Where Do Major Leaguers Come From (College Edition)?
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 8:14 PM CST
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PrintBeyond the Box Score has an interesting post that examines what colleges have produced the most major leaguers (beginning with those players born in 1965 or later).
I was surprised to see Stanford University as the runaway leader, with 37 -- UCLA was a very distant second, with 23 major leaguers.
Among Big 12 schools, Texas was tied for 7th, at 19, OSU was 10th, with 18, and Oklahoma was tied for 11th with 17.
Probably the most surprising result, to me, was Rice University tied with a bunch of other schools at #18 on the list, with 14 major leaguers. Given its reputation as a top flight baseball school, you would figure they'd have more guys.
On the other hand, when you take a closer look, it seems like there might not be another school with a worse bust rate than Rice among its players. Lance Berkman is great, but Jose Cruz, Jr., is probably the second best position player they've produced, and he was considered a disappointment. After those two, the next best position player is probably either Mark Quinn or the immortal Bubba Crosby.
Similarly, on the pitching side, the Owls had the highly touted trio of Wade Townsend, Philip Humber, and Jeff Niemann a few years ago, but they've been massive disappointments, with only Niemann looking like he may have even a decent career.
Clearly, Vince Sinisi never had a chance...not only was he a highly-touted Rice prospect, but he was also a second-round pick of the Rangers, something that carries a curse of its own.
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i could of sworn it was every place that people spoke spanish
by captain freakin' magic on Feb 22, 2010 8:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
¿Qué?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
It is my mission in life
to eradicate “could of” from the world. You mean could have = could’ve contracted.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
I remember being embarrassed for humanity when I was looking through stuff in Microsoft Word and saw that on the auto-correct list
Up until then I never even knew people made that mistake. Of course this was before joining LSB (or spending time as a copy editor for the college newspaper).
Nice picture.
No caption unless you roll over it and it’s not in the way of anything.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." -- Vince Lombardi
Used to have bar discussions
about which school produced the single best football, basketball, and baseball player. Of course baseball was always the most difficult.
With the emergence of Kevin Durant, it looks like UT might be the winner. Campbell-football, Clemens-baseball.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Auburn
Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley, Frank Thomas
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
They were always a big player in the debate.
Mich St. fell a little short on baseball- Garvey, some took Gibson. Football-Bubba Smith, Basketball- Magic
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I have a winner
Kansas.
Gale Sayers, Wilt Chamberlain, Travis Metcalf
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
or Rod Brindamour
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
who?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Sp(?)
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/brindro01.html
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
LSU
Stromile Swift, Anthony McFarland, and Todd Walker…wait :(
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 22, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Shaq, Billy Cannon, Albert Belle
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Pistol Pete Maravich...
Alan Faneca, and….Brad Hawpe?
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 22, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
You go to LSU?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Craig Ehlo is from Lubbock
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
oooo...this game is fun!
USC:
football- OJ Simpson
basketball-cheryl miller….lol
baseball-mark McGuire
by death of the cool on Feb 22, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Going to get sanctioned!, well USC at least ha
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
I'd go Paul Westphal and Tom Seaver/Randy Johnson
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Alabama
Football: Joe Namath
Basketball: Robert Horry
Alabama: Tommy Hunter
by Sonic_Screwdriver on Feb 23, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
How about UCLA?
They even have backup options:
Basketball: Kareem, Bill Walton
Football: Troy Aikman, Jonathan Ogden
Baseball: Jackie Robinson, Chase Utley
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
We were always surprised that football would be their weakest link.
Notre Dame is impressive with basketball being the weakest.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Ogden ain't a bad weak link.
He’s probably the second best offensive lineman of all time, behind Anthony Munoz.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
OL is so hard to judge.
He could be. General consensus has Jim Parker and John Hannah most of the time. But I ain’t no expert on line play.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Hmm...
Hannah…good point. Still, that would be my pick.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno if I would even call Ogden the second best of his generation.
I’ll definitely take Walter Jones over him. I’ll probably take him over Larry Allen, but it’s close.
Back when I use to chart offensive linemen I thought Walter Jones was the closest to perfect at his role of any athlete I’ve ever seen. If you could create a WAR for NFL players, I’ll bet he would have dominated for years.
And I don’t mean this as any insult to Ogden.
Not that this is the best measure:
Walter Jones: 7 All-Pro, 9 All-star
Jonathan Ogden: 9 All-pro, 11 All-star
Both named to the team of the decade. Tough call, I’d take Ogden. I think Peter King would side with me, but John Madden would side with you.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm biased, he was my 4th grade teacher's brother:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Parker_%28American_football%29
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Parker, unfortunately, has Peter King in his corner.
I think I’d still pick him for my all-time team, though. Probably first string.
