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BTB on disabled list dollars, and ugly Rangers records

Over at Beyond the Box Score, they have a post up that looks at the teams that have been the best, and the worst, in terms of dollars lost to d.l. time on a year-to-year basis since 2002. 

It is an interesting list, and I wasn't surprised to see that the 2002 Rangers were 12th in dollars on the disabled list during this time period, with a little over $27 million in salaries to guys who were sidelined.  This was, after all, a team that had several high-priced guys who spring to mind immediately who missed time (the Ho, Juan Gonzalez, Pudge Rodriguez), and it was a major disappointment.

However...what I didn't expect was to see the 2004 Rangers on the list.  They lost a shade over $26 million to time on the disabled list, which ranks them 16th overall since 2002...but worse yet, because team payroll was only $55 million, their percentage of payroll lost to disabled list time was a whopping 47.3%.  It was the second-worst percentage of any team during the 2002-09 period, edged out only by the 2003 Indians, and only four other teams besides the '04 Rangers and '03 Indians were above 40%.

But my immediate reaction was...that can't be right, can it?  That was the year the Rangers won a bunch of games for the first (and last) time in a while, and while I know there were some injuries, it wasn't that bad, was it?

Well, I'd obviously forgotten how much dead salary was on the books that year.  I looked at the transactions for the Rangers in 2004, and the problems jumped out at me.

Take Rusty Greer, for example.  He was on the 60 day d.l. all season.  And he was paid $7.4 million.

And Jeff Zimmerman.  He was also on the 60 day d.l. all season.  He was paid $4.467 million.

There was Chan Ho Park, who missed about half the season to the d.l.  He was paid $14 million -- half of that is $7 million.

So right there, you have almost $19 million devoted to three players for their time on the disabled list, on a team with a $55 million payroll.

Then there were other guys I had forgotten about...Jay Powell, for example.  He missed most of the year, and made $3.5 million.

Jeff Nelson missed about half the season.  He was at $1.8 million.

Herb Perry missed a good chunk of the season, and was making $1.7 million.

Brian Jordan missed about two months, at $1.25 million for the year.

Good grief.  What a waste of money.

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Showalter

Say what you will about the guy, and I was never really a fan of his, but it was amazing that he was able to hold the team together that season and win as many games as they did.

Not mediocre. Right about average

by trza on Mar 1, 2010 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

For guys that never played, or spent a significant amount of time on the DL

Doesn’t insurance cover part/all of their salaries?

I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010

by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 1, 2010 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

If a policy was taken out on them

Chan Ho had a policy but I doubt guys like Jay Powell and Herb Perry and Jeff nelson had policies taken out on them

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 1, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

policy or no

it’s still a huge hit to have that much percentage of the higher priced (and thus higher expectations) miss the year

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 1, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

OT:

Just thought this was cool.

by cmkelly29 on Mar 1, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

Could they not fit 'Son of Judeska and Chesmond' on there?

I mean, we get Saltalamacchia on the back of one of those

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

by Keynes on Mar 1, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 1, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: Opening Day Tickets,

does anyone know the best way to get tickets for opening day

Currently, the only option I can find on the presale is $20 for upper, upper, grand reserve

Does anyone have some inside knowledge on whether stubhub or scalping is a better means or getting tickets – we need around 8?

by BuckyB on Mar 1, 2010 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

If you can get them...

get them… unless you want to pay for them at stub hub or ebay.

by JShoe on Mar 1, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year got opening day tickets off of stubhub

or perhaps tadfw.com. It’ll cost but it’ll work.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Mar 1, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

You boys do the same thing with JD and the shades in here.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 1, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

One difference

JD didn’t do a commercial where he proclaimed his own greatness. Hart not only did that, but when all those moves he so smugly touted blew up in his face, he spent the rest of his tenure hiding from the press and the fans.

"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"

-- Sterling Archer

by RCCook on Mar 1, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, and JD is not only extremely open with the

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

by WestTxAg06 on Mar 1, 2010 5:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yup, and JD is not only extremely open with the fans, he readily admits that mistakes were made early on

"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217

by WestTxAg06 on Mar 1, 2010 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

x

Who gives a shit what Josey says.............................

by Lil' Jonny Donuts on Mar 1, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

a young shawn white?

"Josey drives to games???
I always assumed he rides in on his high horse"
jam0152

Martin Perez, "Mucho queso"

by RangersSD on Mar 1, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

dirkatron's

illegitimate son?

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Mar 1, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

that was dirkatron’s Kindergarten pic.

Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.

by t ball on Mar 1, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah...

his tongue isn’t sticking out.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 2, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

not really

a lot of those injured guys didn’t really contribute at all.

Incidentally, I remember repeatedly asking “why is Brian Jordan getting at bats” after he went 0-8 to start the season on the old ESPN Boards. A lot of the old posters (Adam, probably Chris Martin) responded, “because he’s still pretty good.”

Turns out we were both wrong. Brian Jordan was decent in LA and 3 games coming off injury wasn’t enough to proclaim him anything but man did he suck a nut that year.

by ab03 on Mar 1, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course those guys didn't contribute

Obviously there are going to be sunk costs with any team, but if money hadn’t been tied up in the guys listed above, ostensibly we would have been able to spend more money on guys who could have contributed.

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by rlb02a on Mar 1, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point - we should just ask guys before signing them if they'

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Mar 1, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

they're going to get injured

No so funny now in a two part post.

"You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.

Then he grounded out weakly to second.

by WyoRanger on Mar 1, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I actually remember that conversation. I was on your side.

Damn.

by philkid3 on Mar 1, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Chan Ho

I thought the year that the Ho was on the DL as one of those “he sucks, so we will just call it an ‘injury’ and stash him on the DL” situations? Because wasn’t he doing like a 6 week “rehab” assignment in AAA?

by FuturePants on Mar 1, 2010 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

OT: abnormal ekg

has anyone here had one…and if so, what was the ’cause and what do they do for it?

"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM

by Longhorn on Mar 1, 2010 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Depends how it's abnormal.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Mar 1, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you EGS.

Now, go DIAF.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 1, 2010 5:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

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