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Evan Grant's projected Opening Day roster v4.0

Evan Grant has his latest projection of the Rangers' Opening Day roster up, and the big change is that he has Brandon McCarthy dropping out of the starting rotation, being replaced by Matt Harrison

Grant has McCarthy going to the bullpen, and suggests that he could "shadow" Rich Harden, being available on Harden's days to pitch multiple innings.

I am not wild about McCarthy being put in the bullpen...I think if he's not going to be in the rotation, and you don't think you can slip him through revocable waivers, you try to find a deal out there and move him.  He's show himself to be a good, not great, starting pitcher who has issues staying healthy, and while he isn't going to bring back a ton, he's going to have some value, particularly for a team that might be finding itself a starter short because of injuries or whatever reason at the end of spring training.  And given that he relies on good command and throwing multiple pitches for strikes, rather than velocity, I'm not sure how effective he'd be in the bullpen, relative to the other options that are available.

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I doubt

you get more in value for trade for him than you do warehousing him in the bullpen as injury insurance.

I just can’t imagine he has much trade value after his Ranger years.

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by DJCahill on Mar 15, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

think we can get danks back for him?

ask kenny williams for a mulligan?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

If McCarthy pitches

effectively in ST, can someone lay out the argument why he wouldn’t be in the starting rotation? I frankly don’t understand it, assuming there is little chance he’d clear waivers. I think he’d be snatched up in a matter of seconds.

by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Mar 15, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

effectively or overwhelmingly?

if he pitches effectively and Matt Harrison keeps throwing like he is, I don’t see a reason why you would go to battle with a less impressive candidate

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

why he wouldn’t be in the bullpen if he was outpitched in the judgement of the coaches.

It’s not like he is a stranger to the bullpen.

I just haven’t seen McCarthy do anything that makes me think he should be guaranteed a starter’s slot.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Mar 15, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which opinion is more reliable?....

TR’s belief that CJ will claim that 5th spot

or

Evan’s belief, now, that Harrison will claim the 5th spot

by ncrangerfan on Mar 15, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

It really does seem...

like a crapshoot at this point.

I honestly don’t know who is going to end up with that 5th spot in the rotation or the last spot or two in the ’pen.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 15, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wilson

and mainly because I trust TR more on these sorts of things

""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD

by ab03 on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

We signed Matt Purke! Oh wait....

"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.

by Kinslerhomer on Mar 15, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was an issue of ownership and money

this is an issue of player personnel.

And Matt Purke situation should tell you who TR is getting the info from.

""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD

by ab03 on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the idea floating around in my mind.

On these sorts of things I tend to trust the company man more, although I’m really rooting for Harrison.

by ncrangerfan on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

harrison

i thought i read somewhere that JD said CJ had to be one of the top 2 starters in camp to actually “earn” a rotation spot

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup..not surprising ab03 thinks he has the better shot though

It’s actually really hard to picture CJ coming out with that spot, all things considered

by Mike E on Mar 15, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

as much as I hate to admit it

if CJ and Harrison come out in a dead tie, CJ will go back to the pen

and it eases my concerns a little bit seeing Harrison toss some high end heat

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd go with Grant

because I believe CJ will get traded.

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by chrisR on Mar 16, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jeez

I just about crapped myself. I glanced over at the Fanshots on the right and saw “Matt Harrison out for the season” and then noticed it was from 7 months ago. Those things scare me on a regular basis.

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by EssBee on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Do we carry 3 catchers on the roster?

If Hall is ready do you roll with Salty, Hall, and Max?

TT may have the fastest pop time possible but he can’t seem to hit anything.

Is Max just adjusting or is he sucking or both? Would it be worth it to put Brown on the 40 man to have a DH/CIF?

Have I asked too many questions?

It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
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by bioaggie on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

i sure as hell hope not

id rather have TT than hall on MLB team any day…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they'll finally trade Teagarden in a package with McCarthy

and get some worthwhile pieces in return. I’d be fine with Hall as a backup for now, if Max isn’t ready to step up.