If Peter King thinks it, it's probably wrong, though.
Anyway, I know this doesn’t come with proof, but if it means anything, that comes with about 5 years worth of watching every play of every game to look at what linemen do to create yards for running backs. Pocket protection was a bit more difficult, but I didn’t think that was particularly close between them, either.
Obviously I can’t put anything down to convince you. I was close. My friend charts defensive backs for Fanball and almost started a publications with K.C. Joyner. Anyway, at the time, I was in line to devise statistics for and chart offensive linemen. Never happened, but I tried on my own for a while and went back a few years.
Anyway, long story short, I don’t blame you for thinking Ogden and I can’t prove you wrong, obviously, but I didn’t think they were even close. I think Jones was kind of Ruthian at his peak compared to everyone else. He (like Cortez Kennedy) didn’t get nearly enough coverage because of playing in a market no one seems to notice.
Interesting. I've always found it difficult to judge linemen.
How far back did you go? I like to argue Dwight Stephenson as best center, but I dunno that I have any solid evidence.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Um, I started in 2006 and went back one or two years.
In 2007 I started in more earnest and then in 2008 it looked like I might be able to make a career out of it and went hardcore. So I think from 2005-2009. Through that period, I was watching every play of every game every week (which was awesome, btw). Before that, though, I was watching a lot of football already and following the works of other game charters. That was neither of their primes, btw, so even if I did have some sort of evidence I could present it still wouldn’t be definitive. Ghetto has no reason not to stick with Ogden, I just disagree strongly. Unlike baseball, though, I can’t support my opinion, so oh well.
I was really excited. It seemed I was finally going to have an actual career, and it was going to be studying, watching and writing about football with one of the greater analytical minds out there. I had visions of being a part of the Baseball Prospectus of the NFL (with apologies to Football Outsiders). When it didn’t happen, I kind of got burned out and went back to just rooting for the Cowboys and vaguely following the rest of the league.
Linemen are difficult to judge. Even more so if you can’t actually watch the games. Even if you do chart them it’s impossible to be absolutely certain what’s the lineman’s actual skill, what’s a crappy/awesome opponent and what’s simply good/awful play design.
lets see
football- Joe Montana
baseball- Carl Yastermski
basketball-Adrian Dantley
by death of the cool on Feb 22, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. Pretty damn impressive.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Michigan...
Basketball: Chris Webber, Glen Rice
Football: Tom Brady
Baseball: Derek Jeter
Hockey: Marty Turco
by ghostofErikThompson on Feb 22, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Larkin or Gehringer.
Basketball isn’t strong enough.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Got it!
Baylor!
Football: Mike Singletary
Basketball: Brian Skinner
Baseball: David Murphy/Jason Jennings
…admit it, you were scared after Singletary. Too bad we’re not adding track…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
The Microwave in b-ball
Dude could light it up
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You got a HOFer in baseball- Ted Lyons
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Thanks...
…didn’t realize that.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmmm...Arizona State???
Baseball: Barry Bonds
Football: Randall McDaniel (HOF-OL), Darren Woodson
Basketball: Byron Scott
They should at least be in the discussion…
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...just to add...
Football: Jake Plummer, Pat Tillman, Randal McDaniel
Basketball: Fat Lever
Baseball: Reggie Jackson (and a ton of other greats like Oddibe McDowell and Bump Wills!)
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
In fact if you did duos
I bet ASU would be hard to beat:
Football: McDaniel/Woodson
Baseball: Bonds/Jackson
Basketball: Scott/Lever
I guess basketball isn’t that great, but the others are so good (especially the baseball duo) that it’d be tough to beat.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
UNT
football: Mean Joe Green
basketball: Joe Hamilton
baseball: Dave Barnett
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
My Pops had a couple classes w/ Mean Joe
They were middling pals.
Said he literally used to shred holes in between the thighs of his jeans from walkin because his were so big and wide.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
I bet he could share some stories on him
Kinda neat, just to be hangin’ in class with a legend. Course he didn’t know that at the time…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
No, but he said Mean was THE BMOC
Everybody else was just scrambling for second.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
As one would expect
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I've told you many times how hurtful these coments are...
Bully.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot...
Ronnie Morgan, Tony Worrell, and Jesse Ratliff for basketball.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
it's got to be North Carolina
Michael Jordan
Lawrence Taylor
B.J. Surhoff
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
and before you laugh
Surhoff was very good against Clemens
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Dustin Ackley could someday make that very good.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
this was going to be my suggestion as well
but I was going to include Moonlight Graham instead of BJ Surhoff.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
TCU
Sammy Baugh (or Bob Lilly or LT)
Matt Purke
Kurt Thomas
yikes
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
It's Twenty-Ten, time to start picking up sarcasm.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 22, 2010 9:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ha ha
You just talked down to a guy with an IQ at least 25 points higher than you, and more likely 40.
