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Man, since when did Torii Hunter come up with all of these Hot Sports Opinions?
Pump the brakes, tiger. It’s a long season.
"Don’t want to spend my night waiting in line unless it’s for more beer."
--EssBee, on LoneStarBall, Jan. 21, 2010
“They’re not us. They’re impostors.
i was unaware that the DR was not located in southside of chicago.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
My mammi always told me that sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions
or as Bambi's mom used to say...
“If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all”
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 10, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
The full quote was actually worse than I expected
Fanatics - my webcomic
by DShep on Mar 10, 2010 10:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
yea i didnt think it could get worse
until i actually read it.
w.o.w.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
umm
blacks from south and central america are also african american. they are mostly descended from slaves as well. oh…you mean black no longer a skin color, it’s used to describe african US americans? ok
i guess blacks in central and south americans have it easier as well. because there is no racism in latin counties.
as far as them making less than “black” players…once they hit free agency they make just as much if not more. if you are better than player “A” then you don’t have to worry about anything.
Um
How about the fact that black players make less in the draft then the fake black players who get bonuses at 16?
Nothing about his money scenario is correct
Or the fact that not enough "real" black players are interested in baseball at a young age
Hence the whole MLB push to bring back baseball to the inner cities.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
RBI program
IIRC
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
he probably complains
that obama is only half black and there still hasn’t been a “real” black president
by gossamer on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I complain that Obama is only half white and should get paid less
I really don’t like to talk about politics here if I can.
You do this every time
You make what you think is a casual reference to politics and someone inevitably responds to only the political part of your comment and we have the “unexpected” political discussion. Do you realize how many times that has happened because of you?
this wasn't political
the controversial statement is more political.
yes i mentioned a politician. but that politician is also the president and fits into the discussion. the president is a political figure, but the office transcends (or is supposed to) politics. had i mentioned health care, war, taxes etc… i would see your point. but i didn’t. you are the one that is politicizing it. i haven’t had a political “discussion” in a long long long time. look it my post history and prove me wrong (do i REALLY “do it everytime”?). at least i haven’t started one in probably several months. you probably have me confused with somebody else.
i will leave it at that.
i stand corrected
i remember a few weeks ago somebody posting that george will should be commish. i said he was too radical politically. then somebody prompted me to explain. other than that though…
rec
greatness.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
someone needs to make gossmers comment into a sign
when the angels are in arlington
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Is that a quote?
Cause “blacks” don’t have it worse in Central and South America (except for the Caribbean). I can assure you, there’s still segregationalist towns down there. How many black Mexican people have you met?
I think it was in 2001 when Chile had their first black player on their national soccer team.
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
my sarcasm meter
stops working after midnight. my bad
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
I can't tell that he has one by that statement
"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09
That was so amazing
So wrong on so many levels – and he just pissed off the most talented group of players in the game.
Well fear not, Mr. hunter, there’s a groups of real black players coming to save the sport. Jason Heyward, Torri Hunter needs you immediately.
They are impostors because their autographs don't look as good as native-born American players like Torii's
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
hizzzzeh.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 10, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Torii Hunter = a Reporter's wet dream
with all these quotes he’s been giving lately
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
So just as a clarification,
It’s all part of the same USA Today piece. This is like another part in a 5 part series. This might be the start of something great but it also might be that those USA Today guys are brilliant
What a tool...
Torii is climbing the douche-ladder extremely fast.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Me too, Carl's quotes were just psychotically awesome
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
See
Rojas is a pretty straight-talking dude. No doubt Victor is going to recall and label these statements as idiotic at some point during the season. And what kinda effed-up rant is Rev gonna launch when that happens? tick tick tick
I think Torii was misquoted as part of MLB's conspiracy to make the Rangers look good in a major media market at the expense of the rest of the AL West
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Hunter
Well, at least his kid will have something else to be embarrassed about instead of his dad nearly signing with the Rangers.
Wonder how Ervin Santana and Erick Aybar feel about those comments?
"Jesus, Spanish- our jobs aren't enough, now you want our words?"
-- Sterling Archer
and Kendry Morales and Fernando Rodney
Wasn’t there another player a year or two ago that expressed similar sentiment as this? I wonder if this is a prevalent thought amongst ball players.
by GregoryM on Mar 10, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I meant
how prevalent this thought is not if it is prevalent.
by GregoryM on Mar 10, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
This will go over well in Southern California
And I hope it lights a big of fire under Vlad, who he called out.
