people, a prophylactic rule banning guns in the locker room isn’t going to stop him. This is simply a feel good rule that is being implemented for the sake of implementing a rule and showing that some issue that’s gained notoriety in the media is being addressed. I think that kind of reactionary thinking is silly.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
by Athos on Feb 22, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
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by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you in theory
But in practice, I think we need common sense laws, policies, and regulations in place, because people ain’t getting any smarter.
And, yeah, it’s not going to stop Carl Everett from going insane and bringing in a rifle to shoot god-holes into any player he hears discussing evolution or the existence of actual, living dinosaurs. But maybe it stops a gun from getting pulled in a random, bullshit argument that’s bound to develop where guns to remain ok in the clubhouse.
I also agree that it punishes the responsible gun owner more that the Gil Arenas’ of the world, but that’s what 90 % of regulations do, innit?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
But isn't the issue here
Why is anyone bringing a gun to work, unless they’re in law enforcement, security, or the military? Are you really so obsessed with your guns that you can’t leave them at home?
Don’t get me wrong- I strongly support the right to own firearms. I just don’t see why anyone feels the need to have their guns with them at work, unless they’re in a field that uses them on the job.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
by RCCook on Feb 22, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
There could be a several reasons
Namely, you like to have your gun in your vehicle when you’re driving for some reason (or because you’re going somewhere you need your gun) but you’d rather bring it in the office with you than leave it unattended in the parking lot. Isn’t a gun safely kept in a desk drawer or office safe better than a gun in the parking lot that could be stolen by anyone who breaks into the car.
Also, law enforcement, security, and military are not the only ones who might need guns at their office. I have been told by some divorce attorneys that they keep a gun in their desk because in their line of work, it’s not unheard of for an angry client or adverse party to show up threatening them with weapons or bodily harm.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Okay.
So we make things even a small bit safer and avoiding a public controversy like the NBA at the expense of players not having to do as much work in their recreation time. Not buying that as legitimate. At least not worth getting in a huff about.
And if a gun in the office is safer than a gun in the car, guess what my solution is!
As far as your second paragraph, as I said up there, that’s the one situation I could understand a player feeling they need a gun. Not that I agree with it, but I can understand it. But that’s different from an avid sportsman who wants his hunting rifle around. That one I cannot begin to understand causing anyone to be upset.
I'm female
I run my own business. I work alone at night after dark and leave with cash from the register. Conceal carry isn’t just for gun nuts.
I’ve been robbed by a man with a gun. I wish then I had had a weapon. Just because you don’t think I need a weapon in my store doesn’t mean I agree. Its not the nanny state’s right to prevent me from protecting myself.
A lockeroom is different but taking away rights of responsible people to protect against the stupid hurts the responsible not the stupid because they’ll still do stupid things.
Your situation
is a lot different than the clubhouse. No one here is advocating a statewide ban, a business (MLB) made a decision about its employees. No “nanny state” was involved here.
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It still comes down
to taking away options from responsible adults. Let me ask you about the laws that prohibit some neighborhoods from selling beer and wine. Why is it okay for the state to say this store can but this store can’t because fifty years ago there were “wet” counties and “dry” counties?
If an MLB player has a conceal carry license he should be able to carry his weapon into work. The clubhouse is where he spends the majority of his time for half of the year and if he feels safer then he should have the right to do so.
Prohibition, its not just your grandfather’s old stories anymore.
An employer has the right to set policy for their employees
Why are you talking as if some government action made this happen? This has NOTHING to do with prohibition. To use your analogy, you’re essentially arguing that because it’s legal to drink, we should all be able to drink at work.
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Crap. I just lost my long reply.
What do you want to bet there’s alcohol in the clubhouse sometime during the year? Beer, liquor that’s okay. What about Ron Washington’s Cools? He can smoke on the grounds but Franklin and others can’t carry? Why?
