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by coolaid on Mar 10, 2010 9:13 PM CST
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This team
Has a maddening habit of playing down to the competition and keeping games interesting… but they always pull it out. Tonight is a perfect microcosm of that… down 18 to an awful team, but now they’re back in front by 6 and should coast to an easy win.
It’s weird for me to say, as a MEGA stats geek, but Hollinger’s system doesn’t apply to this team. Their mentality and nature sort of overrides the methodology of his point-differential equation.
As I recall
The last time the Mavs were inexplicably “too low” on Hollinger’s rankings was the year they were ousted in the first round of the playoffs after winning 67 games.
by MarkInDallas on Mar 11, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
the mavs could have beaten a lot of teams that year
just not don nelson and a really hot golden state. and they’ve been too low on Hollinger’s rankings every year. Hollinger had them much lower last year as well – didn’t have them as favorites to beat SA
GO MAVS!
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
C'mon, even God rested one day out of seven.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Does 16 pts not dazzle your ass?
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Zone defense
has been amazingly effective when used by Carlisle especially during this streak.
"There's not a man alive who can whup me. I'm too fast. I'm too smart. I'm too pretty. I should be a postage stamp. That's the only way I'll ever get licked." --Muhammad Ali
Thought that same thing tonight
The defense, of all things, caught my eye tonight. Granted, it was the Nets, but still, solid play from the zone.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher
by Suicide Prince on Mar 11, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Just joined the game...
Did Kiki Vandeweghe get his standard greeting from the Dallas fans?
"I've had a lot of experience with semantics, so don't try to lure me into some maze of circular logic."
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Mar 10, 2010 9:22 PM CST reply actions
The GREAT Dirk will not let this team lose not tonight!
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Not yet he's not.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
there's 1:30 left
and he is 3-12 and butler and kidd are hot. I’m thinking he’s just going to pass out of the double team if he gets the ball now
Yeah probably so...
Kidd has had a great game.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
I'm big for my age?
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
whatever he says, every other word will be "obviously"
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
"Baseball's all that's real" - JB
by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 11, 2010 3:36 AM CST up reply actions
This team right now
Has the feel of the ’07 team, were I absolutely expected a win every single night.
That was a great season.
by brettgardner on Mar 10, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
So I turned on the game and saw 11-1 Nets and almost shit myself....
glad to see they turned it around, but man they are playing these shitty teams close lately.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Devin Harris is really doing his best
to stick it to the Mavs.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
What the hell shot was that. C'mon Haywood, get this...
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
YES!
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Amen. Welcome back Haywood. We missed you.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
This game is over
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Not being able to put away teams is a bit concerning
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Meh.
I mean it is, but with such a depleted roster, I can’t be too upset about it right now.
by brettgardner on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
We played well against the Bulls and Minny with a depleted roster and won
I thought those were both impressive wins.
Tonight we played like crap, and won, which is also encouraging. The Nets did go into Boston and beat them last week… but Boston is playing like shit right now, got killed at home by Memphis tonight.
Boston is absolutely done
They’ll get bounced in the 1st round.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Scott Skiles is good at what he does
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
It was the first game back with Haywood and Damp.
Just getting back into the groove.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
The Mavericks made a terrific trade when they acquired Brendan Haywood, Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson from the Wizards. Mark Cuban revealed last night that he thought about all scenarios around the trade deadline, including “tearing down” his team and dealing everyone but Dirk Nowitzki.
“I had to go over every possible scenario (in the shower),” Cuban told The Dallas Morning News. “That’s why I paid for a good water heater.”
You'd think with his money he would have a tankless water heater system.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
I had one of those in a house in Waco
Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Never had a problem with hot water.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 11, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I hear they are the bees knees.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
i really dont think
he will ever trade dirk
…ever.
and im ok with that.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 11, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm rather a fan of Dirk myself.
Went and saw him in Charlotte a few weeks back in REALLY good seats. Like 8 rows up behind the Dallas bench, plus they were fucking free. (My cousin-in-law is a regional buyer for a huge chain of c-stores and so the beer vendors are practically throwing awesome tix like this at him all the time.)