I also don’t really want McCarthy in the bullpen, though I’m not sure about Harrison in the pen..and I think both probably make the team. So looks like I’d agree with trading McCarthy as well.

by Mike E on Mar 15, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't combine two shit pieces into one and get something of value

a backup catcher and an oft injured 4th starter shouldn’t really get you anything of value. But JD has pulled off some good trades in the past with similar caliber chips

""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD

by ab03 on Mar 15, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

A Genie's lamp and 3 wishes

"If this video was an ice cream flavor, it'd be pralines and dick." Clark
re: Matthew Wilder-Break My Stride, 4/17/09

by EssBee on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was much more polite than my answer would have been

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 15, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

But

The Genie would require you to use all 3 wishes to get Mauer!!!

"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle

by awillis111 on Mar 15, 2010 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

but

it would be this Joe Mauer

Vladimir Guererro - 2010 AL MVP

by RangerMad on Mar 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

in that case its only 100$!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's kind of creepy

but not as creepy as the swing my parents had in my bedroom with a clown sitting on it…not painted; full sized; scared the SH!T out of me for a few years there

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it a love swing?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 15, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want to give any conjecture

as to how I was conceived

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

our entire top 10?

+ andrus?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

more realistically

some combo of smoak, perez, holland, feliz, andrus, borbon, kinsler?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree that it would be better to trade McCarthy

than put him in the bullpen, which might displace someone like….I don’t know….Nippert? (EG has him displacing Ray but that doesn’t seem right to me.) But as far as what the team needs right now, i don’t think we get it from trading McCarthy. Doesn’t seem like good business to give up a serviceable MLB pitcher for a utility infielder. We’re not gonna get a good catcher for him. If you’re gonna trade him I think you go for prospects and we’re fine on prospects, but i guess you can never have too many.

by jcAustin on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

potentially the same number as rich harden and feldman

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's an excellent idea to move McCarthy

to the pen in a swing role. It’s where he had the most success in The Show.

I also have a lot more faith in McCarthy being effective than Dustin Nip Nip, Weiner.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Wrong

He had his second highest ERA that year he was in the Chicago pen. Only his first season in Texas was it higher.

And what makes you think he will be more effective than Nippert. Nippert threw up a sub 2 ERA last year as a reliever.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

where is BG to defend nippert?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

big guns

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shall we use FBG to refer to you?

I mean, just for distinction…

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 15, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeh I'd love to see Nipsy get a chance in the bully...he did a good job out of there last year

There’s something about 6’8" dudes who can amp it up to 95 mph that I like holding onto. He’s got a good change too and that big loopy curve ain’t bad either. With Brandon McCarthy sadly it’s more about when he’s going to break down, not if. I also think Nipsy is actually capable of putting on weight which should add some mileage on his fastball. We heard all the hoopla about BMac gaining weight last year and he still looked like Ichabod Crane’s skinnier brother.

If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.

by BigGuns on Mar 15, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
There’s something about 6’8" dudes who can amp it up to 95 mph that I like holding onto

I’m right there with you brotha ;)

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

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by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 15, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm on the Nippert bandwagon w/ you BigGuns.

I still like his potential as a future big league starter. Don’t know if it will be here, but he’s got something.

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Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 15, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he will make it as much of a starter

I think hes found his niche as a long man/spot starter with the ability to come into some high leverage situations with that fastball and do well. he can make a nice career for himself if he just excels at that position

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

there IS something there Scoop... not only that...

but I’m getting sick and tired of watching McCarthy…he makes me nervous. Every time he throws a pitch I’m always watching to see if something either snapped, crackled or popped.

If the Rangers don't make the play-offs this year I'm gonna go all Epic Bearded Man on your ass.

by BigGuns on Mar 15, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't McCarthy healthy

in 2005 & 2006?

He doesn’t help you when he has extended stays on the DL (which he has had every year in Texas).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 15, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe he was

One year he was a starter the next a reliever. Whats your point? He was also healthy his entire minor league career where he was strictly a starter.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is that McCarthy seems to have a much

better chance of staying healthy if he doesn’t take the hump 30+ times as a starter in The Show.

This organization needs to realize what McCarthy is and that he will never be the pitcher that John Danks is. It was a really bad trade but McCarthy can still be useful.

Get over it, JD. It’s time to heal.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 15, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you explain his health prior to coming to Texas?

he was never injured then when he was a starter every year except one?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunno, bigsteve.