Think of the comparison like this, when Padilla gets his new Lamborghini do you think he’ll drive it onto the lot where all the guys can see and drool over it? Why is that when Franklin get’s his new Glock he can’t show it off to his buddies either? I’m not advocating he needs to bring a loaded weapon into the room and flash it all around. But if a guy is quietly carrying should he really be forced to leave his gun in the car, especially in Arizona where their cars may not be secure? There are a lot of people around. The player has his keys to his expensive car and is probably carrying a lot of cash, not to mention his credit cards and ID. Does he not deserve the same protections that the rest of us do by wanting to feel safer with his gun?
The national goverment has nothing to do with this specifically but didn’t this whole kerfuffle start because of DC’s stupid gun laws that basically prohibit gun ownership. That’s why the Wizards were forced to step in and this became a national story, right?
You're just way overthinking this.
This is simply MLB limiting its liability issues. Again, this has nothing to do with any government, it has nothing to do with alcohol and cigarettes, it has nothing to do with some kind of nanny state.
The government, by the way, is merely a reflection of its people. The culture is litigious and there are a lot of stupid people out there. That means businesses have a clear interest in limiting their insurance liability for things well under their control. MLB would be pretty stupid not to do this.
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Uhh, for the same reason they have them at home? Did the Crime Fairy abolish violence except in cases of home invasion?
Obviously, this isn’t some egregious violation of the players rights. That’s a real no shitter, philikid. Any workplace deserves the perogative to make rules like this, and I support that, although I disagree with prohibiting firearms in a locked car. I would be in favor of a law barring companies from prohibiting such. But what I think a few of you who keep chirp chirp chirping away are missing is the broader point Athos made, which is an excellent one:
Our society is getting too damned reactionary to the few idiots we all have to put up with. You see that kind of thing every time the legislature is in session. Somebody did something dumb that got publicity so none of us can be trusted not to do dumb things.
Amen. This annoying tendency to overcorrect some mostly non-problem is profusely irritating. Alcohol, safety, speech, sex, there are a myriad of issues of which the kneejerk, lemming response is fucking always always always more regulation, more prohibition. Ugh. I can never again pass through airport security with 3 ounces of wine for my 8 hr, 1 layover, cross country flight… But it keeps us safe precious safe it does!
This is simply a feel good rule that is being implemented for the sake of implementing a rule and showing that some issue that’s gained notoriety in the media is being addressed.
As are most gun restrictions, like 10 round mag limits, and pistol grips on long arms, and 5 day waiting periods, and calling a semi-auto rifle an assault weapon, and DUI roadblocks, and almost all TSA requirements.
But lets all roll over cuz them rules makes us safer, right?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with all of this.
There are more responsible folks than there are idiots. But I don’t understand how saying “sorry, you can’t show your gun off at work” is some nasty trade off that doesn’t make sense to keep the idiots in check.
Baloop, baloop, baloop
/Rush
MLB is a private business, they write the checks, they make the rules. That hardly correlates with government action.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Feb 22, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
It feels good to say stuff like that, but I just see absolutely no reason a sports league should feel compelled to allow guns in the locker room. There is absolutely no downside to a rule like this.
And I just don’t buy your slippery slope argument, either. I mean, really the government is going to ban cell phones? It is most certainly NOT “essentially the same thing MLB has done here.”
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by t ball on Feb 22, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Using slippery slope
is a slippery slope.
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Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm certainly not advocating
government bans on guns at work. But this is a business making a policy so I found Athos’ post quite a stretch and alarmist to boot.
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The thing is, some things are understandably important to people.
Bringing your hunting rifle to work is not one of them to me. And no one has yet given me a good reason for it.
I have a sneaking suspicion...
that Gilbert Arenas isn’t much of a hunter
by We're_Texas on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I had a boss that kept a handgun in his desk
He was big into hunting but that had nothing to do with it. He just wanted to have a pistol around. I never gave much thought to it.
