Thursday a.m. Rangers things
Ahhhh!!! Josh Hamilton is hurt!!!! Panic in the streets!!!
Well, not really...but he did ding his shoulder yesterday. It is minor, he should be fine today or tomorrow, but it is a reminder of the inherent fragility of Hamilton, and that he's probably on the J.D. Drew plan in terms of expected games play.
Ron Washington says that he's planning on playing Vladimir Guerrero some in right field, because "We want to keep him happy." I'm starting to think that there are times when Ron Washington just says stuff, and you shouldn't really pay attention to it. I'm thinking this is one of those times.
Jeff Wilson talks about Vlad's presence in the Ranger camp, saying that he's a notable presence.
Evan Grant has some video of Omar Beltre, Tanner Scheppers and Kasey Kiker.
Richard Durrett takes a look at the Rangers' expected #4 starter, Tommy Hunter.
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As if we needed a reminder
of the inherent fragility of Hamilton.
40 Days…
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Revo has a column up about all the "IFs" in the rotation
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/columns/story?columnist=reeves_jim&id=4940897
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
i take a couple issues with this article
one, didn’t i read that Tommy Hunter was coming into camp considerably slimmed down? I know Harrison is, but I thought I read that Tommy had lost significant weight as well.
two, Revo just kind of glosses over the fact that the Angels lost their best pitcher in Lackey. (He also only offers last year’s win totals, no other stats, but what can we expect there?)
otherwise, I generally agree with his point and his tone. There are many ‘ifs’, but how is that any different than any other team?
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
Yeah
I think the “If Tommy Hunter doesn’t eat his way out of baseball” line was just lazy writing.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 25, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Let me fix that for you
“Most of Jim Reeves’ columns are just lazy writing”
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
If that's been said...
I missed it. Tommy is looking large (again). Someone tried to tell me he wasn’t fat.. Dude’s fat.
He certainlt doesn't look like he's lost significant weight, imo.
But his uniform’s all baggy.
You can never tell how fat someone one is when they bust a sag.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'd have no problems
with Vlad spelling Hamilton in the OF. They should definitely split the DH spot to try to keep them both healthy.
The sooner Hamilton claims the DH spot fulltime after this season, the better.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Is Vlad a better RF than Murphy?
Overall, combining offense and defense?
I think if you’ve got a RHP on the mound, you’d probably be better off with Murphy in RF than Vlad.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 25, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
you really think
they are gonna sit vlad or hamilton barring injury?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I think our disagreement comes
from our base assumption.
You think it’s plausible that RWash is gonna put sane lineups out there.
I’m starting with the assumption that RWash is gonna play Vlad/Ham every day unless injured, so its more a matter of what position they play. Even though they may well likely be better off with Murphy against righties, I don’t think that’s the move wash will make.
Most of Murphy’s time will probably come at the expense of Cruz. I don’t think that’s the right call, but I think it’s the call that will be made.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Heh
You think it’s plausible that RWash is gonna put sane lineups out there.
Really, does anyone at this point? Isn’t this the same guy who hits Murphy in reverse split platoons? Who let Arias lead off? Who DH’d Laird, for chrissakes?
If Ron Washington looked and sounded
like Grady Little, posters wouldn’t be shy about calling him a dumbass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Please explain
why does him looking like Grady Little make a difference. Ron sometimes makes stupid baseball decisions.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Just seems like the dumbass bar of acceptance is
lowered greatly around all things Ron Washington.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
So why add in
that if he looked and sounded like Grady Little? I’m still confused by why that matters.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
You seem to be confused a lot.
Think a little deeper.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Well
are you implying that he gets a pass because of his skin color? If so, come out and say that. Don’t be a closet racist.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know why he gets a pass.
I also think there are a number of blacks who play the Great Game who are/were very intelligent, if that’s where you’re going.
Joe Morgan & Milton Bradley are two of the most intelligent players I’ve ever seen. Reggie Jax was pretty sharp as well – a great mix of intelligence, presence and bravado. Barry Bonds may have been smarter than all of them.
I also think Brandon Boggs is one of the smarter minor league baseball players I’ve ever seen the Rangers bring up and I feel sorry because he plays for a manager who is an idiot.
So is that racist?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
No
none of that is. But your original statement of “if Ron Washington looked and sounded like Grady Little posters wouldn’t be shy about calling him a dumbass” had all the signs of the same racist redneck crap you were spouting off yesterady in reference to The Beatles and banging your own sister. Don’t try and crawfish out now. Be a man and own up to your statement.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know where you're going with the racist stuff
but I know Boston Red Sox fans ripped Grady Little for everything and felt no need whatsoever to step on eggshells or say something like …
“I’m starting to think that there are times when Ron Washington just says stuff, and you shouldn’t really pay attention to it. I’m thinking this is one of those times.”
I’m not bagging on Adam at all. At least he’s critical of Washington.
Most of the media is afraid to criticize Washington and will go out of their way to praise.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
My gosh
look how fast those little legs run backwards…You know what you meant by that statement.
Poor comparison and you know it. You have said yourself that the Boston media is much more ruthless than the media in DFW, which is true. If it doesn’t involve the Cowboys, no one in this market goes out of their way to rip anybody. Just another hypocritical statement from the village idiot.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
How the hell are my
legs running backwards?
I’m dug in on this issue.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
You made
a racist statement. You are crawfishing like hell now by trying to list all the “smart” black players you remember and comparing media between Boston and DFW. You are in full retreat mode.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
What's the "racist statement" ?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
If Ron Washington looked and sounded like Grady Little a white guy, posters wouldn’t be shy about calling him a dumbass
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I said "Grady Little" because
Red Sox were unmerciful in their critiicisms of everything about him and that was before Game 7.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Should say
“Red Sox fans”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
i dont see the racist statement either
"He do what he do" - Ron Washington
by dustinvandeman on Feb 25, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get the point though
If his point was “if the Manager was Grady Little he’d be getting destroyed” then say that. Instead he said “if Ron looked and sounded like Grady Little he’d get destroyed.”
It was either a poor choice of words from a “gifted writer” or a thinly veiled statement about race.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
by WyoRanger on Feb 25, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing a poor choice of words
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I'm guessing the other choice
and it’s all subterfuge from there. As Dubya said, “Mission Accomplished!”
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
All I want
is equal treatment for everybody and special treatment for nobody.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
I firmly believe that you deserve special treatment

Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Then admit you used a poor choice of words
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
This quote conveys
everything I meant.
“All I want is equal treatment for everybody and special treatment for nobody.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
x

Who gives a shit what Josey says.............................
by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Feb 26, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Don't ever fucking compare us to Red Sox fans.
Ever.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Heh...
I have a lot of black friends, I’m not racist.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Whew, you're safe
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
by WestTxAg06 on Feb 25, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um...
I like Taco Bell. I guess I’m not racist, either.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Man, I miss me some fuckin' Taco Bell.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
Start up a franchise?
Brits could love them some Taco Bell right?
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Feb 25, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
They actually already had Taco Bell here.
But it failed, unfortunately.
I can’t even find anything remotely resembling queso here. Such a tragedy :(
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
No tacos with blood sausage?
I went a few years back and miss the hell out of it. Man that was a great time over there.
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Feb 25, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Trust me, the food novelties wear off quick here
when you can’t get some decent fucking Tex-Mex.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
Still open.
They even serve Lone Star Beer.
But their queso is like someone squirted a bunch of Cheez Whiz into a bowl. Their Tex-Mex is particularly fucking awful.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
They need to sell some Pearl Light....
Brits would love the Pearl.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Lol, that place is awful
I made the mistake of eating there while I was in London.. yikes.
WHEW
You guys, Josey believes there are a “number of blacks” who are intelligent. No racism here!
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Who would compose...
‘Team Bigot’ for LSB?
Hurlerhurley, Too Legit Too Quit, JW, Longhorn…
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Feb 25, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who
resides in Dirkatron or Firebat’s sig talking about how they didn’t think a black man should be managing?
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
see Jesus, .Baseball
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
the guy
who likes to abbreviate “japanese” in three letters?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
Oh, c'mon...
I understand the terrible connotation in the fucking 40’s for Jap, but I would think it’s regarded as a simple abbreviation this day and age, in the right context.
Now, slant eyes or yellow bastard, etc, is definitely uncalled for.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
How about "gook?"
JUST KIDDING!!!!
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
I can never see/hear the word without thinking about Bill Parcells' discussion of trick plays
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
x
but I would think it’s regarded as a simple abbreviation this day and age, in the right context.
You would think that, but you would be completely wrong.
by brettgardner on Feb 26, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Sharky
And Hurlerhurley would be at the head of that crew.
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
yup the Grand Wizard
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Those guys aren't like actual real people, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, ha ha! I get it! Because you misread my comment cause you're fucking stupid and decided to take a swipe at me and then I responded by pointing out how you're fucking retarded and deserve to die I'm not a real person.
Gotcha.
You win.
The award.
For awesome.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Blow me, motherfucker.
You’re on “Team Needs to Shut the Fuck Up”
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good one
Why do you capitalize every word in your handle but “quit?”
Was “Too Legit to Quit” already taken? There couldn’t possibly be another tool out there w/ a moniker that lame, could there?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 25, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Why did I know your dumbass would be the first one to
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Reply?
You try way too hard. What kind of fucking handle is Brian Thomas, anyway? That name has bigot fucktard written all over it.