But I do know his body won’t let him do it now.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

"The Influence continues." Josey Wales (1/18/10)

by Josey Wales on Mar 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

mccarthy v danks 2005-2006

05-06 mccarthy: (age 21-22)
minors- age 21: 19 starts, 119 ip, 3.92 era, 1.14 whip, 2.4 bb/9, 9.8 k/9 (AAA)
majors: 65 games, 12 starts, 13 games finished, 151 IP
4.39 era, 106 era+, 1.24 whip, 3.0 k/0, 6.9 k/9
2005: mccarthy BA #49 prospect
2006: ineligible, based on IP

05-06 danks: (minors – age 20-21)
05: 27 starts, 156 ip, 4.38 ERA, 1.39 whip, 8.0 k/9, 2.9 bb/9 (A+ & AA)
06: 26 starts, 140 ip, 4.24 era, 1.40 whip, 9.9 k/9, 3.6 bb/9 (AA & AAA)
2005: danks BA #59 prospect
2006: danks BA #59 prospect

not sure what i understand your point there was other than the fact that mccarthy > danks by all numbers in 05-06, and had better minor league numbers

mccarthy minor league #s
88 starts, 528 IP, 10.1 k/9, 1.9 bb/9, 1.10 whip, 3.39 era

danks minor league #s:
82 starts, 426 IP, 9.3 k/9, 3.3 bb/9, 1.36 whip, 4.20 era

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nips has MUCH better stuff

which is sad; I disagree with you replacing Nips, but if we keep McCarthy, I think it has to be in the pen

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

id think he would be snapped up in a sec

imagine teams like washington, pitt, etc who could actually use him….

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seattle, Oakland, KC

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just see no chance he gets through waivers honestly

its not like hes eddie G here…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

revocable waivers

so yes, there is a very good chance. Seattle and Oakland, if they wanted to be dicks, might do it. KC? Wash? Pitt? What possible motive would they have for screwing over the Rangers?

""It was a ball, dude," Davis said. "I don’t swing at balls anymore." -CD

by ab03 on Mar 15, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.. they don't have much to lose and would probably be hoping he puts it together

to trade him for more next year. If he can stay healthy, I think he’d put up some decent numbers in the NL and up his value at least.

by Mike E on Mar 15, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Washington has a chance to be pretty good

maybe not quite a playoff team, but more success than we’ve seen

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

*raises eyebrows*

very interesting prediction, sir

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't get me wrong...a lot has to go right for them

but I think between Zimmerman, Dunn, Dukes, Willingham, Nyjer Morgan they’ll have a decent enough offense if all stay healthy and aren’t traded, and the pitching will depend on when Strasburg starts and when Wang returns; Marquis is decent enough, and their pen isn’t awful…

With that said, they have literally 0 % chance at the postseason in that division

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 15, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

They have some nice building blocks though. Lannan and Detwiler to go along with Strasburg and when Jordan Zimmerman returns next year.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

lannan

=veryveryveryvery lucky last year

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but still young

So while I expect regression I also expect progression in other areas which should limit the dropoff in actual results

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

and having morgan in CF all year shouldnt at all hurt either

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with screwing over the Rangers

Its about talent acquisition. I don’t have any list of guys who have gone through this process but I would guess the majority are fringy guys at most anyway. Guys who came up for a little bit one season then had to go back down and spend a year in the minors, etc.

Guys with McCarthys talent level generally are either injured or coming off injury when they have to go through these waivers, coming off a horrible season performance wise where no one will take them, or establish themselves within that three year span and don’t need to go through.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

the talent acquisition was more my point

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You, KoK, & Mike E

aren’t understanding the “revocable” part of the waivers.

If a GM puts in a waiver claim, they are NOT going to get McCarthy. The Rangers revoke the waivers and keep McCarthy.

What the opposing GM has accomplished: He’s forced the Rangers to keep McCarthy on the 25 man roster. Daniel’s has a small roster problem. He isn’t going to just give away McCarthy to avoid the problem. At minimum, he’d revoke the waiver and put McCarthy on the trading block.