So close to Dirk.
I wanted to glop in my hand and throw it at him to let him now how I felt, but I thought that might’ve been too much.
Instead I just shouted Ich Bin Ein Dirk Nowitzki!!! every time he did something.
BTW, Bobcats fans are THE WORST. They mailed it in harder than I’ve ever seen fans mail it in in my life. Arrive late, leave early, talk on you cell phone the whole time. Suckass sucksters barely even cheered when it was looking like the Cats might be able to pull it off near the end.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Mar 14, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
x
I wanted to glop in my hand and throw it at him to let him now how I felt,
Okay, Miggs.
by Adam J. Morris on Mar 14, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
BTW, Bobcats fans are THE WORST. They mailed it in harder than I’ve ever seen fans mail it in in my life. Arrive late, leave early, talk on you cell phone the whole time
…sounds like nationals fans in DC
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never seen that dude write on there before
but, yeah, that’s pretty lame.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 11, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
An answer to Hollinger
I don’t check the site much but 82games.com I noticed has updated stats for 2009-2010. The best thing they have is the 5 man unit numbers. Look at Dallas’ 5 man units.
They don’t have the sortable stats for the league up yet but just looking at the usual suspects, that Haywood-Marion-Dirk-Butler-Kidd lineup seems to be the best in the west. The caveat is that that team hasn’t played a lot of great competition but still. There are a couple of CLE and ORL lineups that blow that Mavs lineup out of the water so it’s not like I’m saying the Mavs are the best in the league or anything. (Interestingly enough, it looks like CLE plays a lot of bad lineups a lot more often because they prefer O’Neal over Ilgauskas, generally. ORL is stacked top to bottom).
But this is a very simple answer to Hollinger analysis that looks at point differential in a vaccum to predict playoff success. Yes, the Mavs give up points in the middle of the game but in the 4th quarter and more so in the playoffs when teams put their best lineups on the floor, the Mavs have a pretty good one and can put a game away
That's good stuff, thanks
I don’t really fault Hollinger for sticking by his formula, but what I don’t like is his attitude of not admitting that there can be explained outliers or flaws. He was on ESPN radio yesterday and basically scoffed at the notion that the post-trade mavs were significantly better than pre-trade.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 12, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
He is convinced that josh howard was a wash with caron butler
although i’m not sure how he dismisses haywood outright.
Yeah he said that same stuff on the radio
Said it’s shocking to him that so many people consider Butler an upgrade. Laughable. He completely ignored Haywood like you said.
Then he said the Bucks getting Salmons and the Cavs getting Jamison were better trade-deadline moves.
Another thing that bugs me about his discounting of the win streak is he says it’s not that impressive point-differential wise against weak competitions. But, that doesn’t factor in that Damp has been out basically the entire run. Caron sat out vs the Lakers and they still won. Terry has now been out a while. Kidd sat a game too. I mean, they’ve been winning games with Barea and Najera getting major minutes.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 12, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
His latest article basically says
that he would take every team ahead of the mavs in a 7 game series against the Mavs except the Spurs and Celtics. I kind of want the Blazers matchup just so the Mavs can disprove him early. Here’s what Hollinger says:
Would I take Dallas to beat them in a series?
No. Not even with home-court advantage, which could prove interesting because they may face each other as the No. 2 and No. 7 seeds in the West. Portland beat the Mavs twice in Dallas already, once without Brandon Roy and twice with Juwan Howard manning the middle. The Blazers arguably also made more impactful deadline additions than the Mavs by trading for Marcus Camby and bringing Nicolas Batum back from injury. The state of Roy’s hamstring is a lingering worry, but that would be the only reason to shift my choice to Dallas. The two sides will meet in Portland on March 25 and again on April 9.
Mind you, he discounts a Mavs win against Denver because it was only a 1 point win but is counting a Blazers win of 4 points and an OT win of 1 point. Fine. But does he really think a Blazers lineup can hang with the Mavs?