Go Rice Owls!
Since brawls are a not-so unusual thing between the teams, I'm looking for Vlad to take him out in the next brawl
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
None of the Angels' pitchers have the balls to trigger a brawl.
by TooLegitToQuit on Mar 10, 2010 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We can let Feldmania start it again
Since he’s moved from a sidearm to a regular throwing motion, hopefully his slap-punch has improved.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
feldman, FTW
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That picture should go down in Texas Rangers lore
Plus, it’s a metaphor for what we’re about to do to the Angels in the AL West standings for the next decade.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
I actually like the people coming up to him asking "What color is Vlad?"
Does that really happen? Are they then upset with the answer?
Happens all the time
When I met Ian Kinsler at the Newberg book release he said “good to meet you” and I said “hey, thanks. What color is Nelson Cruz?”
"Most of Jesus’s parables were economic parables, and they were free-market parables." -- Andrew Schlafly
he bleeds Ranger Red if it makes any difference...
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
If their was a King Douche
Rev would easily wear the crown…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
*there*
embarassing typo
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
you mean he doesnt
i was always under the impression he was the undefeated champion of that event
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
the biggest idiot on SB nation?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
At least
the biggest idiot running one of the blogs on SB Nation
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
As much as I enjoy Rev bashing...
…you do realize it wasn’t him that made the poll right?
by LiamP on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you're a co-blogger with Rev, I think his stupidity and d-bagger should be imputed to you
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Jesus, what's next
Players like Guy Edmonds are going to be impersonating whites pretty soon. When will it end?!
Reminds me of a great Onion article
where all the whites were mad they couldn’t break into the Negro Leagues.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
this lead me to a google search
Nostalgia Prompts Return Of Negro Baseball Leagues
Negro Leagues Hall Of Fame Indicts Ty Cobb
sadly i was unable to find the mentioned article. :(
…if only
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
It was in
Our Great Century. We had to buy the book for a Satire Literature class in college.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
interesting
too bad its not online :(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Don't people already do that?
I have heard a similar argument with what Torii Hunter is making when it is applied to basketball that there are no “white” players. For example, one person will bring up Dirk Nowitzki and the other person will say that he isn’t “white” but rather he is German.
by GregoryM on Mar 10, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I've never heard someone not consider Dirk white
but there has been much discussion over the last few years about the lack of American-born white players in the NBA.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
I see it when people claim that NBA GMs are biased...
I was watching a college basketball game on ESPN 360 and ESPN had a halftime segment with some white PG who played at Notre Dame a few years ago who was claiming that he wasn’t in the NBA because he was white and from the US. For the numbers and graphs and such they used in the segment, players were split into three categories: black, white, and “European.” And from there they went on to talk about stuff like how few white American NBA All Star starters there have been recently (nevermind that that’s voted on by fans, not GMs).
I didn’t buy the guy’s claims at all. He said if he had entered the draft as a European player with an identical skill set he would’ve been drafted higher. Possibly, but is European guys being drafted higher the result of bias or is it a result of them tending to be younger than 4-year college guys, and scouts having seen less of them? Cause both of those things make them higher risk-reward guys, and I don’t think it’s surprising when a younger guy is drafted ahead of a 4-year college player who’s seen as probably nearer his ceiling.
It was particularly ridiculous considering that Steve Nash—born in Canada, played at a college program in the US—was in the “European” category instead of the “white” category.
Torii Hunter, Jr. on his dad playing for the Rangers...
“I don’t want you to be here if they’re going to lose. If you’re here and we lose, kids are going to make fun of me in school.”
uhhhh…sounds like there’s more of a threat of kids making fun of you because your dad is a moron…
"I've had a lot of experience with semantics, so don't try to lure me into some maze of circular logic."
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions
HOLY F@#$
The loudest thunder out of nowhere just happened. I nearly fell out of my chair it was so damn loud! go away mother nature, I’ve got work to do.
and the hail is falling.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
I don't know which is worse...
This, or Dan Rather saying Obama couldn’t sell watermelons if you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic.
Maybe
Rather just thinks Obama isn’t a good salesman. Big Tom could sell ketchup popsicles to a woman in white gloves.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
And I can get a good look at a t-bone if I stick my head up a butcher's ass...