(I need to quit posting on iPhone)
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 12:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So you're not going to answer the question?
Let me fix sumpin for ya:
(I need to quit posting on iPhone LSB so I can free up some more time to firebomb that gay bar I’ve had my eye on)
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 25, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Here we go again- keep screaming my name.
I’m on your mind 24/7.
Lmao
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 1:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blow you?
I’ve heard you like to jump straight to the buttsex part?
Are you into foreplay now too?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That shtick doesn't work for you, pal.
Who the fuck were you anyway before you made that post taking a swipe at me?
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm the same guy now...
that I was before making that post. You see, I was on vacation when you made an ass of yourself in that thread. So I missed a lot of the piling on at the time, but I did read it. I’m just another one of those LSBers that can’t stand bigotry. Call me crazy.
So if you don’t mind I think I’ll keep screaming your name too. I have a feeling you probably like it like that anyway.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Perfect, you complete the Mean Girls trifecta.
Enjoy gossiping and trying to be the most popular ‘poster’ on LSB while playing hop scotch.
Remember the groups in middle school? The group who looked at the playboys while the other would show up at 7:00 AM to play Dungeons and Dragons and scream out death threats if they lost?
You come off as the latter.
Kthxbye.
Lmao.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I find it hard to believe...
that there are only 3 of us who hate ignorant jackasses who make racist comments on a public forum, but okay.
And boy do you have me pegged in your school groupage. Might I try and classify you as well?
Remember the guys that would talk about how many chicks they boned in HS and would go around trying to pick fights to show how tough they were? Didn’t it seem like they were trying to hide something?
Enjoy looking at your playboys and laughing your ass off at the end of each of your posts.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Feb 25, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty good stuff
but huge negative points for using the term “boned”.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'm laughing my ass of because of you people who continue to bring up old crap like we're still in fucking middle school.
Let it go, you fucking retard.
Lmfao.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
to them, that stuff is too legit to quit bringing it up…huh? huh?…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm an Arlington Stadium Legend, they need to let it go.
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wish I had 4 hands
so I could give that joke 4 thumbs down…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sorry
I couldn’t come up with a reference that involved middle school boys and nudie magazines so you could understand. I’ll try better next time. I promise…
Poop!!!
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Some of my best friends are black
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
Not mediocre. Right about average
Typical racist guy argument...
Let me list all of my black friends and blacks who my racist comment doesn’t apply to. Force field, activate.
If you think Ron gets a pass BECAUSE HE’S BLACK, you’re just fucking stupid. No one gets a pass BECAUSE THEY’RE BLACK. What world are you living in, you dumb bitch.
ron washington is a dumbass
"He do what he do" - Ron Washington
by dustinvandeman on Feb 25, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Short, sweet, to the point, and very accurate.
You get a rec from me.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Now let Ron go smoke a philly blunt
"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152
Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"
Check out the pronunciation of it in this A&W Root Beer commercial
Greatness.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
So Adam
is this the year that Nelson Cruz finally hits LH pitching in The Show?
You keep promising me it’s going to happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
He'll either hit or he won't hit
I don’t think he’ll hit against RHPs and not against LHPs.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 25, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I think at the age of 30 (turns 30 on July 1)
he is what he is as a hitter and we shouldn’t expect too much improvement.
Even if he does start hitting LH pitching, I’m not expecting great improvement in his numbers.
I think 30-35 bombs with an .850ish OPS sounds about right.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
Well god help us if he doesn't hit.
Because then what? Vlad in RF, JB in CF, Murphy in LF, Hamilton DHing? I cringe at Vlad in the field at all.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Dream a little here...
if Cruz could do what he did last year v RH pitching and then did the same thing v LH pitching…
…you’re talking 45 HR with a .900 OPS and a monster clean-up hitter in his prime. The Impaler would be moved down to the 6-7 hole (depending where The Mensa Washington puts Davis in the line-up).
I don’t know why the fuck Cruz hasn’t hit LH pitching in The Show. He’s fully capable of doing it (according to minor league splits) and he could become a superstar if he let himself do it.
OT – I’ve stumbled upon a new nickname for Wash. He is now The Mensa.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Minor league splits say he is fully capable.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Cruz splits in 2009
He walked more (10.7% vs 9%), struck out less (21.2% vs 27.3 ), hit more line drives (18.4 vs 15.1%) and fewer infield flies (8.5% vs 11.9%) against left-handed pitchers than against right handed pitchers. His OPS against right-handers was better (898 vs 752) because his BABIP (.294 vs .247) and HR/FB (23.9% vs 14.9%) were better against right-handers than against left-handers. These numbers suggest that Cruz’ 2009 season vs lefties was no different than what you would expect based upon his minor league splits.
I suspect that Cruz’s batting line in 2010 will be approximately equal to his 2009 numbers (.260/.332/.524), but that his line against left-handers will be much better and his line against right-handers will be slightly worse.
by spurdynasty on Feb 25, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Heh. I was Z'ing down the page reading today's daily Jose jerkoff as This Thing and Future Pants went back and forth like clockwork...
…and so I naturally assumed this last comment was gonna be by Josey and didn’t mind looking at the SN.
And I’m reading through and as I get to the end I’m like, “Holy shit… Josey just wrote a comment that not only didn’t come off as intentionally stupid, it actually made me feel smarter about baseball when I finished it!”
Then I read the screen name and went, “Oh, okay”.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Except Josey and I aren't arguing.
But whatever you say.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Huh?
The mother fuck are you talking about?
It went You-Josey-You… and then since Josey had been responding to you, and since the guy who responding commenter didn’t have an avatar (just like Josey) I naturally assumed it was Josey when I started reading was the point.
I was expressing my shock at apparently reading something by Josey that was insightful and actually stat-based for once.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I was agreeing with Josey
I don’t see how you can possibly classify that as any kind of an argument.
But whatever you say dude.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
When the fuck did say you were you fucking stupid piece of shit?
Jesus fucking christ on a stick in the rain.
You are incredibly fucking dumb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
So lame and dumb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
You win again.
The award for awesome, I mean.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Last word contest
My dad can beat up your dad!!!
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
you win ASL...err I mean your dad wins
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
He usually does
no one dares accept that challenge…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
is he a big ole dude?
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
He actually is
but for some reason, I never have to actually call him in. Just the threat of him seems to calm everyone down…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
You know
I expect a bit of profanity on these kinds of boards because they aren’t censored in any way, nor are they really kid safe. But, dirk, get your fucking shit covered head out of your ass and stop cursing so much.
Jesus Mother fucking Christ on a stick.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Nah
The last couple of days, the craziness has been between ASL and Josey. FuturePants and Josey didn’t have a dumb argument yet unless I haven’t gotten to it
Josey and I haven't had any dialogue at all in weeks.
Dirkatron is not a thorough reader. Just ignore him.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Fuck you you dumb fuck.
When did I say you did?
I want you to die and I’m mad that you are alive.
Read that thoroughly you stupid fuck.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
No real craziness
He is the village idiot and I was time at work pointing it out. He gets mad and resorts to name calling etc. and then usually runs away and hides…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
*waste time at work*
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
so much anger on this blog lately
Nobody is perfect, i am nobody, therefore, i am perfect
by 34express on Feb 25, 2010 1:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How is that anger?
Josey is the village idiot. I get my kicks at work messing with the village idiot. When I leave work at 2:30, I don’t give him another thought until I fire up the computer the next day. That is nowhere near my definition of anger…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
You are way more of an idiot.
You’ve pretty much made it your job lately to harass Josey on any comment he makes.
Get a fucking life and contribute, instead of fucking up the threads everyday.
Wash is an idiot!!
by b.pate on Feb 25, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
AHHHH
I got my little wee wee slapped by Josey’s biggest fans…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
It is most assuredly past 2:30pm, sir.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Feb 25, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
HAHAHA
well played. i was waiting to do the same.
by nathanbaum09 on Feb 25, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's not what I meant...
The Daily Josey Jerkoff comment was simply about the fact that every daily thread contains at least one long sub thread where Josey goes off on one his pre-programmed points.
I only namechecked Future Pants because he’d been the one to respond to Josey the last two times.
I was not implying that he and Josey were having an argument (note that I never use the word “argument”) or that they’d been having arguments in the past (note, again, the fact that I never say the fucking word ARGUMENT).
And then the fucking pussy ass gets sand in his aforementioned pussy-ass and starts whining about how I’d unfairly classified his conversation as an argument or some shit.
Long story short: Jesus fucking Christ that guy is fucking annoying.
He’s the new worst, I think.
I’ll have to sleep on it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Don't whine because someone calls you out and corrects your bullshit assessments.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Fuck you, you didn't call me out on anything.
You implied I said something I didn’t fucking say you stupid fuck.
Fuck this whole thing is stupid.
I hate you so much.
What did you call me out on?
What did I say that was bullshit?
Please.
Enlighten.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
You suggested that it is par for the course for Josey and I to have a back and forth.
When it’s not. Now you want to cry because someone disagrees with you, which is your MO. You can’t handle a disagreement and you very vocally cry about it.
I think you have some hilarious posts, I really do – but good god, you bring nothing to the table other than some mildly amusing comments about orphans. You have nothing to say about baseball and you are an asshole to everyone here, with only a couple of exceptions. Josey at least has something to say about baseball. I can at least respect that. All you do is berate, which I don’t respect.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
No I didn't. And I explianed what I meant.