You rock.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
You would know that how...?
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 22, 2010 10:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Davey Obrien says hi
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 22, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Almost perfect: Cretin-Derham Hall High School:
Baseball: Joe Mauer, Paul Molitor
Football: Matt Birk, Steve Walsh
Basketball: ???
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Nebraska
Grover Cleveland Alexander, Bob Gibson, Gale Sayers, Charles Starkweather. No BB that I know of. Stick Malcom X or Andy Roddick in there instead.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I remember a few years ago SI did a ranking of every D1 school in athletics.
Not only by performance but academics and other such stuff.
Anyway, UT was #1, followed closely by Stanford. This was a few years ago, though, back when Stanford was competitive in football, a recent 1 seed in basketball and I think women’s champ, while Florida hadn’t yet begun their assault on everything.
Stanford's baseball program has also declined recently.
Though their Rice series was impressive.
by Andy Seiler on Feb 22, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Oklahomo
Football- Brian Bosworth
Basketball-Wayman Tisdale/Blake Griffin
Baseball- Bobby Witt ( i can’t think of any)
by death of the cool on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
University of San Francisco
Basketball — Bill Russell
Football — Gino Marchetti
Baseball — too bad Joe DiMaggio didn’t play some college ball
Always seems to fall one sport short of the lock down answer. If Durant reaches his ceiling, UT has a good case.
To add to the UT list
Baseball- Clemens (never graduated though), Keith Mooreland, Huston Street, Kirk Dressendorfer (granted injuries plagued him, but still could have been legit), Adam Dunn, Ron Gardenhire, J.P Howell, Teagarden,
Football- I don’t think there is enough time, but short list: Earl Campbell, Vince (some will disagree, but over all successful), Vasher, Jammer, Derrick Johnson, Aaron Ross, Michael Huff, Ricky Williams (last year showed, what he could have done), Priest Holmes, and I’m too lazy to continue
Basketball- Durant, T.J. Ford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Daniel Gibson, D.J. Augustine, Royal Ivey
Swimming- Ian Crocker(he made the Olympics and won medals, need we say more)
Golf- Justin Leonard, Tom Kite, last but not least Ben Crenshaw
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
They actually have the golf grand slam
British- Leonard
Masters- Crenshaw
US Open- Kite
PGA- Mark Brooks
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I forgot Brooks, I didn't see him on the list I was using.
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
I think Stanford has it also. Just saying.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
And Ohio St.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Nicely done.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Yeah but most of the guys you add to the list...
…are marginal. This game was meant to look for the best players of all time. Huston Street and Derrick Johnson don’t add anything to the argument of Clemens and Earl Campbell.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
You did a better job of stating this than the snarky POS I was writing
I think if you use HOF (or that caliber accounting for biases) as the standard, UT is looking to get in the game after Durant is done. Right now, it’s UCLA, ASU, or Auburn (but that is already imagining what Bo could have been) for me, but each school has an uninspiring sport — I like Aikman, Thomas, and Scott/Lever, but none of them close the case.
On a side note: who is the best baseball player that played some college ball? I was surprised to see that Gehrig played for Columbia.
ND has 3 HOFers.
Kenny Lofton was more legit as a basketball player than Gehrig, but if you’re just asking who played- Hell, hard to beat Gehrig.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I was agreeing in a weird way w/ Gehrig.
Just wasn’t sure how legit of a player he was, i.e. did he contribute much?
Lofton was really good at basketball and baseball.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
I see
You were responding about baseball players that had played basketball (or other sports) in college. As I understand it, Gehrig played some football and was thought to be a standout player, but not on par with a key member of a final four squad.
The question I meant to ask was simpler: Best baseball player with some college baseball experience. I’m asking because I’m curious about the dimensions of the question.
Heh, I somehow read basketball.
Per the original question- Bonds, without question.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
Yes, but I was looking at guys who have had mild to moderate success.
Street did win ROY in 2006 and I think he will have a great career, DJ has had some solid stats, granted he has been with KC, so that takes away.
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
What's impressive is it all looks soft and fluffy
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Winner.
I was trying to place exactly what he looked like, at you just answered it. Thanks for allowing me to sleep tonight.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
He's his own best friend
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
by Keynes on Feb 22, 2010 9:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
He reminds me of Butters...
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Or your avatar there, studly
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
My dog is a hell of a lot better looking than Werth.
And a lot cooler then your old 23 lbs cat, champ
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Very underrated line.
Bravo
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
Reasons some people wanted him in a trade, the flowing locks of hair hahaha
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
If he loses his hair
he loses all his power.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
So he can shave, he just has to keep the hair in a plastic bag and know where it is at all times?