I know there are people that can’t understand why anyone would want to have a gun in the clubhouse but on the other hand, if it’s legal it’s legal.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
the world is an unsafe place
and people who know how to use guns like the security. That does not include me but I have plenty of friends who feel like that and I’m not entirely positive I disagree with them.
if you know how to use one and respect the safety rules
there’s no reason why you shouldn’t carry
I’m on my way.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 22, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Just because something's a policy doesn't mean you have to like it
I can’t think of a single incident involving a baseball player and a firearm (with the exception of Donnie Moore and others that shot themselves).
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Holy crap
I found a list of suicides by baseball players (had to double check Donnie Moore and found it). I’m not going to link it but you can find if you want. Crazy.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Like it? No.
Care to any great degree, someone has to give me a reason to understand. I don’t understand who is hurt and why and no one has yet told me.
Why does someone need to be "hurt" by it?
What if your boss was balding and told you to shave your head so he wouldn’t feel self-conscious? Just because it doesn’t “hurt” you doesn’t mean the request shouldn’t make sense. How does banning guns from the clubhouse make sense? There’s never been an issue in MLB regarding it. They’re just trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
this makes no sense
Should they wait for an incident and then adopt the policy? For example, if the guy in the adjacent cubicle is cleaning his gun and it discharges, injuring or killing his coworker, guess who’s getting sued?
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of things are dangerous
People attack each other with knifes and baseball bats. Should they ban baseball bats from baseball clubhouses?
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
Baseball bats have a reason to be there.
Guns don’t. You don’t ban everything that’s dangerous, you ban things that are dangerous and have nothing to do with the job.
So alcohol should be verboten, too, no?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
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Employers have a legal obligation to create a safe working environment, they can be held accountable for incidents in the workplace, so it stands to reason that employers have a right to establish policies that protect their employees and the company itself. No, I would not advocate banning baseball bats from clubhouses.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
And baseball will be responsible if something goes wrong and someone takes a bat to someone else's head.
But, again, if they ban bats, they make an impact on their business. If they ban guns or machettes or cast iron skillets, they don’t.
It doesn't
Nor does a pocketknife or an ipod. They’re all legal.
Contrast this to alcohol. I believe some (or all) clubhouses banned alcohol in part response to LaRussa getting busted driving home from the park. There was an issue and baseball responded. Here there is no issue.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
But shaving my head does extend to my life outside of work.
You see how that’s not a good comparison, right?
Hypothetical
Say Ryan Franklin accidentally (or on purpose) shots and kills Red Schoendienst in the Cardinals clubhouse. Should MLB then adopt a no firearms policy or just the Cardinals adopt the policy and every other team wait for an incident to happen in their clubhouse?
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a better situation to compare.
Let’s say at work I have a favorite toy. Like a remote controlled R2-D2. I love bringing this toy to work to show off to my friends.
One day, at a rival company, there’s a lot of complaints about someone with a toy annoying everyone and hurting productivity. So, in response, my company bans all toys from work. Sure, I probably wasn’t going to be a problem, but what good reason is their for me to have a toy at work, anyway? None, so why should I be really upset? I’ll play with it when I go home.
I feel like some people might be taking the general anti-gun/pro-rights argument from society (where I’m sure I’m on the side of most people here) and applying it to this case.
My argument has little to do with gun rights.
I would take the same position if they banned cell phones or ipods. You don’t really need them to play baseball, but they are definitely a big part of the lives of people who own or use them. I just think this type of thing is overkill on MLB’s part. There is a growing mindset that people need to be treated like children in today’s society that I find disturbing. These guys are adults and they should be treated as adults.
Like I said, if somebody means to use a firearm for ill purposes in a baseball clubhouse, a rule isn’t going to stop them.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
But it's still arbitrary
That’s my issue. Is there a mildly decent reason to have a gun in a locker room? Maybe. When I leave for hunting/camping from work I have a gun in the vehicle and I’d just as soon have it in my office. Is there a good reason to have a gun at work? Maybe not. Is there a good reason to ban guns from baseball locker rooms? Maybe not.
I’m not saying baseball can’t do this. But I also don’t think you can say that people have no reason to complain about it because it’s just an arbitrary rule.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I don't see how it's arbitrary at all.