The fact that you continue on with telling me what I meant when that’s not at all what I meant is what’s pissing me off.
I honest to god did not suggest that, or at the very least that’s not what I fucking intended to suggest, and why continue to say that that’s what I meant is infuriating.
Josey’s Daily Jerkoff is what happens in the daily threads every day. You are not always involved in said JDJ’s. I never implied you were.
I was attempting to provide a little background/setting on the exchange leading up to the post where I mistakenly read Spur’s comment as though it was Josey’s.
I only name checked you cause you were the one involved in the exchange directly to… which was what the entire comment was about. That was it.
FUCK.
I’ve said this like 8 fucking times now.
STOP TELLING ME WHAT I FUCKING MEANT.
I know what I fucking meant and it drives me crazy when whiny little pussies go off in a tizzy about me saying something about them I didn’t fucking say.
And I may have a shit ton of bad qualities (including a tendency to fly off the handle and shout like a crazy person… I know this), but being subtle or refusing to acknowledge what I said when I call someone out ain’t one of ’em.
I have no idea how the fuck you’re still maintaining I’m wrong about this.
You really think I’m backtracking?
Why would I do that? I’m a jackass. If I’d said something jackassy, why would I care? I didn’t, is the fucking point. And i’ve explained that I didn’t several times and you continue to just tell me that “No, you’re wrong, you don’t know what you meant, so shut up and stop telling me you know what you meant while I hurl passive aggressive insults at you for that comment you made that I know what it meant and you obviously don’t cause you’re a whiner and you suck and are dumb and Dirkatron is a stupid screen name.”
I absolutely hate it when people put words in my mouth and try to tell me what I meant, and I also hate little passive aggressive pussy shit like you’re opening salvo of “Whatever you say, dude”.
That shit just drives me nuts.
(And I do talk baseball… when there’s baseball to talk. All this stuff’s been talked to death for me right now, so I mainly’ve been throwing my 2 cents into the OT shit… but, come on, to say I never talk baseball is silly. There comes a point when I’ve had all the arguments there are to have and don’t really feel like rehashing it. I guess I could’ve stated my horror at the thought of Vladdy in the field “just to make him happy”, but by the time I got here my opinions on that matter had been covered already.)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
JDJ needs to stay in the LSB lexicon
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Nothing better
than Day Walker rage.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Joking right?
I’ve seen Dirk make plenty of salient posts about baseball.
by LiamP on Feb 25, 2010 11:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not in a long while, no.
And only then, it’s simply to berate people and their opinions. Dirkatron is a dick, he acknowledges it, we all know it. Not sure why he has to cry about someone pointing that out.
I’m not doubting his baseball knowledge, just his intent and use of said knowledge.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, at this point... Yah. Shtick. You got me, man.
Heh.
I should’ve known it was shtick…
I actually thought you were being serious.
Baiting the angry jackass by putting words in his mouth and then pretending to not know what he’s saying.
The Dirkatronical equivalent of “Stop hitting yourself”.
Well played.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Let it go, man.
There is plenty of stuff to discuss without us insulting each other.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Let what go?
I still don’t understand what the hell is going on.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto.
I have no idea what the fuck your problem is.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
You're serious? I've made it clear several times.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Why the fuck
would we want to do that?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Is this the new version of "I Like Pie"?
That would be cool.
Every time Josey says something, instead of responding with your favorite pie, we just need two regulars to get into a big ole’ hissy fit.
It’s worked beautifully. Josey hasn’t posted in quite awhile.
by Oracle Galvez on Feb 25, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Heh
Point taken; I’m done with Dirkatron’s antics for today.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yah, I shouldn't have done all the cursing and death wishing, but I really hate it when people tell me what I mean and then judge me based on that even when I go so far as to explain multiple times that I didn't mean that... like, at all.
I’m starting to think you’re baiting me with this shit, cause no way are you this obtuse for real.
This is such a god damn stupid argument.
I NEVER IMPLIED THAT YOU AND JOSEY ARGUED OR THAT YOU DO SO DAILY.
I know you’re just gonna say I’m lying cause it’s now pretty apparent you have a problem with me, but w/e.
I’m trying really hard not to type something about how much I hope you die here, btw…
Christ this argument is stupid.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get married.
I spend all my energy trying to correct my wife’s misinterpretation of my thoughts. It’s a constant battle just to get her to fucking understand what I actually said as opposed to what she thinks I said. She does make amazing kids though. I’m just saying.
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I was wondering how this was gonna be blamed on Josey.
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
You know
But – and I am only saying that because I care – there’s a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I try not to drink much caffeine, actually.
Me on caffeine is, like… it’s just bad news.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 26, 2010 4:54 AM CST up reply actions
It'd be like
Rikki Tikki Tavi on cocaine.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
by t ball on Feb 26, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cruz is a powerful man, but
a 24% HR/FB is pretty outrageous. Assuming his HR/FB rate against right-handers drops back into the 15-20% range that it should, then his SLG is going to suffer and take his OPS vs right-handers with it.
by spurdynasty on Feb 25, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Small sample
Cruz has had a total of 347 plate appearances against lefties in his entire career, spread out over 4 seasons. That is really not a strong enough base to say he can’t do it, though to give you some credit, at least you say he’s capable but just hasn’t done it yet.
His career split is .818/.740, which doesn’t strike me as unusual or significant. I think Adam is right, if he’s hitting to his overall potential, his splits won’t be a big concern.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
by t ball on Feb 25, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The aberration were the numbers that Cruz
put up in 2008 v LH pitching in The Show. We’re talking what, 37 plate appearances and most of those happened in September.
I don’t understand why he hasn’t hit LH pitching in The Show.
Nelson Cruz torturing LH pitching in The Show is one of those items that should be on our 2010 Bucket List To Becoming Better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
Saved me from having to post it. You need a very large sample before you can truly say whether someone has L/R splits or not and Cruz isn’t there yet. There was a series at FanGraphs about this a couple weeks ago.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 25, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I agree that his overall numbers will probably be similar to what he did last year.
I just don’t know that the splits will be similar to last year.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 25, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think you ever know what you're going
to get with Cruz.
Three months away from his 27th birthday (when he should be on the doorstep of his prime) he was no more than the 4th OF on the 2007 Rangers team (which was a really shitty team with an even shittier OF).
How the hell does that happen with somebody with this much physical ability?
The 2008 Rangers weren’t world beaters and Cruz was cut!!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Feb 25, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
How many players
do you really “know” what you’re going to get, though? Very few, I think. The path to establishing yourself in the major leagues is rarely a smooth ascent.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
If that's what he hits this year
then it isn’t so bad.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
did he promise this on previous years
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I like
how he asked the question and than gave his own answer. It’s like he’s Ed McMahon and Johnny Carson at the same time, except he’s not funny at all…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Cruz
in 1000 major league PA’s, he’s had a 70-30 split righties vs lefties.
He’s hit 50 points better in slugging and 10 points better in OBP and 20 points better in BA vs right handers.
In ~1500 minor league PA’s, he’s had about a 3-1 split righties vs lefties.
He’s hit 8 points better in slugging but 50 points worse in OBP and 45 points worse in BA vs right handed pitchers than left.
What does that mean? it means to me that he has no discernable platoon split.
It means that the 150 PA’s vs lefties in 2009 mean as little as the 42 PA’s vs lefties he had in 2008. (He hit .419/.514/.774).
So Adam Morris, your answer could easily be, “2008”
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I predict
2 punted babies per month. 12 for the season.
You’ll be incarcerated for a long long time once they figure out it’s you.
by Oracle Galvez on Feb 25, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
But until they do he'll have a lot of fun.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
another way to cut Cruz's ABs
then blame him for not getting more RBIs
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Then planning to stick Cruz ("He'll bump into 30 HRs...")
behind CDavis (with one of the worst OBP in MLB) and bitch about him not getting enough RBI.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
8th worst to be specific.
Good thing the Rangers divulged them selves of the two guys on their team with worse OBA’s. You know: Pudge and Blalock
>jab
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
I like the way you think.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
better start practicing
I’d start with watermelons, they build calf strength
Hey bigsteve
And let that be a lesson to your Rodney about agreeing with bigsteve, though you were right about Inglorious Basterds
Heh
I didn’t argue for 20 posts about it however…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Neither, really
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
MY on the Ticket in 3 minutes
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I dont need to listen to know what it's going to sound like
We just go out there and play hard everyday
try to play the game the right way
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I'm not going to make any predictions on our W-L record.
We’re just going to take it one day at a time.
You go out there.
You wanna play good. You hope you play good. I think we played pretty good tonight.
by Chrom on Feb 25, 2010 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
YUP he's sooooooo boring with that monotone voice to boot
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
But that's what the people want!
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by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
"We want to keep him happy?"
Why does he need to be placated by playing RF? Shouldn’t his salary keep him happy?
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
Seriously
We shouldn’t be catering to the preferences of 80-year old Dominicans whose focus needs to be on staying healthy and productive in their this year, not whether or not they play RF or DH.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Kinda reminds me
Of when they let Jose Canseco pitch, saying, “Whats the worst thing that can happen” and then he blew out his arm and missed 6 months with TJ surgery.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Looking at the videos
really hammers home Kiker’s size. He looks tiny out there.