There is a gentlemens agreement to not do this (put in a claim). What ab03 is saying is that Oakland or Seattle could do this, just to be dicks. And even that is unlikely. If what we’ve been told is true, no GM ever does this, and you won’t find any player that has ever been claimed in this manner.

If anything, I’d put the odds at 1 in 10000, and it’d be the Angels. Their GM might be pissed that Daniels got Madrigal when the Angel’s failed on their procedural assignments. It would be spiteful, and frowned upon by other GM’s, so I don’t see this as a real possibility.

by Oracle Galvez on Mar 15, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

orig post
McCarthy’s $1.5M salary might help him slide through waivers

.. you could pick up other "flyer" guys for cheaper

nothing about “revocable” waivers.

i think everyone was working off that from the start dude. i feel rather confident that most ppl on LSB (or the 3 pointed out) understand the idea of revocable wavers.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Yes, the original poster didn’t bring up revocable. His premise of the 1.5 being a factor is moot. There is no factor necessary to “help him slide through waivers”. He’s going to slide through without incident.

ab03 brought up revocable (correctly), and bigsteve & Mike E continued to argue the other point (the moot point).

His salary and talent have nothing to do with sliding through waivers. If he’s placed, he’s going to “slide”.

Apologize for including KoK… I saw you’re response under ab03, and lumped you in.

by Oracle Galvez on Mar 15, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad then

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

However

I think this case is a little different, in that:

- McCarthy’s salary, combined with the Rangers’ financial situation, could cause a GM to think that he might get McCarthy if the Rangers decided to let him go for financial relief

- The Rangers roster situation at least might create the belief that the Rangers would actually let him go.

That said, I agree that Daniels would most likely pull him back and try to deal him for a utility infielder or a couple quasi-prospects that didn’t need to go on the 40-man roster.

by Darrell McKown on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ownership issues are done though

If Hicks still owned the team, then maybe there’s potential for the 1.5 million salary to be an issue.

As for point number 2, the Rangers don’t have much of an issue in the roster situation. The problem is that they (presumably) want to go with guys like Hunter, Feliz, and Holland on the ML roster, but they all have options that could send them down to the minors if the Rangers wanted to avoid having to lose/move any players.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 15, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I fully understand the "revocable" part

I understand the entire process of it. I also understand that if we pull him off waivers then we can’t put him through again for a certain amount of time (I believe August but could be wrong).

What happens if he goes out and has a few bad games in a row in May for example and you want to send him down in favor of Harrison or Holland?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

We won't have to pull him off waivers

Because he won’t be claimed.

Why would the GM of the Nationals break the gentlemen’s agreement? He isn’t going to actually acquire talent.

Oakland/Seattle/LAAA could do it, but all it would do is mess with Daniel’s 25 man roster. And the GM’s have established that they don’t do this. Yes, they can, but they don’t. So we don’t have to worry about it.

by Oracle Galvez on Mar 15, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I disagree that he won't be claimed

I think there are half a dozen or so GMs out there who would be stupid to let a talent such as Mccarthy pass through waivers without putting in a claim given what those GMs teams currently look like.

And with the Rangers having so much depth other GMs may feel like theres a good chance we don’t pull him back because we want someone else in that spot.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point Oracle is trying to make though

is that these GMs aren’t getting McCarthy. There is no outcome where they get McCarthy without a trade. Therefore, they aren’t being stupid by making a claim, they just aren’t breaking the gentleman’s agreement and risking the Rangers paying them back for this.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Mar 15, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look

me and my friends have a gentlemens agreement to not hit on each others girlfriend or significant other. But thats all because we all date girls who are nothing special. They are attractive to us but there are tons of other girls out there who we could just as easily go with and it wouldn’t be a noticeable downgrade.

But if a buddy of mine started dating a supermodel you can bet your ass I would hit on her no matter what the chances of me getting with her are. reason being because its a upgrade.

Most guys who go through revocable waivers at the end of spring are JAGs (just a guy). The reason most aren’t claimed is because you can go out and find someone of similar talent level on the open market. Like him or not, McCarthy still has a talent level above most of those types of guys. He could still be a mid rotation pitcher if he stays healthy. A GM would be foolish IMO to not put in a claim and try and upgrade his team just for the sake of some “gentlemens agreement”

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

id be PISSED if i was a nats/pirates fan

and they didnt put in a claim

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Mar 15, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bros before 'hos

Yeah, dickheads say things like that all the time, but it’s pretty damned true.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

by Keynes on Mar 15, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is your buddy Jay Baruchel?