…wait, but it has to be your bull.
by Mike the Grate on Mar 10, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
This
is waaay worse. Dan Rather’s was just an unfortunate word choice
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Almost makes me wish we still had that crazy Venezuelan plunking people whenever he felt like it
But not quite.
meta-signature
And that Nicaraguan plays for the Dodgers
He could have 2 interleague opportunities to face Torii, not to mention spring training.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
meh
I’m trying to think who would really get mad at him for that comment. I would think it would be a Latin American guy who would be upset that Torii didn’t think of him as african american. I would assume that Latin Americans would just like to be thought of as Latin Americans. I just don’t see how a Latin American player could manufacture uproar about it.
Maybe Vlad or other teammates because he kind of throws them under the bus.
Sort of like how I can't tell the Chinese from the Koreans from the Japanese
but they sure know the difference and a lot of those groups hate each other.
It thought maybe you meant good old U times 2.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'm naive but in this era
of trying to exploit as many market inefficiencies as a FO can, I can’t imagine that anybody looks at the color of skin or worries about somebody being from the DR or being black.
What they (MLB FO’s) are doing now is what they should have doing 60 years ago…they’re giving the best players opportunities regardless of their skin color. The kids from the DR play year-round throughout their childhood which is why they’re the best.
I was at a high school game this week between two pretty good teams from areas that are known melting pots (lots of blacks, hispanics, whites and others).
There were two black kids playing in the game.
For whatever reason (not that they can’t play because the two I saw were two of the better kids on the field) and it’s not prejudice, you just don’t see that many black kids playing the Great Game.
It sucks but it is just the way it is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
A bunch
in our area play when they are younger but end up quitting to play the now available year round football or AAU basketball. A lot of them would like to continue playing, but can’t based on either lack of time or lack of money. The specialization of athletes these days at a very young age is frightening to me.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Some kids can pull off the football/baseball combo in high school but it's not easy.
Select baseball starts to get really serious (75+ games per year) by the time they’re 10 years old. So much of learning to play baseball at the higher levels as you get older is that you need to know how to handle failure which ends up tripping most kids and sends them back to football.
It’s hard to accurately describe the level of play for 12, 13, 14 year olds these days but it’s simply amazing. The quality is so much higher than it was 20-30 years ago.
I don’t know how much of a factor economics play in this but I imagine it’s fairly significant. It also probably seems easier for inner-city kids to get full ride playing hoops or football than baseball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 10, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Full rides in college baseball don't exist
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
And you're right that the whole "select" system has just changed the nature of the sports immensely from how it was in the "old days"
The economics is also important from a facilities standpoint. There are many more places to put a basketball hoop in the inner city than a baseball diamond. And the kids just need one ball between them to play, not balls, bats, and a glover for everyone.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
And unless you are truly gifted...
you need your parents to pay for hitting or pitching lessons to go along with what it costs to pay for your select team, your $ 300 bat and what it costs to travel as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I don't entirely know how I feel about the "new" way of doing things
I suppose it’s producing better ballplayers and, thus, a better product on the field for all of us, but it seems like we’ve lost something along the way.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
I was a little bit of a nut
but I would have loved that schedule or playing that many games.
Our typical LL season was 12-15 games although we’d practice from mid April thru early July and there was no fall baseball.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 10, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I would definitely love it from the standpoint of more games, because LL was never long enough for me either and we played in our front yards non-stop
But I’m not much of an athlete, either. I’d be one of the geeks “left behind” in Little League while the good players were swept away to select leagues.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
They would sweep you away
to sit on the end of the bench as long as you were willing to pay the fee…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Very true...partials.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 10, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
I was going to say at best, you may get 50% if you are a stud. You are still paying 50% out of pocket.
Agree on select baseball. Those kids go from Memorial Day to Labor Day playing almost everyday of the summer. If you aren’t fully committed to playing baseball, you will get weeded out in a hurry.
Sadly, the economics of it is because of the high number of people who have figured out they can make a pretty penny exploiting kids and their want or need to get a scholarship. While they might say they are in it for the kids, they are also in it for the money. I knew a guy who didn’t coach H.S. baseball because he could make twice as much running his own select team instead of getting the coaching stipend.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
This is the baseball schedule during the year for a 12 year old who plays
select baseball and football/basketball for his middle school.
Baseball gets going in mid-August and goes thru the first week of November (teams usually get in 25-30 games depending on the weather). Typically, by January 10 the kid’s baseball team starts working out and getting ready for the season which will begin in late February and go thru late July. Those seasons usually last 70-75 games. Yes, I know they’re 12 years old. So you get a month off in the summer (mid July to mid August) and two months off in the winter. That’s what you do if you wanna stay up with the best players in the area.