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What it makes me realize is
When he makes it to the majors, it’s going to be hell having to listen to Lewin expound on him as the “pitching-version-of-David-Eckstein” every time he pitches.
You know that’s exactly what’ll happen, too.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
he's billy wagner's size.
you’re taller on the mound so it might give that perception right
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
LMAO
That’s kind of awesome. I might work that into a sig:
“The pitching mound: Kasey Kiker’s booster seat.”
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
I approve this sig.
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Harrison... Durrett chat
Q: Was it tough to give up sweets?
A: Oh yeah. I love eating chocolate chip cookies. I had to tell my wife to quit making them. She was making them at 9 o’clock at night and I’d get home and she’d eat one and I’d eat the rest of them.
OT: Jayson Williams finally got sentenced
5 years.
Reading some of the other incidents in his life, dude sounds like a tremendous asshole even if he hadn’t killed that guy.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/01/11/2010-01-11_exnets_star_jayson_williams.html
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Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
wow and could be out in 18 months...
He staged it to look like the guy killed himself too and asked people to lie? That’s not nearly enough, what a doooosh.
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Only 5 fucking years?
Oh, well.
I read a report a while back that made it sound like he’d spent a shit ton of money on this travashamockery of a legal proceeding and that he’s prolly gonna have to file for bankruptcy… so at least there’s that. That he’s poor now, I mean.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Well
Dante Stallworth got community service for running over a man while hammered drunk so at least he actually has to go to jail…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
unbelievable.
Did he pay the family off yet?
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Worked well for Ray Lewis
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
2.75 mil for "wroingful death" it said, iirc.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, oops, that was Jayson Williams, btw. Not sure if you were asking about him or Stallworth.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Stallworth....I'm sure they got a pretty penny also...maybe more
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
Stallworth
his agreement was confidential. It did say he had 2 insurance policies. One was a car insurance policy, and one was a 5 million dollar umbrella insurance policy. He served something like 24 days in jail for killing a man. Disgustin..
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Well, it's not like Stallworth fled the scene and completely denied any wrongdoing.
A good lawyer will get you that kind of plea agreement.
Also, the family of the man he ran over wasn’t really asking for the book to be thrown at him…
by TooLegitToQuit on Feb 25, 2010 11:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
which I thought was weird, but whatever. They claimed they just wanted to have it over with and move on. I’m wondering if that was code for, the less you press this thing legally, the more money you get behind the scenes…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
YUP the more you pay us the more we shut up about it...
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
I wonder how much Kobe's Colorado girl got...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
8 inches
'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'
by scoop16 on Feb 25, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
ROFL well played Scoop a Loop!
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
This post made me glad I have been reading through this thread
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
I would guess
the number is very close to whatever that ridiculous giant diamond ring he got his wife right after cost. Wifey said, you can pay her to shut up, but I want something equal in return…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
One million
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 25, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Probably right about on
give or take 10 or 20 thousand
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 25, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right
She also got money settlements from a couple of Tabloids which printed her picture.
All in all
not a bad business decision for her i guess haha. There needs to be a hidden camera show following around athletes on the road. I mean everyone would watch, right?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 25, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I heard an interview with a dude that worked with her at the hotel
And he said she was a flake, and looking for a get rich quick scheme. I mean, he was friends with her, but he knew his boundries.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
and didn't she have sex with someone else like 48 hours later?
I’m gonna go out on a limb and call bullshit on her rape allegations.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 25, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
To me… that statement by Kobe indicates that he’s guilty. She may be a flake. And there may not have been enough evidence to win a trial. But that statement is damning. His lawyers allowed him to read that as part of the condition for dropping the criminal case. Some may write it off as “He’d have said anything to stop the criminal case”, but I have a hard time believing he’s innocent.
by Oracle Galvez on Feb 25, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly,
I think he committed adultery but certainly not rape. She consented and then the next morning im sure she thought how much money she could get out of this so i agree with BT.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Feb 25, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
See OG's reply.
He pretty much admitted it.
From what I’ve been able to glean, basically she consented to the sex, then he decided he was gonna finish strong and put it her ass over her objections, so it was kind of a muddled situation.
And that’s a dangerous fucking game trying to use the actions of rape victims in the hours and days following an assault as evidence of whether or not a rape occured.
People react differently to that sort of thing.
There’s no uniform right or wrong way to act after that kind of shit.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 26, 2010 5:03 AM CST up reply actions
re: "People react differently to that sort of thing"
In this case, the statistics don’t bear that out.
Pretty much any rape study/analysis/survey will tell you that the idea of a rape victim having sex weeks after, much less days, is virtually inconceivable.
Do you know anyone that’s been raped? Ask them how long it was before they were capable of the remotest scintilla of intimacy.
I agree, people do react differently to all sorts of things. But one thing studies have shown is that rape victims have at least one thing in common, and that’s a vehement aversion to any form of sexual contact for a LONG stretch of time.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 26, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
That pissed me the hell off.
I was talking about being fine with Vick’s sentence once and someone spazzed out on me, saying “Oh, so Vick has to go to jail for killing dogs but Stallworth only kills a dude so he doesn’t?” And I followed that up by wondering when I ever said I was fine with Stallworth’s sentence.
I feel like we as a society are too lenient on drunk driving. Goddam.
It's been my experience
as a police officer that it’s sometimes very hard to send someone to actual “pound me in the ass” prison. I’ve made over 500 arrests and, if I am correct in my record keeping, only 15 have actually gotten sentenced to any time in the State pen. That includes a long list of drug offenses (both intent to distributes and trafficking charges) DUIs, a dude trying to kill his wife by shooting at her, a guy trying to kill me, and a whole host of Assault w/ Deadly Weapons kind of charges.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Wow, that's fucked up
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Wait, the guy who tried to kill you... DIDN'T go to prison? Seriously?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well, in the interest of fairness
that one is still a bit up in the air, but I’ve been told that there’s no way he’ll go. Probably some short time in county with a trillion year suspended.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
he dragged me in his car, btw, so it's not like he shot an RPG at me or anything
but I’m still very lucky that I’m alive and can still walk.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
You see, this (and prolly about a million others, if we're being honest) is why I could never be a cop.
If some dirtbag did that to me I’d murder his face so fucking hard.
Glad to hear you made it through, though.
And kudos on the self control on the not murdering his face thing.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 26, 2010 5:07 AM CST up reply actions
Ha ha
If you were a cop, I’d wager that you’d end up on the news a few times…
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 26, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
He'd never even graduate
from academy.
Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Well, he grabbed my right arm
which is my gun hand. Had it been the other way around, it probably wouldn’t hae ended up with no one getting hurt.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Did he have felony warrants or sumpin?
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 26, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
DUI
and had just punched his neighbor in the face, which is why we got called out there in the first place. He has a very very long history of hostility towards the police…probably because we keep arresting him whenever we can.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
in Oklahoma, our DUI is the equiv. of the DWI in Texas
before anyone accuses me of tightening up on someone who’s not even a .08! Hahahahaha!
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I bet you have some good stories
Are you guys allowed to select your own handguns? What do you carry?
I heart HKs. USP .40.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 26, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
my department issues Glock 22s
but I carry a Sig P226 in .40. It feels better in my hands than a Glock.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
You are officially the most grizzled man on LSB.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
Whats the diff between
“intent to distribute” and “trafficking?”
That sounds like the same thing.
"I don’t know how these SN blog authors get their gigs, but I’m frankly surprised SN tolerates AJM’s lack of effort." Tex34
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 25, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing
that “intent to distribute” means that it looks like you may do some trafficking, but there’s not hard evidence of it. Where “trafficking” means they probably have proof that you have already in fact distributed.
Though again, that’s just a guess. I really don’t know.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
Trafficking
seems to mean for financial gain. Intent to distribute can be giving it to someone else even if you don’t gain financially.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
That's probably way more correct than what I said.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
Intent to distribute means you have all the precursors available to distribute, i.e. dope, baggies, scale, etc.
Doesn’t mean you were caught selling. Trafficking means you were busted in the midst of a sale, i.e. selling to an undercover cop.
It’s Advil and beef in the Texas Rangers, you yankee bastard.
- Nolan Ryan
You just have to have an ounce or more
You don’t have to have all the other stuff. Talking about pot, anyway. My friend had an ounce and and a half and the only baggie he had was the one it was in. Busted for possession with intent.
by Black Francis on Feb 25, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I was always told it was 2 ounces
I found a website but I suck at posting links
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 25, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well that was back in the middle 1990's
So I could have forgotten or it could changed.
by Black Francis on Feb 25, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Just put something in quotes, follow it with a colon, then the link.
Then preview it before you post to make sure it works.
Ex. "poop"_:_htp://poop.com (no underscore around the colon)
will show poop
and the link will take you to poop.com
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Thanks, I'll try
Pot , keep it less than 56 grams
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 25, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yahtzee
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Gracias Ace
I feel so accomplished right now
Shadazz. She's sensitive. Just like jazz. SHADAZZ.
by Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge on Feb 25, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Just pay it forward.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
It's hard to believe
…that’s it’s possible to go to prison for 99 years for having even 2000 pounds of weed. I know that’s a lot, but it’s not like you’re trafficking weapons or selling secrets to the Chinese.
by Black Francis on Feb 25, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
This is incorrect.
I’ve handled cases where people were caught with a pound or more of weed and couldn’t be charged with possession with intent to distribute because the arresting officer could not point to any evidence supporting said intent. There is no magic amount that automatically carries a presumption of intent to distribute.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Well that's what he was charged with.