The fact that he would take the Bucks in a 7-game series at a neutral site...
citing the Bucks rejuvenation since the deadline, is all I know need to know. It’s just silly. I just hope we make this blow up in his face.
Just reading that excerpt where he says he takes Portland over Dallas in Dallas is a joke.
The Mavs are beastly when it come to playoffs and home court.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
The Denver win
No Billups that night…
I’m looking forward to the rematch. That and Portland are the only credible tests for Dallas this month.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Mar 12, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
DB.com's take on it
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=2722
I have to agree here, even though Fisher is douchey.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 12, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting note from Sloan Sports Conference
regarding Mavs loss to GS in round 1. Avery had actually bought in to Cuban’s love affair with the developing sabremetrics of hoops and decided to go with the numbers and try and play small ball. Didn’t, obviously, work out out so well.
Baseball announcer utters expletive on TV broadcast to describe Hideki Irabu’s ineptitude – network gets zero complaints
by TomLovesHideki on Mar 12, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions
Sweet
“Even though I didn’t make a shot in practice and couldn’t see the basket, I’m pretty sure I’ll be back in rare form,‘’ Terry said. "I’m looking at next week. We got two games and one of those two, I’ll definitely be ready to go.’’
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Umm
Najera 19min, Haywood+Damp 21min.
Unless Najera got most of his minutes in garbage time, there’s your problem.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Holy... Crapping... Crap...
Lazy bastards. I can’t believe they didn’t get up to play the Knicks. I think the fans should wear paper bags over their heads for the next home game.
Eh, it was a good run. I really really would like that one seed so they can have the home field the entire playoffs.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
I would too..
…but just so that the Lakers and Nuggets would have to beat on each other for a bit before we played the winner. I don’t really see it happening though.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 16, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be a nice plus.
I think it could happen. Another decent run by the Mavs and a little slip here and there by the Lakers. Long shot, but one I’m rooting my ass off for. Gets me warmed up for the playoffs. Heh.
"grilled cheese punches like a bitch" -Gdawg
"i feel like k-rod after a save." -by reagan on Jan 23, 2010, that glorious day Hicks was out of our lives.
Najera playing in the 4th again
Ridiculous
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
I despise JJ Barea.
There is no good reason why he plays over Roddy.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
And just like that we're staring at the 4 seed again
What the hell happened to this defense?
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Defense wasn't the huge problem in this game.
We have nearly 20 turnovers and our offense is playing like shit. We didn’t score for something like seven minutes.
Yeah they are scoring a lot of points, but a ton of them have come in transition, which is an offensive problem.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 22, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeez
Mo Peterson went off tonight?
Still doesn’t excuse Najera getting serious burn with a healthy Haywood/Damp.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Could not agree more.
Najera is to basketball what Eckstein is to baseball, except with even less talent.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 22, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And we run out Barea and Terry to defend Collison and Paul. Brilliant.
I am Jurickson Profar son of judeska and chesmond.. And I was born ready! ready to play baseball!!- Jurickson Profar 2/15/2010
by Aquaman, Esq. on Mar 22, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Basically what people thought Sene would turn in to.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Did I just hear them say Dirk is in the locker room?
What happened?
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Cool
I thought he was injured.
Nuggets lost so if they hold on, tied for 2nd again. With no Bynum, the West can be had.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Shit, the West is loaded there's really no easy matchups anywhere.
The team that I’d hate to draw the Blazers in the first round. Getting Camby was huge.
I think I’d much rather face the Spurs/Suns, but even they’re dangerous.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Every time Derek Jeter does a jump throw, a terrorist gets AIDS.
by thedirkatron on Mar 24, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't fear the Blazers
Fear the Jazz.
Suns/Thunder/Blazers/Spurs they should have no problem with.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
Westbrook is solid
but I don’t think he’s capable of taking over a series. Durant can, but they’ve held him in check for the most part. That would be the toughest matchup of the 4 but, they should be able to handle them.
We need to not always make hard work out of sex- Rick Carlisle.
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