The reason its a gentleman’s agreement is because teams understand the ramifications of being a dick to another team.

Why would you hit on your buddies girlfriend knowing 100% that there is no way you can get with her? All you end up doing is pissing your friend off and now you likely don’t have him as a friend. Same thing here. There is no chance in hell that claiming a player gets you that player. All you’re doing is slightly inconveniencing the other team. What you think of McCarthy is completely irrelevant because YOU AREN’T GOING TO GET HIM!!!! JD isn’t going to put him on waivers, let the fucking Nationals put a claim on him, and then say, “Well, that’s that, looks like there’s nothing we can do about it now. Sucks that there was absolutely no way we couldn’t make sure that we didn’t lose McCarthy for absolutely nothing.”

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 15, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

rules the same?

as the trade deadline? If Team A puts in a claim, are they the only ones who have “negotiation” rights for a trade? I kinda doubt it, but I could see putting in a claim and then negotiating a deal if the procedures are somewhat the same…

by elvis1isking on Mar 15, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think its the same rules as the waiver process we're familiar with post-deadline

But since there is no trade deadline to worry about, there is no exclusive negotiating rights. That’s only the case because its the only way a team can get a player when the trade deadline passes.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 15, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 15, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty...

shitty thing to do do a friend.

So if you your friend had a really hot girl and you saw her but she wasn’t with him at the time would you try to nail her down right then and there?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 15, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

No hold on

I hadn’t read what I wrote until now. I meant ex-girlfriends. None of us will hit on the others ex’s in general. But if my buddy started dating a supermodel and they broke up I would absolutely go after her.

It all sounded correct in my head while I was typing but obviously didn’t come out right. I was wondering what all the asshole comments were about.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey!

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

greatest thing ever

"They’ve taken the Illini to the woodshed."
-Steve Lavin on Mizzou v. Illinois

by Jason Brynsvold on Mar 15, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do our little Rangers play beisbol today?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

tonight

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

fo real?!?!?!?!

Yippee

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 15, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

As if I needed a reason to drink tonite.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: ESPN still won't let me create an account

Keep getting ‘error’, not sure if I’m doing something wrong.

'Waiting for a girl and she gets me into fights
Waiting for a girl we get drunk on Friday night'

by scoop16 on Mar 15, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok. Keep the faith.

Let me see what’s up.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

"Baseball's all that's real" - JB

by Cecilio's Guante on Mar 15, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

you’re doing something wrong.

You’re trying to get an account with ESPN.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 15, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Very rec’able comment you made there…

by bhudson on Mar 15, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Evan Article, Rich Harden tonight.

And I’ll actually be able to participate in the GDT. Sounds good.

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by iorange555 on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Question on Harrison

How has he out-pitched everyone else as Grant suggested? His fastball velocity was 95, but those were only early in the game, and dropped to the normal 89-93 as game went on. His command still looks spotty. Is it that his cutter or secondary pitches improved a lot? Is he sporting a new hairstyle? Did we get any specific scouting report on specifically how he has improved?

by Telegraph on Mar 15, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

x
Is he sporting a new hairstyle?

I think that actually would be something to crow about. It certainly wouldn’t be the easiest task for him.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

KLaw on Holland and others
Texas starter Derek Holland, fighting for a spot in the Rangers’ rotation, spent much of his outing on Sunday against the Dodgers working on his curve and especially his slider, using the latter in changeup counts even though he has an above-average change. Holland worked at 90-92, touching 93 once, and was generally around the plate, with some tail — reminding me of that old baseball saw about left-handers having natural movement on their fastballs. He also had good depth on his curveball. His slider was less consistent, probably an average pitch on balance, with some showing good tilt and others tending to flatten out a little.

He’s going to have to continue throwing it in games often for it to improve, as it looks like he is still improving his feel for the pitch, but by mid-season he could be a four-pitch lefty with good command and no pitch worse than average if that feel for the slider comes.