And there was no evidence of any intent to distribute. He didn’t even have a pipe or papers or anything else to smoke it with. No other paraphernalia in the car whatsoever.
by Black Francis on Feb 25, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Which is retarded.
It’s like the cops refuse to believe one person could smoke that amount.
Either that or they were just being dicks and wanted to tack on extra charges.
But I guess since it’s illegal regardless there’s no room to complain.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
This actually happens sometimes.
It’s the exception of course, but there are times when crimes are overcharged. For example, I represented a teen that was accused of throwing a brick through the window of his ex-girlfriend’s bedroom. It landed a few feet away from her as she lay on her bed. They charged him with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon instead of criminal mischief like they should have.
It also tends to happen where the defendant has a record already. The charges are beefed up in hopes that he can be put away longer. Still, as I said, that’s the exception, not the rule.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Also
Because he was in a moving vehicle he could be charged with trafficking I believe or distribution simply cus he was transporting it also if he didnt have anything to smoke it with it could be judged he was just distributing it and not using it himself
Nobody punished like Earl and No one was nastier than Ryan
In a nutshell ...
“Intent to distribute” means that you are caught in possession of narcotics and based upon other factors evident at the time of the arrest, it is likely that you were intending to sell or otherwise distribute it to others. “Trafficking” isn’t really the legal term used to describe actual selling of drugs—we call it “Distribution”. That occurs when you are actually caught selling the drugs to somebody like an confidential informant or an undercover officer.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
I'm not sure in Texas
but in Oklahoma, there is a weight associated with a trafficking charge. I don’t remember off the top of my head for all of them, but I think the min. weight for meth trafficking is 30 grams. Intent to Distribute is more applicable to how you find the drugs. For example, if I get a guy with 25 grams of weed and it’s all in one baggie, an argument can be made that it’s all for personal use. But if the same 25 grams are all packaged seperately in smaller baggies of similar weight (5 baggies each weighing 5 grams) and he’s got a bunch of $10s or $20s with him, you can infer that he is possessing the drugs with the intent to distribute them.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I have the utmost respect for officers of the law..
How you guys get up and deal with these thugs almost every day of your lives is pretty amazing imo. Whenever I get pulled over I’m exceedingly nice to the officer. In fact the last 4 times I’ve been pulled over (I have a bit of a heavy foot) they’ve let me go with no ticket. The key to my success was to :
1) Keep my hands on the top of the steering wheel until they actually get up to the car and can see your hands or flash the light on your hands. I’d imagine having your hands in a glovebox getting your paper work or fidgeting would make them a little nervous approaching the car.
2) If you were speeding admit wrongdoing when he asks you if you know why you are being pulled over. Don’t be belligerent.
3) Treat them with respect. I actually had really long conversations with a couple of them about a lot of different topics. They’re just trying to do their job and really appreciate it when you treat them with respect and are nice.
4) Don’t tell any mom jokes.
Seems to work for me, or maybe I just was lucky and came across some really nice cops. Although one of the 4 times I was driving in the left lane late at night and apparently that’s illegal in some states unless you’re passing, so he could of given me a warning but didn’t. I believe it was in Kansas.
If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.
That's my line of thinking as well.
In the being honest part, even fess up when he asks how fast you think you were going. I was doing 85 in a 60 when a HiPo pulled me over. He asked what I thought I was going and said told him, “Probably 85”. He said yup, and told me since I was being honest and not lieing about how fast I was going, he’d let me off with a warning. I was pleased.
And about the driving on the left side of the road, just tell him what my grandpa always used to say: “I pay taxes for both sides of the road!”
You were getting a ticket anyways right?
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
I'm not a real big ticket writer
In fact, once I pulled a guy over for 20ish over the limit (which is when I start thinking it might be time to think about possibly writing a ticket…but I’d still probably reduce it), and when I asked him if he always went that fast, he replied with “that’s what she said.” It was a very Michael Scott type of moment…you could tell it was just a reflex for him to make that joke and as soon as it came out, he knew he had screwed up royally. But that was my big laugh for the day and he went away with a smile and a wave.
Don’t get me wrong…the world needs the cop who is somewhat heavy handed on traffic enforcement. If every cop was like me, no one would fear punishment for crazy-ass driving and they would just do whatever they wanted to and there’d be a lot of fatality crashes. But the world also needs cops like me to balance out the Buford T. Justices of the world.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Agreed
I think you’re cool enough to admit that most of your comrades in arms aren’t the brightest bulbs in the bunch. Combine that with the power they have and the power they think they have, and it can be a shitty situation.
Recently I’ve thought about becoming a cop. In spite of my LSB persona I think I’d be pretty good at it.
by Black Francis on Feb 26, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
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BizballMaury Biz of sports geeks, bookmark this: MLB reports that the league pulled in $6.6 billion in gross revenues for 2009
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I’m starting to think that there are times when Ron Washington just says stuff, and you shouldn’t really pay attention to it. I’m thinking this is one of those times.
That should be the case with any good manager and what he says to the press. Any sports coach or manager that is honest with the press 100% of the time – or even most of it, actually – is an idiot. Fortunately, Washington isn’t. He’s a pro.
Texas_Dawg again?
http://www.lonestarball.com/2010/2/23/1323194/josh-howard-with-a-torn-acl#31336900
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 25, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
oh ok
just another dude giving vague references to having insider knowledge with an uppity tone. Cool, good for us.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 25, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
No idea what a Texas Dawg is.
And I’m not sure what “uppity tone” you are talking about from our discussion about Greenberg’s contribution to the deal.
If you go back and look at the discussion it went like this:
1) You posted a response to me backing into an estimate of the Greenberg number by linking two different articles on Ryan’s invested amount. That was an honest and reasonable attempt at trying to prove your claim that Greenberg has invested more than $3M.
2) So I addressed it, explaining where the holes are. There was nothing “uppity” in my response at all. I mentioned having met Grant before to say that I was not meaning to bash him or his reporting. Since I know for fact that the number is $3 million, I was actually trying to figure out where the disconnect was myself, as I know he is a solid journalist. And I believe the questions I suggested you ask would explain where the disconnect happened.
3) You and “brettgardner” responded to that with juvenile responses that basically said you didn’t really have any serious rebuttal to the points.
Are you interested in serious discussion? Or just trolling and shouting down people who disagree with what you believe or want to be reality? I ask for future reference.
What fact do you have that it is $3 million?
That seems to be the main sticking point here. We’ve actually linked a page that shows someone claiming a higher amount. All you’ve brought to the table is “I know for a fact”. While I too am having a hard time finding a definite number on how much either Greenberg or Nolan have invested, I wasn’t the one stating a certain amount. The burden of proof is on you to back up your claim of “I know for a fact the number is $3 million”.
That’s really all we are asking you to do. We have the word of a “solid journalist” as you put it who said off-handed that it was over $5 mil, and you saying it is $3 mil. Forgive us for chastising you for your inablility or neglect of backing up your statement with evidence supporting it.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
* should be up to 5%, not $5mil.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
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What fact do you have that it is $3 million?
I learned it from someone familiar with the terms of the deal. And yes, I understand why one would be skeptical of such a claim from an anonymous post on the internet. I would be as well. Totally understandable, and I haven’t acted otherwise. That’s why I’ve responded to the posts questioning it directly and without the personal attacks and sarcasm to which others here have had to resort. (And the sarcasm no big deal to me, so your “forgive us” line is misplaced. All I did was point out that the snarky comments in place of serious rebuttals or refuting points don’t really do much for the poster’s argument. Is that not true?)
Now getting to the core of your argument:
We have the word of a "solid journalist" as you put it who said off-handed that it was over 5%, and you saying it is $3 mil.
I went over this in my initial response to Dirk Diggler’s post introducing this information. But no one chose to respond seriously to the points I made. So let me restate them here, and hopefully you and anyone seriously interested in the discussion will respond to them directly and seriously this time.
Here is the line from Grant in question:
Ryan, who will hold up to five percent of the club once he is fully vested, said
1) Is this 5% of the total club value or simply 5% of the equity?
2) What does the “fully vested” caveat mean? When will he be “fully vested?”
Let’s say the Rangers are worth $535M, but, say, $425M of the $525M HSG debt is attached to the Rangers. So Hicks’ equity stake is worth $110M. (I believe Hicks owns 95% of the equity currently, but let’s call it 100% for the easier math.) Let’s say Greenberg and Co. are buying 80% of the club ($428M). How much cash are they putting up towards that and how much of it is from lenders? Maybe they have secured $425M in loans ($250M being from new lenders cashing out HSG creditors, $175M being current HSG creditors willing to renew the Rangers loans given the new ownership team) and paid Hicks $88M cash for 80% of the equity. All very plausible, right?
If that’s the case, then maybe Ryan (and thus Greenberg, if they put up the same amount as Ryan says) put up $3M (3.5% of the $88M from the Greenberg group, with equity incentives in the deal (I don’t know… maybe Greenberg and the others sweetening the deal for him to keep him on) that can somehow vest to around 5% in a few years.
Sigh.
You’re grasping for straws. I think Occam’s razor is needed here.
How about this: Nolan already has a small stake in the Ranger’s through Hicks. He will be fully vested when the entire deal goes through for Greenberg. Since there is still approval from the MLB owners needed, the deal hasn’t gone through. Once the deal is finalized and Greenberg’s investment group is in control, Ryan will be totally vested in the much larger 5% amount.