Middle school football gets going at Labor Day and goes thru November 12 or so.
Middle school basketball starts a week later and goes to the end of February.
Not too much downtime but that’s the way it is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)
by Josey Wales on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
the high number of people who have figured out they can make a pretty penny exploiting kids and their want or need to get a scholarship
this makes me think of one specific person who runs a select program based in dallas (well, plano but they go by the dallas name)…and if anyone has had any interaction with him, i guarantee you that they know who i am talking about
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
it’s ridiculous some of the stories this guy told me. He talked about you find some studs and charge them half price and then you find some slaps to fill the end of your roster and charge them double. If you scout the right parts of town, you can find tons of kids willing to pony up any amount of money to play on a “select” team.
The other scam is to have multiple teams under your little team name. They might say come play for my team, but you might be on the 4th best team taht guy runs in that age group.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
did he tell you the team name?
if so, does it share a team name with a NFL team?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't remember
He’s not the only one that operates that way. It’s pretty widespread.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'll say it
Are you referring to the Dallas Patroits? I could see that…they take that shit serious.
by Anonymous New Guy on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
yea the patriots
theres PLENTY of stories out there about them if one looks
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
The Arlington A's
were one of the first that I remember with multiple teams at each age group. Guys would sign up to play for the A’s and end up playing on the slap team that no one cared about but still pay full price.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
this is what the problem with the system is
in general
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
That's why Freakanomics said...
…there are so few modern major leaguers born in June…
The age group cutoffs are at July 1, which means that the June kids are basically a year younger than the July and August kids, are behind them developmentally, aren’t selected for the select teams, don’t get the high level work, etc.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
That is also
a Gladwell argument in Outliers, but he uses hockey players in Canada.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Mar 10, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Wait, you're right
It was Outliers, not Freakanomics.
And yeah, the hockey players were the main part of the piece, but he also touched on the same phenomenon with U.S. baseball players.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 10, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
That's true
It’s the same with soccer. For whatever reason, black kids seem more drawn to football and basketball than soccer and baseball.
Not mediocre. Right about average
No le gusta Tori Hunter
"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST
That sounds like a job for the likes of GhostofErikThompson
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
where does Ichiro fit in?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
imposter black
isnt he from the DR?
/torii
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
There's...
Black
Harlem Globetrotter
Imposter Black
Black Irish
Caucasian
White Chocolate
White Russian
Mexican
Tex-Mexican
Middle Eastern
Indian 1
Indian 2
Asian
Caublasian
by ghostofErikThompson on Mar 10, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Indian 1 and 2
can also be found under “indian with feather” and “indian with dot on forehead”, right?
"Jurick Profar is tired of practice!! I wanna play I wanna play….waiting for march 12 to go to spring training! to kill some pichers:D:D I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!" - Jurickson Profar
If you want...
Torii Hunter to think you’re a racist, then yes.
by ghostofErikThompson on Mar 11, 2010 6:16 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's me
However, I’m not terribly concerned with Torii Hunter’s view as it reflects of himself. I’m not ready to call Hunter an overt racist; I actually believe it might not be fully his fault. Torii and other US-born black athletes are being told they are being oppressed their entire lives. That seed has already been planted. I’m not surprised an idea such as this, that latinos are not black and are imposters, can be generated by an organization such as the NAACP and pushed upon the US-born black athletes of today. As Craig Calcaterra pointed out, CC Sabathia made a similar comment last year. It has to be hard for them to see the evidence and hear the arguments, factual or not, and not begin to believe in it.
I’m more concerned with the comments about money. That Hunter doesn’t understand that US-born black athletes are in a less favorable position financially than foreign-born players is surprising. He clearly is very out of touch with today’s baseball economics.
I don't know about this being an idea that's being "pushed"
I’d think if there was a somewhat-concerted effort to convince US-born black baseball players they were oppressed, then one of the first things they’d be made aware of was the money situation w.r.t. the draft vs foreign players. So I’d guess that this is something he arrived at mostly on his own.
Article
Read this article by Craig Calcaterra
This is a great take on the situation. Calcaterra also mentions Sabathia saying nearly the same thing a year ago. I’m not saying it is without a doubt being pushed, the word pushed might be an overstatement, however it does appear to be plausible.
