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Around SBN: Are The Orioles Bad Or Unlucky With Their Young Pitching?

I know some folks here are fans of Johnson, and there was some talk about the Rangers potentially being interested in him this winter.

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Didnt they sign him up long term? like 4/40?

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Feb 9, 2010 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

yep

Right after the players association forced them to spend more money on payroll

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 9, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Which reminds of this:

Verlander: 3.78 FIP, 0.75 HR/9, 72.3 LOB%, 7.99 K/9, 116 ERA+ – 5 years $80MM
Felix Hernandez: 3.54 FIP, 0.57 HR/9, 74.4 LOB%, 8.06 K/9, 125 ERA+ – 5 years $78MM
Jon Lester: 3.78 FIP, 0.82 HR/9, 76.5 LOB%, 7.85 K/9, 128 ERA+ – 5 years $30MM (last yr)
J Johnson: 3.49 FIP, 0.67 HR/9, 74.8% LOB%, 7.95 K/9, 126 ERA+ – 4 years $40MM

Seems like JJ’s contract is in line, Lester is a damn bargain and Verlander and Felix are kinda hard to believe.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Feb 9, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Lesters only buys out 1 FA year which is why it seems like such a bargain

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 9, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh

Didn’t check Cots so I’ll take your word for it. Makes sense then.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Feb 9, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah Lester only has a little over 3 years of service time as of now

He had a little over 2 when he signed that contract so it bought out 1 pre arb year, his 3 arbitration years, and 1 FA year

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Feb 9, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

As a fan of a team with about 20 C pitching prospects

you have to like this line

This is another example of how Grade C pitching prospects at the lower levels can sometimes develop into something very interesting.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Feb 9, 2010 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

If you look at how Sickels grades prospects

that’s not too shocking. A lot of his C prospects are the type of players that can turn into something great or never make it past AA.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Feb 9, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Grade C pitchers

It would be interesting to go back and look at Sickels’ grades and see how many grade C pitchers never sniffed the majors, how many had short mlb stints, how many had solid careers and how many became stars. His recent look back at his top 50 pitchers from 2005 showed just how hit-or-miss even highly rated prospects are. Grade C pitching prospects would have what, a 5-10% chance of having a solid major league career I would imagine? Maybe less?

by nortorious on Feb 9, 2010 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

someone

over at the crawford boxes was comparing Bud Norris to Johnson….i almost fell off the couch

by kmoneytime on Feb 9, 2010 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

That sounds about as fail...

…as most (all?) Houston sports talk radio on baseball.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

best way

to fall asleep while driving..i hated myself for losing my ipod when I had to listen to houston sports talk for a week…

by kmoneytime on Feb 10, 2010 6:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Yet

it’s no worse than DFW sports talk radio on baseball:) Sports talk radio in general is pretty ridiculous if they take callers, because most callers are ridiculous.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Feb 10, 2010 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

When we gonna get sum pitchin' up in heere?

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by WestTxAg06 on Feb 10, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

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