There really isn’t an argument here, nor am I trying to debate anything with you. Very simply, you made a statement that you can not legitimize. Most of the posters on here do not mind discussing subjects, but only if other posters are able to substantiate claims of “fact” with actual, well facts. Statements such as:
Since I know for fact that the number is $3 million
Need to be verified with a link or reliable source.
I asked you to show a source or place where this can be confirmed and all you responded with was:
I learned it from someone familiar with the terms of the deal
So again, I’ll ask you to back up your claim of fact with another legitamate and verifiable source. If you aren’t able to, I don’t believe anyone on LSB will be able to take you seriously or will respond to you very kindly. Being a baseball blog, most of the people on here are very stat and fact driven, and unverifiable claims from people do not go over well.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
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How about this: Nolan already has a small stake in the Ranger’s through Hicks. He will be fully vested when the entire deal goes through for Greenberg. Since there is still approval from the MLB owners needed, the deal hasn’t gone through. Once the deal is finalized and Greenberg’s investment group is in control, Ryan will be totally vested in the much larger 5% amount.
Pretty unlikely he would have stated it that way. He would have just said he’ll be a 5% owner with the new deal.
But even if he did mean 5% as soon as the deal goes through, how much cash did he put up to get his 5% stake in the club? How much is the equity value of the club? Do you know?
Being a baseball blog, most of the people on here are very stat and fact driven, and unverifiable claims from people do not go over well.
Understood, like I said before. But you and the others objecting to the claim don’t have any verifiable numbers on the ownership deal either. You certainly don’t have anything that says how much Greenberg is contributing to the deal. Yet you have decided to firmly conclude the number is higher than $3M. Why do you think that is?
Again, I really don't want to argue.
It’s he said, he said. You say $3 mil, I say more. My basis is for thinking this is my interpretation of what Evan said. Your basis is “I learned it from someone familiar”. I at least have some tangible way of showing my thinking. You do not. Except for “I know someone on the inside”.
Here’s one: I know for a fact there are other beings on another planet. Do you believe this? If you don’t, why do you think that isn’t true? If you do, I’m done talking with you since you’re crazy.
Yes, this is sarcasm. You are attempting to have me run around chasing my tail. Adios and we’ll see how close you were on your $3 million range soon when the deal goes through.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
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You say $3 mil, I say more. My basis is for thinking this is my interpretation of what Evan said.
Fine. 5%. Like Grant said.
So:
$535M club value
- $470M debt
= $65M equity
All $470M debt arranged through new (or old) lenders.
5% of $65M? $3,000,000.
Right?
Not trying to get you to chase your tail. Just trying to get you to think a little. You said this place demands facts and stats after all.
Wash
For those chiming in with the tired, “Ron is a dumbass” comments, I think it’s important to remember that this isn’t fantasy baseball. Personally, I’d rather not see Vlad in the OF, but if it’s really important to him as a player to get out of the dugout, than it won’t kill the team to put him out there occasionally (it’s not like he’s Jermaine Dye or Adam Dunn bad).
by Randy Richardson on Feb 25, 2010 11:36 AM CST reply actions
that statement didn't really have anything to do with my comment
it is ron’s accumulation of stupid and idiotic things he has said and done over the few seasons that make me think he is a dumbass
"He do what he do" - Ron Washington
by dustinvandeman on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
True. I've often stated that a good manager is one who can keep the player's happy while not absolutely killing you with the his game-to-game moves.
Which is about what I think about Wash. On the players loving him front I think he’s pretty good.
On the field… He’s not gonna make all of his decisions the way we want him to, but no manager is gonna do that, cause they actually have to deal with these guys in person.
Plus, Vlad may be a statue of indeterminate age, but he can at least still throw, can’t he?
So he’s got that, I guess.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty much agree
A manager is always going to get roasted by stathead, insane fans like most of us on here are. Of course, everything a manger does is wide open to second-guessing, because the result is right there on the field, and immediate, usually.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Every manager's an idiot until he wins a ring.
See: Torre, Joe.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Feb 25, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Saying he's not as bad as Dunn or Dye is like saying Ebola isn't as bad as terminal penis cancer.
Dunn and Dye are two of the worst defensive players in baseball. Vlad being a tick above them is hardly a ringing endorsement (avg UZR/150 of -14 the past 4 years? At least it’s not 20!).
Aside from how shitty he is at defense, playing Vlad in the OF increases his chance for injury with those knees that are on the brink of basically disintegrating. Your main goal with Vlad is to keep him healthy…having him play RF, even on occasion, would be pretty pointless.
by LiamP on Feb 25, 2010 12:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ebola is much, much worse
Than terminal penis cancer.
Incidentally, HPV can cause penile cancer, but it’s less common. Still, it makes me wonder why there isn’t a big push to get guys vaccinated? It seems to me that this would result in less public resistance to it and would be better in the long run. People expect guys to sleep around, which means people won’t be surprised/outraged that guys have HPV, so they should be more willing to vaccinate their kids, no? Also, the less people that have it, the better. Also, the whole penile cancer thing.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 25, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
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If Vlad is that frail, the team shouldn’t have signed him at all.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 25, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Why is that?
The dude could roll up to the plate, swing at grapes in the dirt, and still hit .300
what do we care how fragile he is in the field.
Oh my god! What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?
-Wash
Unless he's sturdy enough to play DH where the team had a hole.
In which case they should have signed him.
well,
the point is that saber-types can error on the side of thinking all decisions should be made without any concern for the human element.
by Randy Richardson on Feb 25, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
You are a brave man.
Saying “human element” to anybody whose baseball world revolves solely around statistical analysis is kind of like walking into their house and pissing all over their brand new copy of “The Fielding Bible” … it tends to get them miffed.
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Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
He made a fair point
I don’t see what was so mock-worthy about it.
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by Brian Thomas on Feb 25, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
You are potentially correct.
The “fantasy baseball” meme is a bit old, though. I was mocking it more than I was mocking Randy.
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@Evan_P_Grant #Rangers void Khalil Greene contract.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
How talented is Kevin Goldstein?
He can make an Elvis Andrus dig even when discussing recent Padres prospects:
[Everth] Cabrera was a shockingly successful Rule 5 pick who had a better year than Rangers star Elvis Andrus in a much tougher home park.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10110 (pay)
by Brett Perryman on Feb 25, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions
What a dick
Yeah, gotta love that -11.7 UZR he threw up.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Feb 25, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
.703 to .702 ops wooo.
with lesser defense and a little less effective on the bases. while 2 years older.
the preceding post was a great success.
I don't get it? What is his issue with Andrus?!
I’ve seen him back off of opinions where he ended up being wrong before, it’s not like he’s incapable of that. But seriously, why has he decided Andrus needs to be a whipping boy?
I guess he just genuinely doesn't agree that
he’s been proven wrong yet.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 25, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
but to say Cabrera was better last year
is downright foolish.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
He seems to be hanging his hat on park factors.
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
yes, but HRs really don't factor into these two hitters
that is the big difference in parks. Am I mistaken on that?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
For a SS, I seriously doubt it.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
There should be, and I believe some places try and do so (like Dewan), but. . .
. . . the Rockies have a notoriously slow infield, and their infielders are pretty dominant over the history of +/-. I’m betting it’s not just that they draft amazing fielders.
And I've read the explanation several places, but I'm not sure where off the top of my head.
If I remember I’ll see if I can find it and post it.
Uh oh, Anthony Ranaudo
Cue Peter Griffin’s da da da da da da…langolangolangolang.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/college/?p=2828
Louisiana State announced Wednesday night that junior righthander Anthony Ranaudo, the nation’s top pitching prospect for the 2010 draft, will miss Friday’s scheduled start against William & Mary due to discomfort in his throwing elbow.
LSU coach Paul Mainieri said Ranaudo’s ailment is classified as a stress reaction that does not involve ligament damage, and it does not appear to be a long-term condition.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 25, 2010 12:19 PM CST reply actions
With the 45th pick
in the 2010 MLB Rule 4 draft, the Texas Rangers select: Anthony Ranaudo, RHP, Louisiana State
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The Animated Ballpark in Arlington
2011
He needs to go pitch for the Saint Paul Saints or somesuch.
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"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
fwiw
This appears to be a weak draft, in terms of top pitching talent.
Ranaudo, while being the top college pitcher, is projected as more of a Weaver mid-rotation type from what I’ve seen than a legit TORP.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 25, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
If we're considering the college pitching crop weak
what are we going to call the college positional talent? May not be the best time to have four of the first 50.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 25, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Well
In that case, let’s do what people were accusing the Rangers of last year – draft people with too high money demands with the intent of not signing them for compensatory picks next year. Conspiracy!
by FuturePants on Feb 25, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Who was accusing the Rangers of doing that?
by LiamP on Feb 25, 2010 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
there’s a lot of HS arms, and although Ranaudo was the #1 college arm, he wasn’t exactly the Stephen Strasburg high above everyone else type of #1.