Another league is under fire because of something that doesn’t need to exist. To avoid that problem MLB is going to keep that situation from happening and little inconvenience to anyone.
It's the definition of arbitrary
Because Gilbert Arenas isn’t a responsible gun owner all baseball players are irresponsible?
I agree there isn’t a great reason why a baseball player should have a gun in his locker but that’s not the point. There’s been no issue regarding guns in the locker rooms.
Baseball players have driven drunk. Do you prohibit them from driving to and from the clubhouse? At least there’s some problem there that can be resolved. Banning guns doesn’t solve any problem.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I think you are most likely selling roses at a fish market
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Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
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Baseball players have driven drunk. Do you prohibit them from driving to and from the clubhouse?
Bad analogy. I understand you’re opinion, but not you’re criticism of MLB. I imagine almost every corporation in the US has a policy against bringing firearms into the workplace. I think that the overwhelming majority of nonself-employed workers in this country already are prohibited from bringing firearms to work by their employers policies. MLB is simply doing what nearly every other major employer has already done.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think you are missing his point, Randy
I think that the overwhelming majority of nonself-employed workers in this country already are prohibited from bringing firearms to work by their employers policies. MLB is simply doing what nearly every other major employer has already done.
He’s not criticizng MLB. He’s arguing against the whole workplace bar in general. Saying the majority of companies already do this is not something he is debating against, I think.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
well,
in previous posts he was critical of MLB, in particular. My point, in general, is that we give up many of our indivdual liberties when we enter the places we have chosen to work. I guess I just don’t understand the excitement over this new policy, considering it’s a policy that is extremely common. Also, I’m all for the each employers right to decide the policy as they wish. In effect, we all have the right to choose an employer who will allow us to bring our firearms to work.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think anybody that took the opposing position
considered it a “big deal.” We all acknowledge that you give up many freedoms when in the workplace.
And I agree with every thing else you said…
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
This...
My point, in general, is that we give up many of our individual liberties when we enter the places we have chosen to work.
Is pretty much how I feel about it as well. Why should athletics be any different?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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many employers have policies against bringing firearms into the workplace. If anything, MLB is behind the curve on this issue.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
"Players occasionally have brought unloaded long guns into the clubhouse."
I don’t know….maybe this contributed to Khalil Greene’s anxiety issues.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Feb 22, 2010 11:10 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Speaking of bad decisions...
Facebook is telling me it’s miles birthday tomorrow.
by cmkelly29 on Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think it's time we both unfriended him
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Feb 22, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, I noticed that too.
I’m unsure of what to do with that.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I really feel sorry
for the guys in Oakland. If I was playing for the A’s there’s no way I’d go to the ballpark without my Glock.
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.
eh
just go back to using chairs as a weapon
by icouldusesomebaseball on Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shoot,
you think a chair is going to stop Epic Beard Man?
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
by rangerdanger on Feb 22, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
All you really need...
to survive the tough Oakland terrain is a machete and a prayer.
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 22, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Oh great...
now how do they keep the snow monkeys in check?
Seems like the umps are shittier than usual everywhere this year. - thedirkatron
Should probably send Mike Bacsic in after them
But they’ll probably just use some unknown, prospective animal control officer
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Concealed Carry
The outrage is about concealed carry, it’s not about hunting guns and bringing them to work.
I, personally, don’t get concealed carry and why people feel compelled to do so. I think it’s silly. However, I respect their right to do so. While this doesn’t infringe upon their constitutuional rights it does make it difficult to exercise their rights while heading to work (I assume they cannot bring weaposn on company property, not just the clubhouse).
Enough with the hunting guns silliness. this isn’t about that.
I bring my gun everywhere I go..
and I’m pretty damn good with it, so don’t fuck with me bitches!
I did not ask you if you have herpes. I said is that a hairpiece?!?
I must see this movie, just for the cheesiness
What is it?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
hmmm i dunno i found this sorting through gifs a while back...
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
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