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Samson>>>>>>>>Werth
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Bah
Samson’s league excluded Canaanites, lowering the level of competition.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
But Samson was beastly with a jawbone.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Rice
Yeah, our pitchers have been disappointments in the majors (though don’t forget David Aardsma). Probably because they aren’t usually high ceiling talent, just guys whose potential gets maximized at Rice. Arguably Wayne Graham is as good as anyone at taking some undrafted arm out of a community college and turning them into a first round pick. But until this recent crop of players (Rick Hague and Anthony Rendon now), most of the best Rice players weren’t huge recruiting and draft targts out of high school. Whereas schools like Stanford, Miami, Texas, etc. tend to be stocked with guys who teams would have drafted high if they’d have been willing to sign.
I think this will change soon enough, since Rice’s success has begun to allow them to compete on the recruiting circuit as well. So they’ll start getting players that aren’t just the super polished type that exceeds expectations at college, but also the strong tools guys who can take it to the next level.
Go Rice Owls!
And I don't really call Sinisi a bust
the guy almost had to have amputations his fluke injuries got such bad staph infection. He’s a sad story, but I still maintain that was a good draft pick.
Go Rice Owls!
I feel for ya'
This entire post is kind of a kick in the nuts to you.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
It really is
And while I would like to chalk it up to Rice possibly rejecting Adam 20 years ago or something, as I hate to admit it, he’s really kind of right.
Go Rice Owls!
Their class outside of Taillon coming next year is fairly weak.
No one that’s projected to go in the top four or five rounds.
by Andy Seiler on Feb 22, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
OT
I’m liking the Mavs a lot better with Haywood.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 22, 2010 9:37 PM CST reply actions
They're gonna need a backup soon though.
Blacked out tonight, but watched them against Orlando and they were pretty pathetic without Haywood in there. But I agree, Haywood has been impressive, and considering Damp’s injury, the more important trade piece acquired (at least in the near future).
Interestingly, he’s 30. I didn’t know this…I assumed he was younger, especially with the talk that the Mavs are almost certainly going to extend/resign him this offseason. Assuming he ages well, he should still have 3 decent years in him, but I’m afraid they’ll have to extend him for longer than that.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
According to Mark Cuban...
…the fact that he’s 30 is a good thing, because that’s when centers come into their own.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhhh.. more Cuban love from AJM. : )
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
I agree that Centers peak later...
..and may have more longevity than other positions, but we’re still talking about signing a guy who at best is in the plateau phase of his career and will most likely spend half of that time in the decline phase.
I’m not against it, I just hope the extension isn’t for more than 4 years. I doubt that will actually happen though..
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
So...
What are your thoughts on the trade?
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
He doesn't like it since we didn't get any 1st round picks back I bet
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
he doesn't like it because he is adverse to 10 straight years of 50 win seasons
and making the playoffs. playoffs are boring.
Its fine
Cubes appears to have given up on winning championships, and instead is just trying to get to the second round, and that helps advance that goal.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 22, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
lol
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
winning championships, two words Dwayne Wade
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
yep
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 23, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
Guess who was told to take as much time as he needed before suiting up
With the Clip Shop?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
It looked pretty bad, had to get carried off by teammates
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
I wonder
If someone stuck pins in his shrunken head?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
That is fucking disturbing.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
Might be interesting to see the stats if they changed the start year
I wonder if Rice’s rank in terms of # of major leaguers would be better if they shifted the start date to 2000 instead of 1965. They did not really come on the baseball scene until Jose Cruz Jr and Lance Berkman attended.
I was shocked by WSU actually being high enough to qualify for the list.
The only Cougar I can think of is John Olerud.
Hehe
I know a few Cougars…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
UT-Arlington
Football: Tim McKyer, Cliff Odom
Baseball: Hunter Pence, John Lackey, Mark Lowe, Trey Hillman, Ryan Roberts
Basketball: Ummm…our wheelchair team has won 7 national titles!
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
Lackey, thank goodness we only have to face him at most 3 times in the regular season.
Can’t stand his douchery
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
UTA
has another good player up for the draft this year, right?
by Brett Perryman on Feb 23, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Does lackey really count for UTA?
Didn’t he only play one year there?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 24, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Stanford...coming back
Swept Rice this past weekend.
OK State University
Surprised to see OK State make the top 20 but I never have paid a whole lot of attention to their baseball program.
They have Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas for football though.
In baseball they have Nolan Ryan’s best friend Robin Ventura.
Basketball: John Starks
Fresno State
Baseball: Tanner Scheppers! Or maybe Tom Goodwin or Jeff Weaver
Football: Bernard Berrian, or maybe David Carr or Trent Dilfer
Basketball: Rafer Alston or Ron Anderson
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