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OT: Bringing advanced stats to the public
This article was linked to this morning from FanGraphs in discussing how to bring advanced stats into the mainstream. Apparently, ESPN did try to use and explain OPS last year, but most fans thought it was too complicated. It started with this Will Carrol article at BP:
Don’t get me wrong. This isn’t a call for anyone to dumb things down, despite the title. No, we need the high-level boffin work, but we also need to figure out a way to ease people into this. We need a gateway drug. We need an educational initiative. We need a PR campaign. We need to evangelize. We need to market. We need to explain, over and over. We need to find ways to engage and educate each and every baseball consumer who’s willing to listen and wants to learn. We need to fight the anti-logic bias this country has and we need to do it soon.
The tech world is about to get the iPad. What’s baseball going to get?
Followed up by an article by former Braves and current ESPN play-by-play guy Jon Sciambi on how much he reads them and the struggles he’s had an the struggles inherent to the attempt of trying to change the stats that most fans use. It starts with a pretty entertaining story about how he tried to approach Chipper Jones about a weakness in his game that Sciambi read about on FanGraphs.
Chipper was so surprised that he went around the clubhouse asking teammates, one by one, if they were surprised. None of them were. Everyone saw it but him, the guy with ostensibly the best view. Chipper has great eyes, obviously, and great belief in those eyes, but those eyes can also occasionally lie to even one of the best hitters in the game.
Both are pretty interesting viewpoints on an issue that many of us here deal with: how do we talk to our non-LSB friends about baseball when we’re speaking 2 different languages?
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
It's frustrating as hell
I work in the newsroom for KNTU (The UNT radio station), and there are times when I’ll proverbially gag at the opinions of the sports guys. I’ve tried injecting any semblance of numbers-and I’m talking OPS, not WAR or WOBA- into the conversations… usually, I get a blank stare (and shift of attention elsewhere).
Yesterday, one of the guys brought a counterpoint- he began preaching about intangibles. It was all I could do to keep a straight face.
I won't respect
the UNT radio station until they go by KUNT…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
About that… one of our anchors actually spoke out those call-letters last semester.
It wasn’t good.
He should be commended
for restoring the station to its previous glory
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it was ever called that
My band cut a demo in the studio there once and there was this old guy hanging around and we asked him.
by Black Francis on Feb 25, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well
it should have been, and should be…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Feb 25, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, if you call it that
you’d have to start broadcasting Lifetime Movie audio all the time.
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Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Also, who the fuck thinks OPS is complicated?
It’s one step more complicated than batting average, and that step is fucking addition.
But you have to look up the slugging percentage.
That’s just too much work.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Thats what ive never understood
People thing its some fancy new stat that requires a degree in advanced mathematics to understand, when it’s just adding 2 numbers together that have always been accepted as hitting statistics.
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Whoa there, everyone knows Billy Beane invented OPS so he could brag about himself by writing Moneyball
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Of course.
And it’s silly because Moneyball doesn’t win championships because it only once guys who walk, it doesn’t appreciate things like defense.
Correct
As we all know, the thesis statement for Moneyball is “winning by building a team that takes a lot of walks.”
I love Josh Lewin to death, but I scream every time that he makes that statement.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Wait, did he really say that?!
I mean, I know most people don’t actually understand the idea of moneyball, but come on, Josh.
Yeah, he's said that a few times
It’s generally in the context of something like this:
“These A’s teams of the last few years have focused on pitching and defense, which is different than the Moneyball idea of building a team with guys who would hit lots of homers and take lots of walks.”
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It's complicated because it doesn't actually measure anything.
It’s a pseudo-stat. It doesn’t tell you how frequently a guy gets on, or how hard the guy hits balls (the common thoughts for SLG and OBP).
It tells you what the sum of OBP and SLG is, and that’s all.
Non-stat heads, while simple, still want to have a basic understanding. Average is how likely a player is to get a base hit. SLG is how hard a player tends to hit. OBP is how often a player makes it to base through hit, error, goats falling from the sky, whatever.
OPS? Explain that again? it’s OBP plus SLG? What does that mean? It’s just a measure for why one player is better than another? What does it actually represent? — that’s the problem with it.
I don’t like OPS because it’s not even a statistic — it’s the sum of two disparate statistical terms, so I don’t have a way to explain it to anyone other than to say that it’s a way to compare players.
Then, you have issues where Blalock OPS’s 740 and Andrus OPS’s 702? From the fan’s perspective, Blalock sure does not seem like 40 points better than Andrus at something other than hitting HRs, and you can’t then say that OBP is actually more important than SLG because your stat treats them equally.
It really boils down to stats that are both simple and meaningful. I think wOBA is most of the way there — but explaining linear weights is difficult and the normalization there-of makes it worse.
Taking the weights and selling a players value as: Walk is worth .2, Single is worth .25, Double is worth .45, Triple is worth .6, and HR is worth 1, and dividing by the number of PAs a player has to get to Statistic X gets you part of the way there — the hard part is explaning why the weights are .2, .25, .45 — and if we can get a simple way to do that, then wOBA (or some measure similar to) should be able to take off much easier.
I don't see how it makes it complicated.
It just makes it not as useful as something else. Yeah, a stat that actually represents something and doesn’t have arbitrary weights is more useful (though among simple stats OPS correlates with run scoring pretty well). That doesn’t actually make it complicated, though. It has two stats that are as easy to deduce as batting average that are then added together. No more, no less.
Hard to apply in any form other than adding a “score” you can compare between players? Yes, but that’s not the same as being complicated.
What you’ve described is why I rarely use OPS (pretty much only if it gets the point across and I’m talking to someone who can’t handle anything beyond that). I still fail to see how it’s complicated, though.
On a completely different and more interesting note. . .
. . . why do you feel linear weights are difficult? To me, they make the most intuitive sense.
JMBlake and I had a long discussion about wOBA over in the fanshots about how it’s adjusted to make it more accessible.
On both posts.
1) I’m trying to compare how an average fan looks at baseball — they want the calculation to be simple, intuitive, and relatable to a viewable skill. OPS gives a comparative “statistic” for between players, but it doesn’t really tell the average person anymore than the AVG/OBP/SLG line does.
2) Linear weights are easy for me to understand and to accept, but I still don’t actually know how to calculate wOBA — and I use regression daily, am comfortable with the idea of an expected amount of contribution — but there’s alot of math and explanation to go through there to show how the weights are calculated and why it makes sense. I’m not exactly familiar with how wOBA is adjusted to be more accessible other than that it’s on the same scale as OBP — .330 is about average, .300 is bad, .350 is good, etc. As to what it really means?
Well, my impression is that it is basically the average number of runs added by a player in each plate appearance? But I don’t know if it’s necessarily that simple, since I wouldn’t think that an average batter adds ~1.2 runs per 4 PAs, but that could be due to being restated to OBP levels.
How does wOBA actually get calculated? My best guess is that it’s the weighted sum of the outcomes divided by plate appearances and then normalized by some factor to get the average result to equal the average OBP, but I don’t know the actual weights nor how it’s actually reshaped to be equal to OBP.
I’m gonna have to go find that Fanshot.
Okay.
1) I agree that OPS doesn’t tell them anymore. I was literally only asking how it was complicated. I agreed with everything else, but I contend it’s an EXTREMELY simple stat.
2) You could be right, but I find it a little hard to believe that linear weights aren’t easy to understand. I never actually knew of baseball linear weights until a few years ago, but I definitely thought they made sense instantly. I can’t say that about every statistic, advanced or otherwise, and I guess I assume that’s the normal reaction.
Maybe playing fantasy football helps, since fantasy football scoring is essentially linear weights (just not accurate linear weights).
1) I agree that it’s simple to calculate. But understanding why it’s important isn’t as simple.
When I approach a client, if I need to present metrics about their business, I want each metric I provide to relate to something specifically that they can measure.
OPS doesn’t “measure” anything, aside from being a quick and dirty comparative metric.
I work in insurance and it would be similar to me giving a review of a company by comparing the claims handling process to the premium collecting process by subtracting the unearned premium ratio from the claims disposal ratio — I can quickly and easily determine whether the company is doing better or worse than average, but if I present it to someone curious about the business it’s worse than the original stats in that it hides information and brings up the question, “What’s the point of this statistic?”
I should restate that it’s not that OPS is confusing or difficult to calculate — but it’s difficult for people to understand WHY you want to calculate it. Why not just look at the normal slash line since it tells you more?
If it doesn’t add value and actually detracts from the original statistics, then it’s not a good statistic for the general public.
2) I love linear weights, I didn’t know about any of this type of stuff until the last two years or so. I took heavy econ & stat courses in college and am an actuary — I live and swear by regression analyses. I like wOBA as a stat and I can clearly understand it’s value; however, again — what does it mean? It stands for “weighted on-base average”, but I worry that the name is off-putting because it doesn’t tell you the expected number of times a player will reach base, so therefore, it is not clearly explained by it’s name.
It’s been restated to be comparable to OBP, but I think it would be better suited to being it’s own statistic with it’s own baseline that is understandable, rather than being standardized to a common stat and removing the underlying information that it provides.
Since the linear weights are calculating the contribution to the expected runs scored of each out, hit, walk, etc… why not call it a stat like “ERG”, Expeced Runs per Game, and restate it to the expected contribution to the runs scored over 9 innings by multiplying the underlying values by 4 (4 PAs per game)?
A batter that’s really bad, would take away runs (by making too many outs). An average batter might add a quarter of a run per game.
This could then be compared to a pitcher. Pitchers (ERA) allow so man y runs, on average, if pitching through a whole game. Why not give the batters the same type of thing. If a team’s 9 batters ERG adds up to be greater than the pitcher’s ERA — that’s a good chance to win, right?