Yeah, it's definitely plausible,
And conceptually it’s not a big leap to go from “we should try to get more blacks involved in baseball” to “we should have fewer Dominicans taking baseball positions from blacks,” I just think in Hunter’s case, at least, he made that jump on his own, based on his money comments.
I know that if I were a top-level American-born baseball player I’d be pretty annoyed at having to go through the draft when foreign players don’t, since it probably would’ve cost me a nice chunk of guaranteed money, not to mention more control over which team I ended up with.
I think the “people assume that they’re black” angle is interesting, although I don’t think there’s really much to it. The terminology gets pretty confusing (personally, I’d consider Vlad to be black but not African American), but I think I know what Sabathia and Hunter meant. And I don’t agree that there’s any sort of underhandness or bias that goes into trying to “replace” black American players with players from Latin America, but I can see how/why they’d come to that conclusion. People have a hard time keeping correlation and causation separate, and also don’t really get the finer points of statistics (e.g., that “expected value” doesn’t quite mean “the value you should get.”) You hear simlar things to the Sabathia/Hunter quotes from white American basketball players (though I don’t think I’ve heard it from actual NBA players, just those who didn’t make it and are bitter and think they would’ve had a better shot it if they were from Europe or somewhere), and I don’t buy it there either.
i wonder
1) how prevalent the first name of “Vladimir” is among African-Americans (i would assume even less than among Dominicans)
2) how prevalent the last name of “Guerrero” is among African Americans vs among Dominicans.
obviously im many situations you cant go off of the last name but when you consider baseball i would assume seeing the name “Vladimir Guerrero” one would automatically think “hey, this guy is probably Hispanic and from the Caribbean!” as opposed to “hey, this guy is probably black and from the south side of Chicago!”
and 3) i wonder if anyone actually even asked him that question…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
He must just miss Chone Figgins.
That or he’s been hanging around Milton Bradley too much during the offseason…
Didn't Hunter makes some statement a few years ago
about everyone (white players included) wearing the 42 jersey in honor of Jackie, and how only black players should be allowed to do that?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
that may have been the CC quote
cant remember
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I like Torii Hunter
And I respect his position that he would like to see the share of African Americans increase, but this was the wrong way to frame it. It’s more or less analogous to people who claim that immigrants are taking their jobs in this country. It’s just not the case. The fact that Vad and other dark-skinned Latin guys played for the Angels had no impact on the huge contract that he got from them, nor on the huge contract that Gary Matthews Jr. got from them. I just think this is a really weak argument, in addition to the offensive nature of it.
Not mediocre. Right about average
Sounds like Torii also thinks latin players can't sign their names as well as black players
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Can he even call himself an African-American?
Was he actually born in Africa and immigrated over here? I don’t call myself an English-American or a French-American, I think it’s time the African-American moniker is dropped and we just refer to everyone born here as American.
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
by sunlegend54 on Mar 10, 2010 1:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn, that's racist
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
i think it would help to quell racism
we still use monikers to distinguish race, i think if everyone was simply American, then it would start mattering less what color they were
You hear about the "Electric Arms", they're all the rage.
"If the Rangers have marked improvement in 2010, I'm going to need to give JD credit." Josey Wales, Feb. 10, 2010 11:45 AM CST
in part i agree with this
at least the
“we just refer to everyone born here as American.”part
but thats how i have felt for a long time. if you live and were born in american, your american. who gives a good damn what should come before american (unless your legit native american that is…lol)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
This just in!
Torii Hunter is upset with the way he’s portrayed in the article.
From the link:
“I’m not apologizing because I didn’t say anything like that,” Hunter said before Wednesday’s exhibition game against Cincinnati. “I’m [ticked] right now. I’m upset. And people wonder why athletes don’t talk to the media that much. It’s stupid.”
ya know
if it was one sentence in an article on some blog, that may be different.
but its not. its on NBc sports. and its not by some schmuck who no one has heard of ever before its by craig calcaterra…
im interested to see the rest of the article.
also, if he didnt say anything at all like that, lets hear what he did say…because i tell you what if i said anything that was different than that id sure as hell say what i DID say…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 10, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that's a pretty good way to put it
"Big whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Mar 10, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Torri Hunter
Officially the biggest douche on the Angels.
Somebody had to step up and replace John Lackey, I guess.
Morality you can fake. Fun you either have or you don't.
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