• Rangers right-hander Alexi Ogando had the same velocity he had when I saw him last week, but didn’t have much feel for either breaking ball and wasn’t commanding his fastball either. Another right-hander, Pedro Strop, showed a very straight 88-93 mph fastball and a slurvy breaking ball with a max-effort delivery and, shockingly, below-average command.

• Texas lefty Mike Kirkman threw about a half-dozen pitches before leaving when a comebacker nicked the side of his face — he’s OK! — but I did like the little I saw, fastball 89-93, hard-breaking curve at 78-81, with one changeup mixed in. He even threw the curve at a right-handed hitter’s back foot for a strikeout just before he exited the game. Kirkman and Withrow are two of the few pitchers in pro ball who developed “the thing” (the one where you can’t throw a strike in a game if your life depended on it, also called “the yips” or “Steve Blass Disease”) and recovered from it to have anything approaching normal control.

• Chris Davis showed a good approach in his first two at-bats on Sunday, staying back on balls away instead of trying to pull everything and finishing with a couple of hits for his efforts. Justin Smoak is right behind him, but Texas doesn’t seem inclined to rush Smoak, especially since he’s been slowed by a minor hip flexor injury this month.

by octoberty on Mar 15, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks

since its behind the pay wall :(

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dutch!

Our lil’ lefty appears to be growing up, right before our eyes.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Mar 15, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

What kind of value in the trade market does McCarthy have?

If you honestly believe Holland, Harrison and Wilson are all better, shouldn’t you trade him? Its not like they lack options for starter spots. If he can be turned into a couple of Low A/High A position prospects that don’t need to be on the 40 for two or more years then isn’t that a good thing for the club?

Clogging up the 5th starter spot on a guy who can’t stay healthy and isn’t the best option anyway is self defeating is it not?

by Hull Fan on Mar 15, 2010 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

If you have depth

Then it really doesn’t matter how injury prone your 5th guy is. Especially when the other options could probably use more AAA time and haven’t had near the success McCarthy has at the ML level.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

If a team viewed him as a rotation option and was willing to deal something decent for him... sure.

Most likely though I’d think you’d want to run him out there for a month or two while Der-Hol or Harrison or Hunter worked on shit in AAA (most likely Der-Hol).

If McCarthy bombs, he’d be easier to slip through waivers to AAA.

If he does anything resembling a decent job, then maybe you’d be able to use that to turn him into something half-decent via trade.

Right now I doubt you’re gonna find a team willing to give ya anything for him.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt McCarthy gets traded

The Rangers have assembled pitching depth for a reason. If they can’t get McCarthy through waivers, there is still room to keep all these guys here, even if CJ is put in the rotation. You’d be looking at a rotation of:
Harden/Feldman/Lewis/Hunter/CJ

with a bullpen of:
FX2/Ray/Nippert/McCarthy/O’Day/Oliver and a last spot possibly going to Snyder or one of a few other decent arms

That leaves you with one hell of a AAA and AA rotation to back up the potential injury/stamina issues of the ML rotation with some great options to fill in any possible hole the ML pitching staff has. That might not be the most effective rotation they can have out there opening day, but there is no Kris Benson/Jason Jennings type taking up a spot and leaves you with 5 guys who all have the potential to have good-great 2010s and a bullpen that won’t have a problem with pitching too many innings in case things go wrong.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Mar 15, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I like this idea.
Grant has McCarthy going to the bullpen, and suggests that he could “shadow” Rich Harden, being available on Harden’s days to pitch multiple innings.

It’s not traditional or anything, but you have two guys with injury concerns, have them share games. I’m having trouble finding, outside of McCarthy’s feelings, the actual problem if he’s getting 3-4 innings every 5th day.

by philkid3 on Mar 15, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it would be hard to do

What happens if Harden leaves a game after 5 innings with a 1 run lead? Do you go with McCarthy for 3-4 innings or do you try and close the game out going Oliver/Feliz/Wilson/Frankie 6,7,8,9? Then to make up for not using McCarthy on Hardens day you use him the next day or a couple days later and then hes not available if Harden has to miss a start

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Mar 15, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah cause thats the same

Lose a lead early and you have 7+ innings to make it up

Lose a lead late and you have limited chances and you are usually going against the best the other team has to throw at you.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Mar 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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