Anyways, this has turned into a long post of mostly random thoughts..
"Why not just look at the normal slash line since it tells you more?"
If I remember correctly, I was reading along with a conversation between Bill James and Tom Tango when another reader asked BJ about OPS+ and BJ said he had never heard of it. Boiled down to he didn’t have any use for OPS and never followed it to any other conclusions because of exactly what you say there.
And I agree, but I still use OPS on occasion if it’s enough to make the point to someone who can’t understand anything beyond it.
2)
The restating of OPS was discussed quite a bit between two of us over in the Fanshots section. I understand why it was done, though I don’t know if it’s correct.
The question is if people are willing to learn what average of wOBA is on their own the way they have with batting average or if it’s easier for them to understand when it’s on the scale of another common stat. I personally would prefer it unscaled, but I honestly can’t say whether or not it’s more accessible scaled.
I'm actually going to say that's kind of a good point
OPS is good because it’s a quick and dirty to compare X to Y. But you’re right it doesn’t exactly represent one thing. Slugging tells you how many bases a guy gets per AB while OBP tells you how often a guy gets to first (and beyond) per AB. What does OPS exactly tell you?
But you can’t say OPS is a “pseudo stat.” It IS a statistic.
"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
Then he grounded out weakly to second.
I kind of always thought of Sciambi as annoying but not as stupid as other announcers.
I guess he might well be even smarter than I gave him credit for.
LOL
I just read that article from Sciambi. That stare they show Chipper giving Jon if F-ING HILARIOUS.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
OPS is too complicated?
My God our educational system must be worse off than I thought.
by Black Francis on Feb 25, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's the educational system
So much as it is the previous generations of baseball fans who have been indoctrinated by the media to think baseball should be viewed in the terms of grit, hustle and “good face” and any attempt to analyze it with mathematics that are not batting average, fielding percentage or RBI’s are an evil attempt by the geek-legions to suck the “mystique”, “fun” and “human element” out of the game.
For example, Joe Buck actually referred to OPS as a “new-fangled statistic” during the world series last year. Until the passive/aggressive ridicule of stats in the baseball media subsides (which might not happen until the current generation of baseball media finally fucking dies) you’re really not going to get very far in a quest to get mainstream fans to accept higher forms of statistical evaluations.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Why does it have to be an all or nothing proposition?
Should hustle, grit, and “good face” (whatever in the hell that means) just be ignored? How much better would Juan Gonzalez have been if he hadn’t turned into a lazy sack later in his career? Would Rusty Greer have been as good as he was if he had Gonzo’s hustle instead of his own? You talk about the average fans “ridiculing” higher statistics and then you do the same thing to their point of view (which probably isn’t nearly as dependent on hustle, etc. as you seem to believe). I think there’s plenty of ridicule on both sides of that argument, and while I tend to follow the more advanced stats, I haven’t quite arrived at the point where I scoff at the notion that hustle and grit are important player characteristics.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Um
How much better would Juan Gonzalez have been if he hadn’t turned into a lazy sack later in his career?
Probably quite a bit better. But that would have manifested himself in to his actual production. The problem is when a player like David Eckstein is overrated because he hustles more than Manny Ramirez. I don’t think anyone thinks Manny couldn’t be even better if he didn’t apply himself more.
Man, that last sentence is the double-negative-iest.
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by thedirkatron on Feb 26, 2010 5:24 AM CST up reply actions
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Should hustle, grit, and "good face" (whatever in the hell that means) just be ignored?
Those are abstract concepts that don’t really mean anything. They’re simply cliches that baseball writers or commentators use to make stories out of guys like David Eckstein, or to trumpet the virtues of someone they like, such as Michael Young.
Hustling and being gritty aren’t actually special skills, they’re something 99% of baseball players do on a daily basis in some shape or form, because that’s simply what playing baseball is. There are a few possible exceptions, such as Andruw Jones or Carlos Silva, but those guys are old, past their prime, terrible players whose problems extend far beyond being lazy.
At the end of the day all that really matters is production and whether or not a player can provide it. Whether or not Kinsler flips his bat after popups or Milton Bradley doesn’t kill himself running to first base every time he hits a grounder doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme, those guys are still good players you’d want on your team if you wanna win games. The baseball media however, might tell you they “don’t play the game the right way” which is just BS.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
So ...
Those are abstract concepts that don’t really mean anything. They’re simply cliches that baseball writers or commentators use to make stories out of guys like David Eckstein, or to trumpet the virtues of someone they like, such as Michael Young.
Hustle doesn’t really exist? Is that what you are saying? All players give equal effort all the time? Just like on the playstation?
At the end of the day all that really matters is production and whether or not a player can provide it. Whether or not Kinsler flips his bat after popups or Milton Bradley doesn’t kill himself running to first base every time he hits a grounder doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme, those guys are still good players you’d want on your team if you wanna win games. The baseball media however, might tell you they "don’t play the game the right way" which is just BS.
This is just flat wrong. Kirby Puckett used to run his ass off even when he hit it right back to the pitcher. As a result, the defender had to get rid of the ball a little quicker and occasionally made errors. In other cases, he beat the play. That is something that ultimately affects production. Whereas a Bradley who jogs up the line cause he hit it right to somebody pretty much guarantees that nothing good will happen for his team on the play. Again, this isn’t a video game, it’s real human beings. Some players flat out hustle others. Some guys with less than star abilities make the big leagues in no small part because of work ethic.
Now you obviously wouldn’t pick an Eckstein over a guy like Kinsler who is capable of putting up vastly superior numbers, but if you have two players that have historically put up similar numbers, the guy that busts his ass every play and “plays the right way” (again, whatever that bullshit slogan means) is ultimately going to be more valuable to his team. That tends to be dismissed by stat worshipers because you can’t put a number on it and if you can’t put a number on it, it must not be important. That is a foolish thinking in my opinion.
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by Athos on Feb 25, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying hustle doesn't exist
I’m saying I don’t think it has as much (if any) of a tangible affect on production as you’re trying to say. A speedy guy beating out a play due to an error isn’t really production, grit, or hustle. It’s luck, and/or incompetence on the part of the fielder. And that is not something you should be counting on to help you win baseball games.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
Baseball is a subtle game.
Nuances abound. I think we can all agree.
It seems you don’t think that speed and hustle impact the game significantly. I’ve been watching the Baseball series PM Productions put up(it has taken me this long to actually watch the series beginning to end. I don’t know why). In the first inning episode, the story of John McGraw applies to what I’m saying. He used to teach his team to pound the ball into the ground hoping for a big hop, and then use speed to beat out the throw. When Borbon was called up last year, he and Andrus wreacked havoc on the base paths altering the face of the team. Grit, hustle or speed impact the game. It just can’t be measured. Watching Manny get burned in the outfield and jog to the ball as the players round the bases pisses me off to no end. I understand it cannot be measured, but don’t say it isn’t important to the team or to the number of wins.
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It depends on your audience.
t’s hard to please a casual watcher who doesn’t know the acronyms or methodology of advanced sabermetrics at the same time that you’re trying to say something that Dave Cameron doesn’t already know.
You don’t always have to be saying something that Dave Cameron doesn’t always know because usually you’re not talking to Dave Cameron.
We need middle man who understand what the Camerons and Andersons are saying, but who knows how and what to relate to the ESPN crowd. I was actually hoping I could be that back in my BtB days, but I don’t know that I would have been any good at it.
Just now reading the Sciano article and I really liked this:
Well, it’s as much about eliminating certain stats from the lexicon as it is about adding them. We need to slowly erase the “noise.” Stop mentioning and graphically supporting with stats like RBI and wins because that stuff doesn’t make people smarter.
I think it’s even more about eliminating those stats. RBIs and Wins are so useless, there’s no reason to list them or talk about them at all. It’s about the ideas behind stats, what wOBA is trying to tell you, not actually understanding wOBA itself. I feel like a group of baseball fans that understands why they should just ignore RBIs is creating much more intelligent dialogues about baseball and that’s much easier to cultivate than people who can tell you the formula for wOBA.
Whaaaaaaaaaa?!
Joe Morgan may not be popular in these parts, but last year I worked a Tigers/Angels game with him in Anaheim. At one point, I mentioned UZR, UZR/150, and other defensive metrics. As we were going to commercial, Joe said that he’d like to talk about defensive metrics when we got back. What followed was a pretty straightforward, simple discussion about defensive metrics without disdain or dismissal on his part.
I want to hear this game.
Man this thread has been a blast to read through,
and to think ST starting was supposed to add substance. Ha!
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84 83 83 79
Bookmaker has released the opening win numbers for MLB. This is my first shot at mobile posting, so this might be better placed elsewhere.
http://vegaswatch.net/2010/02/2010-mlb-wins-overunders.html
LAA 84
SEA 83
TEX 83
OAK 78 or 79 I forgot already
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Feb 25, 2010 3:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I like...
LAA, Sea, and Tex all over. Oak Under.
by nathanbaum09 on Feb 25, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ill take the under on Seattle and the over on Texas.
Oakland and LA I’m not comfortable on one way or the other. If forced, I’ll take the under on Oakland and the over on LA.
Did anyone else notice one of the winners to the "Caption This"
for Kiker’s pic above on Yahoo?
Something to the effect of being able to find Dustin Pedroia all the way down there or some such…thought it was pretty funny.
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